NFL Hall of Fame - Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf
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The Pro Football Hall of Fame has announced their Class of 2012

2/4/12 in NFL   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

The 2012 class of the Pro Football Hall of Fame has been announced, and Adam Schefter is reporting that this year's inductees are Jack Butler, Dermontti Dawson, Chris Doleman, Cortez Kennedy, Curtis Martin and Willie Roaf.

Butler was a cornerback for the Pittsburgh Steelers from 1951 to 1959. He had 52 career interceptions, and 4 for touchdowns. He was a 4-time Pro Bowler and 3-time first team All-Pro.

Dawson, an offensive lineman, also played for the Steelers, from 1988 to 2000. This was his 3rd time as a HOF finalist (2009 and 2010) and was a semi-finalist in 2006, 2007 and 2008. He made 7 Pro Bowls and was a 6-time first team All-Pro.

Doleman was an outside linebacker for the Vikings, Falcons and 49ers from 1985 to 1999. He led the NFL with 21 sacks in 1989, made it to 8 Pro Bowls and was a first team All-Pro twice.

Cortez Kennedy played defensive tackle for the Seahawks from 1990 to 2000. This was his third time as a HOF finalist. He had 58 career sacks and was an 8-time Pro Bowler and a 3-time first team All-Pro.

Martin was a running back for the Patriots and Jets from 1995 to 2005. He's the only player in NFL history to rush for 1000 yards for his first 10 seasons. He finished with 14,101 career rushing yards, good for 4th place all-time. He was a 5-time Pro Bowler and was first team All-Pro once.

Roaf was an offensive tackle for the Saints and the Chiefs from 1993 to 2005. He anchored the Chiefs offensive line for years, when they had one of the best offenses in the league towards the end of his career. He was an 11-time Pro Bowler and a 3-time first team All-Pro.

Some notable snubs: Bill Parcells, Cris Carter, Charles Haley
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2/8/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
LOL- Okayyyy- not a Bosworth  fan are you?

Most true Seahawk fans have a deep seeded hatred for 'The Boz'... myself included

2/8/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
can I have some of what you drink- Cortez was a helluva player but better than Haley and Bettis- okayyyyy

It comes down to supporting casts.  Haley and Bettis were pieces of great teams, Tez was the team.

2/8/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
your entitled to your opinion :-)

Yep, and you're entitled to yours. I will say though, that Seahawks fans in general are not big fans of Bosworth. Most of the people who like him are either fans of other teams, or they weren't Seahawks fans when he played for them.

2/8/12   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
now how long ago did Shell play- bout 30 yrs ago- was Sharper alive then?

Haha... you gotta watch the video. Be warned... It has a few swears, but it's hilarious. Click here and start laughing. My earlier comment referenced what he says at the 0:43 mark. Enjoy.

2/8/12   |   alainpeartree   |   6872 respect

Jess wrote:
 Not even a little bit. 

your entitled to your opinion :-)

2/8/12   |   alainpeartree   |   6872 respect

Pat wrote:
Actually, Darren Sharper is the most hardest hitting safety in da league.

now how long ago did Shell play- bout 30 yrs ago- was Sharper alive then?

2/8/12   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
whoa,,,,, Shell and Greenwood are not in the HOF- - - - - Donnie Shell was always considered the hardest hitting safety in the NFL? Travesty I say

Actually, Darren Sharper is the most hardest hitting safety in da league.

2/8/12   |   anthonyrichardlouisnaught   |   1754 respect

How can anyone be a fan of an over-hyped steroids induced idiot who was out of the league in 3 years that has now given us some really horrible acting performances to go with his acting like a professional athelete. All because he went to the football factory that was known as Tom Osbourne's Nebraska Cornhuskers.

2/8/12   |   anthonyrichardlouisnaught   |   1754 respect

Dan_B wrote:
How is there no talk here about how absurd it is that Cris Carter and Tim Brown didn't get in? Two of the best receivers of all time. 

as far as Tim Brown not getting in, that is a true travesty, but I think the real problem with Cris Carter not getting in is the early drug use that helped curtail his career, and then being the 2nd best receiver on his team when Randy Moss joined Minnesota.

2/8/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
LOL- Okayyyy- not a Bosworth  fan are you?

 Not even a little bit. 

2/8/12   |   alainpeartree   |   6872 respect

Jess wrote:
Bosworth was a tool. 


(sorry, knee-jerk reaction to his name. But true, nonetheless)

LOL- Okayyyy- not a Bosworth  fan are you?

2/8/12   |   alainpeartree   |   6872 respect

xtra_ill wrote:
Your dad went to Alderdice?

I would have preferred to see Donnie Shell and LC Greenwood get in first before any Steelers that played later get in.

whoa,,,,, Shell and Greenwood are not in the HOF- - - - - Donnie Shell was always considered the hardest hitting safety in the NFL? Travesty I say

2/8/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
yes- just as Bosworth career got cut short

Bosworth was a tool. 


(sorry, knee-jerk reaction to his name. But true, nonetheless)

2/8/12   |   alainpeartree   |   6872 respect

Jess wrote:
Did you ever see him play?

yes- just as Bosworth career got cut short

2/8/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

alainpeartree wrote:
can I have some of what you drink- Cortez was a helluva player but better than Haley and Bettis- okayyyyy

Did you ever see him play?

2/8/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

jayberwanger5150 wrote:
Carter has always been a jerk to the media. Guys like Carter and Ricky Watters have been very difficult with the media. The media never forgets these characters.

Oh I'm sorry, I thought we were talking about the PRO FOOTBALL HALL OF FAME not the Pro Media Buttkissing Hall of Fame. These media folks are so stupid that they think that this is about THEM. The HOF is (and should be to the voters) about what you did PLAYING FOOTBALL, not if you rolled out the red carpet for every interviewer and writer. These "grudges" that the media holds towards players are just plain ridiculous. They should dip their heads in kerosene, pop a menthol in their mouth, then light it.

2/8/12   |   jayberwanger5150   |   5 respect

Jess wrote:
I've always loved Cris Carter, and I think that he definitely deserves to be in. The HOF voting committee certainly doesn't always do what makes sense...I'm sure he'll be in there eventually though. I don't even want to talk about Randy Moss...I have a dislike for that guy that's beyond compare, dating back to when he played with Carter. 

That said, what qualities should guarantee a first ballot HOF election? I just wonder how great a player or coach has to be, what they have to accomplish, in order to get in immediately. I truly am shocked that Parcells wasn't elected this time.

Carter has always been a jerk to the media. Guys like Carter and Ricky Watters have been very difficult with the media. The media never forgets these characters.

2/8/12   |   alainpeartree   |   6872 respect

beerstudk wrote:
'Tez played on terrible Seahawk teams and was double-teamed during the national anthem, but still had 8 double digit sack seasons.  I agree that CC should be in the HOF 1st ballot, but 'Tez was a better player than Haley and 'The Bus'

can I have some of what you drink- Cortez was a helluva player but better than Haley and Bettis- okayyyyy

2/8/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

I've always loved Cris Carter, and I think that he definitely deserves to be in. The HOF voting committee certainly doesn't always do what makes sense...I'm sure he'll be in there eventually though. I don't even want to talk about Randy Moss...I have a dislike for that guy that's beyond compare, dating back to when he played with Carter. 

That said, what qualities should guarantee a first ballot HOF election? I just wonder how great a player or coach has to be, what they have to accomplish, in order to get in immediately. I truly am shocked that Parcells wasn't elected this time.

2/8/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

Dan_B wrote:
How is there no talk here about how absurd it is that Cris Carter and Tim Brown didn't get in? Two of the best receivers of all time. 

Exactly. It makes you wonder if receivers like Terrell Owens, Marvin Harrison, and Randy Moss have a chance of getting in if Carter & Brown aren't in. And one could make a strong case for former Broncos receiver Rod Smith as well.

2/7/12   |   Dan_B   |   1067 respect

How is there no talk here about how absurd it is that Cris Carter and Tim Brown didn't get in? Two of the best receivers of all time. 

2/7/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

Pat wrote:
So true. That's the same reason I laugh at people who say that a Super Bowl loss tarnishes Brady's legacy. Tell that to the 30 other QBs who didn't even MAKE it that far.

At the end of the day, I'd rather be 3-2 as a starting quarterback in Super Bowls than 0-0. IJS.

2/7/12   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

WhoDat12 wrote:
I've heard the case made against Jim Kelly several times and no he did not win a Super Bowl, but he helped lead his team to four Super Bowls....in a row. Not many quarterbacks (if any) can say that.

So true. That's the same reason I laugh at people who say that a Super Bowl loss tarnishes Brady's legacy. Tell that to the 30 other QBs who didn't even MAKE it that far.

2/7/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

kramer wrote:
Lots of players with multiple championships DO get in, but if we're using that as a qualification, not ONE of this year's inductees ever makes it into Canton, and neither does Dan Marino or Jim Kelly.

I've heard the case made against Jim Kelly several times and no he did not win a Super Bowl, but he helped lead his team to four Super Bowls....in a row. Not many quarterbacks (if any) can say that.

2/7/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

Jess wrote:
Cortez Kennedy  = 4th consecutive time as a finalist*

and I'm doing this - 

I cried a little. 

I'm a bit shocked at Bill Parcells not making it. 

And actually I'm not sold on the whole "Super Bowl Rings" being a gauge to measure HOF careers. Rings are a team accomplishment...I think HOF careers should be based on individual accomplishments. Maybe I'm delusional.

No Jess, you're not delusional (if you are I am as well because I agree). Championships are team accomplishments.  An elite player on an awful team has less chance of winning a championship than a good player on a great team.  There are no one-man rock bands in professional football.  To use Super Bowls as a determining factor of being in the Hall of Fame is plain ridiculous.  Dan Marino never won one. Anyone thinks that he doesn't deserve to be immortalized in Canton? Brad Johnson won a Super Bowl...anyone have him on their HOF ballot? Are we going to find out what size yellow jacket Jim McMahon wears? He won a Super Bowl as well.  On the other hand, a player like Joe Namath is in with his one Super Bowl ring and totally mediocre career numbers (50% completion, 173 TD-220 INT). If there's no "guarantee" he's not getting anywhere near Canton and may not even be allowed in the state of Ohio.  So no, you're not delusional, but apparently some of the voters are. *Rant Complete*

2/7/12   |   xtra_ill   |   539 respect

kramer wrote:
This HOF class has a Pittsburgh flavor to it.  There are 2 Steelers and 2 players from Pitt (Doleman and Martin).  Martin was born and raised here, and graduated from the same high school as my dad (years later of course).

Your dad went to Alderdice?

I would have preferred to see Donnie Shell and LC Greenwood get in first before any Steelers that played later get in.

2/7/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 If the Hall of Fame has nothing to do with Super Bowl championships, then why do most NFL broadcasters constantly remind us of how many Steelers off their championship years are in their?  Cowboys from 70's and 90's?  Bill Walsh 49ers?  Obviously I am fighting a losing battle over Cortez Kennedy so I will give up on that conversation, but am still convinced Warren Sapp should now get his speech ready since he is the most dominant interior defensive lineman I have seen in the last 20 years.  A lot of Bronco fans from the 70's believe Randy Gradishar should be in their. From the Elway led years, Atwater and Dennis Smith would have strong arguments much the same as I would argue for Seahawk greats like Kenny Easley and Curt Warner to be in their.  Romo and Lyle Alzado are most likely being kept out because of the same reasons the entire MLB power hitters from the 90's are.  One word Steroids and other performance drugs!

 I would say Atwater and Sapp should be in there over Easley or Warner...a lot of guys before them, actually. Not to discredit what they did with the Seahawks but there are a lot of people who are more deserving than they are at this point in time. 


2/6/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 If the Hall of Fame has nothing to do with Super Bowl championships, then why do most NFL broadcasters constantly remind us of how many Steelers off their championship years are in their?  Cowboys from 70's and 90's?  Bill Walsh 49ers?  Obviously I am fighting a losing battle over Cortez Kennedy so I will give up on that conversation, but am still convinced Warren Sapp should now get his speech ready since he is the most dominant interior defensive lineman I have seen in the last 20 years.  A lot of Bronco fans from the 70's believe Randy Gradishar should be in their. From the Elway led years, Atwater and Dennis Smith would have strong arguments much the same as I would argue for Seahawk greats like Kenny Easley and Curt Warner to be in their.  Romo and Lyle Alzado are most likely being kept out because of the same reasons the entire MLB power hitters from the 90's are.  One word Steroids and other performance drugs!

Lots of players with multiple championships DO get in, but if we're using that as a qualification, not ONE of this year's inductees ever makes it into Canton, and neither does Dan Marino or Jim Kelly.

2/6/12   |   huskerdoug2009   |   2790 respect

 If the Hall of Fame has nothing to do with Super Bowl championships, then why do most NFL broadcasters constantly remind us of how many Steelers off their championship years are in their?  Cowboys from 70's and 90's?  Bill Walsh 49ers?  Obviously I am fighting a losing battle over Cortez Kennedy so I will give up on that conversation, but am still convinced Warren Sapp should now get his speech ready since he is the most dominant interior defensive lineman I have seen in the last 20 years.  A lot of Bronco fans from the 70's believe Randy Gradishar should be in their. From the Elway led years, Atwater and Dennis Smith would have strong arguments much the same as I would argue for Seahawk greats like Kenny Easley and Curt Warner to be in their.  Romo and Lyle Alzado are most likely being kept out because of the same reasons the entire MLB power hitters from the 90's are.  One word Steroids and other performance drugs!

2/6/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 So I guess I am confused.  By this post if you play in a small or media ignored region of the country and your the team's best player your automatically a Hall of Famer?  I grew up in Denver area and have watched only Shannon Sharpe and John Elway get in the Hall of Fame off teams that played in 5 Super Bowls and won 2 in the 1990's.  The list of players that should be in from that group as well as the group from the Orange Crush defense of the 70's should include at least 5 more in Canton.  However none of those players has been deemed worthy by voters.     

Tez was more than just the best player for the '90's Seahawks, he was the best interior lineman in the NFL as well.  The dude was double-teamed in the parking lot on his way into the locker room and still put up solid numbers.  If what you said about 'the best player on the team automatically being a Hall of Famer' was true, Bernie Kosar and Vinny Testeverde would both be in the HOF.

As for your Broncos, I could maybe see Steve Atwater and Romo in the HOF.  TD only played 4 or 5 years, they were great years but too few.  Gary Zimmerman also made it into the HOF btw.  Nobody else desereved to be in the Hall that I can think of.

2/6/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 So I guess I am confused.  By this post if you play in a small or media ignored region of the country and your the team's best player your automatically a Hall of Famer?  I grew up in Denver area and have watched only Shannon Sharpe and John Elway get in the Hall of Fame off teams that played in 5 Super Bowls and won 2 in the 1990's.  The list of players that should be in from that group as well as the group from the Orange Crush defense of the 70's should include at least 5 more in Canton.  However none of those players has been deemed worthy by voters.     

It doesn't have to do with Super Bowl rings, it's definitely individual accomplishments.  Look at this year's class, none of them ever got one.
-Kennedy never did.
-Roaf never did.
-Jack Butler played for the Steelers in the '50s when they were complete trash.
-Dawson played in SB 30 for the Steelers, but was long retired when they won SB 40.
-Doleman went to the Niners after the team won #5.
-Curtis Martin was on the Jets by the time the Patriots started winning their Super Bowls.

2/6/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 So I guess I am confused.  By this post if you play in a small or media ignored region of the country and your the team's best player your automatically a Hall of Famer?  I grew up in Denver area and have watched only Shannon Sharpe and John Elway get in the Hall of Fame off teams that played in 5 Super Bowls and won 2 in the 1990's.  The list of players that should be in from that group as well as the group from the Orange Crush defense of the 70's should include at least 5 more in Canton.  However none of those players has been deemed worthy by voters.     

 "So I guess I am confused.  By this post if you play in a small or media ignored region of the country and your the team's best player your automatically a Hall of Famer? "

Uhm what? No. That's not what I'm saying at all, and I don't think that's what anybody else has said.

Basically if Tez had played for any other team, putting up the same numbers, chances are good that he wouldn't have had to wait until the 4th time to finally get elected in.

And I don't think it has anything to do with Super Bowl rings. As I said before; winning the Super Bowl is a team accomplishment - the Hall of Fame recognizes individual accomplishments. I realize that with coaches and other football figures it's different, and that Super Bowl wins come more into play with them. But with players, I don't think the Super Bowl has near as much to do with it as some people seem to think or want. 

2/6/12   |   huskerdoug2009   |   2790 respect

 So I guess I am confused.  By this post if you play in a small or media ignored region of the country and your the team's best player your automatically a Hall of Famer?  I grew up in Denver area and have watched only Shannon Sharpe and John Elway get in the Hall of Fame off teams that played in 5 Super Bowls and won 2 in the 1990's.  The list of players that should be in from that group as well as the group from the Orange Crush defense of the 70's should include at least 5 more in Canton.  However none of those players has been deemed worthy by voters.     

2/6/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

beerstudk wrote:
'Tez played on terrible Seahawk teams and was double-teamed during the national anthem, but still had 8 double digit sack seasons.  I agree that CC should be in the HOF 1st ballot, but 'Tez was a better player than Haley and 'The Bus'

 I've been getting a lot of "Well Tez shouldn't have made it because (insert random player here) isn't in it" flawed logic. I don't get it. 

And if it takes Walter Jones as long as it took Tez to finally get in once he's eligible, I'll pitch a fit.

2/6/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 When I think of the Hall of Fame, I think of players that were the elite of the game at the time they played.  Chris Doleman was not elite, nor for that matter was Cortez Kenndey.  Jerome Bettis should have gotten in before both of them, as should have Chris Carter and Charles Haley.  I am happy that the Hall recognized Willie Roaf and Dermonti Dawson for their outstanding careers as well, especially the Dawson that was so great before injuries curtailed his career earlier than it should have.

'Tez played on terrible Seahawk teams and was double-teamed during the national anthem, but still had 8 double digit sack seasons.  I agree that CC should be in the HOF 1st ballot, but 'Tez was a better player than Haley and 'The Bus'

2/6/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

WhoDat12 wrote:
Well you know how it is, you're only elite if you play in a "big market" or for an "elite" team.  Kennedy was as dominant & disruptive as any DT I've seen in my time. Well deserved and along overdue IMHO

 

2/6/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 No disrespect Jess, just saying outside of seattle and the U. does anyone recall those numbers for Kennedy?  He might be Hall of Fame however Haley, Bettis and Carter should have gone before him this year.  How does an all decade team member take 4 times to make it and then suddenly make it this year is my question?

That's the problem - he played in Seattle. Not to sound like I have a chip on my shoulder, but Seattle doesn't get a whole lot of respect in the media and around the league, and I'm sure that doesn't end with the voting committee. He's been a finalist four times - I can't say why he suddenly made it this year, if he only made it because this year's class was a weak class (though I'm not sure I agree with that sentiment either) but I can say that he should have made it before now. I also know how many players I've seen discuss the subject agree that he was long overdue. 

2/6/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

To borrow a line from Mike Tyson: If Cris Carter is not in the Hall of Fame, there should be no Hall of Fame!

2/6/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

Jeff_P wrote:
really....if you look at PARCELLS record.......BIG DEAL....never thought of him as a HOFer.........OVER RATED .......

If you think Bill Parcells is overrated, you must also think that Eric Mangini is the greatest coach of all time

2/6/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

I still lament the day that the Saints decided to let Willie Roaf go. He was one of my favorite Saints of all-time, even got an opportunity to meet him after a preseason game. An outstanding offensive lineman and an all around class act.

2/6/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

Jess wrote:
Cortez Kennedy was not elite in the time he played? 

8 double-digit sack seasons
8 Pro Bowl selections
3 First team All-Pro selections
NFL All-Decade team
Retired with 58 sacks

Pretty damn good for a DT. He played for a crappy team his entire career and put up these numbers. To listen to quarterbacks and other offensive players when he played, he was feared around the league. Even if I wasn't biased, I would say he was elite.

Well you know how it is, you're only elite if you play in a "big market" or for an "elite" team.  Kennedy was as dominant & disruptive as any DT I've seen in my time. Well deserved and along overdue IMHO

2/6/12   |   huskerdoug2009   |   2790 respect

Jess wrote:
Cortez Kennedy was not elite in the time he played? 

8 double-digit sack seasons
8 Pro Bowl selections
3 First team All-Pro selections
NFL All-Decade team
Retired with 58 sacks

Pretty damn good for a DT. He played for a crappy team his entire career and put up these numbers. To listen to quarterbacks and other offensive players when he played, he was feared around the league. Even if I wasn't biased, I would say he was elite.

 No disrespect Jess, just saying outside of seattle and the U. does anyone recall those numbers for Kennedy?  He might be Hall of Fame however Haley, Bettis and Carter should have gone before him this year.  How does an all decade team member take 4 times to make it and then suddenly make it this year is my question?

2/5/12   |   anthonyrichardlouisnaught   |   1754 respect

Jess wrote:
Cortez Kennedy  = 4th consecutive time as a finalist*

and I'm doing this - 

I cried a little. 

I'm a bit shocked at Bill Parcells not making it. 

And actually I'm not sold on the whole "Super Bowl Rings" being a gauge to measure HOF careers. Rings are a team accomplishment...I think HOF careers should be based on individual accomplishments. Maybe I'm delusional.

Parcells is a Hall of Fame coach, anyone who doesn't think so needs to see the coaching tree he's planted all over the NFL (Belicheck, Coughlin to name a couple) who have had success and won Super Bowls working under him. And then they need to put the bong down and stop drinking the water from it.

2/5/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

huskerdoug2009 wrote:
 When I think of the Hall of Fame, I think of players that were the elite of the game at the time they played.  Chris Doleman was not elite, nor for that matter was Cortez Kenndey.  Jerome Bettis should have gotten in before both of them, as should have Chris Carter and Charles Haley.  I am happy that the Hall recognized Willie Roaf and Dermonti Dawson for their outstanding careers as well, especially the Dawson that was so great before injuries curtailed his career earlier than it should have.
(Edited by Jess)

Cortez Kennedy was not elite in the time he played? 

8 double-digit sack seasons
8 Pro Bowl selections
3 First team All-Pro selections
NFL All-Decade team
Retired with 58 sacks

Pretty damn good for a DT. He played for a crappy team his entire career and put up these numbers. To listen to quarterbacks and other offensive players when he played, he was feared around the league. Even if I wasn't biased, I would say he was elite.

2/5/12   |   huskerdoug2009   |   2790 respect

 When I think of the Hall of Fame, I think of players that were the elite of the game at the time they played.  Chris Doleman was not elite, nor for that matter was Cortez Kenndey.  Jerome Bettis should have gotten in before both of them, as should have Chris Carter and Charles Haley.  I am happy that the Hall recognized Willie Roaf and Dermonti Dawson for their outstanding careers as well, especially the Dawson that was so great before injuries curtailed his career earlier than it should have.

2/5/12   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

The Patriots, Jets and Cowboys combined records the year before Parcells showed up: 8-40
Their combined record in their first season under Parcells: 24-24
Their combined record in their second season under Parcells: 28-20
The Cowboys actually drag down the 2nd year number, because they were 6-10.
Patriots and Jets only, the year before Parcells: 3-29
Patriots and Jets, in Parcells' second season: 22-10
That's a huge improvement.

2/5/12   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Jeff_P wrote:
really....if you look at PARCELLS record.......BIG DEAL....never thought of him as a HOFer.........OVER RATED .......

Some branches off of Parcells' coaching tree: Bill Belichick, Tom Coughlin, Sean Payton, Romeo Crennel, Charlie Weis, Tony Sparano, Eric Mangini and more.

Also, he made a habit of taking over TERRIBLE teams and building them up to playoff teams within an extremely short period of time. Not to mention the 2 Super Bowl championships.

If you don't think Parcells is a Hall of Famer, you just haven't been paying attention.

2/4/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

This HOF class has a Pittsburgh flavor to it.  There are 2 Steelers and 2 players from Pitt (Doleman and Martin).  Martin was born and raised here, and graduated from the same high school as my dad (years later of course).

2/4/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Jeff_P wrote:
really....if you look at PARCELLS record.......BIG DEAL....never thought of him as a HOFer.........OVER RATED .......

I disagree 110%.  Parcells is a HOF coach.  He got every single team he ever coached to the playoffs.  That includes the Giants, Pats (both of which he took to the SB), Jets, Cowboys, and GM for the Dolphins the year after they went 1-15.

2/4/12   |   Jeff_P   |   19893 respect

Jess wrote:
Cortez Kennedy  = 4th consecutive time as a finalist*

and I'm doing this - 

I cried a little. 

I'm a bit shocked at Bill Parcells not making it. 

And actually I'm not sold on the whole "Super Bowl Rings" being a gauge to measure HOF careers. Rings are a team accomplishment...I think HOF careers should be based on individual accomplishments. Maybe I'm delusional.

really....if you look at PARCELLS record.......BIG DEAL....never thought of him as a HOFer.........OVER RATED .......

2/4/12   |   Jess   |   34862 respect

Cortez Kennedy  = 4th consecutive time as a finalist*

and I'm doing this - 

I cried a little. 

I'm a bit shocked at Bill Parcells not making it. 

And actually I'm not sold on the whole "Super Bowl Rings" being a gauge to measure HOF careers. Rings are a team accomplishment...I think HOF careers should be based on individual accomplishments. Maybe I'm delusional.

2/4/12   |   Jeff_P   |   19893 respect

WOW............NO HALEY.......5 SUPER BOWL rings........JEROME BETTIS...............not in.......CRIS CARTER....not in again......WOW................

2/4/12   |   Scott   |   53735 respect

I thought for sure Charles Haley would be a Hall of Famer before Chris Doleman