NCAA Rules Oklahoma Sooners Football Must Forfeit Wins from 2005 | NCAAF

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Jubanator14 wrote:

So from what I have read it looks like in 2005 OU had a 0-4 season. So if OU has to give up its wins and in theory the other teams get to have them, does Baylor, Texas A&M, and Kansas State get to declare that they actually were bowl eligible in 2005 and missed out on potential bowl money and ask the NCAA to give them the cash they could have earned by making it to a bowl and were summarily deprived of due to OU's transgressions? And With Nebraska picking up a conference win in 2005 they would have been tied with Colorado for the North and could have had a shot at the Big12 championship game and also a BCS birth (albeit they would have gotten hammered by Texas) can they go back and get their chance. I don't think so, retroactively taking wins away does nothing at all but make the fan base very mad at the NCAA. With all that said, I am a student at OU and a Die-Hard fan and yes, that season wasn't one most of the bandwagon fans wanted to forget but I know I was very proud of the way that team that season. David Boren and Bob Stoops released a statement today saying that they would appeal the decision that the NCAA gave today.

Pretty harsh penalty. Interesting angle on Nebraska and their Big12 title game aspirations, that Nebraska team did beat Colorado 30-3 and went on to beat Michigan in the Alamo Bowl. I'm sure this subject will be debated on a lot of boards now.

My condolences to Sooner fans, you should all boycott that dealership and put them out of business. Also, if any other boosters are involved in this type of behavior concerning your team, do something about. It makes me sick that people outside of the program can cause so much damage to the program, same can be said for that slimeball agent that gave Reggie Bush's family a house to live in. USC fans should make his life so miserable that he is forced to leave the state.

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desertrat wrote:

Pretty harsh penalty. Interesting angle on Nebraska and their Big12 title game aspirations, that Nebraska team did beat Colorado 30-3 and went on to beat Michigan in the Alamo Bowl. I'm sure this subject will be debated on a lot of boards now.

My condolences to Sooner fans, you should all boycott that dealership and put them out of business. Also, if any other boosters are involved in this type of behavior concerning your team, do something about. It makes me sick that people outside of the program can cause so much damage to the program, same can be said for that slimeball agent that gave Reggie Bush's family a house to live in. USC fans should make his life so miserable that he is forced to leave the state.

Well a lot of that happened right back at the beginning of the school year in 05 but that guy had already sold it and the new management hung a huge sign on the dealership that said "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT". It was really bad at the beginning though for the dealership.

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The Sooners now have those two "players" to thank for ruining everything Oklahoma has built over the years, but they deserve what is now being handed to them.

And leave it to CF to not give Oregon any credit for almost beating Oklahoma legitimately in the 2005 Holiday Bowl. If it weren't for the last minute interception, I'd still be wearing my bowl-game championship shirt proudly. Now it seems, the Ducks deserve the win, and rightfully so.

7/11/07

kausnefect

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Todd wrote:

The Sooners now have those two "players" to thank for ruining everything Oklahoma has built over the years, but they deserve what is now being handed to them.

And leave it to CF to not give Oregon any credit for almost beating Oklahoma legitimately in the 2005 Holiday Bowl. If it weren't for the last minute interception, I'd still be wearing my bowl-game championship shirt proudly. Now it seems, the Ducks deserve the win, and rightfully so.

Dont gloat your program could be next.

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Todd wrote:

The Sooners now have those two "players" to thank for ruining everything Oklahoma has built over the years, but they deserve what is now being handed to them.

And leave it to CF to not give Oregon any credit for almost beating Oklahoma legitimately in the 2005 Holiday Bowl. If it weren't for the last minute interception, I'd still be wearing my bowl-game championship shirt proudly. Now it seems, the Ducks deserve the win, and rightfully so.

I'm still going to wear my Holiday Bowl Champs t-shirt Todd.

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0	(Edited by Todd) kausnefect wrote: Dont gloat your program could be next. For what? The Ducks have served their time in the tickets-for-rent scandal. Probation served and passed. Try again.

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1	soonerfan150 wrote: I'm still going to wear my Holiday Bowl Champs t-shirt Todd. Excellent. Then OK State fans can snicker at you when you're in public.

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kausnefect

0	Todd wrote: For what? The Ducks have served their time in the tickets-for-rent scandal. Probation served and passed. Try again. For what ? Who the hell ever knows for what? You just pick up the paper one day and see that your team is under investigation .

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0	Todd wrote: Excellent. Then OK State fans can snicker at you when you're in public. Trust me, the refs gave Oregon their "well deserved" win.

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0	soonerfan150 wrote: Trust me, the refs gave Oregon their "well deserved" win. Honestly, I hope the Ducks NEVER schedule the Sooners again, and avoid them in bowl games too. This will never end... no one will ever agree... that way no one can ever say that a game was stolen from them.

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0	Todd wrote: Honestly, I hope the Ducks NEVER schedule the Sooners again, and avoid them in bowl games too. This will never end... no one will ever agree... that way no one can ever say that a game was stolen from them. Well it really did get stolen from them and it showed in the holiday bowl that the only way that you guys won in 2006 is that it got stolen from us and we are clearly better!

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3	fans26 wrote: Well it really did get stolen from them and it showed in the holiday bowl that the only way that you guys won in 2006 is that it got stolen from us and we are clearly better! You also clearly gave up more than 500 yards of offense to Oregon.

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0	Ziiiiiing!

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0	Well oregon clearly took away a possible national championship from us and you guys clearly gave up a bowl win to us in 2005! BTW we have no records of that anymore which sux!

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0	fans26 wrote: Well oregon clearly took away a possible national championship from us and you guys clearly gave up a bowl win to us in 2005! BTW we have no records of that anymore which sux! Excuse me, but are we talking about the same Oklahoma team that lost to Boise St? Come on dude, get real.

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fans26 wrote:

Well oregon clearly took away a possible national championship from us and you guys clearly gave up a bowl win to us in 2005! BTW we have no records of that anymore which sux!

Well, without Mr. "I get paid for not working" Bomar, the Sooners wouldn't have one in '05... not to mention you couldn't beat Boise State AND you needed Colt McCoy to get injured, do you seriously think you could have beat Florida? I seriously doubt it.

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0	desertrat wrote: Excuse me, but are we talking about the same Oklahoma team that lost to Boise St? Come on dude, get real. I would have relaly like to seen oregon try to play Boise ST.! It would have been an upset just like when we lost by may i remind u one point it would have been an upset to you too!

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RedBirdRage wrote:

Well, without Mr. "I get paid for not working" Bomar, the Sooners wouldn't have one in '05... not to mention you couldn't beat Boise State AND you needed Colt McCoy to get injured, do you seriously think you could have beat Florida? I seriously doubt it.

Louisville could not have done any better by the way garrett hartley shoulda got the lou groza award! You guys barely beat kansas state and u think that we couldnt beat anyone! We lost to Boise ST. by ONE POINT! We played a heck of a game and so did Boise ST. I think that if it woulda been another day and any other time we woulda won and we coulda beat flordia!

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fans26 wrote:

I would have relaly like to seen oregon try to play Boise ST.! It would have been an upset just like when we lost by may i remind u one point it would have been an upset to you too!

So maybe really instead of Oklahoma possibly losing a national championship, the BCS system may have cost Boise State a national championship? After all, who was the only undefeated team last year? And they did win a BCS Bowl game. Just food for thought!

(No way do I think Boise could have beaten Ohio State or Florida, but I'd sure love to have seen them get the chance)

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1	So is this a thread for mud slinging or for talking about the violations that the NCAA brought down on the Sooners?

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0	Jubanator14 wrote: So is this a thread for mud slinging or for talking about the violations that the NCAA brought down on the Sooners? These threads do tend to fly in all directions. How will the loss of scholarships affect the Sooners? Didn't they already lose some scholarships a couple of years ago for other violations?

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fans26 wrote:

Louisville could not have done any better by the way garrett hartley shoulda got the lou groza award! You guys barely beat kansas state and u think that we couldnt beat anyone! We lost to Boise ST. by ONE POINT! We played a heck of a game and so did Boise ST. I think that if it woulda been another day and any other time we woulda won and we coulda beat flordia!

Oh, and now you're gonna bash Tha Ville, when we WON our BCS game? Hartley win the Groza, are you stoned??? Carmody is one of the best kickers in the country PERIOD, and he'd have way better stats if not for our offense scoring so many touchdowns. You wanna bring up the K-State game? Well, take out Peterson and Thompson and let's see how well you all do on the road, hmm? I didn't even say you couldn't beat anyone, but if you can't beat Boise State AND need Texas' QB to go down to get to the BCS you have NO BUSINESS talking about the championship. That was my entire point, but if you wanna bash my boys, go right ahead, I'll cut you down to size like I did with my two Sooner-homer coworkers all day.

BTW, the Oregon game in '06 was just a little karmatic payback for '02.

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Jubanator14 wrote:

So is this a thread for mud slinging or for talking about the violations that the NCAA brought down on the Sooners?

I honestly don't know... I'm sitting here talking about the violations and all of a sudden one of your boys brings the school I go to into it (even though I'm wearing an Oregon jersey in my profile pic). I'm perfectly happy keeping on topic, but if someone's gonna start smack (especially about a team who isn't even in the conversation to begin with), I'm not going to sit there and let it slide.

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Todd wrote:

The Sooners now have those two "players" to thank for ruining everything Oklahoma has built over the years, but they deserve what is now being handed to them.

And leave it to CF to not give Oregon any credit for almost beating Oklahoma legitimately in the 2005 Holiday Bowl. If it weren't for the last minute interception, I'd still be wearing my bowl-game championship shirt proudly. Now it seems, the Ducks deserve the win, and rightfully so.

I thought this was about Oklahoma?

I enjoy the reactions from varying fan bases. Sincerely, I do. I would also suggest that Oklahoma fans put that car dealership out of business, but is it really just the car dealerships fault? No chance. Stoops knew about the summer activities of Rhet. All coaches know about their players summer activities. Most are within the rules, but more cases than we'd willingly admit are breaking the rules. Even at our beloved programs.

What really frustrates me is that if this was Tulsa committing these crimes they'd be suspended from a bowl game for the next two years, lose 4 scholarships, etc. You get the idea. Does Stoops run a clean program? Not a chance. Do our favorite programs a clean ship? Unlikely.

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RedBirdRage wrote:

Oh, and now you're gonna bash Tha Ville, when we WON our BCS game? Hartley win the Groza, are you stoned??? Carmody is one of the best kickers in the country PERIOD, and he'd have way better stats if not for our offense scoring so many touchdowns. You wanna bring up the K-State game? Well, take out Peterson and Thompson and let's see how well you all do on the road, hmm? I didn't even say you couldn't beat anyone, but if you can't beat Boise State AND need Texas' QB to go down to get to the BCS you have NO BUSINESS talking about the championship. That was my entire point, but if you wanna bash my boys, go right ahead, I'll cut you down to size like I did with my two Sooner-homer coworkers all day.

BTW, the Oregon game in '06 was just a little karmatic payback for '02.

Well maybe carmody is ONE of the best in the nation but hartley is a much better kicker he is number ONE in the nation! Ok we have bradford and we already showed everyone that we can play w/o peterson! We dominated almost all of our road games this year so there you go!

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

I thought this was about Oklahoma?

I enjoy the reactions from varying fan bases. Sincerely, I do. I would also suggest that Oklahoma fans put that car dealership out of business, but is it really just the car dealerships fault? No chance. Stoops knew about the summer activities of Rhet. All coaches know about their players summer activities. Most are within the rules, but more cases than we'd willingly admit are breaking the rules. Even at our beloved programs.

What really frustrates me is that if this was Tulsa committing these crimes they'd be suspended from a bowl game for the next two years, lose 4 scholarships, etc. You get the idea. Does Stoops run a clean program? Not a chance. Do our favorite programs a clean ship? Unlikely.

The dealership was under new management once all of this came to light in Aug of 05. So they did a HUGE damage control campaign. The did TV ads, ads in the OU student newspaper and the Oklahoman, and hung a huge sign in front of the dealership that said "UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT". The University broke all ties with the booster/car dealer and if I remember correctly his house may have been egged a few times. Bomar had to cancel his facebook account because by about an hour after the story broke his wall was covered in lots of hate from other students, both from OU and other schools.

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RedBirdRage wrote:

I honestly don't know... I'm sitting here talking about the violations and all of a sudden one of your boys brings the school I go to into it (even though I'm wearing an Oregon jersey in my profile pic). I'm perfectly happy keeping on topic, but if someone's gonna start smack (especially about a team who isn't even in the conversation to begin with), I'm not going to sit there and let it slide.

I feel ya on there. I go to OU and the only teams that I really talk trash about are the school's that are south of the Red River and the Other "big" school in the state. All in all, does it really matter who won the Groza award? I don't see too many schools selling recruits on Groza award winners. There aren't any schools out there that is known as Kicker U is there?

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

I thought this was about Oklahoma?

I enjoy the reactions from varying fan bases. Sincerely, I do. I would also suggest that Oklahoma fans put that car dealership out of business, but is it really just the car dealerships fault? No chance. Stoops knew about the summer activities of Rhet. All coaches know about their players summer activities. Most are within the rules, but more cases than we'd willingly admit are breaking the rules. Even at our beloved programs.

What really frustrates me is that if this was Tulsa committing these crimes they'd be suspended from a bowl game for the next two years, lose 4 scholarships, etc. You get the idea. Does Stoops run a clean program? Not a chance. Do our favorite programs a clean ship? Unlikely.

Your own words make your potshot at Oregon appear not to be just about Oklahoma:

What 2005 season? Congratulations to the 2006 Holiday Bowl Champion Oregon Ducks (not really).

Not really, what? No wait... forget it. It doesn't matter now.

I'll give you this though... the Ducks had their had in the "cookie jar" a few years ago with the tickets in exchange for rent fiasco (a player giving a prominent business man his game tickets in exchange for free room and board), that nearly cost us everything. Oregon was penalized only very lightly... too light really (yes, even a homer, like me, can say that). Fortunately, it didn't cost us our season(s), which it should have. No program is perfect, but the penalty on the Sooners doesn't seem harsh enough, IMO.

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0	What is funny is this whole deal isn't even close to a 1/4th of what used to happen in the 80's with the Sooners and I'm sure many programs around the nation. I can only speak of the Sooners because I have heard many stories of the drug use, cars, houses, etc. that was going on here during the Switzer Era.

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Todd wrote:

Your own words make your potshot at Oregon appear not to be just about Oklahoma:

What 2005 season? Congratulations to the 2006 Holiday Bowl Champion Oregon Ducks (not really).

Not really, what? No wait... forget it. It doesn't matter now.

I'll give you this though... the Ducks had their had in the "cookie jar" a few years ago with the tickets in exchange for rent fiasco (a player giving a prominent business man his game tickets in exchange for free room and board), that nearly cost us everything. Oregon was penalized only very lightly... too light really (yes, even a homer, like me, can say that). Fortunately, it didn't cost us our season(s), which it should have. No program is perfect, but the penalty on the Sooners doesn't seem harsh enough, IMO.

You Oregonians take things WAY too personally. ;) What is it?

Technically, you won the game. But on the field you didn't. Thus 'not really.' That's all.

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

You Oregonians take things WAY too personally. ;) What is it?

Technically, you won the game. But on the field you didn't. Thus 'not really.' That's all.

If it appears we have a chip on our shoulders, then I would suggest walking a mile in our shoes, if I were you. Small media markets, lack of national coverage, "Where is OR-AH-GONE again?", I could go on. We deal with that "uphill battle" all the time. Look at it from our perspective, then you might see why we're a little uppity.

I see where the "not really" comes in, because the victory was achieved through the back door, and no one wants that (even the winner).

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Todd wrote:

If it appears we have a chip on our shoulders, then I would suggest walking a mile in our shoes, if I were you. Small media markets, lack of national coverage, "Where is OR-AH-GONE again?", I could go on. We deal with that "uphill battle" all the time. Look at it from our perspective, then you might see why we're a little uppity.

I see where the "not really" comes in, because the victory was achieved through the back door, and no one wants that (even the winner).

You've quickly forgotten my parents spent 7 years in Portland, 5 of which I was around for. Of course, that remains all I remember was how cool Mt. Hood was and how I loved my backyard. But we have many friends from Oregon, root for Ore-gun sports, etc.

ANYWAYS ... back to this thread about Oklahoma and the NCAA's selective use of its rules.

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

You've quickly forgotten my parents spent 7 years in Portland, 5 of which I was around for. Of course, that remains all I remember was how cool Mt. Hood was and how I loved my backyard. But we have many friends from Oregon, root for Ore-gun sports, etc.

ANYWAYS ... back to this thread about Oklahoma and the NCAA's selective use of its rules.

That's great. It would be a "perfect utopia" if all felt the way you do.

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0	Todd wrote: That's great. It would be a "perfect utopia" if all felt the way you do. You guys are insufferable. Really.

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0	desertrat wrote: These threads do tend to fly in all directions. How will the loss of scholarships affect the Sooners? Didn't they already lose some scholarships a couple of years ago for other violations? OU lost I think a couple of scholarships from their self-imposed sanctions. It might hurt them a little. A loss of six scholarships in two years.

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Todd wrote:

If it appears we have a chip on our shoulders, then I would suggest walking a mile in our shoes, if I were you. Small media markets, lack of national coverage, "Where is OR-AH-GONE again?", I could go on. We deal with that "uphill battle" all the time. Look at it from our perspective, then you might see why we're a little uppity.

I see where the "not really" comes in, because the victory was achieved through the back door, and no one wants that (even the winner).

Trust me, I still root for Oregon if they play USC. But in all seriousness, I like to see other teams play then just teams around Oklahoma. So, whenever Oregon plays on FSN I usually watch.

7/11/07

codydad24

0	desertrat wrote: Excuse me, but are we talking about the same Oklahoma team that lost to Boise St? Come on dude, get real. yep, just think the best team in the big twelve lost to BSU, imagine what they would have done the also rans, such as Nebraska. Ya'll represented well in the cotton bowl though right?

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0	codydad24 wrote: yep, just think the best team in the big twelve lost to BSU, imagine what they would have done the also rans, such as Nebraska. Ya'll represented well in the cotton bowl though right? Nebraska played the better team in Auburn. A loss is a loss, equally repped the Big 12 huh?

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0	Oy, and of horse I have to post a random comment to get to the next page...

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fans26 wrote:

Well maybe carmody is ONE of the best in the nation but hartley is a much better kicker he is number ONE in the nation! Ok we have bradford and we already showed everyone that we can play w/o peterson! We dominated almost all of our road games this year so there you go!

Wow, you have to be clairvoyant to have watched Carmody play all season and be able to compare him to Hartley. Give me a break. How many Louisville games did you watch this year, huh? The only reason you think that Hartley is better is because he's on your team, if he wasn't I bet you wouldn't give a rat's behind about him.

Besides, you still didn't answer who would be QBing that game if Thompson went down.

7/12/07

kausnefect

0	This is nothing I remember when thet took away Scholarships,T.V.and Bowl games.It took years to recover from that. I heard the guy on PTI say that the NCAA is scared of Oklahoma.Thats funny.

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0	CriticalFanatic wrote: You guys are insufferable. Really. If you grew up AND lived here all of your adult life, like me, you'd understand. But you don't, and that's OK. Most people, who aren't from here, don't understand. You're just one of those many.

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theshrewdone

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desertrat wrote:

So maybe really instead of Oklahoma possibly losing a national championship, the BCS system may have cost Boise State a national championship? After all, who was the only undefeated team last year? And they did win a BCS Bowl game. Just food for thought!

(No way do I think Boise could have beaten Ohio State or Florida, but I'd sure love to have seen them get the chance)

Yeah, it would have been nice to see...but not even I think we could have pulled off a win against one of those two...probably a better chance against Ohio State...those two programs just had a little too much speed for us...at this point in time, anyway...but, then...everyone said we wouldn't be able to match up against Oklahoma's speed and size...their speed was a non-factor...clearly the size/physical play started to wear us down at the end...allowing their comeback...but OK doesn't have the speed that OSU and Florida had last year (and Florida has again this year).

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Pat

0	Ummm...he WAS the quarterback...that's kind of a big deal.

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0	Hey Pat and Tash, how come whenever I try to get to the next comment page I go to the NBA summer blog? I keep having to put a new post in to get to the second page.

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0	Thompson DID get moved over to wideout pretty quickly. But the backup thing I was referring to was when they played Kansas State, since he tried to compare the Sooners to the Cards based on playing K-State (was that at home for UO?). We played that game without our running back AND without our quarterback and still won.

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Pat wrote:

Ummm...he WAS the quarterback...that's kind of a big deal.

Yea but he that season, he threw 10 Td's and 10 INT's, so really it was a wash. He had scatter feet and I thought he kinda had happy feet and couldn't stay in the pocket long enough to make a pass. He was a knucklehead from the time that season (05) started. The night after the TCU game he got busted for an MIP, after the season at a Hornets game he got busted again for alcohol,and then he capped it off with the pay for no work. So I think in the long run, him not being on the team is better for the program then if we still had him. (Yes I put we, I go to OU so I think that I can say we)

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0	(Edited by Jubanator14) Well I hate it when people say we when talking about a sports team so I was just clarifying it. And Football Season can't come faster. The fact that the video game comes out Tuesday has got me excited for the Season.

7/12/07

jakeob1106

1	Don't we all Natasha? To be a true fanatic you take on the team as your own. That's why people love sports so much. It doesn't matter if you went to school there or if you've even visited the stadium. osu fans try and say you have to be an alumnus to be a true fan but, they're osu fans. Sorry Natasha I see that's your Alma Mater, you're proof that good things do come from Stilly.

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jakeob1106

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CriticalFanatic wrote:

I thought this was about Oklahoma?

I enjoy the reactions from varying fan bases. Sincerely, I do. I would also suggest that Oklahoma fans put that car dealership out of business, but is it really just the car dealerships fault? No chance. Stoops knew about the summer activities of Rhet. All coaches know about their players summer activities. Most are within the rules, but more cases than we'd willingly admit are breaking the rules. Even at our beloved programs.

What really frustrates me is that if this was Tulsa committing these crimes they'd be suspended from a bowl game for the next two years, lose 4 scholarships, etc. You get the idea. Does Stoops run a clean program? Not a chance. Do our favorite programs a clean ship? Unlikely.

Glad you seem to know all of this. As a matter of fact the people responsible for the violations at the car dealership have been terminated and the business sold.

Stoops runs a pretty tight ship and this situation is not on him, it's on the Castiglione and the Compliance department.

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Cheesmo7

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Ok, regardless of all the useless mudslinging that I've seen in the above posts, I think that the sanctions were not that big of a deal overall. I'm glad that we took care of the problem early on, so that the sanctions were not more harsh. As far as the 8 games go, that's stupid. I mean everyone knows that we won those games, and if you program is lame enough to claim those as wins, then I feel sorry for you.

Anywho, did anyone hear the lame "I don't care... Get a real job..." comments from that no-name O-lineman that was busted for taking money for nothing along with Rhett "What money?" Bomar? HAHA, I mean what right does he have to tell anyone to get a "REAL JOB"!?!?!?

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