Mark Emmert: NCAA President Puts the Hammer on Penn State Football Program

NCAA Puts the Hammer Down on Penn State

7/23/12 in NCAAF   |   Tyler_Waddell   |   426 respect

NCAA President Mark Emmert decided not to hand the Penn State football program a "death penalty" during his press release moments ago.Blog Photo - Mark Emmert: NCAA President Puts the Hammer on Penn State Football Program

But he might as well have.

Penn State will be fined $60 million—an entire season's revenue—lose 10 initial scholarships and 20 total over the next four years, it is unable to make a conference championship or the postseason for four years, and it is placed on probation for five years.

In addition, all wins from 1998-2011 have been vacated, leaving Joe Paterno with 298 total victories and fifth on the all-time Division-I list.

All money from the $60 million fine will go to various organizations against sexual child abuse. 
 
It was said yesterday that Emmert would have full control on the final decision, which did not have to go through the rest of the committee or Penn State itself. Reports stated that he'd refrain from resorting to the "death penalty," but would use unprecedented, non-traditional penalties. 

“As we evaluated the situation, the victims affected by Jerry Sandusky and the efforts by many to conceal his crimes informed our actions,” said Emmert. “At our core, we are educators. Penn State leadership lost sight of that."

I once believed that the NCAA would either have to stay out or implement the "death penalty" and just kill the program, because I figured there was nothing else it could do to reflect the magnitude and severity of the victims.

I was obviously wrong.

Penn State football will not be relevant for the next decade at the very least. Will it ever recover is a valid question to be asked. Another good one is whether or not the Big Ten will decide to detach itself from the program, leaving it without a home (and who would want to take it in?).

Emmert took care of the issue within the football walls. He did an incredible job with a decision that could not be taken lightly.

But let's not forget about the reason this has happened in the first place. Penn State is being punished for turning its head during a time of need for the abuse victims—we need to remember that this is for them.


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7/24/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

jjh8857 wrote:
This isn't even a football ussue, way, way bigger than that.  No trips to the Outaback Bowl for 4 years?  Wow...I bet the victims feel so much better.  Justice!

something erie and creepy about the name OUTBACK considering what we are talking about here.  

7/23/12   |   jjh8857   |   334 respect

This isn't even a football ussue, way, way bigger than that.  No trips to the Outaback Bowl for 4 years?  Wow...I bet the victims feel so much better.  Justice!

7/23/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Tyler_Waddell wrote:
I stopped reading this comment after the first sentence. I'm not trying to argue with anyone via the internet, all I did was justify what the NCAA did. We both have our own opinions. You stick to yours, I'll stick to mine, and so will the rest of the world. Sorry to offend you.

No harm done man... but I agree with you in that I'm over this conversation too. NCAA couldn't find thier b-hole if you rammed a corn dog up it and tied their hands behind thier backs, I just hate to see them, once again, get something done retroactivly and then get credit for it. If I was as good at my job as the NCAA is at theirs my company would be bankrupt.

7/23/12   |   Tyler_Waddell   |   426 respect

beerstudk wrote:
You did call me ignorant, and now you seem to think I'm too stupid to realize it. If you're saying that thinking differently than you is ignorant, you in effect call everyone that thinks differntly than you 'ignorant'. If you're going to facelessy say something on the internet at least have the b@lls to own it. The buddy reference was to show that the fans and students are suffering for something that they had absolutely no involvment in. Even out here in Oregon, 2000 miles away from State College, PA, people assosiated with PSU are feeling the ramifications of Jerry Sandusky. What the NCAA did was in effect kicking a dead horse. Don't get it twisted, Emmert doesn't give two sh!ts about the victims, otherwise he wouldn't have done this on live, national tv. If he really cared about the victims he would have released the sanctions to the media via letter, just like he did with USC and Ohio State. He did this live on tv because he wanted the attention, plain and simple. I said in my first post that the $60 million was a great idea... totally cool with it. I'm also totally in aproval of removing the statue AND renaming the library when they finally get to doing that. As far as vacting wins, again, ask Bob Stoops how vacting wins ruined his career and reputaion. Last time I checked just about everybody forgot about his sancions at Oklahoma and his vacated wins. It also in theory is a good idea, but in reality it makes absolutely no difference at all. You also failed to tell me how these sanctions of lost scholarships help the victims of Jerry Sandusky and how they make the entire situation any better. Bottom line bro, I want to know where the NCAA was in 1998 when this was covered up initially. They bare some responsibility for letting this slip through the cracks, but them coming in at the last minute to get the last word in absolves them of failing at their job in most people's eyes, and that's wrong.

I stopped reading this comment after the first sentence. I'm not trying to argue with anyone via the internet, all I did was justify what the NCAA did. We both have our own opinions. You stick to yours, I'll stick to mine, and so will the rest of the world. Sorry to offend you.

7/23/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Tyler_Waddell wrote:
I didn't directly call you ignorant, I said thinking otherwise was. And I don't think his vacated wins will be quickly forgotten like a baseball record -- those don't involved the covering up of child sexual abuse cases.

As an Ohio State fan, it isn't ideal to have a postseason ban but I understand why and I would have done the same thing as an NCAA official. But you can't compare what Ohio State players did to what Joe Paterno did.

Emmert recognized the victims multiple times during his statement. He felt for them and wanted to make sure this culture that was at Penn State would never be replicated. Therefore, he cracked down really hard -- and the $60 million fine money will all go to child sexual abuse charities.

I don't understand what your "buddy" reference has anything to do with the argument. I'm sorry that he has to deal with irrational people. But the victims have to deal with a lot worse for the rest of their lives.

You did call me ignorant, and now you seem to think I'm too stupid to realize it. If you're saying that thinking differently than you is ignorant, you in effect call everyone that thinks differntly than you 'ignorant'. If you're going to facelessy say something on the internet at least have the b@lls to own it. The buddy reference was to show that the fans and students are suffering for something that they had absolutely no involvment in. Even out here in Oregon, 2000 miles away from State College, PA, people assosiated with PSU are feeling the ramifications of Jerry Sandusky. What the NCAA did was in effect kicking a dead horse. Don't get it twisted, Emmert doesn't give two sh!ts about the victims, otherwise he wouldn't have done this on live, national tv. If he really cared about the victims he would have released the sanctions to the media via letter, just like he did with USC and Ohio State. He did this live on tv because he wanted the attention, plain and simple. I said in my first post that the $60 million was a great idea... totally cool with it. I'm also totally in aproval of removing the statue AND renaming the library when they finally get to doing that. As far as vacting wins, again, ask Bob Stoops how vacting wins ruined his career and reputaion. Last time I checked just about everybody forgot about his sancions at Oklahoma and his vacated wins. It also in theory is a good idea, but in reality it makes absolutely no difference at all. You also failed to tell me how these sanctions of lost scholarships help the victims of Jerry Sandusky and how they make the entire situation any better. Bottom line bro, I want to know where the NCAA was in 1998 when this was covered up initially. They bare some responsibility for letting this slip through the cracks, but them coming in at the last minute to get the last word in absolves them of failing at their job in most people's eyes, and that's wrong.

7/23/12   |   Tyler_Waddell   |   426 respect

beerstudk wrote:
First of all bro, don't call me ignorant. That's pretty low class of you to do that. Secondly, ask Bob Stoops and Jim Calhoun about how bad it is to vacate wins. It's as retarded as putting an asteriks next to a baseball record, meaning it's completely irrelevant and very quickly forgotten. Finally, as far as "who cares about the punishment of the fans and students? This isn't about them. It's about the victims." You couldn't be more off point. YOU as an Ohio State fan should care, furthermore every fan of college football should care. The Big 10 just got weaker, and it's already near the bottom of the 'Big 6' automatic qualifiers. PSU has ALREADY lost players because of this. They'll be sued by every one of the victims and more than likely lose. They'll always be 'that school'. Letting the NCAA come in at the last second to hand down sanctions is like you getting a DUI, paying all the legal fees and THEN having the IRS fine you on top of it. How does any of this help the victims? How does loss of scholarships and destroying the school make the situation any better for the victims? Do you seriously little Timmy is going to sleep better at night because Penn State football is going to be irrelevant for the rest of his life? I'd love to hear your answer. I have buddy that graduated from PSU in 2001. He's had to take all the stickers off of his car and keep all his gear in his closet because stupid a$$holes say horrible sh!t to him and his family in parking lots and flip him off as they drive past him. Does he really deserve that just because he went to school at Penn State? This is what your type thinking manefests itself into. They guy was ALREADY embarrased as sh!t about the whole thing, but d-bags like that make everything worse by sitting up on their high horse and call for more punishment just so they can feel better about themselves.

I didn't directly call you ignorant, I said thinking otherwise was. And I don't think his vacated wins will be quickly forgotten like a baseball record -- those don't involved the covering up of child sexual abuse cases.

As an Ohio State fan, it isn't ideal to have a postseason ban but I understand why and I would have done the same thing as an NCAA official. But you can't compare what Ohio State players did to what Joe Paterno did.

Emmert recognized the victims multiple times during his statement. He felt for them and wanted to make sure this culture that was at Penn State would never be replicated. Therefore, he cracked down really hard -- and the $60 million fine money will all go to child sexual abuse charities.

I don't understand what your "buddy" reference has anything to do with the argument. I'm sorry that he has to deal with irrational people. But the victims have to deal with a lot worse for the rest of their lives.

7/23/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Tyler_Waddell wrote:
The vacating of the 111 wins reflects Paterno's involvement in the cover up. Not "retarded" at all. It doesn't mean you have to forget what he did on the field, but it should make you think about the victims.

Loss of scholarships is not wrong, it's not like the NCAA is punishing the current players. They're allowed to transfer with immediate eligibility.

Penn State directly violated Association bylaws and the NCAA constitution, therefore Emmert was legally allowed to become involved.

Who cares about the punishment of fans and students? This isn't about them. It's about the victims. Thinking otherwise is very ignorant. Besides, the majority of them still supports JoePa to this very second.

The NCAA got this right.

First of all bro, don't call me ignorant. That's pretty low class of you to do that. Secondly, ask Bob Stoops and Jim Calhoun about how bad it is to vacate wins. It's as retarded as putting an asteriks next to a baseball record, meaning it's completely irrelevant and very quickly forgotten. Finally, as far as "who cares about the punishment of the fans and students? This isn't about them. It's about the victims." You couldn't be more off point. YOU as an Ohio State fan should care, furthermore every fan of college football should care. The Big 10 just got weaker, and it's already near the bottom of the 'Big 6' automatic qualifiers. PSU has ALREADY lost players because of this. They'll be sued by every one of the victims and more than likely lose. They'll always be 'that school'. Letting the NCAA come in at the last second to hand down sanctions is like you getting a DUI, paying all the legal fees and THEN having the IRS fine you on top of it. How does any of this help the victims? How does loss of scholarships and destroying the school make the situation any better for the victims? Do you seriously little Timmy is going to sleep better at night because Penn State football is going to be irrelevant for the rest of his life? I'd love to hear your answer. I have buddy that graduated from PSU in 2001. He's had to take all the stickers off of his car and keep all his gear in his closet because stupid a$$holes say horrible sh!t to him and his family in parking lots and flip him off as they drive past him. Does he really deserve that just because he went to school at Penn State? This is what your type thinking manefests itself into. They guy was ALREADY embarrased as sh!t about the whole thing, but d-bags like that make everything worse by sitting up on their high horse and call for more punishment just so they can feel better about themselves.

7/23/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

Pat wrote:
The vacated wins are actually a very fitting punishment.

Part of the reason Paterno helped cover it up was because he was concerned about his legacy. As soon as he assisted in allowing Sandusky to go unpunished, he deserved to be fired. By vacating the wins, you're essentially firing him retroactively, and removing the part of his legacy that we now know doesn't deserve to exist.

Vacating wins is merely a paper lion.  The fact is those games were indeed played and teams he coached DID win games.  Vacating wins is a slippery slope.  So who gets those wins that Paterno no longer gets?  Somebody should get credit for them.  They DID happen after all.  It's foolish to just pretend they didn't.  His "legacy", such that it is, has already been tarnished far more than the NCAA's ability to detract from it.

Something needed to be done about the misplaced reverence for the football program that permeates that community which allowed this atrocity to fester for years.  Nothing the NCAA did addresses that serious issue.

7/23/12   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

The vacated wins are actually a very fitting punishment.

Part of the reason Paterno helped cover it up was because he was concerned about his legacy. As soon as he assisted in allowing Sandusky to go unpunished, he deserved to be fired. By vacating the wins, you're essentially firing him retroactively, and removing the part of his legacy that we now know doesn't deserve to exist.

7/23/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

Tyler_Waddell wrote:
Eliminated for 20 years minimum? I don't think you understand that that's unrealistic and not even possible. Penn State will be forced to play walk-ons for the next several years and won't be back to 85 scholarships until 2019. It won't be competitive for decades and the fans' "worshipped Lions" will have a 0-4 win team to look forward to for quite some time.

I don't see how you can say the message hasn't been sent. All $60 million is going to child sexual abuse organizations, and the man behind the cover up was stripped of his legacy.

The NCAA only cares about money? Doesn't show here. It doesn't get a dime.

I completely understand.  Eliminating the program is very realistic and 100% possible.  Why can't the program just be eliminated?  It doesn't matter that the team may suck.  The fact remains they will STILL BE PLAYING GAMES!!!!  Those who were complicit in creating the atmosphere of allowing this go on will STILL get their Lion fix every fall. 

I said I agree with the fine.  That's the only thing the NCAA go right.  But let's be honest, nothing was taken from Paterno that hasn't been taken away already. 

Yes, they only care about money.  Penn State football was a giant cash register.  The NCAA didn't want to lose that.  And after this tiny blip it will be again.  And the conditions will be rife for this sort of thing to happen all over again. 

No.  The NCAA had the opportunity to send a message and failed.  And we all know Penn State themselves won't do the right thing and kill their own program.  Why?  Too much money would be lost.

It's truly pathetic.

7/23/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

I think the victims would love to "un-ring" the bell that happened to them.  This is a gesture of support for what they endured doing that period of time.  No one helped them while the team was flourishing on the field.  I think it is a quid pro quo decision.  And a just one.

7/23/12   |   Tyler_Waddell   |   426 respect

ML31 wrote:
BeerstudK is correct when he says vacating wins is "retarded".  It is.   You'd think that college educated people would know that you can't un-ring a bell.  Those wins happened no matter what they say.  And quite frankly, are unrelated to the situation.
The fine is acceptable as well.

But...   I figured the NCAA would drop when it came time for the hard decision.  The problem here is that this punishment does NOTHING to address the real reason this went on for over 10 years while nearly everyone knew about it.  It was said so right there in the Freeh report when it spoke of the "reverence" (I would say perverse reverence) the entire community held for the football program.  That school and community needed a reality check.  They needed to be reminded that colleges are supposed to be about educating young adults and that there are a TON of things that come before a football program.  This punishment doesn't send that message at all.  They still have their Lions to worship every week in the fall.  The program needed to be eliminated.  For at least 20 years minimum.

The NCAA once again shows they don't care about anything but $$$$.

Eliminated for 20 years minimum? I don't think you understand that that's unrealistic and not even possible. Penn State will be forced to play walk-ons for the next several years and won't be back to 85 scholarships until 2019. It won't be competitive for decades and the fans' "worshipped Lions" will have a 0-4 win team to look forward to for quite some time.

I don't see how you can say the message hasn't been sent. All $60 million is going to child sexual abuse organizations, and the man behind the cover up was stripped of his legacy.

The NCAA only cares about money? Doesn't show here. It doesn't get a dime.

7/23/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

ML31 wrote:
BeerstudK is correct when he says vacating wins is "retarded".  It is.   You'd think that college educated people would know that you can't un-ring a bell.  Those wins happened no matter what they say.  And quite frankly, are unrelated to the situation.
The fine is acceptable as well.

But...   I figured the NCAA would drop when it came time for the hard decision.  The problem here is that this punishment does NOTHING to address the real reason this went on for over 10 years while nearly everyone knew about it.  It was said so right there in the Freeh report when it spoke of the "reverence" (I would say perverse reverence) the entire community held for the football program.  That school and community needed a reality check.  They needed to be reminded that colleges are supposed to be about educating young adults and that there are a TON of things that come before a football program.  This punishment doesn't send that message at all.  They still have their Lions to worship every week in the fall.  The program needed to be eliminated.  For at least 20 years minimum.

The NCAA once again shows they don't care about anything but $$$$.

yeah they don't care about kids getting hammered in the shower by some old fart!  Only about the $$$

7/23/12   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

BeerstudK is correct when he says vacating wins is "retarded".  It is.   You'd think that college educated people would know that you can't un-ring a bell.  Those wins happened no matter what they say.  And quite frankly, are unrelated to the situation.
The fine is acceptable as well.

But...   I figured the NCAA would drop when it came time for the hard decision.  The problem here is that this punishment does NOTHING to address the real reason this went on for over 10 years while nearly everyone knew about it.  It was said so right there in the Freeh report when it spoke of the "reverence" (I would say perverse reverence) the entire community held for the football program.  That school and community needed a reality check.  They needed to be reminded that colleges are supposed to be about educating young adults and that there are a TON of things that come before a football program.  This punishment doesn't send that message at all.  They still have their Lions to worship every week in the fall.  The program needed to be eliminated.  For at least 20 years minimum.

The NCAA once again shows they don't care about anything but $$$$.

7/23/12   |   PurrsAlot   |   1606 respect

there are consequences for actions ...or should I say inaction.  

7/23/12   |   Tyler_Waddell   |   426 respect

beerstudk wrote:
Once again, another FAIL from the NCAA.  I like the $60 million fine, the vacating of wins is retarded, like I'm going to just conveniently forget that Paterno won 409 games, I'm cool with the bowl bans but the loss of scholarshps is wrong.  They might as well have disbanded the program.  All this was is window dressing for the NCAA to get their names in the paper and to be included in the "15 minutes" that the Sandusky trail created.  I guess when you really think about it, the NCAA is brilliant.  Why not punish the students and fans of Penn State, I mean, if they didn't show up for games Paterno wouldn't have had anything to protect.  And why was the NCAA even sticking their head into this mess?  This is a CRIMINAL case.  The people that are still alive that were involved in the cover-up will face SERIOUS jail time and at the very least at ton of lawsuits.

Just like the NCAA to show up a day late and a dollar short to grab some pub and TV time while they hide behind ethics and morale duty.  This whole situation disgusts me....

The vacating of the 111 wins reflects Paterno's involvement in the cover up. Not "retarded" at all. It doesn't mean you have to forget what he did on the field, but it should make you think about the victims.

Loss of scholarships is not wrong, it's not like the NCAA is punishing the current players. They're allowed to transfer with immediate eligibility.

Penn State directly violated Association bylaws and the NCAA constitution, therefore Emmert was legally allowed to become involved.

Who cares about the punishment of fans and students? This isn't about them. It's about the victims. Thinking otherwise is very ignorant. Besides, the majority of them still supports JoePa to this very second.

The NCAA got this right.

7/23/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Once again, another FAIL from the NCAA.  I like the $60 million fine, the vacating of wins is retarded, like I'm going to just conveniently forget that Paterno won 409 games, I'm cool with the bowl bans but the loss of scholarshps is wrong.  They might as well have disbanded the program.  All this was is window dressing for the NCAA to get their names in the paper and to be included in the "15 minutes" that the Sandusky trail created.  I guess when you really think about it, the NCAA is brilliant.  Why not punish the students and fans of Penn State, I mean, if they didn't show up for games Paterno wouldn't have had anything to protect.  And why was the NCAA even sticking their head into this mess?  This is a CRIMINAL case.  The people that are still alive that were involved in the cover-up will face SERIOUS jail time and at the very least at ton of lawsuits.

Just like the NCAA to show up a day late and a dollar short to grab some pub and TV time while they hide behind ethics and morale duty.  This whole situation disgusts me....

7/23/12   |   Tyler_Waddell   |   426 respect

Pat wrote:
I think this was the right punishment. One of the reasons Paterno and the others were willing to turn a blind eye was because they were concerned about the legacy of the football program and also Paterno's legacy.

Now, with this punishment, both of those things are deservedly shredded, and Paterno's place in history will reflect his negligence. The NCAA got it right this time, imo.

I agree. It seems to be consensus among most of the general population. Not a whole lot to argue with. Bravo, Mark Emmert.

7/23/12   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

I think this was the right punishment. One of the reasons Paterno and the others were willing to turn a blind eye was because they were concerned about the legacy of the football program and also Paterno's legacy.

Now, with this punishment, both of those things are deservedly shredded, and Paterno's place in history will reflect his negligence. The NCAA got it right this time, imo.