New York Yankees May Not Make The Playoffs For The First Time Since 1993

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How can this not be a foregone conclusion. When Ol Hank is saying the Yankees are the team to beat in . . . . 2009

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Maybe the Yankees should spend a little bit more money on their players then....

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For the first time in over a decade it looks that way?? You must be kidding me. All you Yankee haters have been pulling that card for years. As early as last year in fact you and people like you wrote them off by August. I realize you're a homer and a Yankee hater, but don't outright lie dude.

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Boski93 wrote:

Yankees are looking to petition MLB to move to the National League West.

Why so you can complain about how they always make the playoffs because they are in such a weak division?

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Gazzo wrote:

Why so you can complain about how they always make the playoffs because they are in such a weak division?

Point to you sir.

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Gazzo wrote:

Why so you can complain about how they always make the playoffs because they are in such a weak division?

Yes..

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Gazzo wrote:

For the first time in over a decade it looks that way?? You must be kidding me. All you Yankee haters have been pulling that card for years. As early as last year in fact you and people like you wrote them off by August. I realize you're a homer and a Yankee hater, but don't outright lie dude.

What did I lie about?

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Maybe the Yankees should spend a little bit more money on their players then....

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WBKsports wrote:

If spending money on players actually meant anything, explain why the Tigers (2nd in payroll) are doing so poorly, and Marlins (last in payroll) are 1.5 games out in their division, and the Rays (29th/30 in payroll) are leading the AL East by 3 games. Maybe if the Yankees had the absolute best players around MLB on their team, people would have a right to complain that the Yankees spend so much money on THE BEST players. The fact is, a lot of the big money contracts have been complete busts for the Yankees. It's all about how well each of a team's players are performing, not about how much money they make.

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Carl Pavano disagrees. You just made a point against the Yankees. Look SD, Colorado were in the bottom 1/3 of payrolls last year and were in a playoff. The Rox went to the series and NY hasnt been out of the first round since the epic collapse in 2004. NY is overrated and all their apologists are getting tiresome

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CMB wrote:

If spending money on players actually meant anything, explain why the Tigers (2nd in payroll) are doing so poorly, and Marlins (last in payroll) are 1.5 games out in their division, and the Rays (29th/30 in payroll) are leading the AL East by 3 games. Maybe if the Yankees had the absolute best players around MLB on their team, people would have a right to complain that the Yankees spend so much money on THE BEST players. The fact is, a lot of the big money contracts have been complete busts for the Yankees. It's all about how well each of a team's players are performing, not about how much money they make.

I love how you justify your team by talking about how crappy their management is, and that they waste money on lousy players.

Ummm... you win?

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Pat wrote:

I love how you justify your team by talking about how crappy their management is, and that they waste money on lousy players.

Ummm... you win?

There's no question that the Yankees management has made some of the dumbest moves in recent history, I can't even justify some of the things they have done. My point is that a lot of people consistently go to the payroll argument trying to make it seem like spending enormous amounts of money automatically qualifies them as the best team. Obviously Yankees management thinks that this is how it's done, and they have made this mistake over recent years thinking that they actually can scoop up everybody and in turn win a Championship every year (hasn't happened). As much as I don't want to make any part of my team look like a joke, certain decisions (especially with their pitching: Kevin Brown, Randy Johnson, Carl Pavano, Kei Igawa) have made no sense. People can ridicule the Yankees all they want because of the moves they've made in recent years (in regard to spending a lot of money) but so many times the teams without the most money are actually the best out there.
There's 2 ways to do it. You either buy up as many players that think it takes to win you a world series, or you develop within the system. It works both ways, and different franchises choose to, or are forced to do it a certain way. Look at the Marlins ('97, 03') Twins & Athletics consistently doing well in recent years, Rays this year. If the money spent directly resulted in team performance, why aren't the Red Sox ahead of the Rays? Why are the Tigers 8.5 out? How are the Marlins possibly in the race in the East even though they are spending $77,000,000 less than the Phillies who are leading that division? It's because you have to actually go out and play the games to see who really has the best team. Of course I would like to think my favorite team has the best players for every season, but here we are 120 games in and it just doesn't look that way as of right now.

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Your argument is indescribably pathetic.

Why can't you just admit that the Yankees have been buying championships for years, and that they are a perfect model of how NOT to run a baseball team? I don't understand how anything you've said is supposed to make anyone feel any better about the Yankees.

Obviously, some teams can compete with lower payrolls. But if the Marlins, Twins, Athletics, etc had a higher payroll, it's safe to say that they would be doing even better. The Twins are doing well this year, but imagine if they had been able to keep Johan Santana. They would be doing even better. I think we can both agree on that. What if the Marlins were able to hold on to guys like AJ Burnett, Brad Penny, Josh Beckett, etc? What if the A's still had Rich Harden, Jason Giambi, Miguel Tejada, etc?

Just because the Yankees have been a total joke lately, you can't just act like money doesn't matter. You're only fooling yourself, and making yourself look like an idiot in the process.

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"Why can't you just admit that the Yankees have been buying championships for years, and that they are a perfect model of how NOT to run a baseball team?"

Isn't that the point? To do whatever it takes to win a championship? I don't know about before the '96 season, but since then (except '98) they have apparently been "buying championships," and in those 12 seasons they have won 4. I hardly think that by winning 1/3 of the championships in that time period qualifies for a team to be considered as being a "perfect model of how NOT to run a baseball team."

All I'm trying to say in all of this is that any team in baseball can win if they have the best performing players in a given season. I know it's common sense and you know just as well as I know that It's the team of players that play the best throughout the season that will come out on top at the end of the season. To simply hand it to the Yankees every year just because they spend the most isn't right. Every team no matter what they spend will have roadblocks to deal with throughout the season.
Yankees: Trying to bring in younger talent but haven't done well whether it's injury or something else (Hughes, Cano, Cabrera, Wang) and they relied heavily on them to do well this year. Hasn't happened. Tigers: Picked by many as the favorite, having Cabrera, Sheffield, Ivan Rod., Renteria, Willis. Unfortunately for the Tigers, things didn't work out with them and they sit 8.5 games out with their $138M payroll going towards Sheffield on the DL for much of the season, WIllis doing unexpectingly awful, Renteria not doing as well as expected, and Ivan Rodriguez traded off the team partly because of poor production. Teams go into a season with what they believe to be the best team that they can build in the offseason (Whether it's bringing up top prospects, signing big name free agents, or something else) but everything still has to go right for them to win it all.

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When I say they are the "perfect model of how not to run a baseball team" I'm talking about the fact that they have outspent the rest of the league by millions (billions, in the case of some teams) since 2000, and have nothing to show for it.

Their scouting is mediocre, their budgeting is downright awful, and the trickle-down affect that their exorbitant spending has on the rest of the league is bad for baseball, bad for fans, and bad for competitive balance. Sure, their incompetence evens the playing field a bit, but it's still a BAD thing when guys like Johnny Damon sign for way more than they deserve, because it drives up the contracts for other players, which drive up the prices for fans.

The Yankees symbolize everything that is wrong with baseball today.

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Since we're talking about how to run a baseball team, I think the perfect small market model is obviously either Oakland or Minnesota. They've been getting the most out of their prospects and then moving them all decade. As a fan of a fellow small market team (although our pay roll has exploded this year), I'm jealous of their success.

As for a big market team, its undoubtedly the Red Sox. They've combined big spending with small market tactics. Thats how every team should be run, and if more free spending teams start running their teams like the Red Sox all of the small market teams are screwed. Us small market teams depend on big market teams to make mistakes and the Red Sox are really limiting those.

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CMB wrote:

If spending money on players actually meant anything, explain why the Tigers (2nd in payroll) are doing so poorly, and Marlins (last in payroll) are 1.5 games out in their division, and the Rays (29th/30 in payroll) are leading the AL East by 3 games. Maybe if the Yankees had the absolute best players around MLB on their team, people would have a right to complain that the Yankees spend so much money on THE BEST players. The fact is, a lot of the big money contracts have been complete busts for the Yankees. It's all about how well each of a team's players are performing, not about how much money they make.

I was just joking when I said, "Maybe the Yankees should spend a little bit more money on their players then...." But if you want my serious take on it...The Tigers have chosen to mirror the same spending habits as the Yankees and they are 4 games below .500 in Mid-August. The Marlins have an incredible "Farm System", they trust in it, and they have a great chance at stealing the NL East title in 08. The Yankees play around with too many of their young players. Obviously their pitching staff is hurting, but who is doing the scouting for the Yankees these days anyways? If they would have added a couple more hard-nosed starting pitchers to their staff in 08, the "Pinstripes" would be back to 100+ Wins...What are they waiting for if their spending limit is unlimited???

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WBKsports wrote:

I was just joking when I said, "Maybe the Yankees should spend a little bit more money on their players then...." But if you want my serious take on it...The Tigers have chosen to mirror the same spending habits as the Yankees and they are 4 games below .500 in Mid-August. The Marlins have an incredible "Farm System", they trust in it, and they have a great chance at stealing the NL East title in 08. The Yankees play around with too many of their young players. Obviously their pitching staff is hurting, but who is doing the scouting for the Yankees these days anyways? If they would have added a couple more hard-nosed starting pitchers to their staff in 08, the "Pinstripes" would be back to 100+ Wins...What are they waiting for if their spending limit is unlimited???

Yeah, I didn't mean to necessarily single you out, just the typical comment in general. That's the thing with adding a few more hard-nosed pitchers for '08. If they had gone out in the offseason and added some of the big names (right now I can't recall any of the big names) they would have been once again labeled as buying a championship. They actually tried to avoid the big spending by bringing up Hughes (considered one of the top prospects at the time) Kennedy, Chamberlain, a bullpen of Young minor leaguers in Ohlendorf, Bruney, Albaledejo, and Traber and sticking with Cabrera in CF instead of getting a big name. Just by the unfortunate way things happened, none of these players except for Chamberlain has panned out to what they expected in '08. The only problem I have with anybody seriously making that comment is that there are so many variables to look at in a team's season before simply just handing the trophy to the biggest spender.

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Brett Favre is a New York Jet. Anything is possible in pro sports this year.

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Pat wrote:

What did I lie about?

This being the first year in over a decade that it appeared that the Yankees would not make the playoffs.

Since we're on that subject, I guess the last 42 games don't count either.

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Gazzo wrote:

This being the first year in over a decade that it appeared that the Yankees would not make the playoffs.

Since we're on that subject, I guess the last 42 games don't count either.

Perhaps you misunderstood. Or perhaps I worded that poorly.

But the bottom line is, it looks like the Yankees will miss the playoffs. And that hasn't happened in a long time. Everyone else apparently understood that, but I'm not surprised that your one-track mind was so easily confused.

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(Edited 08/15/08 3:06PM by kantwistaye)
Gazzo wrote:

This being the first year in over a decade that it appeared that the Yankees would not make the playoffs.

Since we're on that subject, I guess the last 42 games don't count either.

While the Yankees aren't necessarily out of it, their odds are incredibily low. They are 6.5 games back of the Red Sox. Even if the Sox only play .500 ball the rest of the season, the Yankees would need to go 27-14 the rest of the way. Its could be done, but I don't see a team playing .530 ball would magically turn into a .670 team the rest of the way out... and thats assuming that the Sox cool down.
Edit: Coolstandings has the Yankees playoff chances at 7.5%.

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Pat wrote:

Perhaps you misunderstood. Or perhaps I worded that poorly.

But the bottom line is, it looks like the Yankees will miss the playoffs. And that hasn't happened in a long time. Everyone else apparently understood that, but I'm not surprised that your one-track mind was so easily confused.

That's not what you said. When will you stop with this ridiculous game? Are you seriously 3? It's getting old REAL fast man. Grow up.

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The Yankees have 6 games left against the Sox. Try knowing what you're talking about before you speak.

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(Edited 08/16/08 3:04AM by kantwistaye)
Gazzo wrote:

The Yankees have 6 games left against the Sox. Try knowing what you're talking about before you speak.

But realistically, at best they probably hope to go 4-2 in those games. Thats only a net of 2 games. That said, they still need to play ridiculous baseball over the next 40 games, regardless of how many games against the Sox they play. If they Sox play better .500 from here on out, the Yankees are pretty much done.
By the way, Coolstandings has them down to a 4.9% chance of making it.

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But they are not gonna make they playoffs. If they cant even be KC at home how can anyone think they are gonna catch the Rays or Redsox. Except delusional Yankee fan

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But they are not gonna make they playoffs. If they cant even be KC at home how can anyone think they are gonna catch the Rays or Redsox. Except delusional Yankee fan

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Call us what you will, but quitters won't fit. I for one had my heart sink once we saw Joba coming into his own then go down with injury. But, quitting is not something I nor any Yankee fan I personally know has in their vocabulary. Matsui will be back soon...very soon. Sill 6 games each against TB and Boston. I am calling it now and then you can mock me all you want when the season is over, when it is actually over (famous quote). Because you know it aint over til its over, right? The Yankees turn it up going into the final stretch and eek out wild card spot. Mock me now and I ignore. If I am wrong and you mock me at end of season, I will bow down and say you are right, so shoot me. Mock me now and if I am right and you better bet I will gloat.

Matter of fact, now when the chips are down and going into the bottom of the 9nth tied up at 2 against KC, this is when the streak begins.

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I have begun typing a post after my no quit post as I watch MLB.COM getting ready to start their run at a playoff spot. First Pudge takes one for the team, then Gardner has a smart at bat giving the Yanks runners at first and second with no outs. I like my odds with Damon and Jeter coming to the plate. We will see.

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Power of positive thinking Yankee brethoren. The haters out there are going to hate regardless. So what Damon just struck out. Still have Jeter, Abreu, and ARod coming to the plate. And if that won't do, we will take it in extra innings. Never say die.

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Don't give up yet, double plays happen. Hang in there. I will and will be posting back at end of game. Each game is the most important. One at a time.

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Well, it sure was not done easily but the bullpen stepped up and the Yankees did start their streak. Also, I noticed that Boston lost today and TB is currently down by 1. That means a one game gain to begin this streak of playing ridiculous possibly. And I do agree on that comment earlier about them needing to play ridiculous baseball. With that said, the Yankees have the talent to do just that. The question will be can they all get it going at the same time. That is what remains to be seen through the rest of this season. As a fan, I have to remain optimistic and give all the good Karma I can to them.

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danny_n94 wrote:

But they are not gonna make they playoffs. If they cant even be KC at home how can anyone think they are gonna catch the Rays or Redsox. Except delusional Yankee fan

I guess 3-2 and 15-6 means you lose nowadays huh? Where do you people come up with this stuff?

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kantwistaye wrote:

But realistically, at best they probably hope to go 4-2 in those games. Thats only a net of 2 games. That said, they still need to play ridiculous baseball over the next 40 games, regardless of how many games against the Sox they play. If they Sox play better .500 from here on out, the Yankees are pretty much done.
By the way, Coolstandings has them down to a 4.9% chance of making it.

Yea your statement applies to just about every team but the Yankees. And heck if they really do not make it, is it really that big of a deal?

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Gazzo wrote:

I guess 3-2 and 15-6 means you lose nowadays huh? Where do you people come up with this stuff?

Well if you would notivce I called my shot before the yankees won the 2 games, not AFTER. Typical that you have no faith in them, or you would have called me out before then. Its so typical of a sensitvie yank fan. It makes it so much sweeter when they lose. Because the yank fan cant respond until something comes out favorable to them. Now thats PATHETIC!

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Gazzo wrote:

Yea your statement applies to just about every team but the Yankees. And heck if they really do not make it, is it really that big of a deal?

I don't get how it doesn't apply to the Yankees. I could be missing something obvious, so feel free to let me in on that. As for it being that big of a deal, I'd say yes. Anytime a major streak comes to an end its a big deal, and it'll be even bigger because its a New York team.

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danny_n94 wrote:

Well if you would notivce I called my shot before the yankees won the 2 games, not AFTER. Typical that you have no faith in them, or you would have called me out before then. Its so typical of a sensitvie yank fan. It makes it so much sweeter when they lose. Because the yank fan cant respond until something comes out favorable to them. Now thats PATHETIC!

I know your having it out with Gazzo and that is Gazzo's argument. I for one called the start of the streak as the Yankees were looking very dire and the game was up for grabs. Since that the Yankees have won two straight and gained a game on both the Sox and TB. I am going to make another off the wall prediction now. The Yankees will not make it in as a wild card. They will need to take the division. I believe the Twinkies or the White Sox will take the wild card. Whoever starts to fold going into the end of the season and whoever excels in the AL East will take the division. I know that is a rather large order but that is what makes sports so great. Anyway danny, I understand your frustrations with Gazzo but when you make the comment about yank fans responding only in favorable situation, I did before they ran off two in a row. And yes, I know it was against the lowly Royals. But its a start. And I am telling you right now that if the Yanks don't pull it off, I am more than ready to take my lumps from everyone. It goes with the territory of being a fan of such an amazing franchise. Life is too good to be angry. Ignore those that frustrate you and you will find that your happiness will be everlasting.

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danny_n94 wrote:

Well if you would notivce I called my shot before the yankees won the 2 games, not AFTER. Typical that you have no faith in them, or you would have called me out before then. Its so typical of a sensitvie yank fan. It makes it so much sweeter when they lose. Because the yank fan cant respond until something comes out favorable to them. Now thats PATHETIC!

Sorry that I don't live on this website in order to respond in the time frame that you believe is necessary. What are you even doing opening your mouth about them being unable to beat a team, when only one game has been played in the series anyway? Grow up dude.

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kantwistaye wrote:

I don't get how it doesn't apply to the Yankees. I could be missing something obvious, so feel free to let me in on that. As for it being that big of a deal, I'd say yes. Anytime a major streak comes to an end its a big deal, and it'll be even bigger because its a New York team.

Have you watched baseball at all in the last 10 years? The Yanks have the best record post-all star break in each one of those years, and they have made big runs like this before. Does that mean that it will absolutely happen this year? No, but they would be the most likely team to be able to make such a run is all.

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Gazzo wrote:

Have you watched baseball at all in the last 10 years? The Yanks have the best record post-all star break in each one of those years, and they have made big runs like this before. Does that mean that it will absolutely happen this year? No, but they would be the most likely team to be able to make such a run is all.

If thats true, then fine. As much as I rant against the Yankees, I really don't have much of anything against them. I just think a 5 game deficit with 33 games is almost insurmountable.

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kantwistaye wrote:

If thats true, then fine. As much as I rant against the Yankees, I really don't have much of anything against them. I just think a 5 game deficit with 33 games is almost insurmountable.

And I think that that's a ridiculous statement at best. 5 games is nothing. Just ask the 2007 Phillies/Rockies, along with a host of other recent teams. But hey, to each his own right?

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Gazzo wrote:

And I think that that's a ridiculous statement at best. 5 games is nothing. Just ask the 2007 Phillies/Rockies, along with a host of other recent teams. But hey, to each his own right?

Fair enough. We'll see how it unfolds.

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(Edited 08/28/08 12:34AM by JKB37)
Gazzo wrote:

Have you watched baseball at all in the last 10 years? The Yanks have the best record post-all star break in each one of those years, and they have made big runs like this before. Does that mean that it will absolutely happen this year? No, but they would be the most likely team to be able to make such a run is all.

I could not find the numbers, but I know that for at least three of the last ten years Oakland has had the best record after the all star break. Not to say that it's impossible for the Yankees, but the odds are looking longer and longer every day.

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