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6/21/09
NASCAR Sprint Cup Series: Toyota Save Mart 350 Live Thread
Right Turns and Ringers and Hills, OH MY! [Cup Series Live Thread]

It's always go straight, turn left, and don't hit the wall in NASCAR...but not this week.  Today, it's turn left, turn right, go up the hill, go back down, keep the car on the course.  The Cup boys head to wine country for 350 miles on the road course in Sonoma, California.  Formerly known as Sears Point, now Infineon Raceway, this track has changed drastically since it first opened 20 years ago.

The track used to be larger for the Cup Series, used to have a carousel in the middle of the course, but no more.  This track has seen some interesting finishes.  Ricky Rudd won the inaugural race here back in 1989, and was the victim of the infamous "screw job" in 1991 when Davey Allison was awarded the victory.  Dale Earnhardt won for the first and only time on a road course here in 1995.  2 years ago, Juan Montoya became the first first-time winner at Sonoma.  Road course sweeps have occurred pretty often as well, Kyle Busch last year was the most recent, Tony Stewart has done it, Jeff and Robby Gordon.

There's also the road course ringers, drivers who are road course specialists who only run a few races each year, notably here and Watkins Glen.  The 2 biggest names are Boris Said and Ron Fellows, who have had career best finishes in the Cup Series of 3rd and 2nd respectively.  P.J. Jones, Patrick Carpentier, and we'll throw Brandon Ash in there as well.  It's been a long time since a ringer has won a road race though, and I don't expect that to change today.

Other drivers who are good road racers who are full-time drivers in the Cup Series include Jeff Gordon, Tony Stewart, Kyle Busch, Robby Gordon, Kevin Harvick, Mark Martin, and Marcos Ambrose among others.  I know someone will try to mention Sam Hornish Jr., but when he was in the IRL, the road courses were his downfall.  So with all this in mind, who the heck is winning this thing?

My Pick: Tony Stewart - Smoke and Jeff Gordon have a combined 15 road course victories.  They're always 2 of the favorites when it comes to Sonoma and Watkins Glen.  Smoke starts 4th, and providing no mechanical problems with the car, expect to see him towards the front most of this race.  He'll start right next to my dark horse.

Dark Horse: Marcos Ambrose - Ambrose had a little hiccup in practice yesterday, but the car isn't too bad and he should be fine.  Last year, he won the Nationwide race at Watkins Glen, and the next day came from dead last to finish 3rd in the Cup race.  That's where he rolls off today, and he's one to keep your eye on in this one.

This is your official open race thread to discuss the happenings before, during, and after the race.

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6/21/09
4
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
Afternoon gentlemen, and Happy Father's Day if it applies!!

I am taking JPM, with Robby Gordon as my dark horse


It's a shame Brian Simo didnt get in he's fun to watch. I dont look for too much out of the "ringers",but the Said Heads are out in full force ..I am also thinking Ambrose and Reutimann will run real well today!!

6/21/09
2
I always like to watch the road course "ringers" Boris and Fellows are two talented drivers who have probably earned a nascar ride but the breaks just haven't fallen right for them....LET'S GO RACING......

6/21/09
1
I'm going with JPM to win the race and Jamie McMurray as my darkhorse.  Ambrose will probably have a good finish, but its considerably easier to come from the back at Watkins Glen than it is here at Infineon.

6/21/09
1
hay kids there's big ben............. parliament. unbelievable in can't get right! clark griswald 

6/21/09
4
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
Afternoon gentlemen, and Happy Father's Day if it applies!!

I am taking JPM, with Robby Gordon as my dark horse


It's a shame Brian Simo didnt get in he's fun to watch. I dont look for too much out of the "ringers",but the Said Heads are out in full force ..I am also thinking Ambrose and Reutimann will run real well today!!

6/21/09
1
I went with Kyle to win his third straight....Marcos will have his work cut out for him coming from the back of the pack. He needs a good finish to get back in the hunt for the chase so he should be fun to watch......

6/21/09
1
man Ken Stabler sure looks rough....LOL

6/21/09
1
LOL @ JPM...I can understand him until he gets excited and then it's all over

Great race start!!

6/21/09
1
Cant get used to Truex in a blue car

6/21/09
0
AndiLee0388 wrote:
Cant get used to Truex in a blue car
Rumor is that he's going to be in the #55 next year, so he's just helping his fans get used to the color blue.

6/21/09
0
Yah I heard that also..TEI all but gone now

6/21/09
0
early strategy for Marcos.....interesting......

6/21/09
3
This pit sequence is either going to make Ambrose's guys look like geniuses or idiots.

6/21/09
0
Hey Darren... how are ya this Father's Day??

6/21/09
1
I dunno , it just seems kinda boring to me, but at least Junyah made it in his pits...LOL

6/21/09
1
WOOHOOO Robby in 9th!!

6/21/09
3
Interesting pit strategies from the teams.  I guess thats why they're the experts.

6/21/09
0
Long way to pit for the Shrub

6/21/09
2
what was Kyle's front tire changer thinking? reaching in the tire well like that when they were ready to leave the pit?????

6/21/09
0
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
KK dropped the hammer, and stalled..LOL

6/21/09
0
I musta missed something..How did RG get all the way back to 28th????

6/21/09
1
AndiLee0388 wrote:
I musta missed something..How did RG get all the way back to 28th????

missed that myself.....lots of different strategys.....the order is all messed up.....


6/21/09
1
Lotta screw ups on pit road today!

6/21/09
0
WOW.....you don't see ads for the Bristol night race tickets very often.....i wish i lived closer.....

6/21/09
2
ROTFLMAO......OMG dont get everyone started again..that thread is still going...LOL

Lookit Junyah amazing what happens when you start actually listening to your CC

6/21/09
0
WOOHOOOOO GO GET EM ROBBY!!!

6/21/09
2
Robbie just can't catch a break.....

6/21/09
1
Dammit Robby is pissed....screwed by the caution

6/21/09
2
LOL....bumper cars all over the track......

6/21/09
0
Kasey is doing us proud.....came up through the local dirt track in a sprinter.....

6/21/09
2
Hornish did the same damn thing twice....WTF?

6/21/09
3
I'm way behind in this race .. time wise.  But I'm enjoying it a little.

6/21/09
0
RUT RIH...DBL FILE gonna get them..LOL

6/21/09
3
Suhweet move JPM

6/21/09
3
the 48 taps the 2, no Miller Lite for you.

6/21/09
2
Well Shrub screwed me on my yahoo group, but hopefully KK, JPM and Ambrose will save me..LOL

6/21/09
3
Man, JPM is racing hard.  So much for the Chase racing I guess.

6/21/09
2
JPM wants it bad!!

6/21/09
1
these guys are all working their butts off right now.....

6/21/09
3
If there is another caution, Ambrose just may win this.  Good call, Bryan... and caution.

6/21/09
0
LMAO..Poor KK...ya know he is hating this caution

6/21/09
2
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
This next restart is gonna be wicked

6/21/09
1
JPM and Stewie racing for the WIN!!!!!!

6/21/09
2
And Smoke loves JPM so much...LOL

6/21/09
2
Shrub is NOT having a good day!

6/21/09
1
Kyle again.....

6/21/09
2
F BOMBS FLYIN ON THE 88 SCANNER..LOL

6/21/09
2
Kyle sitting and waiting for death!!!

6/21/09
3
Rough finish for Jr and Ragan... both of them needed good finishes.

6/21/09
0
Ragan and Junior go round and round coutesy of the 99.

6/21/09
4
Junior may not get the result today but he is showing improvement every week under the new crew chief.....

6/21/09
2
I agree TJ...and the talk is definitely showing that as well....Much better communication!!

6/21/09
4
Junior was having a great run. AFLAC!!!!!!!!!

6/21/09
1
Wow.  I'd rather be in 4th place than 3rd right now.  This will be fun.  I just can't see Kasey pulling this off.

6/21/09
1
I think Smoke might have something for him, but I want KK..need the fantasy points..LOL

6/21/09
0

what is there to stop Kasey from jumping the start so bad that they throw the yellow and the checker? they  only give them one chance to get it right......


6/21/09
2
Toejam wrote:

what is there to stop Kasey from jumping the start so bad that they throw the yellow and the checker? they  only give them one chance to get it right......

I'm guessing they would punish him and put him at the tail end of the lead up.

6/21/09
3
oh no Robbie.....

6/21/09
3
(Edited by AndiLee0388)
TOUGH Break for RG...damn he cant win for losing

6/21/09
3
Way to go Kasey,,,,,,

6/21/09
4
Never thought I'd see Kasey Kahne not only win, but earn, a road win.

6/21/09
2
I switched Marcos for Robbie when Marcos had to start at the back......dam

6/21/09
3
Not a bad race for a road course!! Congrats to KK!!

Have a nice night gentlemen!!

6/21/09
2
Toejam wrote:
I switched Marcos for Robbie when Marcos had to start at the back......dam
LOL..I had Robby on top and switched to Marcos..Thank Sr..LOL

6/21/09
3
Man Kyle Busch actually got back to 22nd, That is really hard to believe.

6/21/09
3
Congrats Kahne

6/21/09
2
Great win for Kasey and the King.

6/21/09
4
So freaking awesome seeing the King in VL....and a 2nd place finish for Smoke....Life is good!

6/21/09
1
ILoveSmoke wrote:
So freaking awesome seeing the King in VL....and a 2nd place finish for Smoke....Life is good!

Stewie is always hot in the Summer months. He should have a good run to his 3rd Title.


6/21/09
2
18packabs wrote:

Stewie is always hot in the Summer months. He should have a good run to his 3rd Title.

From you fingers to the Racing Gods Ears.....he is definitely on a roll!!!

6/21/09
4
Ok this totally made my day!!!!!

6/21/09
0
Toejam wrote:
what was Kyle's front tire changer thinking? reaching in the tire well like that when they were ready to leave the pit?????
thats thier job!

6/21/09
0
HeatherJoy777 wrote:
Ok this totally made my day!!!!!
most congrats to the # 9 fan for the day

6/21/09
1
smoke was on the top of his game today , but , Kasey was bad to the bone on restart

6/21/09
4
It was cool seeing the King back in Victory Lane. It had been such a long time he probably forgot where to go to celebrate a win. I was pulling for Ambrose all day though.

 
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