NCAA Football Week 13 Early Live Thread

Help Us, Florida State, You Are Our Only Hope! [NCAA Football Live Thread]

11/28/09 in NCAAF   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

I've made no secret of my desire to see the BCS tossed on its head with some untimely losses to the top undefeated teams. However, as the season winds down, it's looking less and less likely by the day. Our only hope is that today, Florida State can somehow beat Florida. And let's face it... that's not going to happen. But hey... I can dream, can't I? Here's today's schedule:

12:00
#24 North Carolina vs NC State [ESPN2]
#18 Clemson vs South Carolina [ESPN]

12:21
#25 Mississippi vs Mississippi State

12:30
#12 Oklahoma State vs Oklahoma

1:00
New Mexico vs #4 TCU

3:30
Arizona vs Arizona State [ABC]
#17 Miami vs South Florida [ABC]
#14 Virginia Tech vs Virginia [ABC]
Missouri vs Kansas [ABC]
Florida State vs #1 Florida [CBS]

5:00
#21 Utah vs #19 BYU


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11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

TurkogluForMVP wrote:
that doesnt even look like him.

Yeah still it ain't bad for some drunk Frat boys though, but you have to admit it is funny!

11/30/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

that doesnt even look like him.

11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

11/30/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

TurkogluForMVP wrote:


here you go lol

ROTFLMAO!!!!!! Holy sh!t that is funny!

11/30/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect



here you go lol

11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Hey Turk I saw this and thought of you don't be mad please I thought it was fuuny.

11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Pat wrote:
I'm not calling anyone anything. I'm merely saying that refusing to criticize your team or your conference is not what makes someone a true fan.

As you can see in my post I do that. Is the conference as dominated as it has been in recent years NO but like I said overall year in and year out the SEC is at are near the top. Even if and that is a big if the SEC loses the Title game that would be four straight appearances with 3 wins and an overall record of 5-1 that's still pretty damn impressive dont you think.

11/30/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
You keep calling me a blind homer but you and no one else has put up any numbers to prove me wrong. Like I said are we always the best NO is Florida always the best NO should they be ranked #1 NO I am not blind, but in they overall scheme of things the SEC is the BEST period!!

I said what i said to Turk just to get his goat and it work. He is very intelligent and passionate VOL fan and I enjoy our rivalry I hope he does not take it to seriously. The VOLs have shown some real promise and should be back among the elite soon and when they are all that will do is make the SEC that much better and I for one am looking forward to that day.

I'm not calling anyone anything. I'm merely saying that refusing to criticize your team or your conference is not what makes someone a true fan.

11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

TurkogluForMVP wrote:
Congrats you can spend 40 minutes looking up numbers after you made a questionable comment about me being mad about being at the bottom of the SEC when UT is actually 2nd. You think i'm bitter? You are obsessed with the idea of "gator haters" And need to get away from your victim mentality. UT has been down in recent years yeah i know i get it i have for years but im not going to sit there and claim the dominance of the SEC when the Big 12 and Pac 10 have beaten or run along with the teams UF and Bama people are bragging about beating. Again the SEC beat two top teams from a mediocre conference in the ACC thats nothing to boast about. Texas, TCU and Cinncy have better wins and deserve to sit in the top 1-3 for their accomplishments. If it was just Bama that was being attacked you wouldnt give a rats ass so be gone with you. With all due respect Bigtone I must say THIS year the SEC isnt dominant but within the pack. Not a clear favorite. I do believe over the last few years the SEC has been the most talented and I do believe this is just a down year for the SEC. The conference will be back on top in a clear fashion soon but not this year

Calm down buddy I was just ribbing you WOW. Read the post above yours and you will see I am not as bind as you think. I don't think Florida should be #1 top 5 yes Bama the same for that matter. You could make a case for the SEC, PAC 10, and BIG 12 as the top conferences this year. When I say the SEC is the best it dose not necessarily mean this year or every year it means year in and year out we are at or near the top and no other conference can say that.

11/30/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
I know exactly where they are right behind the Gators were they belong 4-4 in the conference and tied at 7-5 with three other teams but you do hold the tie breaker on them so technically you are 2nd with losses to Florida, Bama, Auburn, and Ole Miss and wins against UK, UGA, USC, and Vandy anything else you want to know.

 Since 2005 UT has the fifth best record in the SEC at 20-20 (SEC games only) behind LSU and UGA at 26-14 then Bama at 25-13 and of corse the Gators at the top with a 32-8 record in the SEC. Although UT is a the top of the 20 or more loss group they are clearly no longer one of the elite SEC teams. I will also point out that they are only 2 games ahead of South Carolina and 3 ahead of Arkansas.
(Edited by TurkogluForMVP)

Congrats you can spend 40 minutes looking up numbers after you made a questionable comment about me being mad about being at the bottom of the SEC when UT is actually 2nd. You think i'm bitter? You are obsessed with the idea of "gator haters" And need to get away from your victim mentality. UT has been down in recent years yeah i know i get it i have for years but im not going to sit there and claim the dominance of the SEC when the Big 12 and Pac 10 have beaten or run along with the teams UF and Bama people are bragging about beating. Again the SEC beat two top teams from a mediocre conference in the ACC thats nothing to boast about. Texas, TCU and Cinncy have better wins and deserve to sit in the top 1-3 for their accomplishments. If it was just Bama that was being attacked you wouldnt give a rats ass so be gone with you. With all due respect Bigtone I must say THIS year the SEC isnt dominant but within the pack. Not a clear favorite. I do believe over the last few years the SEC has been the most talented and I do believe this is just a down year for the SEC. The conference will be back on top in a clear fashion soon but not this year

11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Pat wrote:
True fans of any team, conference or sport are the ones who are able to put their bias to the side and acknowledge what is true and right. You are confusing "true fan" with "blind homer".
(Edited by BigTone2475)

You keep calling me a blind homer but you and no one else has put up any numbers to prove me wrong. Like I said are we always the best NO is Florida always the best NO should they be ranked #1 NO I am not blind, but in they overall scheme of things the SEC is the BEST period!!

I said what i said to Turk just to get his goat and it work. He is very intelligent and passionate VOL fan and I enjoy our rivalry I hope he does not take it to seriously. The VOLs have shown some real promise and should be back among the elite soon and when they are all that will do is make the SEC that much better and I for one am looking forward to that day.

11/30/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

TurkogluForMVP wrote:
tennessee is 2nd in the east moron. i suggest you know your facts before spewing the filth that usually comes onto this website under your name.

I know exactly where they are right behind the Gators were they belong 4-4 in the conference and tied at 7-5 with three other teams but you do hold the tie breaker on them so technically you are 2nd with losses to Florida, Bama, Auburn, and Ole Miss and wins against UK, UGA, USC, and Vandy anything else you want to know.

 Since 2005 UT has the fifth best record in the SEC at 20-20 (SEC games only) behind LSU and UGA at 26-14 then Bama at 25-13 and of corse the Gators at the top with a 32-8 record in the SEC. Although UT is a the top of the 20 or more loss group they are clearly no longer one of the elite SEC teams. I will also point out that they are only 2 games ahead of South Carolina and 3 ahead of Arkansas.

11/30/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
I would call you not a true SEC fan for what you just said. You are just pissed that you are at the bottom of the SEC now instead of at the top or in the middle. The SEC will have it's 4th BCS championship in a row and if I am wrong I will be the first to come in here and ask for my crow but I will not have too IMHO.

True fans of any team, conference or sport are the ones who are able to put their bias to the side and acknowledge what is true and right. You are confusing "true fan" with "blind homer".

11/30/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
I would call you not a true SEC fan for what you just said. You are just pissed that you are at the bottom of the SEC now instead of at the top or in the middle. The SEC will have it's 4th BCS championship in a row and if I am wrong I will be the first to come in here and ask for my crow but I will not have too IMHO.

tennessee is 2nd in the east moron. i suggest you know your facts before spewing the filth that usually comes onto this website under your name.

11/29/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
So "true" SEC fans have to say that the SEC is the best, no questions asked, ever, and not have their own opinion on the matter?

Am I glad I only lived in the SEC area for a year..

I did not say that but for him to say we are mediocre is ridiculous are we the best every year no are we among the top 2 or 3 every year yes and since we are the only one who can say that then yes overall we are the BEST show me some numbers to prove me wrong. I have been following his post for a long time and IMHO he is just very bitter about being a whipping boy and not an SEC elite anymore but I will say that 9 times out of 10 they would beat any mid level team from any other conference and probably beat some of the elite teams in some conferences but that is my opinion

11/29/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
I would call you not a true SEC fan for what you just said. You are just pissed that you are at the bottom of the SEC now instead of at the top or in the middle. The SEC will have it's 4th BCS championship in a row and if I am wrong I will be the first to come in here and ask for my crow but I will not have too IMHO.

So "true" SEC fans have to say that the SEC is the best, no questions asked, ever, and not have their own opinion on the matter?

Am I glad I only lived in the SEC area for a year..

11/29/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

TurkogluForMVP wrote:
as an SEC fan i would have to say using the toughest conference thing is garbage this year... the SEC isnt the most dominant conference and congrats to us on beating the top teams of a mediocre conference "whoooooo" i dont think bama or uf should be number 1 and 2 because of the numbers regarding who played people and who didnt. Texas will beat who ever goes to the NC anyways IMO. shame TCU, Cinn or Boise St wont get a chance (though i dont think Boise can win it.)

I would call you not a true SEC fan for what you just said. You are just pissed that you are at the bottom of the SEC now instead of at the top or in the middle. The SEC will have it's 4th BCS championship in a row and if I am wrong I will be the first to come in here and ask for my crow but I will not have too IMHO.

11/29/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

as an SEC fan i would have to say using the toughest conference thing is garbage this year... the SEC isnt the most dominant conference and congrats to us on beating the top teams of a mediocre conference "whoooooo" i dont think bama or uf should be number 1 and 2 because of the numbers regarding who played people and who didnt. Texas will beat who ever goes to the NC anyways IMO. shame TCU, Cinn or Boise St wont get a chance (though i dont think Boise can win it.)

11/29/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Over a BCS conference no but a non-BCS conference absolutely they should there is a reason those conferences are not part of the BCS and that is because they are a joke and filled with what you people call cupcakes. Just because they are in there conference should not be a free pass to play them and let them in over a team that plays in a much more competitive conference regardless if it is the SEC,ACC or any BCS conference.

11/29/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
I told you Pat you can show me better then you can tell me. I gave you some numbers where are yours I know you got them now ante up, Besides when we do play the BCS teams we win 90% of the time I know that is not perfect but hey you can't win them all.

We are not the only team or conference that plays 1-AA teams so you can put that argument to rest. Should BCS teams play them hell no but you and I have no control over that.

I don't care enough to do the legwork this time. The bottom line is that I don't believe a conference should just arbitrarily get the nod over another. Each team should be judged on their OWN merits. And as you previously admitted, Florida isn't really as deserving as some people would like us to believe.

11/29/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Pat wrote:
Actually, it would be 14 BCS and 18 non-BCS. I left out several non-BCS conferences for emphasis. They played more games against 2 non-BCS conferences ALONE than they did against all BCS conferences until today.

And does that include games against 1-AA teams, whatever they're called now? That's gotta be at least 10 more games between all the SEC teams, right?

I told you Pat you can show me better then you can tell me. I gave you some numbers where are yours I know you got them now ante up, Besides when we do play the BCS teams we win 90% of the time I know that is not perfect but hey you can't win them all.

We are not the only team or conference that plays 1-AA teams so you can put that argument to rest. Should BCS teams play them hell no but you and I have no control over that.

11/29/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Now you are just being picky but show me a conference that has a better one and I will concede maybe!!

Oh and with the 3 games today that would be 14 BCS teams and 12 non-BCS

Actually, it would be 14 BCS and 18 non-BCS. I left out several non-BCS conferences for emphasis. They played more games against 2 non-BCS conferences ALONE than they did against all BCS conferences until today.

And does that include games against 1-AA teams, whatever they're called now? That's gotta be at least 10 more games between all the SEC teams, right?

11/29/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Pat wrote:
So... when SEC teams schedule non-conference cupcakes, it's ok because they have the toughest conference... but when they beat up on said cupcakes, they're supposed to be praised for their great non-con records?

11 games against other BCS conferences, and 12 against the MAC and the Sun Belt alone? Yeah... totally impressive. I'm shocked that so many of them are bowl eligible. Shocked.
(Edited by BigTone2475)

Now you are just being picky but show me a conference that has a better one and I will concede maybe!!

Oh and with the 3 games today that would be 14 BCS teams and 12 non-BCS

11/29/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:

Your right Pat I don't deny that The only reason they are rank #1 is because they were #1 and the start any Florida fan that thinks other wise is kidding them selves. They are however at least one of the top 5 or 6 and if and I do say if they beat Bamma because that will be a battle for the ages they will be and would be in the Championship game even if they were not rank #1.

An as far as the SEC goes I copied this from someone else's post in a poll basically because I am lazy and don't want to do the work myself.LOL this is as of 9 days ago so this weekends games are not in there but here you go.

This is what the SEC has done THIS season: 

SEC VS Other Conf
                        W    L      
BIG10              0    0
MWC                0    0
BIG12              1    1
ACC                 2    2
PAC10             2    1
BIG EAST        2    0
WAC                2    0
CUSA              3    1
MAC                 4    0
SUN BELT      8    0
 

Bowl eligible teams so far:
SEC                  9 of 12       (If Tenn beats Vandy or Kentucky, it will be 10)
BIG 10              7 of 11
PAC10              6 of 10
BIG12               7 of 12
ACC                  6 of 12
BIG EAST         4 of 8
MWC                 4 of 9
WAC                  4 of 9
CUSA                5 of 12
SUN BELT        3 of 9
MAC                   4 of 13 
* No conference has a chance to have a higher pct of its teams going to a bowl

 
Non-Conference W-L Records
SEC               37-6     .860
BIG EAST      31-7     .816 
BIG10            31-10   .756
PAC10           20-9     .690
ACC               29-15   .659
MWC              21-15   .583
WAC              17-19    .472
CUSA            19-29    .396
MAC               16-36    .308
SUN BELT     8-25     .242

OK...THIS YEAR, the SEC has the #1 and #2 teams in the nation, they have the most bowl teams, the best non-conference W-L pct, and no conference has a winning record against them head-to-head. 

Oh and not to mention the SEC is 3-0 against the ACC today and two of those teams will be playing in the ACC championship game next Saturday just thought I would throw that out there.

11/29/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

So... when SEC teams schedule non-conference cupcakes, it's ok because they have the toughest conference... but when they beat up on said cupcakes, they're supposed to be praised for their great non-con records?

11 games against other BCS conferences, and 12 against the MAC and the Sun Belt alone? Yeah... totally impressive. I'm shocked that so many of them are bowl eligible. Shocked.

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Pat wrote:
  • Defending champs - In a system where approximately 1/4 of your roster changes significantly every year, that's irrelevant.
  • Winning streak - Last year, Utah had the longest winning streak, so that's also irrelevant. If it didn't matter last year, why should it matter this year?
  • Best defense - No, not necessarily. They have played in the SEC, where there are really no good offenses. How can theysay they're the best defense if they haven't played anyone with an elite offense?
  • 10th best scoring offense - That's not #1, so again... irrelevant.
  • Toughest conference - We don't know that, since we haven't seen enough games between conferences. As far as I've seen, Florida and Alabama are both very good, but that's it. There's no reason to believe that the rest of the conference is anything impressive.
  • 8 Bowl-bound teams - That's a completely useless figure. Any team can schedule their way into bowl eligibility. We all know that. There are some very bad teams out there who will be making bowl appearances.
  • Ranked #1 by writers and coaches - Nice circular logic here, but if someone asks you to justify a team being ranked #1, it's poor form to say "because they're ranked #1". That just doesn't work.
Here are some reasons why other teams could be ranked ahead of them. I'll even be nice, and conveniently ignore the fact that Florida should have 2 losses, if SEC officials weren't such nuthuggers for the favorites all the time.

TCU and Cincinnati are also both undefeated, and they have beaten more ranked teams than Florida. TCU has also won 7 straight games by 27 or more. Texas has arguably the best offense in the country, and they have also beaten 8 bowl eligible teams. Boise State is also undefeated, and they're the winningest team in the country in this decade.

Based on strength of schedule and quality of wins THIS SEASON, there is no way you can really say that Florida deserves the #1 by default, which is basically what they've been awarded throughout the season.

Your right Pat I don't deny that The only reason they are rank #1 is because they were #1 and the start any Florida fan that thinks other wise is kidding them selves. They are however at least one of the top 5 or 6 and if and I do say if they beat Bamma because that will be a battle for the ages they will be and would be in the Championship game even if they were not rank #1.

An as far as the SEC goes I copied this from someone else's post in a poll basically because I am lazy and don't want to do the work myself.LOL this is as of 9 days ago so this weekends games are not in there but here you go.

This is what the SEC has done THIS season: 

SEC VS Other Conf
                        W    L      
BIG10              0    0
MWC                0    0
BIG12              1    1
ACC                 2    2
PAC10             2    1
BIG EAST        2    0
WAC                2    0
CUSA              3    1
MAC                 4    0
SUN BELT      8    0
 

Bowl eligible teams so far:
SEC                  9 of 12       (If Tenn beats Vandy or Kentucky, it will be 10)
BIG 10              7 of 11
PAC10              6 of 10
BIG12               7 of 12
ACC                  6 of 12
BIG EAST         4 of 8
MWC                 4 of 9
WAC                  4 of 9
CUSA                5 of 12
SUN BELT        3 of 9
MAC                   4 of 13 
* No conference has a chance to have a higher pct of its teams going to a bowl

 
Non-Conference W-L Records
SEC               37-6     .860
BIG EAST      31-7     .816 
BIG10            31-10   .756
PAC10           20-9     .690
ACC               29-15   .659
MWC              21-15   .583
WAC              17-19    .472
CUSA            19-29    .396
MAC               16-36    .308
SUN BELT     8-25     .242

OK...THIS YEAR, the SEC has the #1 and #2 teams in the nation, they have the most bowl teams, the best non-conference W-L pct, and no conference has a winning record against them head-to-head. 

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
 I was asking for someone to make a case for another team being ranked ahead of Florida....
All you did was state your opinion of my post. Where's your case for another team?

My standings right now (not including the conference championship games) would be like this:

1. Texas
2. TCU
3. Cincinnati
4. Florida
5. Boise State

Texas; with wins over TTU and Kansas at home - averaged 20.5 margin of victory. Away wins at Mizzou, #14 Oklahoma St., and A&M with average 23.6 margin of victory. Then the RRR vs. #20 Oklahoma (take into account Bradford being lost again early in that game) 16-13. They've shown how to win in defensive driven games, or "SEC-type" as many in your area like to call them. They can win games with their Heisman hopeful Colt McCoy controlling the opposing defenses and put up 41+ points, like they've done in 8 of their 12 games this season.

TCU goes #2 because of their dominance over any team they can face. Wins over #16 BYU (at BYU) and #16 Utah (at home) by the scores of 38-7 and 55-28. Winning your 12 games by an average of 31.2 margin is tremendously impressive no matter the competition, which by the way, hasn't been much tougher than the bottom end of the SEC this year. Total offense ranked 5th in NCAAF, total defense ranked 3rd. Points scored in NCAAF ranked 5th, along with Points allowed 6th.

Cincinnati 3rd with away wins @ Rutgers, Oregon State, and #21 South Florida with an average margin of victory of 19.7 points per game. Home wins against Fresno St., UConn, Illinois, and #25 WVU by an average MOV of 7 points per game. Heisman hopeful Tony Pike, who was out for 3.5 games, still has 2,000+ yards along with 23 TD's, while his Sophomore replacement Zach Collaros came in and threw for 1,400+ yards and 10 TD's whose only played in the majority of four games. Total offense 4th, defense 49th. Points scored 6th, points allowed 19th.

That's who I have in front of Florida, and Boise St. isn't far behind (again, at this point) that SEC Championship game is a big difference-maker, along with the Big XII Championship game, and until those games happen, will I change my opinion of who #1 is.

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
Here's the case for Florida being ranked #1:
Aren't they the defending national champions?
Don't they have the longest winning streak?
Don't they have the best overall defense and the 10th best scoring offense?
Don't they play in the toughest conference?
Haven't they beaten 8 bowl bound teams?
Aren't they ranked #1 by the sports writers and the coaches? (who may not know as much about football as some of you, but they try)

Now, please make a case for another team being ranked ahead of Florida.

I would love to see a playoff system instituted to stop all the whining, but in the current system, I can't make a better case for any other team.

  • Defending champs - In a system where approximately 1/4 of your roster changes significantly every year, that's irrelevant.
  • Winning streak - Last year, Utah had the longest winning streak, so that's also irrelevant. If it didn't matter last year, why should it matter this year?
  • Best defense - No, not necessarily. They have played in the SEC, where there are really no good offenses. How can theysay they're the best defense if they haven't played anyone with an elite offense?
  • 10th best scoring offense - That's not #1, so again... irrelevant.
  • Toughest conference - We don't know that, since we haven't seen enough games between conferences. As far as I've seen, Florida and Alabama are both very good, but that's it. There's no reason to believe that the rest of the conference is anything impressive.
  • 8 Bowl-bound teams - That's a completely useless figure. Any team can schedule their way into bowl eligibility. We all know that. There are some very bad teams out there who will be making bowl appearances.
  • Ranked #1 by writers and coaches - Nice circular logic here, but if someone asks you to justify a team being ranked #1, it's poor form to say "because they're ranked #1". That just doesn't work.
Here are some reasons why other teams could be ranked ahead of them. I'll even be nice, and conveniently ignore the fact that Florida should have 2 losses, if SEC officials weren't such nuthuggers for the favorites all the time.

TCU and Cincinnati are also both undefeated, and they have beaten more ranked teams than Florida. TCU has also won 7 straight games by 27 or more. Texas has arguably the best offense in the country, and they have also beaten 8 bowl eligible teams. Boise State is also undefeated, and they're the winningest team in the country in this decade.

Based on strength of schedule and quality of wins THIS SEASON, there is no way you can really say that Florida deserves the #1 by default, which is basically what they've been awarded throughout the season.

11/28/09   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
What does a team that won it all in 2008 have to do with the one in 2009?
No, the 2009 Florida Gators are tied with the longest winning streak along with every other undefeated team this season.
Yes, your first good point.
No, to me, the toughest conference this season has been the Pac-10.
Yes, but when .500 can still get you to a bowl game, and 3 of those are cupcakes, it's amazing everyone doesn't play and beat 8 bowl bound teams.
Sports writers have about as much as knowledge on all the teams in the nation as bloggers do, we sit up and watch as many games, if not more than they do, and form our own opinions from them.
Coaches, however, are busy with only their team. If they've been spending Sunday-Friday concentrating on beating their next opponent, and then spending Saturday trying to execute that, how exactly are they supposed to know who the top 25 teams are in the country?

 I was asking for someone to make a case for another team being ranked ahead of Florida....
All you did was state your opinion of my post. Where's your case for another team?

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
Here's the case for Florida being ranked #1:
Aren't they the defending national champions?
Don't they have the longest winning streak?
Don't they have the best overall defense and the 10th best scoring offense?
Don't they play in the toughest conference?
Haven't they beaten 8 bowl bound teams?
Aren't they ranked #1 by the sports writers and the coaches? (who may not know as much about football as some of you, but they try)

Now, please make a case for another team being ranked ahead of Florida.

I would love to see a playoff system instituted to stop all the whining, but in the current system, I can't make a better case for any other team.

What does a team that won it all in 2008 have to do with the one in 2009?
No, the 2009 Florida Gators are tied with the longest winning streak along with every other undefeated team this season.
Yes, your first good point.
No, to me, the toughest conference this season has been the Pac-10.
Yes, but when .500 can still get you to a bowl game, and 3 of those are cupcakes, it's amazing everyone doesn't play and beat 8 bowl bound teams.
Sports writers have about as much as knowledge on all the teams in the nation as bloggers do, we sit up and watch as many games, if not more than they do, and form our own opinions from them.
Coaches, however, are busy with only their team. If they've been spending Sunday-Friday concentrating on beating their next opponent, and then spending Saturday trying to execute that, how exactly are they supposed to know who the top 25 teams are in the country?

11/28/09   |   aos035   |   68 respect

zzj000 wrote:
I dont think that if Me, Ed and PAT were officiating this game we could have given FSU enuff help to be competitive!    <sighs and takes another drink>

Ill be the replay official!

11/28/09   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

Pat wrote:
Honestly though... looking at the remaining undefeated teams... is there any way to possibly justify Florida being #1, other than the fact that they started the season ranked #1?

Correct answer: No.

Here's the case for Florida being ranked #1:
Aren't they the defending national champions?
Don't they have the longest winning streak?
Don't they have the best overall defense and the 10th best scoring offense?
Don't they play in the toughest conference?
Haven't they beaten 8 bowl bound teams?
Aren't they ranked #1 by the sports writers and the coaches? (who may not know as much about football as some of you, but they try)

Now, please make a case for another team being ranked ahead of Florida.

I would love to see a playoff system instituted to stop all the whining, but in the current system, I can't make a better case for any other team.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

wrote:
Mizz-KU final and any on USC-UCLA??

Mizzou/KU game was absolutely nuts, KU had a 3 point lead and the ball with 2:50 left, safety and a FG later, Mizzou won 41-39. And USC-UCLA doesn't start til 10pmEST.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

wrote:
anybody catch the late scores?????

Which scores ya wanna know?

Most exciting game was with the FCS playoffs starting today, and SDSU was up by 27, and gave up 40 unanswered points..61-48

11/28/09   |   kteacher   |   34349 respect

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

wrote:
Nor should they go on endlessly about just one player. It is a team and the singling out of a player the way that ding dong of CBS has all year is what I find totally offensive, and I love TT.

Personally he could wear, pink elephants under his eyes, who gives a crap?? It's about teamwork, good sportsmanship, and the development of our youth. Oh , and an undefeated team on their way to a 3rd ..say it with me now, 3rd Championship..

Sorry hadda go there!

Ugh, you had me going there too...Damn you Andi.

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

I have no problem with a player having it on there. I DO have a problem with people making such a huge deal out of it, no matter what it is. No matter what it is, none of us should give a damn. Nor should CBS read the scripture out loud on their broadcast, like they've been doing all year. THAT is where I think people go wrong.

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

wrote:
Big Tone I agree as well, we do. I fought for our rights. Biut when you represent a Company or an instittution you stop having the right to express your opinion on their grounds. It is a fact. Corporate America does not allow it and the NCAA is Corporate America.

I think that Corporate America has it wrong to if I want to put a cross on my desk or wear one or have a daily devotion calender on the wall in cubical that should be my right as long as I am not verbally preaching to co-workers or clients.

11/28/09   |   Beaneaters   |   17740 respect

WWTD

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Pat wrote:
1) He isn't advertising for a church.
2) Anyone who is offended by that is even more of a raging douchebag than Tebow.

I didn't care about the eyeblacks, Tebow is free to put whatever he wants on those.

I was a little bothered with the bible readings by Verne in the booth, though. It isn't 700 Club, it's college football. I'm fine with acknowledgment of it, he's done it all season, but no need to cite the verses.

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Pat wrote:
1) He isn't advertising for a church.
2) Anyone who is offended by that is even more of a raging douchebag than Tebow.

Now Pat I was going to give you a respect for that but you had to go and slam my boy oh well I will give you a half of one though in this post.LOL

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Scott wrote:
What a fitting end to the Mark Mangino era in Kansas

Yea, doesn't matter any longer about that "investigation" crap on whether or not he pushed his finger onto a players chest, just a nasty losing streak does it.

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

wrote:
because advertising of any kind is against the Rules. If you have never been to Church, that is the only way you can believe they are not for profit. Plus it is offensive to other religions and atheists.

What that has got to be the most ridiculous thing I have ever heard first of all this statement " If you have never been to Church, that is the only way you can believe they are not for profit." Is offensive to me as a christian. The last time I checked we live in America and freedom of religion is one of our rights.

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

wrote:
because advertising of any kind is against the Rules. If you have never been to Church, that is the only way you can believe they are not for profit. Plus it is offensive to other religions and atheists.

1) He isn't advertising for a church.
2) Anyone who is offended by that is even more of a raging douchebag than Tebow.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

wrote:
 It's not advertising.   He's not telling anyone to attend a particular church.  & ice crunching is offensive to me, yet that somehow doesnt stop people from doing it in front of me.

Ugh, ice crunching is awful.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Scott wrote:
For my NCAAF pickems sake, I hope Missouri scores a touchdown... I need them to cover that point spread

Only a FG, and Kansas' meltdown continues with another personal foul to end the game.

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

What a fitting end to the Mark Mangino era in Kansas

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Pinkel basically gave Mangino the game just begging him to run it, and Mangino must've outsmarted himself, ridiculous playcalling, and now Washington's run just won it for Mizzou.

For my NCAAF pickems sake, I hope Missouri scores a touchdown... I need them to cover that point spread

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Scott wrote:

Why on earth didnt Mangino run the ball and make Missouri use that last timeout.  They could've ran the clock down to about a minute a half had they not got a first down. 

Pinkel basically gave Mangino the game just begging him to run it, and Mangino must've outsmarted himself, ridiculous playcalling, and now Washington's run just won it for Mizzou.

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

I guess there is a reason why Kansas has lost 6 straight games...

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

I thought Mizzou was dumb to punt, but Kansas is absolutely self-destructing right now. Kansas kicker just called for a personal foul, luckily they called it offset and not give Mizzou another 15 yards.

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

Why on earth didnt Mangino run the ball and make Missouri use that last timeout.  They could've ran the clock down to about a minute a half had they not got a first down. 

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Safety!!! Holy ****.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

I don't want Mangino to leave Kansas, but this kind of play calling to just give Mizzou another chance, is crazy.

11/28/09   |   zzj000   |   388 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
OK had to come back in for this one. What facts that we haven't played anyone big deal when we do we win and that is when it counts keep crying and we will keep winning. OK now I am out. 

WOW... it only took you 3 months to admit they haven't played anyone. Thank God for small victories.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

(Edited by Chief_aka_James)

Ridiculous numbers by the both of them so far.

D. Alexander: 14 Rec, 226 yards, 1 TD
D. Briscoe: 14 Rec. 242 yards, 2 TD

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

zzj000 wrote:
Lets see.... Do I really care if BigTone is tired of hearing it ........ uhhhhhh NO. Just stating facts, not a biased homer opinion. 

OK had to come back in for this one. What facts that we haven't played anyone big deal when we do we win and that is when it counts keep crying and we will keep winning. OK now I am out. 

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Ugh, you really think the SEC without Bama and Florida is "amazing"?

Tennessee, Arkansas, and Vanderbilt at home isn't necessarily competition at this point. Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina on the road is nothing to look at either.

I will give you that Georgia and LSU, especially on the road are two very difficult games, but as I look at the current top 25, almost everyone has had seemingly two difficult games against "good, not great" teams, what makes Florida's any different?

Bama's schedule has been much easier, as they didn't play Georgia this season, only LSU, and even that game was at home - I see nothing "amazing" about that schedule, unless you just want the SEC stamp on there and claim it's special.

You are right, most of it doesn't matter being the winner of next weeks game is in the NC game no matter what, but still the thought of SEC football with what UF and Bama has done this year is "absolutely amazing" kinda sickens me a bit.

Like I said I challenge any team to play the SEC schedule and go undefeated and I mean any team. Weather you want to believe it are not  that is your fault. Only 2 out of the  6 teams you mention I agree with but the other 4 while their records might not show it (because the play in the SEC) are as good if not better then most teams in any other conference Period!!!.

But it don't matter you all will never admit it and we will just show the world again in the title game that we are the best and it does mot matter if it is Bamma or Florida and you can take that to the bank. I am out!!!

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Wow, not much of a prettier punt you can make there.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Scott wrote:
At the rate this is going, whichever teams defense has the first stop on the other teams offense might win this game

Well, Kansas wins then...

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
This game has been pretty crazy, Briscoe has made a few mistakes tonight, but him vs. Alexander has been very entertaining.

At the rate this is going, whichever teams defense has the first stop on the other teams offense might win this game

11/28/09   |   zzj000   |   388 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
I am just tired of your redirect you are in every post crying about it give it a rest. Until someone beats us we are #1 period!!!!!!!!!!

Lets see.... Do I really care if BigTone is tired of hearing it ........ uhhhhhh NO. Just stating facts, not a biased homer opinion. 

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Scott wrote:
MU and Kansas are playing yet another classic in there Border War.  Reesing to Dezmon Briscoe for 6, Reesing to Meier for the 2 point conversion and the game is tied at 36 with 13 minutes left in the 4th quarter

This game has been pretty crazy, Briscoe has made a few mistakes tonight, but him vs. Alexander has been very entertaining.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Pat I agree with you as far as what the non-con schedule looks like but I challenge any team to go undefeated in either side of the SEC What UF and Bamma have done is absolutely amazing. But I do see were people have an argument as to why Florida is #1 but  when we beat Bamma and then take home our second straight NCs it wont matter because that will be all the proof we need.

Ugh, you really think the SEC without Bama and Florida is "amazing"?

Tennessee, Arkansas, and Vanderbilt at home isn't necessarily competition at this point. Kentucky, Mississippi St., South Carolina on the road is nothing to look at either.

I will give you that Georgia and LSU, especially on the road are two very difficult games, but as I look at the current top 25, almost everyone has had seemingly two difficult games against "good, not great" teams, what makes Florida's any different?

Bama's schedule has been much easier, as they didn't play Georgia this season, only LSU, and even that game was at home - I see nothing "amazing" about that schedule, unless you just want the SEC stamp on there and claim it's special.

You are right, most of it doesn't matter being the winner of next weeks game is in the NC game no matter what, but still the thought of SEC football with what UF and Bama has done this year is "absolutely amazing" kinda sickens me a bit.

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

MU and Kansas are playing yet another classic in there Border War.  Reesing to Dezmon Briscoe for 6, Reesing to Meier for the 2 point conversion and the game is tied at 36 with 13 minutes left in the 4th quarter

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

zzj000 wrote:
IF... Florida would have at any time during the season PLAYED like a team "deserving" of the #1 ranking.... you wouldnt hear near as much complaining. BUT they HAVE NOT!!! Period.

I am just tired of your redirect you are in every post crying about it give it a rest. Until someone beats us we are #1 period!!!!!!!!!!

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Pat wrote:
Honestly though... looking at the remaining undefeated teams... is there any way to possibly justify Florida being #1, other than the fact that they started the season ranked #1?

Correct answer: No.

Pat I agree with you as far as what the non-con schedule looks like but I challenge any team to go undefeated in either side of the SEC What UF and Bamma have done is absolutely amazing. But I do see were people have an argument as to why Florida is #1 but  when we beat Bamma and then take home our second straight NCs it wont matter because that will be all the proof we need.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

I can't wait til when Danario Alexander is in the NFL next season, 6'5'', 220 lbs; 12 catches, 211 yards and a TD today.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Pinkel just going off on the refs, a Mutumbo finger wave gives Mizzou a 15 yard taunting penalty.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Danario Alexander Touchdown! Mizzou up 32-28!

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Briscoe fumble, Mizzou ball!

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Next on Bible Readings, with Verne Lundquist...

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Jeez, why couldn't Mizzou's offense be like this all season, finally finding answers besides Alexander.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

wrote:
Or call TT for excessive water walking

See, I always knew you were a closet Florida hater

11/28/09   |   billywa   |   658 respect

Gosh, as a Sooner fan, there's really no better way than to end a dismal season by shattering osu's delusions of adequacy...AGAIN!!!!!!  It's kind of becoming a Thanksgiving tradition (which t-bone Pickens money will never be able to buy for the aggies!

That said, it might have been a different game if Zac Robinson was healthy and/or. they were playing at Easy Pickens Stadium in Stillwater...

BOOMER SOONER!!!!!!!

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

zzj000 wrote:
I dont think that if Me, Ed and PAT were officiating this game we could have given FSU enuff help to be competitive!    <sighs and takes another drink>

Wrong, Pat would call Florida for a 15 yard penalty every play for douchebaggedness.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

FSU - I don't care if it works or not, your gimmick sucks.

11/28/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

What feels worse - watching this FSU/Florida game or waking up to it hungover?

I think it's the game.

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

Thank God there are more games on TV today.  The Gator/Seminole game was over before it even started

11/28/09   |   zzj000   |   388 respect

TurkogluForMVP wrote:
that is a possibility. the bcs better put the thought of number one team in there against them then lol...

one point of concern... why the hell are there SEC officials at this game.... the away team brings their officials. kinda smelly if you ask me.

I dont think that if Me, Ed and PAT were officiating this game we could have given FSU enuff help to be competitive!    <sighs and takes another drink>

11/28/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

Pat wrote:
But what if the most deserving team isn't even IN the National Championship game? How could we possibly know?

that is a possibility. the bcs better put the thought of number one team in there against them then lol...

one point of concern... why the hell are there SEC officials at this game.... the away team brings their officials. kinda smelly if you ask me.

11/28/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

wrote:
I am not a Fan of that move either. But maybe if he can get the Ship righted some guys will want to play there again. It is sad to see the SWAGGER gone. People giving up on plays. Would have never happened 10 years ago.

its really sad to see because of the stupidity coming from the front office when they name the problem of the team the  head coach in waiting... now bobby cant even fix the problem. so until the BOT realizes they dont know jack about football and let the football people be football people then FSU will continue to struggle with USF, UM and UF taking all the good recruits.

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

wrote:
It is OK Sherry. I started Drinking before the Game Started.

Probably a solid idea. I'm not sure why I didn't do the same.

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

TurkogluForMVP wrote:
i agree with you pat but right now the spanking of fsu isnt helping the case. if they arent deserving then they wont win the nc. i do think bama and texas is better than florida but we'll have to see.

But what if the most deserving team isn't even IN the National Championship game? How could we possibly know?

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

Todd Reesing finally playing up to the preseason Heisman hype.... Squawks up 21-10 on Missouri in the Border Game

11/28/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

wrote:
I have been a FSU fan for 27 years. If there is anyone who doesn't think Bobby Bowden should retire you have to much juice in your EGG NOG.....AWFUL is RIGHT.

its not bobby that is killing yall... its the lack of recruiting power in mickey andrews and jimbo fisher. youre coaching staff is garbage. sorry to say.. if jimbo is the new hc then expect a kentucky vs tennessee type streak.

11/28/09   |   TurkogluForMVP   |   50 respect

i agree with you pat but right now the spanking of fsu isnt helping the case. if they arent deserving then they wont win the nc. i do think bama and texas is better than florida but we'll have to see.

11/28/09   |   zzj000   |   388 respect

Florida State is JUST AWFUL............... Gawd Im depressed. I wonder if the Grambling State game is still on.

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

Gray pants, white shirts with gray and a ring of yellow around the arm, gray helmets and a black M.  Good grief Missouri's new color scheme for there uniforms is horrible

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

lickylut69 wrote:
i think the gator haters need coal in there stockings and i think u have to get that in the yankee states,lol

No, really... strength of schedule... quality wins... tell me why Florida should be ahead of TCU, Cincinnati, Alabama and Texas. Please do it. Leave the "hater" excuse at the door, and bring some actual facts and logic. On second thought, don't even bother. Just put your homer hat on, be a typical SEC honk, and ignore all reality. You'll have more fun that way, instead of looking at the facts and realizing that your precious Gators are a completely illegitimate #1 ranked team.

11/28/09   |   zzj000   |   388 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:

 WA WA WA WA WA WA WA WA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

IF... Florida would have at any time during the season PLAYED like a team "deserving" of the #1 ranking.... you wouldnt hear near as much complaining. BUT they HAVE NOT!!! Period.

11/28/09   |   lickylut69   |   104 respect

bobby has my standing ovation,he is for sure a legend in fla no matter what team he is coaching,hopefully he will get it in the swamp but not for the win but for being the most respected coach.

11/28/09   |   lickylut69   |   104 respect

Pat wrote:
Honestly though... looking at the remaining undefeated teams... is there any way to possibly justify Florida being #1, other than the fact that they started the season ranked #1?

Correct answer: No.

i think the gator haters need coal in there stockings and i think u have to get that in the yankee states,lol

11/28/09   |   Scott   |   52688 respect

Judging by some of these scores I guess the old saying is true.... throw out the records when two teams play in there rivalry game

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:

 WA WA WA WA WA WA WA WA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

Honestly though... looking at the remaining undefeated teams... is there any way to possibly justify Florida being #1, other than the fact that they started the season ranked #1?

Correct answer: No.

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

CHOMP CHOMP IN THE SWAMP BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!! GOOOOO GATORS!!!!!!!!!!!!!

11/28/09   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

zzj000 wrote:
Pat...  I know we seldom agree but when it comes to the BCS I have no problem with any of your thoughts. For God's sake let the 'Noles play the game of their life today and take down the Damn Gators!!! And then of course let the Tide play their normal lackluster game against the Gators in the title game and lose. Thats all I want for Christmas..... Is that too much to ask?
(Edited by BigTone2475)

 WA WA WA WA WA WA WA WA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

11/28/09   |   Boski93   |   375 respect

And don't forget the final act of Charlie and Choke It Factory, as the Notre Dame faces Standford at 5:00 PST, and for all you night owls the battle of L.A. UCLA at USC at 7:15 PM PST.

11/28/09   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

zzj000 wrote:
Pat...  I know we seldom agree but when it comes to the BCS I have no problem with any of your thoughts. For God's sake let the 'Noles play the game of their life today and take down the Damn Gators!!! And then of course let the Tide play their normal lackluster game against the Gators in the title game and lose. Thats all I want for Christmas..... Is that too much to ask?

Unfortunately, it probably IS too much to ask... but I'm hoping for the same.

11/28/09   |   zzj000   |   388 respect

Pat...  I know we seldom agree but when it comes to the BCS I have no problem with any of your thoughts. For God's sake let the 'Noles play the game of their life today and take down the Damn Gators!!! And then of course let the Tide play their normal lackluster game against the Gators in the title game and lose. Thats all I want for Christmas..... Is that too much to ask?