Ned Yost Fired After Milwaukee Brewers 3-11 September Start
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Milwaukee GM Doug Melvin Gives the Brewers A Chance To Still Make Playoffs

9/15/08 in MLB   |   CriticalFanatic   |   respect



Clearly, Milwaukee Brewers GM Doug Melvin read my post this morning on Ned Yost and decided to wait no more.

Yost has been fired and will be replaced by third base coach Dale Sveum. 

As outlined this morning, the Brewers had a 5 1/2 game lead at the start of the month, and while the Cubs opened the door to the NL Central lead, Milwaukee has lost three of 14 games in the first half of September. Worst of all, the Brewers were swept over the weekend to Philadelphia which has now left both of those teams tied for the NL Wild Card.

Milwaukee begins a three game series at Wrigley Field Tuesday night with CC Sabathia facing off against Ryan Dempster. A great opportunity for interim manager Sveum to change the team's poor attitude and momentum.

Will the Brewers end their 26-year playoff drought now that they'd rid themselves of Yost?

Brewers Fire Yost [JSOnline]
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9/19/08   |   uptown7010

THEY'RE NOT GONNA MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9/16/08   |   primo   |   1 respect

Ned Yost losing his job is no different when the Mets fired Willie Randolph earlier on, just a bad case of going through a slump and heads need to roll. And just like the Mets situation, this is a case of maturity that needs to be addressed amongst the players and not with management.

9/15/08   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

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 It's actually increased interest and revenue.

Anybody that doesn't want to see the Brewers in the playoffs doesn't like baseball. Screw the heavily favored big spenders. In a league without a cap Wild Cards are imperative. Your 'argument' has no basis other than a repetitive half-assed pun that simultaneously showcases your political leanings. You're glib, not clever.

I love baseball, but I still realize where it stands in the overall spectrum of sports.. and it needs the Wild Card. This country embraces the underdog, makes movies about the underdog, touts the underdog, makes believers of the underdog. You stay in your dark little corner thumbing your nose - you're in a sad minority.

It hasn't increased interest.  There is no evidence of that.  There is actually evidence that it is decreasing interest.  Sure, it increases revenue.  An extra round of playoffs will do that.  But there are also ways to increase revenue without rendering pennant races extinct.

Sure, I'd like to see the Brewers in the playoffs myself.  But only if they EARN it.  People love underdogs, but people love the underdog who overcomes the odds.  Finishing in 2nd is hardly overcoming the odds.  There is nothing lovable or heartwarming about a distance 2nd place finish.
A welfare card is is NOT needed in baseball.  A cap would be great.  But even without one, the welfare card is a sham.  The moniker "welfare card", at the risk of patting myself on the back, is actually quite clever.  It is a play on the words and describes more accurately what it is.  Your objection to my use of it is obviously related to that,  You don't appreciate someone using a title that more accurately describes the situation.
My arguments against the welfare card are rock solid and have NEVER been refuted.  In all the years I have been discussing it, I have encountered only 2 legit reasons to have it.  But there are SCORES of reasons not to.  BTW:  You SAYING it is a good thing is not a legit reason for it.

You SAY you love baseball but then you call it boring as well?  How could you love something you find dull?  You are being inconsistent. 

Sorry, but I am in the majority on this one.  While most don't poo-poo the welfare card like I do, according to every (real) poll I have seen on the matter it shows that most STILL prefer the previous playoff format to the current one.  I think they prefer it because they miss pennant races.  Which haven't existed since 1993.

9/15/08   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

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 Ignore him. He grandstands about how terrible the Wild Card is even though it represented his favorite team's last real chance at a World Series. He actually said he wouldn't accept the Giants winning had they beaten the Angels.

Baseball is already hilariously boring and hurting for attention WITH the wild card, imagine how much worse it would be with only 6 teams in the entire playoffs. Does the best team in each league get a bye? Retarded.

The only thing the welfare card represents is a team that failed to win in the regular season.  It is the avenue for losers.  For teams that simply weren't good enough to win over a 162 game schedule.

If baseball is so boring for you then i recommend you stop following it.  I don't follow sports I find boring.  Why do you?

But since you brought it up, baseball without welfare cards would be WAAAAYYYY more fun down the stretch,  The welfare card sucks the fun out of the pennant drive.  This has been proved nearly every year since 1995.

9/15/08   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

BestofChicago wrote:

Welfare card??? It seems like to me the wild-card team always wins the World Series!

Doesn't mean they deserve it.  If they did, why did they fail to win in the season?

9/15/08   |   BestofChicago   |   51 respect

ML31 wrote:
No, it is certainly too late.  7 1/2 games man!  The Brewers are all but done.  Yes, the welfare card exists.  But that route is for losers and not worth considering.  At least for any team or fan with any integrity at all.

Welfare card??? It seems like to me the wild-card team always wins the World Series!

9/15/08   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

No, it is certainly too late.  7 1/2 games man!  The Brewers are all but done.  Yes, the welfare card exists.  But that route is for losers and not worth considering.  At least for any team or fan with any integrity at all.

9/15/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4214 respect

ML31 wrote:
Don't you think this move was just a tad too late for the Brew Crew?  7 1/2 games back when they have only 12 more to play?   Assuming the Cubs lose every game from here on out, the Brewers would STILL need to go 7-5 to win.  Supposing the Cubs go 5-10..  The the Brewers would have to run the table to win.

This move makes no sense whatsoever.  At this point, the Brewers hopes of catching the Cubs are slim to none.  If they wanted to shake things up, the move should have been made at LEAST a week ago.  They MAY have still had a chance then....
(Edited by kantwistaye)

I know you hate the Wild Card, but it does exist.  It is a late move, but certainly not too late.

9/15/08   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

uwgb44 wrote:
It had to be done somtime... Might as well be now.. Hell it helped the mets ealier this year. Let's see if i has the same effect on the brewers. If not maybe Prince Fielder needs to attack another pitcher in order to turn the brewers around
(Edited by ML31)

Don't you think this move was just a tad too late for the Brew Crew?  7 1/2 games back when they have only 12 more to play?   Assuming the Cubs lose every game from here on out, the Brewers would STILL need to go 7-5 to win.  Supposing the Cubs go 5-10..  The the Brewers would have to run the table to win.

This move makes no sense whatsoever.  At this point, the Brewers hopes of catching the Cubs are slim to none.  If they wanted to shake things up, the move should have been made at LEAST a week ago.  They MAY have still had a chance then....

9/15/08   |   uptown7010

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Tale Spin is a cartoon spin-off of the Jungle Book starring Baloo as a rogue pilot who traffics cocaine.

Ned Yost is a tool, and while I wouldn't agree with this scenario with almost any other team, it will probably be enough to put the Brewers over the hump. He was that much of a cancer.

As far as putting the Brewers over the hump I hope you're right. BUT, Do you think the players had something to do with it too? It will come out later, you know that.

9/15/08   |   snbslugger

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Tale Spin is a cartoon spin-off of the Jungle Book starring Baloo as a rogue pilot who traffics cocaine.

Ned Yost is a tool, and while I wouldn't agree with this scenario with almost any other team, it will probably be enough to put the Brewers over the hump. He was that much of a cancer.

So Cape Suzette was a subliminal reference to Bogota and King Louie the Orangutan is actually Pablo Escobar?

9/15/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4214 respect

snbslugger wrote:
I'll admit I'm not as close to the situation as Brewers fans, but firing the manager when you're still contending is just tempting fate.  Dale "More of the" Sveum as your interim manager?  He's the guy that's going to right the ship and lead the Brew Crew into October?

He had a hard time figuring out when to send runners home from 3B in Boston, and now he's the "better option" to finish Milwaukee's playoff push?

I would really like to see Milwaukee make it to the postseason for the sake of their fans, but... Dale Sveum? Really?
(Edited by kantwistaye)

In no way do I think Dale Sveum is going to be a hero and save our season.  In fact, outside of Yost he seems to be the most inept guy we have on our coaching staff.  That said, the players hated Yost.  On top of that, Yost makes Dusty Baker look like a decent manager.  As long as Sveum just lets the players play, I'll be okay with him.  Unless we somehow win it all under his leadership, he'll be gone next year too.  Until then, he's still better than Yost.

9/15/08   |   uwgb44   |   28 respect

Well have to look at the bright side... If he is the manager it stops him from getting guys thrown out at home.. Assuming the brewers will start hitting again to get people home

9/15/08   |   uwgb44   |   28 respect

uptown7010 wrote:
Bad Bad timing. This could send the Brewers into a tale spin unless the players had something to do with it. The Brewers may have had a slide but everyone else around them had their slide also and is now playing well too. I'd like to think that they could snap out of it.

Send them into a tailspin.... the tailspin as been the last 15 games... They are at almost rock bottem ... Just have to hope this has the same effect that when the mets did it and turns the season around

9/15/08   |   snbslugger

I'll admit I'm not as close to the situation as Brewers fans, but firing the manager when you're still contending is just tempting fate.  Dale "More of the" Sveum as your interim manager?  He's the guy that's going to right the ship and lead the Brew Crew into October?

He had a hard time figuring out when to send runners home from 3B in Boston, and now he's the "better option" to finish Milwaukee's playoff push?

I would really like to see Milwaukee make it to the postseason for the sake of their fans, but... Dale Sveum? Really?

9/15/08   |   uptown7010

Bad Bad timing. This could send the Brewers into a tale spin unless the players had something to do with it. The Brewers may have had a slide but everyone else around them had their slide also and is now playing well too. I'd like to think that they could snap out of it.

9/15/08   |   uwgb44   |   28 respect

It had to be done somtime... Might as well be now.. Hell it helped the mets ealier this year. Let's see if i has the same effect on the brewers. If not maybe Prince Fielder needs to attack another pitcher in order to turn the brewers around

9/15/08   |   kantwistaye   |   4214 respect

Doug Melvin thinks Mike Shanahan has small cajones.

Best. Day. Evar.