NCAA Football Week 13 Live Thread

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The big rivalry games this week start off at 12:00 EST, with Michigan and Ohio State going at it. In this game, the big favorite has lost 6 of the last 7 times, when it was supposed to be a lopsided matchup. Can the Wolverines pull it off? Probably not, but the numbers say they can.

Here are the games of note: (all times EST)

12:00
West Virginia at Louisville (ESPN)
North Carolina State at #22 North Carolina
Michigan at #10 Ohio State (ABC)
Indiana at Purdue (ESPN2)

1:30
Citadel at #4 Florida

2:00
Washington at Washington State (FOX)

3:30
Stanford at California (ABC Regional)
Boston College at Wake Forest (ABC Regional)
#15 Michigan State at #8 Penn State (ABC Regional)
Air Force at #16 TCU

4:00
#9 Boise State at Nevada (ESPN 2)

6:00
#14 BYU at #7 Utah

7:00
#21 Oregon State at Arizona
#20 Pittsburgh at #19 Cincinnati (ESPN 2)

7:45
Florida State at #25 Maryland (ESPN)

8:00
#2 Texas Tech at #5 Oklahoma (ABC)

If you're a Michigan fan, then I'm almost sorry for the RichRod pictures. Almost.

And if you're watching these games, feel free to chat it up here, or on their respective game pages. And as always, don't forget to make your picks in our pick 'em section for the chance to win a bunch of fan points. Enjoy the games, and have a great weekend!

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11/22/08

Beat_LA415

0	Standford is bringing the Axe back across the Bay to Berkeley for the game. They will not be leaving with the Axe. That'll be a long little trip home for the axeless Stanford. GO BEARS!!! TAKE BACK THE AXE

11/22/08

gobigblue1960

0	It's gametime MEEECHIGAN FANS!! Let's kick the Buckeyes were it hurts, sqaure in those shinny nuts. OH HOWIHATETHEOHIOSTATE!! GO BLUE!!

11/22/08

Heyhey1970

0	I like Rich Rodriguez's attempt to channel Jerry Tarkanian in the picture. The only difference is UNLV usually was winning during the towel chewing. Rodriguez better figure it out. Michigan won't put up with another season like this one.

11/22/08

0	How high and low can a football team get...Vandy was one of the best stories earlier in the year, now down 17-0 to Tennessee...Crazy.

11/22/08

0	How messed up is the ACC? NC State is beating UNC 41-10 which will knock UNC out of BCS title contention.

11/22/08

0	Snow in the Penn State/Michigan State game. I love it.

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: How messed up is the ACC? NC State is beating UNC 41-10 which will knock UNC out of BCS title contention. Of course next week in the ACC it could be completely different. It is the league no one wants to win.

11/22/08

1	Even though my Badgers are being thoroughly dominated by Cal-Poly I'm still more embarassed by our loss to Michigan this year.

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: Even though my Badgers are being thoroughly dominated by Cal-Poly I'm still more embarassed by our loss to Michigan this year. I think they are equally embarrassing.

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: Even though my Badgers are being thoroughly dominated by Cal-Poly I'm still more embarassed by our loss to Michigan this year. Yikes. I don't know if that says more about Wisconsin, Michigan, or Cal Poly.

11/22/08

0	Cal Poly is at least decent. They're 3rd in D1-AA. Michigan just sucks.... I can't believe I'm trying to justify Cal Poly's talent or value as a team.

11/22/08

1	Also, why didn't this Penn State team show up the past two weeks? This is the Penn State team that was a Top 5 team.

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: Also, why didn't this Penn State team show up the past two weeks? This is the Penn State team that was a Top 5 team. Good question. Also, thanks ESPN for mentioning last year's comeback after MSU scored. My blood pressure thanks you.

11/22/08

Scott

0	All I got to say is thank god for Michigan. Thanks to them, Illinois is quietly going un-noticed by alot of people as a team that is really underachieving this year

11/22/08

0	Since I know you guys aren't SEC homers, let me pose this question to you. Who has Florida beat exactly? An overrated Georgia, an overrated LSU, and who else? The SEC is down this year and Florida is just beating a bunch of crappy teams big time, and the talking heads are falling head over heals for them because "They are dominating the SEC". Am I right about this or way off base?

11/22/08

0	Nick, the answer to your question is pretty much no one. Mizzou is better than both Georgia and LSU in my mind and they are a "nobody" this year in the Big 12. That said, I think Florida is pretty damn good. Their offense has been very overrated this year. Florida's D has been dominant, but who knows if thats because the SEC is rather average this year or if its really that good.

11/22/08

Jubanator14 wrote:

Since I know you guys aren't SEC homers, let me pose this question to you.

Who has Florida beat exactly?

An overrated Georgia, an overrated LSU, and who else? The SEC is down this year and Florida is just beating a bunch of crappy teams big time, and the talking heads are falling head over heals for them because "They are dominating the SEC".

Am I right about this or way off base?

Silly rabbit, you forget that the SEC is the BEST CONFERENCE EVAH.

11/22/08

0	Ok so I am not taking crazy pills.

11/22/08

Jubanator14 wrote:

They beat Ole Miss... oh wait, never mind.

11/22/08

0	Jubanator14 wrote: Ok so I am not taking crazy pills. No, but why aren't you tailgating or something? I hope you didn't get screwed out of tickets.

11/22/08

Jubanator14 wrote:

Wait..which one was the question you pose? the latter?

You're right, they haven't beaten much, but they have beaten them all pretty damn convincingly...It's a crapshoot like it always is every year when trying to make a good bowl game being that the teams hadn't played eachother before..

It's educated guessing though seems to point that Florida is good enough to be in the top 5, maybe even NC talk.

11/22/08

BestofChicago

0	(Edited by BestofChicago) gobigblue1960 wrote: It's gametime MEEECHIGAN FANS!! Let's kick the Buckeyes were it hurts, sqaure in those shinny nuts. OH HOWIHATETHEOHIOSTATE!! GO BLUE!! ........................... stop.

11/22/08

0	Why isn't it 7cst yet?

11/22/08

0	gearhead wrote: No, but why aren't you tailgating or something? I hope you didn't get screwed out of tickets. On the iPhone.

11/22/08

1	Jubanator14 wrote: On the iPhone. I don't know if I'm more jealous that you have an iPhone or going to the TTech/Oklahoma game.... on second thought definitely the Tech/Oklahoma game.

11/22/08

0	Jubanator14 wrote: On the iPhone. Remember that I hate you.

11/22/08

0	Jubanator14 wrote: On the iPhone. That makes sense. My next question is how can you write coherently still?

11/22/08

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: Remember that I hate you. I just hope I don't freeze my balls off tonight.

11/22/08

0	(Edited by Jubanator14) gearhead wrote: That makes sense. My next question is how can you write coherently still? It spells the words for me pretty well. Plus I've mostly been drinking hot chocolate...

11/22/08

0	In the 'two teams that nobody ever really gives a s*** about' Game, Syracuse playing with Notre Dame well, and just down 6. 23-17

11/22/08

0	Jubanator14 wrote: I just hope I don't freeze my balls off tonight. "You don't have balls, you just have that flipper thing that you use as a penis" Sorry, totally watched Farce of the Penguins the other night though...

11/22/08

0	OT at the Crapple Bowl! How fitting.

11/22/08

1	gearhead wrote: OT at the Crapple Bowl! How fitting. Can they have a tie too?

11/22/08

1	Chief_aka_James wrote: Can they have a tie too? McNabb says no.

11/22/08

0	and the Syracuse Orange lead the Notre Dame Fighting Irish 24-23 with 42 seconds left... Yay.

11/22/08

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: and the Syracuse Orange lead the Notre Dame Fighting Irish 24-23 with 42 seconds left... Yay. Would that be enough to get Muffin Top Charlie fired?

11/22/08

0	70 yard TD pass to Butler and time to book a ticket to Pasadena (if I had the money, that is).

11/22/08

0	Jubanator14 wrote: Would that be enough to get Muffin Top Charlie fired? God I hope so. 5 seconds left, ball on 35...and the kicker who was just short on a 49 yarder goes for a 53 yarder, everyone in the place is booing; and he misses it.

11/22/08

0	Only bad thing about ND loss. That means if Navy had finished the comeback, then a loss next week to USC would keep ND from a bowl. Now they'll probably be the first 6-6 team to make a New Years Day bowl.

11/22/08

0	At the start of overtime, Wazzu needed 11 plays to get a 19 yard field goal.

11/22/08

0	Wow, wasn't even aware that I had the Crapple Bowl on my tv...I can't believe I missed the first 3 hours of this.

11/22/08

0	What's worse, the playing of this game, or the announcers?

11/22/08

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: Wow, wasn't even aware that I had the Crapple Bowl on my tv...I can't believe I missed the first 3 hours of this. If it weren't for Penn State, I would've watched it from the beginning. The announcers are treating it like the Special Olympics of football. It's hilarious.

11/22/08

0	WAZZU WINS!!!!!!! Storm the field!! Look at the Husky players crying in defeat!!

11/22/08

0	Best. Field Rush. Ever.

11/22/08

0	I think you're underestimating the fortune and glory of owning the Crapple Cup.

11/22/08

0	Well hour and a half to go. Off to the stadium. Hopefully they won't pat me down and the tree beers I've got in my coat will go in with me.

11/22/08

0	Looks like OT between Cal Poly and Wisconsin as well. A 52 yard attempt went about 30....

11/22/08

0	(Edited by sportsgnork) VT has turned the ball over 4 times against Duke and is only down 3 -0? Duke is brutal, but so are my Irish! WTF! They will be 6-6 heading into a bowl that they have less than 30% chance of winning they way they have played the last 4 weeks. I am not optimistic in anyway for ND during the bowl season. VT just got a pick! They are -3 on the turnover ratio so far.

11/22/08

0	(Edited by gearhead) Mike Patrick's an idiot. He's ranting about how a computer ranks Boise State fourth. One problem, none of them have them close to that. Patrick would make a fine baseball writer with his knee-jerk anti-computer bias.

11/22/08

0	I wonder who will the one at large non-BCS team be and which bowl will they play in? I have read that OSU may be the odd man out... but that is only one report..

11/22/08

0	(Edited by sportsgnork) Check that - 4 turnover ratio for VT, another pick. Still 3-0 Duke. And.. Duke goes three and out.

11/22/08

1	Cal Poly with another XP missed...thats the 3rd XP missed today...I know Wisconsin doesn't deserve to win this game with how horrid they are, but Cal Poly isn't making it much of a point to win also.

11/22/08

1	Wisconsin TD, and the XP to win the game..36-35. woo...hoo.

11/22/08

0	These roses do not smell like poo poo.

11/22/08

0	PSU took care of their end and is headed to Pasedena.. OSU and USC need some help.

11/22/08

gearhead wrote:

Mike Patrick's an idiot. He's ranting about how a computer ranks Boise State fourth. One problem, none of them have them close to that. Patrick would make a fine baseball writer with his knee-jerk anti-computer bias.

The other problem: if a computer has Boise State ranked 4th, who cares? They're undefeated. I have no problem with them being ranked high at this point in the season.

11/22/08

0	Pat wrote: The other problem: if a computer has Boise State ranked 4th, who cares? They're undefeated. I have no problem with them being ranked high at this point in the season. Upon further review, he probably meant Utah. Still, the point is Patrick is a big conference biased moron.

11/22/08

0	gearhead wrote: Upon further review, he probably meant Utah. Still, the point is Patrick is a big conference biased moron. Repeat my last comment, just insert Utah for Boise State. That being said, I'm hoping BYU can win today and get Utah out of the conversation. Nothing against them I would just like to see more of the Big 12 in the BCS this year. 3 teams or bust!

11/22/08

0	Pat wrote: Repeat my last comment, just insert Utah for Boise State. That being said, I'm hoping BYU can win today and get Utah out of the conversation. Nothing against them I would just like to see more of the Big 12 in the BCS this year. 3 teams or bust! I'd agree except isn't the rule each conference can only have 2?

11/22/08

0	My appetizer before the TTU/OU game will be Minnie and Iowa at the Dome...last game for the Gophers at the Metrodome, can't wait for TCF Bank Stadium next year.

11/22/08

TurkogluForMVP

0	lol oh Ole Miss beats LSU prestigious

11/22/08

0	gearhead wrote: I'd agree except isn't the rule each conference can only have 2? I thought 3 was the limit for some reason... I'll have to check on that.

11/22/08

gearhead wrote:

I'd agree except isn't the rule each conference can only have 2?

Source
"No more than two teams from a conference may be selected, regardless of whether they are automatic qualifiers or at-large selections, unless two non-champions from the same conference are ranked No. 1 and No. 2 in the final BCS Standings."

I suppose this is possible, if OU beats Texas Tech, and then loses the Big XII championship game. Texas and Texas Tech could theoretically end up 1-2, and then the Big 12 champ would get in also. That would take some absolute craziness, though. Pretty much impossible at this point. So yeah, you're pretty much right.

11/22/08

0	Wow, Iowa has used all three timeouts this half, and theres still 7:25 left in the 1st quarter..

11/22/08

Heyhey1970

0	kantwistaye wrote: Even though my Badgers are being thoroughly dominated by Cal-Poly I'm still more embarassed by our loss to Michigan this year. What is going on with Bielema? Cal-Poly dominated the Badgers and if the Cal-Poly wouldn't have missed three extra points, we never win that game.

11/22/08

0	Minnesota can not get a sack to save their life. A lot of heat though has been good.

11/22/08

3	I'm out for the night just in time to hear that Myron Rolle got the Rhodes scholarship. Congrats to him.

11/22/08

0	Come on Utah! Get my CSU Rams into the all important New Mexico Bowl.

11/22/08

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: Wisconsin TD, and the XP to win the game..36-35. woo...hoo. I came back during halftime of my school's basketball game (that we won on a last second 3 pointer!!!), and saw that we were 7-5 and was wondering how the hell we won. Thanks for your comment.

11/22/08

1	kantwistaye wrote: I came back during halftime of my school's basketball game (that we won on a last second 3 pointer!!!), and saw that we were 7-5 and was wondering how the hell we won. Thanks for your comment. No problem; it was a sad game to watch, but now I know more than one team (App. St.) to watch in the Division II playoffs.

11/22/08

0	(Edited by Jubanator14) Just checking in. It is the loudest I have ever heard in the stadium. I was able to get my beers and I AM SO FIRED UP!!!

11/22/08

0	Jubanator14 wrote: Just checking in. It is the loudest I have ever heard in the stadium. I was able to get my beers and I AM SO FIRED UP!!! Go away. We have tv's to see too.

11/22/08

1	Chief_aka_James wrote: No problem; it was a sad game to watch, but now I know more than one team (App. St.) to watch in the Division II playoffs. Yeah, I saw up until it was 29-21 Cal Poly, and I was in disbelief. We're one horrible team, and like you I will be watching Cal-Poly. In fact, I'll probably be rooting for them to win it all.

11/22/08

0	This BYU-Utah game is INTENSE.

11/22/08

Silversword55

0	And why BYU-Utah isn't on National tV is what I will NEVER get.

11/22/08

0	AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

11/22/08

0	Max Hall has handed Utah this game and a BCS bowl. Alright, now I can focus on the TT-OK game.

11/22/08

0	BOOMER! SOONER!

11/22/08

100%InjuryRate

0	Jubanator14 wrote: BOOMER! SOONER! You know we have a OU-TT live thread right?

11/22/08

0	Utah vs USC/ Ohio State is going to be a blowout. The non-BCS conferences are very weak this year.

11/22/08

0	100%InjuryRate wrote: You know we have a OU-TT live thread right? Well this one is easier. Plus I am freezing and a little drunk! BOOMER SOONER!!!

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: Utah vs USC/ Ohio State is going to be a blowout. The non-BCS conferences are very weak this year. I'm not so sure. Utah's a complete team, I've watched them quite a bit this year. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them beat either of those teams. Everybody said the same stuff in 04 and they won in a blowout.

11/22/08

0	Jubanator14 wrote: Well this one is easier. Plus I am freezing and a little drunk! BOOMER SOONER!!! You're not one of those shirtless d-bags, are you? And this game is getting kinda boring..

11/22/08

2	Jubanator14 wrote: Well this one is easier. Plus I am freezing and a little drunk! BOOMER SOONER!!! Well this one is easier. Plus I am freezing and ~~a little drunk~~ absolutely wasted beyond belief! BOOMER SOONER!!! /fixed

11/22/08

0	Zona leading Oregon St right now 17-10

11/22/08

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: You're not one of those shirtless d-bags, are you? And this game is getting kinda boring.. No I hate those douche bags big time. And this game is as far from boring as it could possibly be!

11/22/08

sharapovasthigh wrote:

I'm not so sure. Utah's a complete team, I've watched them quite a bit this year. I wouldn't be surprised at all to see them beat either of those teams. Everybody said the same stuff in 04 and they won in a blowout.

I didn't hear that in '04. Not to mention that that '04 Pitt team was the worst BCS team ever. The fact that Utah takes pride in that win is embarrassing to me and I have no affliation to Utah.

11/22/08

kantwistaye wrote:

I didn't hear that in '04. Not to mention that that '04 Pitt team was the worst BCS team ever. The fact that Utah takes pride in that win is embarrassing to me and I have no affliation to Utah.

Considering they could theoretically end up playing someone like Boston College/Georgia Tech/Florida State, Cincinnati, Oregon State, etc, I don't think that another Utah BCS Bowl win is out of the question.

11/22/08

Pat wrote:

Well, If Oregon State makes it they will play Penn State. However, yes, you are right, Utah will play another weak opponent. This is why we need a playoff. Utah might win another BCS game, but it will prove nothing.

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: Well, If Oregon State makes it they will play Penn State. However, yes, you are right, Utah will play another weak opponent. This is why we need a playoff. Utah might win another BCS game, but it will prove nothing. Yeah... forgot about the Rose Bowl. But yeah, the point is, there will be at least 2 other mediocre teams in BCS bowls that the Utes could probably beat up on.

11/22/08

(Edited by kantwistaye)
Pat wrote:

Yeah... forgot about the Rose Bowl. But yeah, the point is, there will be at least 2 other mediocre teams in BCS bowls that the Utes could probably beat up on.

Even though I generally rip on and doubt the mid-majors it disappoints me that they have no way to prove me and other doubters/haters wrong. A win over the Big East or ACC champ proves nothing to me. Hell, I'm pretty sure Wisconsin could win those conferences, but that means nothing. Utah/Boise St/Ball State deserve a playoff where they could prove just how good they are.

11/22/08

0	Ok, this game is over; I'll check around the final whenever its 73-14.

11/22/08

0	The Oregon State dream lives on!!!

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: The Oregon State dream lives on!!! That was a great final drive.

11/22/08

0	Nasty horsecollar; surprised Crabtree was able to get up so quickly.

11/22/08

0	...and Cincy storms the field afer beating Pitt... that was pathetic, especially seeing how the game wasn't over yet.

11/22/08

0	and Cincy storms the field again, but this time they won

11/22/08

0	kantwistaye wrote: ...and Cincy storms the field afer beating Pitt... that was pathetic, especially seeing how the game wasn't over yet. That's almost as bad as Wazzu storming the field after their win against Washington today..

11/22/08

Heyhey1970

kantwistaye wrote:

...and Cincy storms the field afer beating Pitt... that was pathetic, especially seeing how the game wasn't over yet.

I couldn't believe it.. Cincinatti was the better team, but I agree. On the last play of the game, Pittsburgh crossed midfield and the ball carrier was only about 15 yards away from running into fans, and there were oranges being thrown on the field. That was lame.

11/22/08