NFL Week 8 Thread: Hopefully the Dolphins Won't Offend London Fans

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Picks today...

Colts over Panthers by a TD or more.
Titans over Raiders, but the Raiders beat that insanely high spread.
Browns over Rams in the Toilet Bowl
Vikings to beat the Eagles.
Giants big in jolly England.
Steelers over Bengals.
Bears over Lions.
UPSET: Jaguars over Buccaneers
Chargers over Texans.
UPSET: Bills over Jets
UPSET: 49ers over Saints.
Pats over Skins, but Washington beats spread.
Broncos beat Packers close.

10/28/07

0	I'm kind of pissed off - I had been hoping to watch the game from London, but at the last minute we got switched to Bears/Lions. They showed the national anthems, maybe they will forget to switch us back.

10/28/07

1	Looks like an incredible crowd in England. It's a shame they got such a crappy game, because I think they're going to enjoy this. Almost 100,000 people there. But I still don't think that having games over there is a good idea. Teams shouldn't really have to give up home games and travel across the pond.

10/28/07

0	Miami/NYG and Ind/Car for the early games. Washington/NE later.

10/28/07

0	I've got Colts/Panthers and Lions/Bearssss with Pats/Wash later TD in the Toilet Bowl, Rams on the board.

10/28/07

0	(Edited by Jon) I'm sure the English fans are all saying Jonny Wilkinson would have done much better. (In case you couldn't tell, I found access to the game from London. In a perfectly legal way. Yeah.....)

10/28/07

0	Jon wrote: I'm sure the English fans are all saying Jonny Wilkinson would have done much better. (In case you couldn't tell, I found access to the game from London. In a perfectly legal way. Yeah.....) How so?

10/28/07

0	TD Panthers. Colts D looked lost on that drive, they couldn't stop anyone.

10/28/07

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Chief_aka_James wrote:

Miami/NYG and Ind/Car for the early games. Washington/NE later.

Same here. Can't wait to see the Pats game.

The Panthers look great so far against the Colts defense. Makes me think that the Patriots could do pretty well next week, if 43-year old Vinny Testaverde can march his team down the field like that. Excellent drive, Carolina runs 12 minutes off the clock, and puts up 7.

10/28/07

0	How about a drive of 11:01 for a TD early? Go Vinny!

10/28/07

CriticalFanatic

0	TD Panthers ... this could be fun

10/28/07

0	Toomer WIDE open, but high throw; next play being rushed, threw it wide...Eli not looking too great.

10/28/07

0	TD Vikes, FG Giants.

10/28/07

0	How often do you see Robbie Gould flat out miss?

10/28/07

0	If I'm going to be stuck with the same commercial playing on both of the screens I'm watching, I'm very glad that the music is Wilco, rather than John Mellencamp.

10/28/07

0	Ugh...Colts can't do anything right currently...

10/28/07

0	Leave it to the Panthers to screw up a punt return. Colts ball!

10/28/07

CriticalFanatic

0	Nice work by Minnesota ... went for onside kick and got it after the touchdown.

10/28/07

0	Only about 1 min 3 & out drive by Peyton, and Carolina fumbles the punt...Indy in the RZ

10/28/07

0	Looks like the Rams finally woke up. Up two TD's.

10/28/07

0	Colts on the board, but still aren't looking very good.

10/28/07

0	TD Steelers, Ben to Ward.

10/28/07

0	These "Viva Viagra" commercials are just ridiculous.

10/28/07

1	MrNFL wrote: These "Viva Viagra" commercials are just ridiculous. How could a dignified, self-respecting man actually be in one of those commercials? Wait...I think I might have just answered my own question...

10/28/07

0	Jeff Feagles is one of the Giants' captains? I wonder how many teams chose their punter as a captain.

10/28/07

1	Pat wrote: Jeff Feagles is one of the Giants' captains? I wonder how many teams chose their punter as a captain. Most teams have at least one special teams captain, considering Jeff Feagles is insanely old, it makes sense.

10/28/07

1	Pat wrote: Jeff Feagles is one of the Giants' captains? I wonder how many teams chose their punter as a captain. And to answer your question, 4 teams have punters as captains. Feagles, Brian Moorman, Shane Lechler, and Craig Hentrich are those punters.

10/28/07

0	Thanks. That article was a good read, too. I like stuff like that.

10/28/07

0	The 49ers have 14 captains? Holy crap...

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: The 49ers have 14 captains? Holy crap... Which is really strange, considering the top of the article says "Teams appointing season-long captains qualify for up to six captains to wear the letter “C” on the upper right chest of their jerseys."

10/28/07

0	As they should be doing, the Steelers are chewing up the Bengals secondary. Another Ward TD.

10/28/07

0	Ummm...so...how does that work? I feel like you should know. Considering you're "Mr. NFL" and everything...

10/28/07

0	Anyone else get annoyed by James Brown after reading a gamebreak? The way says, "Now back to Jim..............(long pause)...and Phil!"

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: Ummm...so...how does that work? I feel like you should know. Considering you're "Mr. NFL" and everything... My guess would be that only 6 can wear the C...but they can say as many people as they want are captains. For some reason, the NFL.com commercial with John Lynch pops in my mind..."We've got 11 leaders on this defense..."

10/28/07

1	"He's actually a pleasurable guy to get to know" That doesn't sound quite right.

10/28/07

0	(Edited by MrNFL) They should challenge and overturn that. That's an incomplete pass, not a fumble IMO. On second look.....FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF!!! Freaking Colts are awful today...

10/28/07

0	These are some low scoring games so far...

10/28/07

0	Two Things from Bears/Lions. 1, That was a horrible idea by Greise, his guy had no shot. 2, Why's Kennedy coming out of the endzone with that pick? From a touchback to the ball at the 5...

10/28/07

0	That's the Vinny we know and love. INT Colts!

10/28/07

0	Eli Manning ran for a 10 yard TD? What?? Wow, the Dolphins D is THAT bad.

10/28/07

0	TD Lions. I just couldn't give up on my NFC Super Bowl pick. Maybe I should of, my god the Lions may win...

10/28/07

Nick

0	MrNFL wrote: That's the Vinny we know and love. INT Colts! About time, Peyton was looking AWFUL. Unfortunately, I can't watch the game, stupid Giants/Dolphins game...

10/28/07

1	I know as a Packer fans I should logically want the Bears to win, but I'm so glad the Lions are winning. The very last thing I want is for the Bears to get some momentum and starting winning again.

10/28/07

0	Colts FINALLY show up offensively...

10/28/07

0	I understand their reasoning for not showing people on TV when they run out onto the field, but I really wanted to see that crazy Brit.

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: I understand their reasoning for not showing people on TV when they run out onto the field, but I really wanted to see that crazy Brit. They only get one game and they have a streaker? I really wish Fox here was showing that game.

10/28/07

0	TD COLTS!!! They've finally figured it out.

10/28/07

0	Hanson's kick....BONG! Bears still have a chance, but boy they suck right now.

10/28/07

0	Hmm, a David Carr sighting. Wow, great catch by Braylon Edwards. TD Browns. Edwards is evoling into an elite receiver.

10/28/07

1	Argh; I ordered pizza over an hour ago and they said 30-40 minutes...I'm hungry

10/28/07

0	Wayne deep, TD Colts!!! Byahhhh!!!

10/28/07

0	Pizza man...where are you.... It just better be Roy Williams or I'm going to have to say a word or two.

10/28/07

CriticalFanatic

0	curses, curses, curses

10/28/07

0	Wow, what a costly fumble there. If any team can blow a game, it's the Lions.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Wow, what a costly fumble there. If any team can blow a game, it's the Lions. If Drew Stanton ends up being as good as they think he can be the Lions have a good future though. Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams is one scary combo, especially with Mike Furrey in the slot.

10/28/07

0	kantwistaye wrote: If Drew Stanton ends up being as good as they think he can be the Lions have a good future though. Calvin Johnson and Roy Williams is one scary combo, especially with Mike Furrey in the slot. Heck, their 2nd best receiver this year has been Shaun McDonald! If they can get a consistent offensive line, they could have a top 5 NFL offense.

10/28/07

0	Final, Steelers 24, Bengals 13.

10/28/07

0	Titans D wins them another game, 13-9 over Raiders.

10/28/07

0	Wow, what a catch by Kevin Curtis.

10/28/07

0	NFL Sunday just doesn't seem the same when your team is on a bye...

10/28/07

0	LOL Ref in Bears/Lions "There is no penalty for 12 men on the field....there was only 11..."

10/28/07

0	Miami will win a game this year. They are playing the Giants too close right now. They're a horrible team, but I don't think they'll lose EVERY game.

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: Miami will win a game this year. They are playing the Giants too close right now. They're a horrible team, but I don't think they'll lose EVERY game. Of course, no one ever goes winless or unbeaten. (Insert Pat's "Wait for the Patriots to do it this year" comment)

10/28/07

0	Bears fans all have started crying. Devin Hester just got hurt.

10/28/07

Janse

0	Anyone felt like they kept mocking the English this game? Quoting pitch, using accents with a sarcastic feeling, some other crap.

10/28/07

0	Against that secondary, no reason the Giants shouldn't have had a great day passing, yet they struggled. Makes you wonder if the annual 2nd half collapse is coming soon for the Giants again?

10/28/07

0	(Edited by MrNFL) Um, remind me how Brian Griese is better than Rex Grossman? I was tempted, but I just didn't believe. The Lions are for real. And the Bears just aren't.

10/28/07

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MrNFL wrote:

Of course, no one ever goes winless or unbeaten.

(Insert Pat's "Wait for the Patriots to do it this year" comment)

Yes, the Pats will do it this year.

Booooooo on the Giants for kneeling the ball at the end of the game in England. When you're trying to make your sport popular in a place that isn't quite as familiar with the sport, how about handing the ball to Jacobs or Ward and letting them run for a few downs to run out the clock, instead of the boring kneeling. Kneeling the ball is fine in most cases, but I think running the ball would have been a very easy way to give the fans a lot better taste for football in the waining moments of the game.

10/28/07

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Pat wrote:

Yes, the Pats will do it this year.

Booooooo on the Giants for kneeling the ball at the end of the game in England. When you're trying to make your sport popular in a place that isn't quite as familiar with the sport, how about handing the ball to Jacobs or Ward and letting them run for a few downs to run out the clock, instead of the boring kneeling. Kneeling the ball is fine in most cases, but I think running the ball would have been a very easy way to give the fans a lot better taste for football in the waining moments of the game.

(As they hand it Ward, he fumbles, and the Dolphins recover and win the game)

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: (As they hand it Ward, he fumbles, and the Dolphins recover and win the game) If that happened, it would have sucked. BUT...big picture, it would have been worth the risk.

10/28/07

0	(Edited by Chief_aka_James) FINALLY my pizza is here...good too; I can never seem to win on Sundays. Either its bad pizza and good football; or bad football and good pizza. The roommates and I are not pleased!

10/28/07

0	The NFL is really dropping the ball this weekend. I could be watching the Chargers in their return home, but instead I've got postgame and then something called the Ultimate Blackjack Tour.

10/28/07

0	Jon wrote: The NFL is really dropping the ball this weekend. I could be watching the Chargers in their return home, but instead I've got postgame and then something called the Ultimate Blackjack Tour. Hey; UBT isn't that bad.. I'm more upset that I was not told about The Office Convention

10/28/07

0	4-2 in the early picks; I went with Chicago (knew I shouldn't of) and Minnie (Peterson 70 yards wasn't too bad).

10/28/07

0	(Edited by Chief_aka_James) Is it possible for Maroney to come back to the U of Minnesota? Gophers could really use that guy again...

10/28/07

0	(Edited by MrNFL) 5-2 straight up (Chi and Min) 4-3 Spread (Chi, Min, NYG) and 6-1 O/U (Colts/Carolina)

10/28/07

0	Here come the Pats. Watch out 'Skins, it's gonna be a long day for you guys. Looks like the Pats are trying to establish the run. Nice idea to mix it up, but I wouldn't mind seeing a bomb sometime soon. But I'm not picky. As long as they keep moving the chains.

10/28/07

0	Maroney can do it all by himself right now...

10/28/07

0	I'm 5-1 straight up, 3-3 against the spread and 3-3 for the over/unders.

10/28/07

0	When your backup QB sucks, how do run an offense? With a 15 to 1 run pass ratio. TD Jags lol. LaBrandon Toefield had the TD.

10/28/07

0	Wow...Carlos Rogers' leg looked awful twisted up like that.

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: I'm 5-1 straight up, 3-3 against the spread and 3-3 for the over/unders. Which game straight up did you miss?

10/28/07

0	And the pretty boy takes it in himself

10/28/07

0	Damn Brady...it's only going to be harder to break Manning's passing TD record if you run it for a score...

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Which game straight up did you miss? I picked the Rams to pull off the upset. Shoulda known.

10/28/07

0	Did Scott forget to score Philly/Minnesota? That games been over for a good while now and is still sitting there...

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Did Scott forget to score Philly/Minnesota? That games been over for a good while now and is still sitting there... Done, sir. It should post shortly.

10/28/07

0	And that brings me down to 5-2, 3-4 and 4-3

10/28/07

Adam

0	I hate to say this but Jon Kitna's preseason 10 win prediction is halfway there.

10/28/07

0	5-2 4-3 and 3-4 There was your bomb Pat; didn't work out as great as you hoped I'm assuming though.

10/28/07

0	Adam wrote: I hate to say this but Jon Kitna's preseason 10 win prediction is halfway there. It really shouldn't be that much of a surprise. Mike Martz is their OC, Kitna is underated, and he has plenty of weapons... oh yeah, and they play in the NFC.

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: Done, sir. It should post shortly. Thanks.

10/28/07

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: 5-2 4-3 and 3-4 There was your bomb Pat; didn't work out as great as you hoped I'm assuming though. No it didn't. I think that was a questionable no-call though. I realize Fletcher was playing the ball, but that doesn't make it ok to basically shove Moss into Taylor...does it? My next question is...how the hell was London Fletcher keeping up with Randy Moss?

10/28/07

0	Antonio Cromartie now has two touchdowns, bet he didn't expect that coming in to this game.

10/28/07

0	Wow, Old man Aaron Glenn with a INT for a TD off of Garcia.

10/28/07

0	Mike Vrabel has to have the single greatest TD per reception ratio in the history of the world.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Mike Vrabel has to have the single greatest TD per reception ratio in the history of the world. Mike Vrabel has 8 career receptions for 11 yards and 8 TD's. You're probably right. He probably has the least receiving yards in history for anyone with 8 or more TD receptions, too.

10/28/07

0	Interception Samuel!!!

10/28/07

0	Wow, I seriously hope no one picked San Diego not to cover that spread. My god...

10/28/07

0	Oh my god! Tom Brady is human! He's capable of making a mistake! lol.

10/28/07

0	Brady fumble...crap.

10/28/07

0	Boy do I feel stupid for picking the 49ers to beat the Saints. Hoping the 49ers could figure it out....not so much.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Oh my god! Tom Brady is human! He's capable of making a mistake! lol. Actually, that's the 2nd time in 3 weeks. Stop that, Tom!

10/28/07

0	I'm really looking forward to seeing American Gangster. Who's with me?

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Boy do I feel stupid for picking the 49ers to beat the Saints. Hoping the 49ers could figure it out....not so much. Made the same mistake...

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: I'm really looking forward to seeing American Gangster. Who's with me? Oooo; I am. Was telling my girlfriend the other day when a commercial came on saying that I wanted to go see that with her...she said she wasn't much of a Denzel fan.... I think I'll go with the roommates, thank you anyways.

10/28/07

0	Yes. I can't wait.

10/28/07

0	Communications issues for the opposing coaches at Gillette? Isn't that something that the Pats have been accused of in the past?

10/28/07

0	Tom Brady is a running fool today...First down!

10/28/07

0	This Thursday, November 1

10/28/07

0	TD RANDY!!!

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: TD RANDY!!! He pushed off

10/28/07

0	Brady has set a new career high for TD passes, and Randy Moss is only 1 TD away from tying Stanley Morgan's team record. And it's week 8. Wow.

10/28/07

0	Jon wrote: Communications issues for the opposing coaches at Gillette? Isn't that something that the Pats have been accused of in the past? I thought you were better than this...

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: I thought you were better than this... I'm just the messenger... http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/13/bengals-lions-patriots-sabotaged-headsets/

10/28/07

0	Jon wrote: I'm just the messenger... http://sports.aol.com/fanhouse/2007/09/13/bengals-lions-patriots-sabotaged-headsets/ Jealousy is so sad.

10/28/07

0	(Edited by Jon) Pat wrote: Jealousy is so sad. I was just bringing it up since teams have accused them - I don't actually think they intentionally did anything. They'd have to be pretty stupid to do anything now since I am sure the league has them under a microscope. Plus it would be pretty pathetic since they really don't need any help beating the Redskins.

10/28/07

0	Any idea when the witch hunt is gonna end? People are starting to get a little ridiculous with this stuff.

10/28/07

0	I'm thinking that the Patriots opponants should get handicaps so that these games are remotely close...

10/28/07

0	2 rushing TD's for him...jeez.

10/28/07

0	Did I really just see a commercial for a Terminator TV series??? Ugh....I hate TV producers...

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Did I really just see a commercial for a Terminator TV series??? Ugh....I hate TV producers... Yea; was wondering the same thing...was in the middle of reading an email; but would check back on my tv to see that...and was like, "huh??"

10/28/07

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MrNFL wrote:

I'm thinking that the Patriots opponants should get handicaps so that these games are remotely close...

I get this funny feeling that you could have spotted the Redskins 20 points today, and the Pats would have just tried that much harder, and been that much more explosive on offense, so they could make up those 20 points, and STILL build up a 30+ point lead.

Sorry if I sound like a homer right now, but the Patriots are giving me the impression that they can pretty much do whatever they want, whenever they want.

10/28/07

0	(Edited by Jon) The Bills are beating the Jets 6-3 in the 4th. That's still a higher scoring game than I expected. Edit: Yet for some reason I picked the over - need to pay better attention when making my picks.

10/28/07

0	Yea; defensive TD's are always good too...

10/28/07

0	Pending the extra point, the Pats are leading 38-0. This is obscene.

10/28/07

2	I know Brady's going for records and all, but sooner or later leaving him in games late or in blowouts will catch up to the Patriots. I know it's still the 3rd quarter, but there's no reason why he needs to be in there, they have a 38 point lead.

10/28/07

0	I know the score is getting up there, but Brady needs one more TD pass...gotta keep the 3-per-game streak alive.

10/28/07

0	Not sure on the 4th down play...I'm not all against it; just don't think it was necessary. 41-0 or 45-0; does it really matter at this point?

10/28/07

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Jon wrote:

I know Brady's going for records and all, but sooner or later leaving him in games late or in blowouts will catch up to the Patriots. I know it's still the 3rd quarter, but there's no reason why he needs to be in there, they have a 38 point lead.

Eventually a team (like say, the Jets when they are losing by 50) is going to go straight at his knees... and quite frankly if they keep this up I couldn't completely blame them. I wouldn't say go at a guy's knees but would have no problem with some unnecessary contact after a play.

10/28/07

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I don't know how people are going to feel about the Pats going for it on 4th down with a 38 point lead, but a QB sneak is probably the riskiest possible play call there, and I question that. But since nothing happened to Brady and they got the 1st down, I guess I'm fine with it.

And I don't think it's terribly unsportsmanlike, because there's not much difference between being up by 41 and up by 45, and if they missed it, it would have given Washington the ball within the 15 or so. The Skins just should have stopped them

TD WELKER!!!

10/28/07

0	Another Patriot TD. And the Jaguars just took the lead. Why are the Patriots keeping their starters in? Seriously, no need to run up the score Mr. Hoodie.

10/28/07

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kantwistaye wrote:

Eventually a team (like say, the Jets when they are losing by 50) is going to go straight at his knees... and quite frankly if they keep this up I couldn't completely blame them. I wouldn't say go at a guy's knees but would have no problem with some unnecessary contact after a play.

Really? I'm pretty sure that's against the rules. Leaving a guy in, on the other hand, is perfectly legal. If they don't like being down by 30+ points, then they should play some freaking defense.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Another Patriot TD. And the Jaguars just took the lead. Why are the Patriots keeping their starters in? Seriously, no need to run up the score Mr. Hoodie. The announcers just said that they believe he's trying to make a statement, after VideoGate. Maybe he is, and wants to show the rest of the league that he can beat them all, with or without the videos.

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: Really? I'm pretty sure that's against the rules. Leaving a guy in, on the other hand, is perfectly legal. If they don't like being down by 30+ points, then they should play some freaking defense. All I'm saying, is that if a team runs up the score on me, they'll regret it. I could care less what the rules say, if my team is being disrespected, the other team will regret it.

10/28/07

0	Bills final over Jets. 13-3. Imagine that, Kellen Clemens didn't solve anything when he played, and he actually did worse than Chad. He may be good in the future, but no way he corrects that joke of a team.

10/28/07

0	New England oughta just kneel down...

10/28/07

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kantwistaye wrote:

All I'm saying, is that if a team runs up the score on me, they'll regret it. I could care less what the rules say, if my team is being disrespected, the other team will regret it.

Who is disrespecting anyone? Right now, the Redskins are disrespecting themselves, by allowing the Patriots' backup QB to rush for a 15 yard TD.

If you are an NFL team, and you are losing by 52 points, like the Redskins are doing right now, you have no one to blame but yourself. Playing dirty isn't going to do anything but disrespect yourself even more.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: New England oughta just kneel down... The Redskins should try playing some football sometime today.

10/28/07

0	Perhaps the Saints are back after killing the 49ers. Or maybe the 49ers just suck THAT much. Chargers final over Texans. Surprise!

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: The Redskins should try playing some football sometime today. Indeed...

10/28/07

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MrNFL wrote:

Bills final over Jets. 13-3.

Imagine that, Kellen Clemens didn't solve anything when he played, and he actually did worse than Chad. He may be good in the future, but no way he corrects that joke of a team.

Once again...it's not about him being the short term solution. Not every team is geared towards winning this year. Building for the future is important as well. And getting Clemens some playing time will do nothing but good for this team.

10/28/07

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(Edited by kantwistaye)
Pat wrote:

Who is disrespecting anyone? Right now, the Redskins are disrespecting themselves, by allowing the Patriots' backup QB to rush for a 15 yard TD.

If you are an NFL team, and you are losing by 52 points, like the Redskins are doing right now, you have no one to blame but yourself. Playing dirty isn't going to do anything but disrespect yourself even more.

The thing is once the Patriots take their starters out they've done all they can to stop the bleeding so to speak. So yes at that point the Skins are disrespecting themselves. But if the Pats keep their starters in they are running the score up. At that point they've made their players fair game.

And I''m not just saying that for the Pats, its just they've always up by 30,40,50 points a game and seem to score a last second TD with their starters in and half of them happen to be on fourth down. Its a questionable tactic at best.

10/28/07

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(Edited by MrNFL)
Pat wrote:

Once again...it's not about him being the short term solution. Not every team is geared towards winning this year. Building for the future is important as well. And getting Clemens some playing time will do nothing but good for this team.

Or it could kill his confidence...or...him...considering that line really isn't good at blocking.

I'm just pointing out that Clemens hasn't fixed anything, when CF basically said that Pennington is the reason they can't win. Not saying Clemens can't be good eventually, but he can't fix anything with this team.

10/28/07

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kantwistaye wrote:

The thing is once the Patriots take their starters out they've done all they can to stop the bleeding so to speak. So yes at that point the Skins are disrespecting themselves. But if the Pats keep their starters in they are running the score up. At that point they've made their players fair game.

And I''m not just saying that for the Pats, its just they've always up by 30,40,50 points a game and seem to score a last second TD with their starters in and half of them happen to be on fourth down. Its a questionable tactic at best.

But when is the magic time that they should take out the starters? Brady really only played into the 4th quarter because he was finishing a drive that had started in the 3rd. I really don't think it's unreasonable at all for a team to play their starters for 3 quarters, regardless of the score. It's an NFL game, between 2 NFL teams. If a team allows themselves to fall behind by 40 points, they deserve whatever they get. And cheap shots on the other team are NEVER justified. EVER.

10/28/07

0	I'm so disappointed that there is no SNF tonight. The World Series game will probably suck again and be never ending. Guess it's a night of Madden for me...

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: I'm so disappointed that there is no SNF tonight. The World Series game will probably suck again and be never ending. Guess it's a night of Madden for me... Blasphemy! It will be a great game, and the ceremony will be one for the ages!

10/28/07

0	Call me greedy, but I want to see a safety right now.

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: Blasphemy! It will be a great game, and the ceremony will be one for the ages! It'll suck because it won't be interesting. The Red Sox will probably dominate, and these games have had an absurdly slow pace that have made them very boring. I'm sure your very excited since the Sox will win the World Series, but the game won't likely be that good of a game.

10/28/07

0	Bad call...that looks like a catch for Randle El.

10/28/07

0	(Edited by MrNFL) Over/Under of 65 in next weeks "Greatest game in the history of the world" I'm curious what the spread will be. The Pats have had really high spreads so far, but obviously going to the RCA Dome, I don't think 16.5 will happen.

10/28/07

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"The Patriots are averaging more points per game than Michael Jordan ever did in his career"

That may be the dumbest statement I've ever heard. I know the Pats offense has been amazing, but what does a Jordan comparison have to do with anything? It's 2 different sports! And a team and an individual!

What was their alternate line? The Patriots have scored more points per game than Wayne Gretzky ever did?

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Pat wrote:

But when is the magic time that they should take out the starters? Brady really only played into the 4th quarter because he was finishing a drive that had started in the 3rd. I really don't think it's unreasonable at all for a team to play their starters for 3 quarters, regardless of the score. It's an NFL game, between 2 NFL teams. If a team allows themselves to fall behind by 40 points, they deserve whatever they get. And cheap shots on the other team are NEVER justified. EVER.

To be fair there isn't any magic time. Its just whenever it becomes clear the game is over. It was pretty clear after the Pats scored their 1st TD in the 2nd half that it was over. I can understand giving Brady one more drive after that just to be sure. So in today's game I would've said after the game was 38-0. The Pats were actually weren't too bad this game when it came to running up the score... the Skins just sucked that bad. As for the "cheap shots", they wouldn't have to be cheap. Just blitz 8 and tell my guys not be afraid to take an extra step at the QB. Run him over, don't tackle him. The other team will get the point pretty quickly.

10/28/07

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MrNFL wrote:

Over/Under of 65 in next weeks "Greatest game in the history of the world"

I'm curious what the spread will be. The Pats have had really high spreads so far, but obviously going to the RCA Dome, I don't think 16.5 will happen.

What do you think the spread will be? I'm guessing the Pats will be favored by about 6. But honestly, I wouldn't pick against the Patriots right now against ANYONE, with ANY spread.

10/28/07

0	Pat wrote: What do you think the spread will be? I'm guessing the Pats will be favored by about 6. But honestly, I wouldn't pick against the Patriots right now against ANYONE, with ANY spread. Hard for it to be too huge...I'd figure maybe 6.5.

10/28/07

0	(Edited by MrNFL) Bucs just threw a pick, Jaguars win. WR caught it, got jacked, and then Nelson made a nice diving catch. An upset, that I CALLED!!! WOO ME! lol.

10/28/07

0	Did you think the people of England liked what they saw? Or were there a lot of people saying "This sucked, it's got nothing on soccer?"

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Bucs just threw a pick, Jaguars win. WR caught it, got jacked, and then Nelson made a nice diving catch. An upset, that I CALLED!!! WOO ME! lol. I'm not sure that it was really an upset. I think it was more of a case of a poorly calculated spread. I realize the Jags have some QB issues, but Tampa Bay is not a very good football team. Everywhere else, it's advantage Jacksonville.

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I think it's safe to say that you're a little more knowledgeable then most fans in England though, when it comes to American football. Although you realize the reasoning behind kneeling the ball, don't you agree that a few running plays would have been a little more exciting for the casual fans, and would have been a very low risk of a fumble or anything?

And yeah...it sucks that they gave you guys such a terrible matchup. The Dolphins are a miserably bad team, and the Giants played down to their level.

10/28/07

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Pat wrote:

I'm not sure that it was really an upset. I think it was more of a case of a poorly calculated spread. I realize the Jags have some QB issues, but Tampa Bay is not a very good football team. Everywhere else, it's advantage Jacksonville.

Technically it was an upset lol. Vegas was smart though, they realize the average fan is blinded by the "Almighty QB" and would only pick with which team has a better one.

10/28/07

1	I don't know if this has been said but doesn't it seem to everyone else that the Patriots are almost like a guy playing with an All-Pro team versus a terrible team and they are playing on Rookie mode?

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Did you think the people of England liked what they saw? Or were there a lot of people saying "This sucked, it's got nothing on soccer?" lol, "it's got nothing on soccer", eh?

10/28/07

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: lol, "it's got nothing on soccer", eh? Well, obviously they'd say football.

10/28/07

0	Jubanator14 wrote: I don't know if this has been said but doesn't it seem to everyone else that the Patriots are almost like a guy playing with an All-Pro team versus a terrible team and they are playing on Rookie mode? It's kinda like Week 1 on Tecmo Super Bowl if you play as the 49ers, where you win 50-0 regardless.

10/28/07

0	Wow, and to think I was in the top of the site on over/under after the early games. Ended up 7-5, yikes! 7-5 spread too, and 9-3 straight up. Average week.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Wow, and to think I was in the top of the site on over/under after the early games. Ended up 7-5, yikes! 7-5 spread too, and 9-3 straight up. Average week. Ugh..not such a good week for me 7-5 in picks, 5-7 vs. spread, 6-6 over/under.

10/28/07

0	Chief_aka_James wrote: Ugh..not such a good week for me 7-5 in picks, 5-7 vs. spread, 6-6 over/under. I had a similarly mediocre day...I was 7-5 straight up, 6-6 against the spread and 5-7 in o/u. But at this point, I'm so ecstatic that I don't even care.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: It's kinda like Week 1 on Tecmo Super Bowl if you play as the 49ers, where you win 50-0 regardless. I am waiting for that game when everything goes wrong for them. Similar to what the computer does sometimes when you are just rolling through a season and all of a sudden you throw 4 picks and fumble 2 kickoffs and miss fg's.

10/28/07

0	Jubanator14 wrote: I am waiting for that game when everything goes wrong for them. Similar to what the computer does sometimes when you are just rolling through a season and all of a sudden you throw 4 picks and fumble 2 kickoffs and miss fg's. Yeah...I just had that game on Madden...ugh.

10/28/07

0	MrNFL wrote: Yeah...I just had that game on Madden...ugh. Yea I don't play Madden almost for that reason only, the other being I'm not a huge NFL fan. I love playing NCAA and sometimes they have that game in there sometimes. Usually against the worst team on your schedule.

10/28/07

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Jubanator14 wrote:

Yea I don't play Madden almost for that reason only, the other being I'm not a huge NFL fan. I love playing NCAA and sometimes they have that game in there sometimes. Usually against the worst team on your schedule.

One thing I've never understood, considering the games aren't too different, is the drop off for me talent wise between Madden and NCAA. On Madden, I can beat CPU's usually no problem on All-Madden. On NCAA, I suck on the level below Heisman, and am not even great on Varsity, and I've never been quite sure why.

The only reason I can figure out is because you really can't audible that much. On Madden, rarely will I run the play I call without some adjustment. On NCAA, you can't change which way a running back goes without completely flipping the play, and you don't have formation audibles. Thus, my offenses tend to struggle. Plus, for some reason I can't get any pressure on the QB defensively either.

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MrNFL wrote:

One thing I've never understood, considering the games aren't too different, is the drop off for me talent wise between Madden and NCAA. On Madden, I can beat CPU's usually no problem on All-Madden. On NCAA, I suck on the level below Heisman, and am not even great on Varsity, and I've never been quite sure why.

The only reason I can figure out is because you really can't audible that much. On Madden, rarely will I run the play I call without some adjustment. On NCAA, you can't change which way a running back goes without completely flipping the play, and you don't have formation audibles. Thus, my offenses tend to struggle. Plus, for some reason I can't get any pressure on the QB defensively either.

See NCAA plays different than Madden. You can change the direction the RB goes by pushing the right thumb stick and it does a change the play. Madden seems like it is too easy to pass and almost impossible to run.

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Jubanator14 wrote:

See NCAA plays different than Madden. You can change the direction the RB goes by pushing the right thumb stick and it does a change the play. Madden seems like it is too easy to pass and almost impossible to run.

Not on PS2. On Madden, a flip of the stick changed the direction of the runner, on NCAA it doesn't.

On Madden, it isn't impossible for me to run. In fact, I usually run a ton, and only throw a few passes, because passing doesn't always work for me unless I'm the Colts. With the 49ers, Alex Smith can't hit a wide open receiver, it sucks. So everyone gets a heavy dose of Frank Gore.

10/28/07

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MrNFL wrote:

Not on PS2. On Madden, a flip of the stick changed the direction of the runner, on NCAA it doesn't.

On Madden, it isn't impossible for me to run. In fact, I usually run a ton, and only throw a few passes, because passing doesn't always work for me unless I'm the Colts. With the 49ers, Alex Smith can't hit a wide open receiver, it sucks. So everyone gets a heavy dose of Frank Gore.

Really? Because I played 07 on PS2 and the stick did it.

10/28/07