Ohio State and Florida State should be the top two teams in the BCS standings

Is Auburn better than Ohio State? Yes, but they still shouldn't be ranked higher

12/2/13 in NCAAF   |   Pat   |   5145 respect

Nov 2, 2013; West Lafayette, IN, USA; Ohio State Buckeyes coach Urban Meyer talks to quarterback Braxton Miller (5) during a game against the Purdue Boilermakers at Ross Ade Stadium. Ohio State defeats Purdue 56-0. Mandatory Credit: Brian Spurlock-USA TODAY SportsIt has already started. With Alabama's loss to Auburn, people are already clamoring for an SEC team to somehow surpass Ohio State in the BCS rankings.

The Big Ten is garbage, they say.

Ohio State hasn't beaten anyone, they say.

There are 4-5 teams in the SEC that would wipe the floor with Ohio State, they say.

To be fair, all three of those statements are probably true. However, that doesn't mean Ohio State doesn't deserve a chance to play in the BCS Championship game if they beat Michigan State in their conference championship game.

We already know that the BCS system is broken. Even the BCS folks know that, as evidenced by the fact that we'll see a 4-team playoff next year. But the broken system doesn't mean we need to feed into it by ignoring wins and losses.

Would Auburn or Alabama (or even Missouri, South Carolina, LSU, Georgia and Texas A&M) beat Ohio State if they played on a neutral field? Honestly, I think they would. But it doesn't matter.

Ohio State won all of their games. Florida State won all of their games. Alabama didn't. Neither did Auburn, Missouri, or any of the other teams lobbying for a spot in the championship game.

Most would agree that Florida State belongs in the title game, but Ohio State seems to be the sticking point. Now that Auburn got the win over Alabama, the popular choice is to leapfrog them over Ohio State, despite their loss to LSU.

Thanks to the fact that the Auburn win over Alabama is still fresh in our minds, people are ignoring that Auburn's overall resumé isn't even close to Alabama. They have a worse loss, and Alabama has better wins, even if Auburn beats Mizzou in the SEC championship.

The bottom line is that college football is the only sports league that somehow believes that it's ok to ignore wins and losses and try to use the eyeball test to determine the best team.

We've all agreed that the system is broken. But let's not break it further by snubbing a team with the longest winning streak in the country.

Ohio State belongs in the championship if they beat Michigan State next Saturday. It's that simple.
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12/2/13   |   MortonsLaw   |   156 respect

Dan, good news is the SEC is exploring a nine-game schedule. As an Alabama fan I am a proponent of this, because it's a joke they play the likes of Chatanooga, or any other non conference opponent not ranked. 

Is it Ohio state's fault their conference is a joke? No. They can't not play conference games. It's not like Urban Meyer can say 'my conference sucks, can we play 3 SEC games, 3 PAC 12 games
and 3 ACC games'?

With that said, while Ohio State can score with most teams in the country, their defense is a total disaster. Just a comparison: People (including myself) were blown away by Auburn's success on the ground against Alabama. Yet, that was Auburn's only real source of offense and they were still out gained in the game, while scoring 28 offensive points.

Ohio State got gashed for 600 yards of offense against Michigan and 41 points. It makes you wonder how many yards and points they would give up to Bama or Auburn. 
 
While I root hard for the SEC (Bama fan), part of me wants to see Ohio State play FSU just so we can watch them get embarrassed as they did against Florida years back. Apparently watching Notre Dame get manhandled last year wasnt good enough for people. Lets just keep enjoying blowouts. 

12/2/13   |   Dan_B   |   1066 respect

Pat wrote:
I'm sure you're trying to pump the Pac 12's tires here, but let's be serious. Every team schedules non-conference cupcakes. Very few teams challenge themselves when they don't have to. And once again, that's because the system sucks and it rewards that sort of gutless mediocrity.

Well, it isn't just the Pac-12. The Big 12 also has the 9-game conference schedule and the Big 10 is moving to one in the near future. I do think it should be mandatory. And I agree that not enough teams challenge each themselves -- it is refreshing when they do -- but my problem is with the mindset that if you haven't lost than your resume is automatically better. I don't agree with that. Having said all that, I agree FSU-OSU makes sense this year. Parsing between the 1-loss teams is hard enough, and when you look at Auburn, they got very lucky in winning two of their games (Georgia and Alabama) and barely snuck by perennial Pac-12 doormat Washington State, at home.

12/2/13   |   kantwistaye   |   4201 respect

Re: The Alabama/Auburn thing.  The reason why Alabama has a better loss is because it was to Auburn. That's why Auburn deserves to be ahead of them.  Plus, its pretty hard to say Alabama has better wins.  They're in the same division, however Auburn had tougher crossover games and will (potentially) beat another top 5 team this weekend that Alabama never had to play.  If you look at each team's schedule, they both dominated and struggled with the same teams with the exception of LSU, who is a pretty good team too.

I won't go into the Ohio State thing because Sparty is better than them and the only way Ohio State survives is if a second team beats themselves while playing the Buckeyes this year. Not to mention if Devin Gardner had waited a tick longer Jeremy Gallon would've been wide open and Ohio State would've lost to Michigan. Michigan.

12/2/13   |   Pat   |   5145 respect

Dan_B wrote:
My trouble with the SEC (and the Big 10 and ACC) is that they play an 8-game conference schedule, instead of a 9-game conference schedule. That artificially inflates the performance of the conference, cause it essentially prevents less cannibalism. Sure, Ohio State and Florida State beat who was on their schedule, but they also chose to schedule teams like Bethune-Cookman, Idaho and Florida A&M. I am not saying that they don't belong in the title game, but I am saying that teams should not be rewarded for scheduling cupcakes. 

I'm sure you're trying to pump the Pac 12's tires here, but let's be serious. Every team schedules non-conference cupcakes. Very few teams challenge themselves when they don't have to. And once again, that's because the system sucks and it rewards that sort of gutless mediocrity.

12/2/13   |   Dan_B   |   1066 respect

My trouble with the SEC (and the Big 10 and ACC) is that they play an 8-game conference schedule, instead of a 9-game conference schedule. That artificially inflates the performance of the conference, cause it essentially prevents less cannibalism. Sure, Ohio State and Florida State beat who was on their schedule, but they also chose to schedule teams like Bethune-Cookman, Idaho and Florida A&M. I am not saying that they don't belong in the title game, but I am saying that teams should not be rewarded for scheduling cupcakes. 

12/2/13   |   The_Real_Stoney   |   24056 respect

The SEC benefits from the myth that their teams deserve bonus points for playing in a top heavy, 75% mediocre conference. Alabama is a seriously flawed team, their best win was at home vs a good but not great LSU team. Their only other key win was against a wildly overrated A&M team. Auburn is a seriously flawed team and is one bad defensive play from being a 2 loss team and nowhere near this BCS conversation.
Ohio State is undefeated in an alleged power conference, they've beat who is on their schedule, and even though anything that happened last year should have NO impact whatsoever on this year's rankings, they should get a chance to play Florida State in the championship game