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11/22/08
Notre Dame Loses To Syracuse 24-23. Charlie Weis To Be Fired?
Charlie Weis Should Be Fired, Even Though It Won't Happen Just Yet
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Whether you're a Charlie Weis supporter or hater, or even just a random college football fan, after today, it should now be clear to you that Weis needs to be fired. Today the Irish, playing AT HOME, and up 20-10 heading into the 4th quarter against a team that was 2-8 with a lame duck coach, somehow managed to lose.

This is the worst loss of Weis's tenure, and probably the worst loss of the last 15 years for the school. I don't remember a loss by Bob Davie or Ty Willingham being anywhere near this bad.

Let's just go over how awful Syracuse is. First, they're arguably the worst BCS conference team outside the state of Washington. Two, Syracuse had two wins this season coming into this game - over Louisville and Northeastern. Three, Syracuse hadn't won on the road in more than year. 

And on top of all this, remember that before last week's game against Navy, Charlie Weis said publicly he would take over sole responsibility of offensive playcalling for the Navy and Syracuse games.

So, in other words, this loss is entirely on Weis. He "accepted the challenge" of pitting his play calling against two of the worst D-1 schools in the country - all while throwing his offensive coordinator under the bus - and I'm sure he arrogantly thought he could sleepwalk through these two games and stave off the criticism aimed at him. Except he failed. Magnificently.

Now, it's unlikely that Weis will be fired, but that's only because of the massive buyout it would take to get rid of him. People hardly want to be dropping millions these days - even schools - with the way the economy is. But you can be damn sure that the majority of the boosters will be ready to get rid of Weis at the first possible opportunity.

And if you're worried that Weis will suddenly whip off some big wins that make people change their minds, forget it. What's the biggest win of Weis's coaching career at Notre Dame? There isn't one. Not a single one. And that won't change. He's too arrogant of a prick to change.

And last, but certainly not least, I should inform you that Notre Dame fans were actually so pissed by the team's performance against Syracuse that they threw snowballs at Notre Dame's players. Not even Philly fans throw snowballs at their own players.

At first people started by throwing the snow in the air, but then began quickly tossing snowballs toward the Notre Dame sideline. Defensive lineman Ian Williams got hit in the helmet, defensive end Ethan Johnson was struck on the left cheek and a St. Joseph County police officer on the sideline looking into the crowd got hit in the chest.

When the Irish defense held a meeting on the sideline, injured linebacker Brian Smith stood on a bench to try to shield his teammates. But when a snowball hit defensive tackle Pat Kuntz, he stood and faced the crowd and appeared to challenge whoever threw it to come down on the field
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Part of me says that's unfair, another part of me says, man, if any team ever deserved to have this happen to them, it's Notre Dame.

But in the broader context, would you want to keep a coach who once made fans so angry that they pelted their own team with snowballs? I sure as hell wouldn't.

Weis regrettably won't be fired for this game, as he should be. But it's all right, because he not only dug his own grave by losing this game, he buried himself too.
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11/23/08
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Hey....if the guy dug his own grave, then you've gotta give him some props.  That's a lot of work for a guy that size.  Cut him some slack.


11/22/08
0
I really wouldn't be surprised if he's fired after this year.  This 'Cuse game may have been the proverbial nail in the coffin.

11/22/08
0
Notre dame is once again complete frauds!

11/22/08
1
RainMan wrote:
Notre dame is once again complete frauds!
At least this time, we know they won't get a BCS bowl that they don't deserve. They'll just get a different top-tier bowl that they don't deserve, since all the networks will kiss their ass anyway.

11/22/08
1
As a Michigan fan I hope this isn't us next year.

11/22/08
2
It amazes me that Chariel Weis is still so smug about it all.  He acts as if it's our honor to watch him construct his magic plays, when in reality, he's been stealing money since he left New England.  He should wake up every day and thank the Patriots for setting him up for life.  Maybe I'm misreading him but he always comes off as a jerk to me.  When he got toppled on the sideline earlier this year, I have to admit I thought it was funny. 

11/23/08
2
woody050681 wrote:
As a Michigan fan I hope this isn't us next year.
If Michigan is bowl eligible next year, it will be a vast improvement.

11/23/08
2
(Edited by kantwistaye)

I've been a Charlie Weis guy since he left New England and I'm the type of person that doesn't like admit he's wrong, but damn I was wrong.  Weis is just not a good coach.  Notre Dame needs to move on.  They need an X's and O's guy.  Notre Dame will always be able to bring in talent, they just need someone to make the most out of it.


11/23/08
0
Finally, the national media realize that Weis is NOT a lengendary coach.  He had early success with decent talent that he inheirted from Wilingham.  Once Weis had to do his own recuirting and coaching his own players, he has showed his true colors. Has no excuses this year because ND should had won at least 8 games with a very medicore schedule, but will finish with 6, unless they beat USC next week.  Here is a breakdown of their wins and loses

Wins
San Diego St.
Michigan
Purdue
Stanford
Washington
at Navy

Losses
at Michingan St.
at #22 UNC
Pitt
Boston College

ND had a few chances to get some nice wins with Michigan St., UNC, Pitt, or BC (now all are ranked teams).  Their best win are either Stanford (finished middle of the Pac 10) or Purdue (finished bottom of the Big 10) but both of the latter teams are below .500.  The only team they beat with a winning record is Navy.  

ND will go to a Bowl Game because of their name, and their fans will travel.  But do they really deserve to go to a Bowl Game over an ACC team that will finish 6-6 (very good chance the ACC could have 2 or 3 teams finish 6-6 and not go to Bowl Games because the ACC is only allocated 9 spots)?  ND is 0-8 or 0-9 in their last Bowl Games.  My guess is because they are going to games that they do not deserve to be in due to a medicore schedule that does not prepare them to face the team scheduled in the Bowl Game.

Charlie Wies is a big reason why ND is not the program it use to be, but I believe a lot of the blame goes to ND.  They have watered down their schedule to get wins, rather than quality wins. They refuse to go into a confernce because of their TV contract with NBC.  If ND joined a conference then they would face better competition, thus either forcing themselves to get better or go down the tubes.  The Alumni live in the past, and have not lowered academic requirements to be a student athelte, thus limiting their recuirting base.  

ND reminds me of a grumpy old man that is stuck in the past, still believes at the WW II Vets are the most superior to any other generation, and refuses acknowledge the need for change.

11/23/08
4

Hey....if the guy dug his own grave, then you've gotta give him some props.  That's a lot of work for a guy that size.  Cut him some slack.


11/23/08
0
I'm not gonna read anything here cause I have 3 simple things to say.  1.  He's owed WAY to much money to be bought out specially in this economic hardship.  2. He's just not cut out for college it seems, like I heard a radio host say (with a fab point) in college u have XX hours to get work done in the pros u can go for days on end u have time to use all that genius.  3.  I'm tired of seeing his bloated ass face on TV saying shit when it all comes down to it that he's got around the same record as all 3 coaches post Lou Holtz and ND seems to be lowering their standards of excellence. 

PS I see Philly is mentioning that ND won't lower their academic standards THEY SHOULDN'T it's an institution for learning not a college football factory.  Education should be first above all including atheletics because when all is said and done and all the lights have burned out what do u have then?  Nothing?  Something?  Anything?

11/23/08
1
Heyhey1970 wrote:
It amazes me that Chariel Weis is still so smug about it all.  He acts as if it's our honor to watch him construct his magic plays, when in reality, he's been stealing money since he left New England.  He should wake up every day and thank the Patriots for setting him up for life.  Maybe I'm misreading him but he always comes off as a jerk to me.  When he got toppled on the sideline earlier this year, I have to admit I thought it was funny. 
I agree with you, I believe Weis comes off as arrogant.  He has not achieved anything in College Football, but acts like he has won a National Championship.  I give him respect for being the Offense Cordinator for the Patroit's 3 Super Bowls, but he was not the Head Coach.

Personally, I believe Weis entered College Football at too big of Program for his 1st head coaching job.  He should have started at a school that is either a non BCS college or a team near the bottom of a BCS College that used to have a good tradation and be able to bring respecct back to their program ( A Syracuse or Washington). My point is that  instead of getting just getting his toe wet, he jumped into the pool

11/23/08
1
(Edited by phillydeac4life)
djjfrench wrote:
I'm not gonna read anything here cause I have 3 simple things to say.  1.  He's owed WAY to much money to be bought out specially in this economic hardship.  2. He's just not cut out for college it seems, like I heard a radio host say (with a fab point) in college u have XX hours to get work done in the pros u can go for days on end u have time to use all that genius.  3.  I'm tired of seeing his bloated ass face on TV saying shit when it all comes down to it that he's got around the same record as all 3 coaches post Lou Holtz and ND seems to be lowering their standards of excellence. 

PS I see Philly is mentioning that ND won't lower their academic standards THEY SHOULDN'T it's an institution for learning not a college football factory.  Education should be first above all including atheletics because when all is said and done and all the lights have burned out what do u have then?  Nothing?  Something?  Anything?
You misread my point.  A college or Alumni base should not cry about losing, if they are not willing to give something up.  If they want the best players in the country, but their SAT scores are 150 points below the requirements, then choose what you want. The best players in the country, and a Top 10 or Top 15 Football program, or above average players maintain while maintaing the academic standards and 7 or 8 wins a year with a mid level Bowl Game.  However, if you want to maintain your academic standards, then DO NOT cry and complain about the Football program.  I am NOT saying ND should lower their academic standards, but ND needs to understand that you can not have your cake and eat it to.

Notre Dame is a Top 15 to 20 Academic College in Country.  Here are the other colleges that are ranked in the Top 25 for academics in a BCS Division Duke, Northwestern, Vandy, Cal-Berkley, UCLA and Virginia.  Is there a perennial Top 15 College Football Team above?  Cal-Berkely, UCLA and UVA have decent football programs, but they are not competting for NC every year or every other year.  They get mid level Bowl Games, maybe a New Year's Eve or Day Bowl every couple of years.  The link for list of The Top 25 Academic Colleges is below (I used US News & World Report)

http://colleges.usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/college/national-search 

I know a little about colleges choosing to maintain their academic standards over sports.  My dad played Football at Wake Forest.  The main reason they were in the bottom of the ACC for years was because they refused to lower their SAT Scores for Football.  Wake finally lowered their SAT requirements a few years ago for football,  and they have become successful compared to their past  (If WFU goes to a Bowl Game this year, then it would be the  1st time ever WFU went to 3 Bowl Games in a row).  Even after lowering their SAT requirements they still have one of the highest graduation rates for football programs in the country.

However, the SAT scores are lowered a little bit for basketball because they school looks at the Team's GPA, and WFU litterly had 3 or 4 freshman and sophomores whose main purpose was to have high GPA's to "average out" the team's GPA so it met the school's requirements.  These students would play on the pratice squad, and after their sophomore year transfer to another school so they could (1) start their junior and senior year (2) be able to complete graduate school because when they transfer to another college they have to red shirt for a year to become eligible.  

11/23/08
1
Fire Weis, Fire Crennell and have them ink up with the Pats for a second round. Heres to reliving the glory days.

11/23/08
0
 Weiss should go, there's no doubt about that.  The funny thing, is that the buyout for his contract is around 20 million. Notre lame better get ready to fork over some cash!

11/23/08
1
They should make Notre Dame play Washington, if they can't win then Charlie Weis is the worst college football coach ever.

11/23/08
0
 Les Miles is one of the most overrated coaches in the country.  He has been playing with Saban's recuits.  Last year there were 4 games that he gambled on late in the 4th quarter, and got lucky.  His true coaching abilities are now coming out

11/23/08
0
Philly I agree but I don't think that the high academics talk fits this situation mainly due to the fact that ND has had great prominent success and has big time names who comment and talk about the system.  I think it's just that there's a depression in the program and some other things.  I know I know he needs his players but Michigan shouldn't look so bad atleast defensively, Joe Pa was struggling for awhile, Miami now, FSU, and so on.  I just think that there's part problem that some of those schools are in places (weather wise) people don't want to play, have people not doing a good job recruiting, and are well known and still get love but there's much more parity in CFB.  Not to mention I think the more coverage hurts them, a kid can go to Boise St., Hawaii, Utah, Miami (OH), TCU, etc and still get coverage if their good.

Let me give a hand to Pete Carroll for someone who stocks up talent year in and year out he does a fantastic job managing the program.

11/23/08
0
I think he can recruit.  But, he is not college coach material.  He needs to go back to the pros.  He needs to work with these guys and he is not getting any where.  I do not see his situation improving!

 
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