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3/22/08
NCAA Tournament Saturday Second Round Open Thread
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by CriticalFanatic more posts by author
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9 more hours of hoops. What a shame.

What do you say we get the Duke Blue Devils out of this place so Coach K can get himself healthy.

I think you know which game I'm most looking forward to, but besides that the Wisconsin-Kansas State matchup really intrigues. The possibility of a Kansas-Kansas St. rematch is becoming stronger. It's not Africa, but maybe Michael Beasley would settle for trying to beat the Jayhawks in Detroit.

2 Duke vs 7 West Virginia (2:10)
3 Wisconsin vs 11 Kansas State (4:30)
3 Xavier vs 6 Purdue (4:40)
4 Washington State vs 5 Notre Dame (6:40)
3 Stanford vs 6 Marquette (6:45)
1 Kansas vs 8 UNLV (6:50)
4 Pittsburgh vs 5 Michigan State (9:10)
1 UCLA vs 9 Texas A&M (9:15)

Q it up here.
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3/22/08
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Where's Rental Man? I want me some more Rental Man, and I want it now.

3/22/08
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and the BS calls in Duke's favor have begun. THIS is March Madness.

3/22/08
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ah ha. Ed Hightower is reffing the game. I think you Big Ten fans know what that means.

3/22/08
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(Edited by CriticalFanatic)
"Right now we're seeing this game officiated very tight."

Big Ten officials at their finest. 8 minutes of basketball, 9 fouls called.

3/22/08
0
I've heard that Ed Hightower is just as bad as Ted Valentine. dook is probably going to win this with the officiating and having their three point game on.

3/22/08
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Janse wrote:
I've heard that Ed Hightower is just as bad as Ted Valentine. dook is probably going to win this with the officiating and having their three point game on.
I clearly could be biased but Michigan State lost 8 games this year. Ed Hightower officiated in 4 of those.

3/22/08
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So, WVU has multiple players in foul trouble, while Duke only has one. Shocking. Luckily, Joe Alexander is a beast.

3/22/08
0

At this point, the refs are the only thing keeping Duke in this game.  They'll be shooting free throws on every foul for the last 12+ minutes of the game

3/22/08
0
Singler is flopping all over the place on the rebounds he's out of position to get.

3/22/08
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Is anyone else amused the failure of Duke this tournament is the backdoor? Or am I the only child in the room.

3/22/08
1
Cam Thoroughman. Now, that's a name Tim Brando would have a field day with.

3/22/08
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You could say Cam really stuck with the possession until the very end.

3/22/08
2
16 straight 3 point attempts missed after starting the game 2 of 3.  You live by the 3, you die by the 3.

3/22/08
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Scott wrote:
16 straight 3 point attempts missed after starting the game 2 of 3.  You live by the 3, you die by the 3.
Usually you die in the tournament. Tennessee is next.

3/22/08
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CriticalFanatic wrote:
Is anyone else amused the failure of Duke this tournament is the backdoor? Or am I the only child in the room.
I'm more amused that everyone was praising Duke's poise and experience and yet there two seniors have been MIA for the most part of these 2 games.  In fact, this might be two of the worse games I've seen from DeMarcus Nelson

3/22/08
0
Alexander's fourth. Ugh.

3/22/08
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Any predictions of what ESPN's headline for this game will be? I am going to go with:

Tournament Over! Duke Lost!

3/22/08
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And fifth on Butler. Here it comes.

3/22/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Any predictions of what ESPN's headline for this game will be? I am going to go with:

Tournament Over! Duke Lost!
Rim found to be crooked, reason for dook missing threes.

I am browsing a dook board and they are melting down. People are calling out Coach K to retire, begging for a recruit who can post up, mostly attacking coach K.

I love it, I really do.

3/22/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Any predictions of what ESPN's headline for this game will be? I am going to go with:

Tournament Over! Duke Lost!
"Duke courageously loses so that Coach K can get healthy"

3/22/08
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Janse wrote:
Rim found to be crooked, reason for dook missing threes.

I am browsing a dook board and they are melting down. People are calling out Coach K to retire, begging for a recruit who can post up, mostly attacking coach K.

I love it, I really do.
I hate those kind of fans that after a loss think that one of the greatest coaches ever should retire or be fired. I heard that stuff after the Fiesta Bowl from OU fans as we walked out of the Stadium and it drove me nuts.

3/22/08
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The critics will say, Duke was a team that has no inside game and they shoot a lot of threes. They didn't hit their threes and they lost.

3/22/08
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I don't care that I had Duke in the Elite Eight, I'm just glad they lost.

3/22/08
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"In his hometown of West Virginia"

Um...I am pretty sure that West Virginia is a state.

3/22/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
"In his hometown of West Virginia"

Um...I am pretty sure that West Virginia is a state.
Really, though, West Virginia is more a dirt road than anything else.

3/22/08
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They're burning couches in Morgantown today!

3/22/08
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The only bad thing about this is that UCLA is going to have an even easier time to return back to the Final Four. I thought the best team that had a chance to beat UCLA was dook in their region.

Oh well, I will take it.

3/22/08
1
Duke: the one team I laugh at during the pan of sad players on the bench.

3/22/08
0
How dare he forget the CBI Champions.

3/22/08
1


BURN THOSE COUCHES 'EERS!!!

3/22/08
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So who else had West Virginia beating Duke?

3/22/08
0
lol, Henderson had to get in one more flop before their way back to Durham.

3/22/08
1
Jubanator14 wrote:
So who else had West Virginia beating Duke?
Does the NCAAB pick'em contest count?? 

3/22/08
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I expected more of the WWL

3/22/08
1
As pathetic as the headline is, when I went to the main page their video player started and I got to see the Kenny Mayne and Pat Summit commercial and it was really funny.

3/22/08
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Bill Walker is earning himself some cash this Tournament.

3/22/08
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Yes because trick and junk defenses are done by coaches who can't coach, a la Tim Floyd.

3/22/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Bill Walker is earning himself some cash this Tournament.
Then he'll be able to afford nice towels to pee on.

3/22/08
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CriticalFanatic wrote:
I expected more of the WWL

This is ESPN we are talking about, they got to protect there beloved Dookie and ACC bias.  I mean, Nolan Smith is on the front page of the site, hardly the "star" that most people think of when they think of Duke.

3/22/08
0
CBS keeps showing me that the Purdue/Xavier game is coming up at 5:04 EST. I really hope they don't take me there.

3/22/08
0
I still think Wisconsin is only going to score around 58 points.

3/22/08
0
As much as I want Wisconsin to win, it's refreshing to know that it's possible for them to actually get into foul trouble.

3/22/08
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(Edited by CriticalFanatic)
Kansas State Band [poor quality] -3

3/22/08
0
I just saw a commercial for "Secret Talents Of the Stars"

I hate what TV is becoming...

3/22/08
0
Nothing is greater than going to a Ga Tech/Duke baseball game, and once the Duke basketball game is over, the score is announced and shown...Ga Tech fans were pretty nasty, but atleast Duke made the tourney..

3/22/08
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Why did Clark do that update instead of Greg?

3/22/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Why did Clark do that update instead of Greg?
Bathroom break? Dinner break? Smoke break?

You never know with the spontaneous Greg Gumbel...

3/22/08
0
how the hell does Walker get called with a 'T' too?

3/22/08
0
Well the refs are really taking this game over.

3/22/08
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As much as it's against my beliefs to openly root for a Big Ten team other then Illinois, I have to give Bo Ryan props.  He doesnt necessarily get the "stud" recruits but he does find and get the kids who fit his system perfectly.  It might not be pretty basketball but it's effective and Wisconsin under Ryan never seems to have a down or rebuilding year.

3/22/08
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(Edited by spankyc14)
Scott wrote:

As much as it's against my beliefs to openly root for a Big Ten team other then Illinois, I have to give Bo Ryan props.  He doesnt necessarily get the "stud" recruits but he does find and get the kids who fit his system perfectly.  It might not be pretty basketball but it's effective and Wisconsin under Ryan never seems to have a down or rebuilding year.

Anybody else watching the Stanford game?  I swear Jay Bilas has said "Robin Lopez has really improved his offensive game" over 7 times in the first 12 minutes.  And followed up every one of those comments with the same "and he is REALLY being aggressive offensively today!"  It was like a broken record mic-check, mic-check, mic-check, and were barely 1/4 through the game.  How is he not aware of this?

3/22/08
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What is going on with the clock in DC. This is getting old.

3/22/08
2
I'd really like this Xavier-Purdue game to end so I can watch something else.

3/22/08
0
(Edited by Jubanator14)
gearhead wrote:
I'd really like this Xavier-Purdue game to end so I can watch something else.
Finally it is done and we go to commercial

3/22/08
1
(Edited by Chief_aka_James)
Jubanator14 wrote:
Finally it is done and we go to commercial
It is finally over, and I get ND/Wazzu.

I have Washington St. picked. And get Gus.

3/22/08
0
Trent Johnson has left the building

3/22/08
1
I know Trent Johnson shouldn't be out there on the court like he was, but that "T" and ejection seemed to come pretty quick.

3/22/08
1
Can they throw Gus a bone and give him a close game?

3/22/08
0
No matter what happens the rest of the night, this:

Mardy Fish def. Roger Federer 6-3, 6-2

Is the biggest shocker of the weekend.

3/22/08
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(Edited by Janse)
Kansas is a very efficient team. Even though they are having trouble finding a lane or a shot, they are still shooting near 60% from the field. On the other end, only Wink Adams can make any kind of play.

I have also come to the conclusion that Rush is overrated.

3/22/08
0
Does anyone know when the FanIQ bracket will update?

3/22/08
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Janse wrote:
Kansas is a very efficient team. Even though they are having trouble finding a lane or a shot, they are still shooting near 60% from the field. On the other end, only Wink Adams can make any kind of play.

I have also come to the conclusion that Rush is overrated.
He is very good when he shows up to play which isn't as often as you would think for a great player. Mario Chalmers and Darrell Arthur are the best players on that team.

3/22/08
0
This Marquette/Stanford game really is a great one to watch.

3/22/08
0
That looked like it was off a Marquette player, yet they got the ball.  Hmmm....

3/22/08
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gearhead wrote:
No matter what happens the rest of the night, this:

Mardy Fish def. Roger Federer 6-3, 6-2

Is the biggest shocker of the weekend.
What's crazier is that there is a person named "Mardy Fish"

3/22/08
1
Dick Enberg really sucked the excitement out of that call.

3/22/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Dick Enberg really sucked the excitement out of that call.
Agreed. The poor guy has a cold too though. Perhaps its time to let him go home too with Coach K.

3/22/08
0
Brook Lopez is taking over.

3/22/08
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MrNFL wrote:
What's crazier is that there is a person named "Mardy Fish"
He's American to boot. Take that ethnocentric media!

3/22/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Brook Lopez is taking over.
This is the first time I'm watching the Lopez brothers play; I'm impressed easily..

3/22/08
0
Wow, that was a hell of a shot.

3/22/08
0
BAM! Brook Lopez! RISE AND FIRE!!!!

3/22/08
0
That certainly wasn't pretty, but it got it done!  The Fightin' Trees up by 1!

3/22/08
0
Damn a nice roll, and kiss off the backboard to probably win it.

3/22/08
1
Man do I hope the Wear twins do the same at North Carolina. It's the new rage, recruit one 6'10 and taller twin, get the second free.

3/22/08
0
Last chance for a good one for Gus. Poor guy must be chomping at the bit.

3/22/08
0
(Edited by Chief_aka_James)
gearhead wrote:
Last chance for a good one for Gus. Poor guy must be chomping at the bit.
I gotta feeling we, or Gus, will NOT be disappointed with this game.

I should hope its close.

3/22/08
0
THAT'S A WINDMILL!!!!  Atta boy Gus!

Oh course, Elmore follows it with an awful "Green Eggs and Ham" line.  *smacks head*

3/22/08
2
And of course it ****in goes to the UCLA game..

and Dick starts it off with his amazing commentary of "Its the West Regional in the West!"

3/22/08
0
Chief_aka_James wrote:
And of course it ****in goes to the UCLA game..

and Dick starts it off with his amazing commentary of "Its the West Regional in the West!"
Dick Enberg = John Madden?

3/22/08
0
MrNFL wrote:
Dick Enberg = John Madden?
Dick already admitted earlier that he's nuts on his cold medicine...so maybe its just the medicine that makes him not know where he is.

3/22/08
1
Anyone else think 60 Minutes is a lil late on the whole David Beckham thing?

You think showing an interview just now is supposed to do something for more people here to notice him or that one sport he plays?

3/22/08
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Chief_aka_James wrote:
Anyone else think 60 Minutes is a lil late on the whole David Beckham thing?

You think showing an interview just now is supposed to do something for more people here to notice him or that one sport he plays?
Especially with him now wanting to get out of his LA deal and go back to England.

3/22/08
0
Wait...Tiger has his own f'n Gatorade now?

When did that happen??

3/22/08
0
Chief_aka_James wrote:
Wait...Tiger has his own f'n Gatorade now?

When did that happen??
A while back. It is pretty good.

Is anyone else that picked UCLA to go to the title game starting to worry any at all?

3/22/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
A while back. It is pretty good.

Is anyone else that picked UCLA to go to the title game starting to worry any at all?
I have them winning it all -- and I will be worried if its this type of score with 5 minutes to go -- way to much time still left.

I was looking at the first few pages on these leaderboards, where the only teams that come out of the West Region is either UCLA, Duke, or Purdue...so if we're ALL wrong, it can't be that bad.

3/22/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
A while back. It is pretty good.

Is anyone else that picked UCLA to go to the title game starting to worry any at all?
Yes. I'm also worried that DeAndre Jordan is having a big game, thus convincing McHale to take him if he doesn't get the first or second pick.

3/22/08
0
Love nails 3 and down only 5.

3/22/08
0
Collison has been a BEAST tonight.

3/22/08
0
gearhead wrote:
Yes. I'm also worried that DeAndre Jordan is having a big game, thus convincing McHale to take him if he doesn't get the first or second pick.
Being in Big 12 country, I have seen a lot of Jordan and he is raw. He needs to stay in school another year instead of being thrown right in there at Minnesota, that would be bad if he was taken by them only because he is still a project.

3/22/08
0
I've never seen Love get up like that.

3/22/08
0
(Edited by Janse)
Jubanator14 wrote:
I've never seen Love get up like that.
Me too. He has always seemed like an obese, talented, kid who knows his way around a basketball. By obese I mean there is a reason why Howland calls a timeout every five minutes and no way would he last a whole NBA season, or even a college season in a more up-tempo offense.

3/22/08
0
Anybody else watching Mich. St./Pitt?  Neitzel is ballin'...

3/22/08
0
Is everyone else seeing the UCLA/A&M game but wanting to see the Pitt/MSU game?

3/22/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Is everyone else seeing the UCLA/A&M game but wanting to see the Pitt/MSU game?
I've had MSU/Pitt the whole time (thanks to being in Western PA). Fields just got hurt, which might the end of the Panthers.

3/22/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Is everyone else seeing the UCLA/A&M game but wanting to see the Pitt/MSU game?

It's not in my market...I'm watching on MMOD (through cbssportsline.com).  The much maligned Big 10 is about to get it's second team in the Sweet 16.

3/22/08
0
I wouldn't mind watching either; but am watching both...so no complaints here.

3/22/08
1
Izzo's wife isn't half bad.

3/22/08
0
(Edited by Jubanator14)
How old is Neitzel? He has a wife and kid? Turns out that was Izzo's wife. Whoops

3/22/08
0
Wow is Michigan St. trying to throw this one away?

3/22/08
0
Hello Louisville from last year. Glad I didn't bite on the Panthers wagon this year.

3/22/08
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Janse wrote:
Hello Louisville from last year. Glad I didn't bite on the Panthers wagon this year.
Me too. I picked MSU to win.

3/22/08
0
Mbah a Moute would have been better off not playing this game at all...dude is hurting this team more than helping them.

3/22/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
How old is Neitzel? He has a wife and kid? Turns out that was Izzo's wife. Whoops
I think that was Izzo's wife. Not sure how that got a PQ, unless I got it wrong.

3/22/08
0
Kevin Love is something else.

3/22/08
0
Love with back to back fall-away shots that just should not have fallen; but I won't complain that they did.

3/22/08
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(Edited by Shrugging Atlas)

One final thing from the Mich. St./Pitt game.  I constantly had to hear how these Big East teams, especially Pitt, would have trouble in the tourney because the games would be called closer by the refs.  I watched this whole game and for the most part, the refs swallowed the whistle and let the guys play.  Maybe these Big East teams aren't as "physical" as they want everybody to believe.

 

Thoughts?

3/22/08
0
It feels as if only Collison and Love are the only two guys on this Bruins team..

3/22/08
0
Where is this offense coming from? No one is scoring the entire game and then in the last 2 minutes everyone is scoring.

3/22/08
0
UCLA is my pick to win it all, so I'm not complaining, but Love got away with a major moving screen there for Collison.

3/22/08
0
Wow.

3/22/08
0
He was fouled.

3/22/08
2
What a horrible play call with 9 seconds left.

3/22/08
0
Awful play by A&M there at the end.  UCLA escapes!

3/22/08
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(Edited by Chief_aka_James)
That is one of the coolest looking finishers ever.

I don't care if it didn't count or not.

3/22/08
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Props to Texas A&M. They showed a lot more this tournament than I expected them to.

3/22/08
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(Edited by Janse)
UCLA rarely shows respect to their opponents. I am fine with that dunk, but earlier in the season they were up big and two of their players scored late baskets when they could have easily ran out the clock.

Congrats to UCLA, their rest of the path is easy to the Final Four.

3/22/08
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(Edited by Chief_aka_James)
Janse wrote:
What a horrible play call with 9 seconds left.
I've always thought; with 9 seconds left, right after that ball was scored by Collison, you just run as fast as you can to get across the halfcourt line, and set up a play with 5 seconds and not a need to run the extra 50 feet..

3/22/08
0
Chief_aka_James wrote:
I've always thought; with 9 seconds left, right after that ball was scored by Collison, you just run as fast as you can to get across the halfcourt line, and set up a play with 5 seconds and not a need to run the extra 50 feet..
Were you the one that pointed that strategy out yesterday, or the day before?

The percentages of getting a good shot from half court are much higher than when you have to travel the whole floor. I like it.

3/23/08
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Shrugging Atlas wrote:

One final thing from the Mich. St./Pitt game.  I constantly had to hear how these Big East teams, especially Pitt, would have trouble in the tourney because the games would be called closer by the refs.  I watched this whole game and for the most part, the refs swallowed the whistle and let the guys play.  Maybe these Big East teams aren't as "physical" as they want everybody to believe.

 

Thoughts?

Not to toot the Spartans horn, but Pittsburgh was pretty damn tough. I'd like to think they ran into a team that prides itself on being tougher. Even thought Wisconsin won the Big Ten, I'd say Pitt was a "tougher" team. Whatever that means.

Michigan State is a better tourney team because refs swallow their whistle in the tournament and just let players play. I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not to the Spartans, but I sure enjoy it.

3/23/08
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Janse wrote:
UCLA rarely shows respect to their opponents. I am fine with that dunk, but earlier in the season they were up big and two of their players scored late baskets when they could have easily ran out the clock.

Congrats to UCLA, their rest of the path is easy to the Final Four.
I wasn't a fan of that late dunk at all ... but then I thought back to the Texas A&M highlights when they won at Baylor and throw down an unnecessary last second dunk and immediately wished that UCLA had thrown an alley-oop or thereabouts. What goes around comes around.

3/23/08
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CriticalFanatic wrote:
Not to toot the Spartans horn, but Pittsburgh was pretty damn tough. I'd like to think they ran into a team that prides itself on being tougher. Even thought Wisconsin won the Big Ten, I'd say Pitt was a "tougher" team. Whatever that means.

Michigan State is a better tourney team because refs swallow their whistle in the tournament and just let players play. I'm not sure if that's a compliment or not to the Spartans, but I sure enjoy it.

I agree with you...I think you may have read too far into what I was saying.  I'm saying that Michigan State was the better team and the Big Ten - as a conference - is often overlooked.

 

The point I was trying to make was that if you had said the refs were going to "swallow their whistles" prior to this game, everybody would have been talking about how that would play right into Pitt's hands.

3/23/08
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I was checking the bracket contest, and I must point out that only one "expert" has lost two of his Final Four picks already. I don't think I have to tell you who it was.

3/23/08
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gearhead wrote:
I was checking the bracket contest, and I must point out that only one "expert" has lost two of his Final Four picks already. I don't think I have to tell you who it was.
Is it our newest Expert Bob Knight?

3/23/08
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Shrugging Atlas wrote:

I agree with you...I think you may have read too far into what I was saying.  I'm saying that Michigan State was the better team and the Big Ten - as a conference - is often overlooked.

 

The point I was trying to make was that if you had said the refs were going to "swallow their whistles" prior to this game, everybody would have been talking about how that would play right into Pitt's hands.

I agree. I would have said Pittsburgh as well. Then again (I'll keep this short, as it could be lengthy) whenever the refs in the Big Ten got happy whistles -- so 9 times out of 10, see: Duke-WVU game -- Michigan State loses.

It's a simple formula as far as I've seen. I hate to give the officials too much credit in deciding an outcome, but Michigan State is one of the teams that benefits greatly by the way tournament games are called.

3/23/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Is it our newest Expert Bob Knight?
No. A more familiar face.

3/23/08
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gearhead wrote:
No. A more familiar face.
I just looked. I was not surprised by that at all.

3/23/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
Is it our newest Expert Bob Knight?
Come on Jub ... you and I should have both known better than to roll with Pittsburgh after seeing ______ pick them. He also went with USC in the Final Four.

Hard to believe this guy is paid handsomely.

3/23/08
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CriticalFanatic wrote:
Come on Jub ... you and I should have both known better than to roll with Pittsburgh after seeing ______ pick them. He also went with USC in the Final Four.

Hard to believe this guy is paid handsomely.
I actually went with your Spartans to beat Pitt. I went with the "Everyone is picking them so they will lose early... like every Big East team that everyone falls in love with does."

3/23/08
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Jubanator14 wrote:
I actually went with your Spartans to beat Pitt. I went with the "Everyone is picking them so they will lose early... like every Big East team that everyone falls in love with does."
Damn, you're way smarter than I.

3/23/08
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(Edited by Chief_aka_James)
Ugh. I could've sworn I did pick Mich. St to win over Pitt -- and I did on the other 5 online brackets..but of course on the FanIQ one, I put Pittsburgh for some odd reason...

evil mouse clicking probably.

3/23/08
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I feel pretty good about my place in the pool right now plus I am leading the recruiting and have one of my recruits on the first page and there are a lot of unrecruited members leading so I am feeling pretty good.

3/23/08
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Right now, I'm proof you can lose the contest in the first weekend, not win it. My entire Elite Eight is in tact (for now), so I can hold out hope for a respectable finish.

3/23/08
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gearhead wrote:
Right now, I'm proof you can lose the contest in the first weekend, not win it. My entire Elite Eight is in tact (for now), so I can hold out hope for a respectable finish.
I've only lost 3 Sweet 16's and 0 Elite 8's

 
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