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CHansen wrote:

You shouldn't care. That's a HUGE win for today and for the program, in general. I sounded off in another thread, but I think I may have been too harsh. OSU is a legitimate top-10 team; my disdain lies in the now-thwarted possibility that OSU could have gotten to the national championship team and denied us the opportunity to see a matchup between the best teams in the nation, probably between 2 of Oklahoma, Oregon, and LSU.

Oregon v. LSU for the national title. . .

How about Oregon or LSU versus the most talented team in the nation Oklahoma

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Jubanator14 wrote:

How about Oregon or LSU versus the most talented team in the nation Oklahoma

I'm okay with that, too. OU, UO, and LSU are all national champion-worthy, in my opinion, and a game between any 2 of those 3 would be great. How about an OU-UO rematch from last year's game with the blown calls?

I'm pumped; hopefully, 2 out of 3 take care of business, so the NC game will be mostly controversy-free.

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2	Am I the only one hoping that Oregon, LSU, and Kansas win out with Kansas being left out and winning their bowl game giving us another split championship?

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CHansen wrote:

I'm okay with that, too. OU, UO, and LSU are all national champion-worthy, in my opinion, and a game between any 2 of those 3 would be great. How about an OU-UO rematch from last year's game with the blown calls?

I'm pumped; hopefully, 2 out of 3 take care of business, so the NC game will be mostly controversy-free.

Oklahoma vs. Oregon for the 4th straight year would be great as long as there is no Pac 10 refs involved. LSU vs Oklahoma would be nice, from a rematch of the 2003 Sugar Bowl.

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1	kantwistaye wrote: Am I the only one hoping that Oregon, LSU, and Kansas win out with Kansas being left out and winning their bowl game giving us another split championship? Yea, I don't want Kansas to win out at all .

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0	kantwistaye wrote: Am I the only one hoping that Oregon, LSU, and Kansas win out with Kansas being left out and winning their bowl game giving us another split championship? I definately do. How stupid would it be to beat a number 8 missouri...maybe higher and oklahoma in the champ. game then not get top 2.

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kantwistaye wrote:

Am I the only one hoping that Oregon, LSU, and Kansas win out with Kansas being left out and winning their bowl game giving us another split championship?

There won't be a split title. The Harris voters and the coaches are required to vote whoever wins the BCS as champions. The AP poll was rendered irrelevant when the writers opted to not be a part of the BCS. They can vote whoever they want as National Champs and nobody will care.

If Kansas runs the table, they will get in. You can't go undefeated in a BCS conference and not play for the national title. If Kansas, LSU, and Oregon all win out, the Ducks will have to settle for killing Michigan for the 2nd time this year.

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Tron wrote:

There won't be a split title. The Harris voters and the coaches are required to vote whoever wins the BCS as champions. The AP poll was rendered irrelevant when the writers opted to not be a part of the BCS. They can vote whoever they want as National Champs and nobody will care.

If Kansas runs the table, they will get in. You can't go undefeated in a BCS conference and not play for the national title. If Kansas, LSU, and Oregon all win out, the Ducks will have to settle for killing Michigan for the 2nd time this year.

Do you really think that they would want a rematch in a bowl game? That rarely if ever happens.

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0	Jubanator14 wrote: Do you really think that they would want a rematch in a bowl game? That rarely if ever happens. The Rose Bowl gets the Big 10 and Pac-10 champs unless one gets into the BCS title game. I doubt the voters would put Oregon in the title game to avoid a rematch.

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1	Tron wrote: The Rose Bowl gets the Big 10 and Pac-10 champs unless one gets into the BCS title game. I doubt the voters would put Oregon in the title game to avoid a rematch. Oh I know that the Rose Bowl gets Pac and Big 10 Champs but do you really think that the Rose Bowl wants a repeat?

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0	(Edited by Tron) Jubanator14 wrote: Oh I know that the Rose Bowl gets Pac and Big 10 Champs but do you really think that the Rose Bowl wants a repeat? Probably not, but unless OSU wins, they might not have a choice.

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1	Tron wrote: The Rose Bowl gets the Big 10 and Pac-10 champs unless one gets into the BCS title game. I doubt the voters would put Oregon in the title game to avoid a rematch. "I doubt the voters would put Oregon in the title game to avoid a rematch." That statement doesn't make sense. When has the BCS matched up teams in bowls, that already played each other, in the same year?

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0	Kansas does look pretty good, BTW. I hadn't seen them play prior to tonight

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0	Todd wrote: "I doubt the voters would put Oregon in the title game to avoid a rematch." That statement doesn't make sense. When has the BCS matched up teams in bowls, that already played each other, in the same year? That is what I said, I could just see them taking Arizona St in the Rose and Oregon going to like the Fiesta Bowl perhaps.

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Todd wrote:

"I doubt the voters would put Oregon in the title game to avoid a rematch."

That statement doesn't make sense. When has the BCS matched up teams in bowls, that already played each other, in the same year?

In the BCS era, I don't think it has. But remember, the Rose Bowl has special rules. Unless the Pac 10 or Big 10 champion is in the BCS title game, the Big 10 Champ ALWAYS plays the PAC 10 champ in the Rose Bowl. So if Oregon wins out and is the Pac 10 champ, but doesn't get to the BCS title game and Michigan beats OSU next weekend, Michigan will play Oregon in the Rose Bowl. The ONLY way Oregon doesn't go to Pasadena is if it gets into the BCS title game. Since ASU has been to the Rose Bowl more recently, Oregon will be selected. And that assumes ASU will beat USC.

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Tron wrote:

In the BCS era, I don't think it has. But remember, the Rose Bowl has special rules. Unless the Pac 10 or Big 10 champion is in the BCS title game, the Big 10 Champ ALWAYS plays the PAC 10 champ in the Rose Bowl. So if Oregon wins out and is the Pac 10 champ, but doesn't get to the BCS title game and Michigan beats OSU next weekend, Michigan will play Oregon in the Rose Bowl. The ONLY way Oregon doesn't go to Pasadena is if it gets into the BCS title game. Since ASU has been to the Rose Bowl more recently, Oregon will be selected. And that assumes ASU will beat USC.

I guess we will have to wait and see in this crazy season.

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Tron wrote:

In the BCS era, I don't think it has. But remember, the Rose Bowl has special rules. Unless the Pac 10 or Big 10 champion is in the BCS title game, the Big 10 Champ ALWAYS plays the PAC 10 champ in the Rose Bowl. So if Oregon wins out and is the Pac 10 champ, but doesn't get to the BCS title game and Michigan beats OSU next weekend, Michigan will play Oregon in the Rose Bowl. The ONLY way Oregon doesn't go to Pasadena is if it gets into the BCS title game. Since ASU has been to the Rose Bowl more recently, Oregon will be selected. And that assumes ASU will beat USC.

You're assuming WAY too much here. Oregon still has 3 games to play (and two are on the road). Oregon still has a quite a gauntlet to go through.

There's no guarantee (at all) of the Big 10-Pac 10 alliance, if everything plays out. If Oregon wins out, and even if Michigan BEATS Ohio State next week, the Ducks and Wolverines won't play each other in a bowl this year. I guarantee it. The Ducks could either be in the Rose (or other BCS bowl), or the NC, only if they win out. I imagine the same will happen for Michigan (Rose or other BCS), if they win next Saturday. But the two won't play each other (but rather other BCS opponents), no matter what.

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0	(Edited by Tron) Jubanator14 wrote: I guess we will have to wait and see in this crazy season. Check out the Rose Bowl website. I think LSU and Oregon are the two best teams, but unless Kansas loses, you will see them in the Rose Bowl.

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Todd wrote:

You're assuming WAY too much here. Oregon still has 3 games to play (and two are on the road). Oregon still has a quite a gauntlet to go through.

There's no guarantee (at all) of the Big 10-Pac 10 alliance, if everything plays out. If Oregon wins out, and even if Michigan BEATS Ohio State next week, the Ducks and Wolverines won't play each other in a bowl this year. I guarantee it. The Ducks could either be in the Rose (or other BCS bowl), or the NC, only if they win out. I imagine the same will happen for Michigan (Rose or other BCS), if they win next Saturday. But the two won't play each other (but rather other BCS opponents), no matter what.

The only assumption I am making is that Oregon is not in the NC game . If Oregon wins the Pac 10 outright and doesn't get into the NC game, they go to Rose Bowl. It's 100% guaranteed. In the event that happens they will play either Michigan or Ohio State. That is 100% guaranteed.

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Tron wrote:

The only assumption I am making is that Oregon is not in the NC game . If Oregon wins the Pac 10 outright and doesn't get into the NC game, they go to Rose Bowl. It's 100% guaranteed. In the event that happens they will play either Michigan or Ohio State. That is 100% guaranteed.

Won't happen. Let me give you an example. Assuming Oregon doesn't get to the NC, but both teams win out:

Oregon (Rose or Fiesta, other BCS venues less likely, but possible), Michigan (Rose, Fiesta, Orange or Sugar [non-NC])

I'm going to use Oklahoma as a good example, because I think they'll beat Kansas, but not make the NC:

Rose Bowl possibilities: Oregon and Oklahoma OR Michigan and Oklahoma

Fiesta Bowl possibilities: Oregon and Oklahoma OR Michigan and Oklahoma

(and so on)

Do you see the trend? Oregon and Michigan WILL NOT play twice in one year, despite your desire to see a rematch. Bowl officials don't want it, and will do anything to avoid that scenario.

Oregon-Ohio State in the Rose Bowl? Yes

Oregon-Michigan? No

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Tron wrote:

Check out the Rose Bowl website. I think LSU and Oregon are the two best teams, but unless Kansas loses, you will see them in the Rose Bowl.

Yea we all know that the Rose Bowl means Pac 10 versus Big 10. It always has but we are just saying that the people who pick the bowls, not the BCS but the actual guys who do the inviting/picking, would not want to have a rematch of a game already played this year. Say Oklahoma and LSU play in the NC, that would mean that the Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl would get the first picks for replacement teams. I think that the Fiesta would be more inclined to take Oregon than some two loss team for the simple fact that they would be able to travel there easier and would travel well. Then the Sugar would take who ever. That is how the BCS Bowls works.

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1) The Rose Bowl will take the Big 10 and Pac 10 champions. They made sure it was in the 1998 agreement to join the BCS. The only times it hasn't happened were when Ohio State played in the NC game (Oklahoma beat Washington St.), when USC played in the NC game (Texas beat Michigan), or the two times the NC game was played at the Rose Bowl (USC-Texas and Miami-Nebraska). There is no conspiracy involved, it will suck, but they won't conspire to stop it. If the BCS could do such a thing, then Utah vs. Pittsburgh in the 2005 Fiesta Bowl would never have happened.

2) This wouldn't be the first bowl rematch, Florida-Florida St. rematched in the Sugar Bowl in 1996.

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Jubanator14 wrote:

Yea we all know that the Rose Bowl means Pac 10 versus Big 10. It always has but we are just saying that the people who pick the bowls, not the BCS but the actual guys who do the inviting/picking, would not want to have a rematch of a game already played this year. Say Oklahoma and LSU play in the NC, that would mean that the Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl would get the first picks for replacement teams. I think that the Fiesta would be more inclined to take Oregon than some two loss team for the simple fact that they would be able to travel there easier and would travel well. Then the Sugar would take who ever. That is how the BCS Bowls works.

Yes, exactly!!

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Tron wrote:

1) The Rose Bowl will take the Big 10 and Pac 10 champions. They made sure it was in the 1998 agreement to join the BCS. The only times it hasn't happened were when Ohio State played in the NC game (Oklahoma beat Washington St.), when USC played in the NC game (Texas beat Michigan), or the two times the NC game was played at the Rose Bowl (USC-Texas and Miami-Nebraska). There is no conspiracy involved, it will suck, but they won't conspire to stop it. If the BCS could do such a thing, then Utah vs. Pittsburgh in the 2005 Fiesta Bowl would never have happened.

2) This wouldn't be the first bowl rematch, Florida-Florida St. rematched in the Sugar Bowl in 1996.

That Florida-Florida St rematch was before the BCS.

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Jubanator14 wrote:

Yea we all know that the Rose Bowl means Pac 10 versus Big 10. It always has but we are just saying that the people who pick the bowls, not the BCS but the actual guys who do the inviting/picking, would not want to have a rematch of a game already played this year. Say Oklahoma and LSU play in the NC, that would mean that the Fiesta Bowl and Sugar Bowl would get the first picks for replacement teams. I think that the Fiesta would be more inclined to take Oregon than some two loss team for the simple fact that they would be able to travel there easier and would travel well. Then the Sugar would take who ever. That is how the BCS Bowls works.

If it were possible, I agree that would be the best way to go about it. But the Rose Bowl is protected. Remember in 1992 when the conferences 1st tried to get an NC game through the Bowl Coalition and then the 1996 Bowl Alliance? In 1994 Nebraska didn't play Penn St because PSU was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1996 Florida St. played Florida because Arizona St. was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1997, Nebraska couldn't play Michigan because UM was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1998 an agreement was reached that the Rose Bowl will "release" the Big 10 and Pac 10 from their contract with the Rose Bowl if either team was ranked 1 or 2 in the BCS standings. If they were not 1 or 2, the two conferences have a contract to send their conference champion to the Rose Bowl.

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Tron wrote:

If it were possible, I agree that would be the best way to go about it. But the Rose Bowl is protected. Remember in 1992 when the conferences 1st tried to get an NC game through the Bowl Coalition and then the 1996 Bowl Alliance? In 1994 Nebraska didn't play Penn St because PSU was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1996 Florida St. played Florida because Arizona St. was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1997, Nebraska couldn't play Michigan because UM was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1998 an agreement was reached that the Rose Bowl will "release" the Big 10 and Pac 10 from their contract with the Rose Bowl if either team was ranked 1 or 2 in the BCS standings. If they were not 1 or 2, the two conferences have a contract to send their conference champion to the Rose Bowl.

We will see what happens, and if you are right about Michigan and Oregon playing in the Rose Bowl, I will come back here and give you a smart thumbs up for every comment.

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Tron wrote:

If it were possible, I agree that would be the best way to go about it. But the Rose Bowl is protected. Remember in 1992 when the conferences 1st tried to get an NC game through the Bowl Coalition and then the 1996 Bowl Alliance? In 1994 Nebraska didn't play Penn St because PSU was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1996 Florida St. played Florida because Arizona St. was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1997, Nebraska couldn't play Michigan because UM was tied to the Rose Bowl. In 1998 an agreement was reached that the Rose Bowl will "release" the Big 10 and Pac 10 from their contract with the Rose Bowl if either team was ranked 1 or 2 in the BCS standings. If they were not 1 or 2, the two conferences have a contract to send their conference champion to the Rose Bowl.

Since you seem to forget that the ironclad Rose Bowl Pac-10/Big 10 agreement was loosened (to a fault) with the inception of the BCS, here's the history since 1998 (check out the bold, underlined Rose Bowl games I've marked):

1998 Regular Season

In the first year of the Bowl Championship Series, Kansas State, Tennessee, and UCLA entered the final weekend of the regular season undefeated, but Kansas State lost to Texas A&M in the Big 12 championship game, and UCLA lost at Miami, creating a classic Tennessee-Florida State matchup for the national championship in the Fiesta Bowl. Tennessee emerged with the victory.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Florida State (11-1)
Big East: Syracuse (8-3)
Big Ten: Wisconsin (10-1)
Big 12: Texas A&M (11-2)
Pac-10: UCLA (10-1)
Southeastern: Tennessee (12-0)

Other Participants
Florida (9-2) Ohio State (10-1)

The Matchups
Fiesta Bowl: (1) Tennessee 23, (2) Florida State 16
Orange Bowl: (8) Florida 31, (15) Syracuse 10
Sugar Bowl: (4) Ohio State 24, (6) Texas A&M 14
Rose Bowl: (9) Wisconsin 38, (5) UCLA 31

1999 Regular Season

The BCS formula worked to perfection when two undefeated teams-No. 1 Florida State and No. 2 Virginia Tech played in the Sugar Bowl. Florida State won its second title.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Florida State (11-0)
Big East: Virginia Tech (11-0)
Big Ten: Wisconsin (9-2)
Big 12: Nebraska (11-1)
Pac-10: Stanford (8-3)
Southeastern: Alabama (10-2)

Other Participants
Michigan (9-2)
Tennessee (9-2)

The Matchups
Sugar Bowl: (1) Florida State 46, (2) Virginia Tech 29
Fiesta Bowl: (3) Nebraska 31, (5) Tennessee 21
Orange Bowl: (8) Michigan 35, (4) Alabama 34
Rose Bowl: (7) Wisconsin 17, (22) Stanford 9

2000 Regular Season

Again, the BCS produced a consensus national champion. There was no doubt which team was No.1-Oklahoma, defeated Florida State in the Orange Bowl to finish 13-0. On bowl Selection Sunday, three once-beaten teams were vying for a spot against the Sooners in the national championship game, Florida State, Miami and Washington. Miami had beaten Florida State during the regular season, and Washington had beaten Miami. However, Florida State earned the spot by finishing second in the BCS Standings, on the strength of victories over three ranked opponents (including two in the top ten.)

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Florida State (11-1)
Big East: Miami (10-1)
Big Ten: Purdue (8-3)
Big 12: Oklahoma (12-0)
Pac-10: Washington (10-1)
Southeastern: Florida (10-2)

Other Participants
Notre Dame (9-2)
Oregon State (10-1)

The Matchups
Orange Bowl: (1) Oklahoma 13, (2) Florida State 2
Sugar Bowl: (3) Miami 37, (7) Florida 20
Rose Bowl: (4) Washington 34, (14) Purdue 24
Fiesta Bowl: (6) Oregon State 41, (11) Notre Dame 9

2001 Regular Season

Undefeated No. 1 Miami won the national championship by defeating Nebraska in the first Rose Bowl game in 55 years involving teams from outside the Big Ten and Pac-10. The Huskers, who spent much of the season as the No. 2 team in the nation, benefited from a rash of upsets on the final weekend of the regular season and in conference championship games to earn their spot in the national title game. Nebraska suffered its only loss of the regular season in its finale against Colorado. After the spate of upsets, Nebraska edged once-beaten Pac-10 champion Oregon for the No. 2 spot in the final BCS Standings to advance to the Rose Bowl. The Hurricanes' Rose Bowl victory extended their winning streak to 23 games.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Maryland (10-1)
Big East: Miami (11-0)
Big Ten: Illinois (10-1)
Big 12: Colorado (10-2)
Pac-10: Oregon (10-1)
Southeastern: LSU (9-3)

Other Participants
Nebraska (11-1)
Florida (9-2)

The Matchups
Rose Bowl: (1) Miami 37, (2) Nebraska 14
Fiesta Bowl: (4) Oregon 38, (3) Colorado 16
Sugar Bowl: (13) LSU 47, (8) Illinois 34
Orange Bowl: (5) Florida 56, (10) Maryland 23

2002 Regular Season

The BCS formula created a national championship matchup for the ages when undefeated and No.1 Miami met undefeated and No. 2 Ohio State in the Fiesta Bowl. In one of the greatest football games ever played, the Buckeyes won, 31-24, in double overtime, to the end the Hurricanes' remarkable 34-game winning streak.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Florida State (9-4)
Big East: Miami (12-0)
Big Ten: Ohio State (13-0)
Big 12: Oklahoma (11-2)
Pac-10: Washington State (10-2)
Southeastern: Georgia (12-1)

Other Participants
Iowa (11-1)
USC (10-2)

The Matchups
Fiesta Bowl: (2) Ohio State 31, (1) Miami 24, 2 OT
Sugar Bowl: (3) Georgia 26, (14) Florida State 13
Orange Bowl: (4) USC 38, (5) Iowa 17
Rose Bowl: (7) Oklahoma 34, (6) Washington State 14

2003 Regular Season

LSU won the national championship by beating Oklahoma in a pulsating defensive contest in the Sugar Bowl.

Oklahoma, which spent the season as the top-ranked team in both polls, had earned a spot in the Sugar Bowl by finishing first in the final BCS Standings even though the Sooners were stunned by Kansas State in the Big 12 championship game. LSU, the SEC champion, edged USC for second place in the final BCS Standings to advance to the Sugar Bowl.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Florida State (10-2)
Big East: Miami (10-2)
Big Ten: Michigan (10-2)
Big 12: Kansas State (11-3)
Pac-10: USC (11-1)
Southeastern: LSU (12-1)

Other Participants
Oklahoma (12-1)
Ohio State (10-2)

The Matchups
Sugar Bowl: (2) LSU 21, (1) Oklahoma 14
Orange Bowl: (9) Miami 16, (7) Florida State 14
Rose Bowl: (3) USC 28, (4) Michigan 14
Fiesta Bowl: (5) Ohio State 35, (10) Kansas State 28

2004 Regular Season

Three teams won BCS bowl games to complete undefeated seasons. Top-ranked Southern California won the national champion with a smashing victory over No. 2 Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. Sugar Bowl champion Auburn finished second in the coaches' and writers' polls. Utah, the first Mountain West Conference member to play in a BCS bowl, capped its season with a victory over Pittsburgh in the Fiesta Bowl.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Virginia Tech (10-2)
Big East: Pittsburgh (8-3)
Big Ten: Michigan (9-2)
Big 12: Oklahoma (12-0)
Pac-10: Southern California (12-0)
Southeastern: Auburn (12-0)

Other Participants
Texas (10-1)
Utah (11-0)

The Matchups
Orange Bowl: (1) Southern California 55, (2) Oklahoma 19
Sugar Bowl: (3) Auburn 16, (8) Virginia Tech 13
Rose Bowl: (4) Texas 38, (13) Michigan 37
Fiesta Bowl: (6) Utah 35, (21) Pittsburgh 7

2005 Regular Season

In a matchup that was anticipated all season, No. 2 Texas won the national championship with a thrilling, come-from-behind victory over top-ranked Southern California in the Rose Bowl. Texas and USC were the only Division I-A teams to finish the regular season undefeated, and held the top two spots in the BCS standings all year. Penn State and Florida State played the first triple overtime game in BCS history, with Penn State pulling out a 26-23 victory in the Orange Bowl. West Virginia made its first BCS appearance and defeated Georgia in the Sugar Bowl, which was played in Atlanta in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Florida State (8-4)
Big East: West Virginia (10-1)
Big Ten: Penn State (10-1)
Big 12: Texas (12-0)
Pac-10: Southern California (12-0)
Southeastern: Georgia (10-2)

Other Participants
Ohio State (9-2)
Notre Dame (9-2)

The Matchups
Rose Bowl: (2) Texas 41, (1) Southern California 38
Orange Bowl: (3) Penn State 26, (22) Florida State 23, 3 OT
Sugar Bowl: (11) West Virginia 38, (7) Georgia 35
Fiesta Bowl: (4) Ohio State 34, (6) Notre Dame 20

2006 Regular Season

Florida won the first stand-alone BCS national championship game in a stunning fashion, using a speedy defense and creative offense to overwhelm top-ranked and previously undefeated Ohio State. Glendale, Arizona, played host to two BCS games and Fiesta Bowl fans were treated to one of the most exciting college football games ever when Boise State used a "hook and lateral," a halfback pass and a statue-of-liberty play in the last few minutes of the game to defeat Oklahoma. Louisville and Wake Forest made their first BCS appearances and Muhammad Ali and Arnold Palmer participated in the Orange Bowl coin toss. The LSU Tigers helped the Sugar Bowl celebrate its return to New Orleans with an impressive victory over Notre Dame, and Southern California dominated Michigan in the Rose Bowl.

The Automatic-Qualifying Conference Champions
Atlantic Coast: Wake Forest (11-2)
Big East: Louisville (11-1)
Big Ten: Ohio State (12-0)
Big 12: Oklahoma (11-2)
Pac-10: Southern California (10-2)
Southeastern: Florida (12-1)

Other Participants
Boise State (12-0)
LSU (10-2)
Michigan (11-1)
Notre Dame (10-2)

The Matchups
National Championship Game: (2) Florida 41, (1) Ohio State 14
Rose Bowl: (5) Southern California 32, (3) Michigan 18
Fiesta Bowl: (8) Boise State 43, (10) Oklahoma 42, OT
Orange Bowl: (6) Louisville 24, (14) Wake Forest 13
Sugar Bowl: (4) LSU 41, (11) Notre Dame 14

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Jubanator14 wrote:

We will see what happens, and if you are right about Michigan and Oregon playing in the Rose Bowl, I will come back here and give you a smart thumbs up for every comment.

I know what I am talking about here. With the 1994 Penn St. team not even sharing the title and the 1997 Michigan team splitting the title and not having a chance at Nebraska, there was an uproar in Big 10 country. If for instance Oklahoma plays in the NC game, the Fiesta Bowl technically does get first pick, however, since neither the Big 10 or Pac 10 have teams ranked 1 or 2, the two conferences are contractually obligated to go to the Rose Bowl. So the Fiesta Bowl has first crack at everyone else.

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Todd, your data proves the point. The BCS has been around 9 seasons, and in 5 of them the Rose Bowl contract with the Big 10 and Pac 10 was voided.

After the 2001 and 2005 seasons, the Rose Bowl hosted the NC game, so the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs were not automatically tied into the game.

After the 2002 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the NC game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2004 season, USC was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the Orange Bowl to play Oklahoma in the NC game. Texas played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2006 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the BCS NC game in Arizona. As a result, Michigan was selected to the Rose Bowl.

All other years, the Pac 10 champ played the Big 10 champ in the Rose Bowl, without exception.

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Tron wrote:

Todd, your data proves the point. The BCS has been around 9 seasons, and in 5 of them the Rose Bowl contract with the Big 10 and Pac 10 was voided.

After the 2001 and 2005 seasons, the Rose Bowl hosted the NC game, so the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs were not automatically tied into the game.

After the 2002 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the NC game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2004 season, USC was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the Orange Bowl to play Oklahoma in the NC game. Texas played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2006 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the BCS NC game in Arizona. As a result, Michigan was selected to the Rose Bowl.

All other years, the Pac 10 champ played the Big 10 champ in the Rose Bowl, without exception.

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(Edited by Todd)
Tron wrote:

Todd, your data proves the point. The BCS has been around 9 seasons, and in 5 of them the Rose Bowl contract with the Big 10 and Pac 10 was voided.

After the 2001 and 2005 seasons, the Rose Bowl hosted the NC game, so the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs were not automatically tied into the game.

After the 2002 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the NC game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2004 season, USC was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the Orange Bowl to play Oklahoma in the NC game. Texas played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2006 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the BCS NC game in Arizona. As a result, Michigan was selected to the Rose Bowl.

All other years, the Pac 10 champ played the Big 10 champ in the Rose Bowl, without exception.

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(Edited by Todd)
Tron wrote:

Todd, your data proves the point. The BCS has been around 9 seasons, and in 5 of them the Rose Bowl contract with the Big 10 and Pac 10 was voided.

After the 2001 and 2005 seasons, the Rose Bowl hosted the NC game, so the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs were not automatically tied into the game.

After the 2002 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the NC game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2004 season, USC was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the Orange Bowl to play Oklahoma in the NC game. Texas played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2006 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the BCS NC game in Arizona. As a result, Michigan was selected to the Rose Bowl.

All other years, the Pac 10 champ played the Big 10 champ in the Rose Bowl, without exception.

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Tron wrote:

Todd, your data proves the point. The BCS has been around 9 seasons, and in 5 of them the Rose Bowl contract with the Big 10 and Pac 10 was voided.

After the 2001 and 2005 seasons, the Rose Bowl hosted the NC game, so the Big 10 and Pac 10 champs were not automatically tied into the game.

After the 2002 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the NC game against Miami in the Fiesta Bowl. Oklahoma played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2004 season, USC was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the Orange Bowl to play Oklahoma in the NC game. Texas played in the Rose Bowl instead.

After the 2006 season, Ohio State was ranked in the top 2 and was released to play in the BCS NC game in Arizona. As a result, Michigan was selected to the Rose Bowl.

All other years, the Pac 10 champ played the Big 10 champ in the Rose Bowl, without exception.

Absolutely. But, the Big 10/Pac-10 teams play in the Rose Bowl WHENEVER POSSIBLE, but not every year, especially when two teams have played each other already in the same season.

11/11/07

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Todd wrote:

Absolutely. But, the Big 10/Pac-10 teams play in the Rose Bowl WHENEVER POSSIBLE, but not every year, especially when two teams have played each other already in the same season.

Actually, the Big 10/Pac 10 champs play every year, with 2 exceptions:

1) Whenever the Pac 10/Big 10 champs are ranked in the top 2 in the BCS

2) When the Rose Bowl is the host to the NC game. (Actually, this is no longer an issue with the current format.)

So, to recap, if Oregon wins the Pac 10 outright and does not finish in the top 2 of the BCS standings, they automatically go the Rose Bowl. Regardless of who the Big 10 champ is.

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Tron wrote:

Actually, the Big 10/Pac 10 champs play every year, with 2 exceptions:

1) Whenever the Pac 10/Big 10 champs are ranked in the top 2 in the BCS

2) When the Rose Bowl is the host to the NC game. (Actually, this is no longer an issue with the current format.)

So, to recap, if Oregon wins the Pac 10 outright and does not finish in the top 2 of the BCS standings, they automatically go the Rose Bowl. Regardless of who the Big 10 champ is.

(sigh)

You're right. I have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about. Good luck with Ohio State.

11/11/07

Adam

1	I'm glad Ohio State could show some class after losing the top ranking and start a brawl. Why don't you just transfer to Miami if you wanna do that?

11/11/07

sportsgnork

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1. LSU
2. Oregon
3. Kansas-but this only due the record. their potential match up with OU in the Big 12 Championship game will show if their record and ranking are legit.
4. Oklahoma.
5. WV

There is a strong potential for LSU to lose in the SEC Championship game, especially if they play Georgia. If that is the case, then the winner of the Big 12 championship as long as they remain a one-loss team or undefeated team, will more than likely be in the NC game with Oregon if they win out. Lots is still in the air, but the thought of an LSU vs. Oregon matchup is hard to pass up.

11/11/07

Adam

0	I'm goin 1 LSU 2 Oregon 3 Oklahoma (only due to better victories than Kansas) 4 Kansas 5 WVU

11/11/07

Phillygenius82

2	Adam wrote: I'm glad Ohio State could show some class after losing the top ranking and start a brawl. Why don't you just transfer to Miami if you wanna do that? This is the OB Baby!!!!!

11/11/07

soxfan90

0	Adam wrote: I'm glad Ohio State could show some class after losing the top ranking and start a brawl. Why don't you just transfer to Miami if you wanna do that? because Miami won't offer them as much money!

11/11/07

ahusted

0	IlliniBob72 wrote: Oregon should be No. 1. One loss team from the nation's best conference. I'm sure some will point to Illinois's win today as proof that Ohio State didn't deserve to be number 1. I don't care. Just a great win for the Illini program. yeah. illini are better than most think. they are 3 plays from being undefeated.

11/11/07

BestofChicago

0	Does anyone else besides me think Illinois deserves a ranking? I mean they are 3rd in the Big Ten behind OSU and Mich and just beat "#1" OSU

11/11/07

0	BestofChicago wrote: Does anyone else besides me think Illinois deserves a ranking? I mean they are 3rd in the Big Ten behind OSU and Mich and just beat "#1" OSU Yes they do, and so does Wisconsin. The Big Ten bashing hasn't gotten a wee bit ridiculous this year. It isn't that bad.

11/11/07

BestofChicago

0	kantwistaye wrote: Yes they do, and so does Wisconsin. The Big Ten bashing hasn't gotten a wee bit ridiculous this year. It isn't that bad. Yup, but I have to admit after OSU, Mich, Wis and Ill, it is pretty crappy

11/11/07

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BestofChicago wrote:

Yup, but I have to admit after OSU, Mich, Wis and Ill, it is pretty crappy

There is a big fall-off, but the voters need to judge each team on its own merit. Illinois very easily could've beat Missouri, and now took down Ohio State. They are a legitimately good team.

In the AP Illinois got a 20th ranking, Michigan 23rd, and Wisconsin 24th. Based on yesterday I'd say Wisconsin was better than Michigan but apparently thats just me.

11/11/07

IlliniBob72

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Adam wrote:

I'm glad Ohio State could show some class after losing the top ranking and start a brawl. Why don't you just transfer to Miami if you wanna do that?

Eh, Illini players went out to the "O" at midfield and started celebrating. A fight will break out every time. Hopefully, as the program experiences more and more success, they'll learn how to handle it better. They did the same thing last year after winning at Michigan St., planting the "I" flag on the 50. I'm sure they'll improve their big win celebrations.

11/12/07

BestofChicago

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kantwistaye wrote:

There is a big fall-off, but the voters need to judge each team on its own merit. Illinois very easily could've beat Missouri, and now took down Ohio State. They are a legitimately good team.

In the AP Illinois got a 20th ranking, Michigan 23rd, and Wisconsin 24th. Based on yesterday I'd say Wisconsin was better than Michigan but apparently thats just me.

lol yeah, Wisconsin beat Michigan..... I mean, no big deal right? That doesnt mean anything.

11/12/07

0	I always hate the rank a team one spot behind the team they just beat this past weekend that happens in the AP a lot.

11/12/07

soxfan90

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Jubanator14 wrote:

I always hate the rank a team one spot behind the team they just beat this past weekend that happens in the AP a lot.

You can't base your rankings completely off of one game. If that were the case, then Illinois would be ranked ahead of Ohio State. If you factor in the teams records', the Big Ten standings, records against similar opponents, and the fact that it was a home game for the Badgers last Saturday, Michigan should definately be ranked ahead of the Wisconsin.

11/12/07

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soxfan90 wrote:

You can't base your rankings completely off of one game. If that were the case, then Illinois would be ranked ahead of Ohio State. If you factor in the teams records', the Big Ten standings, records against similar opponents, and the fact that it was a home game for the Badgers last Saturday, Michigan should definately be ranked ahead of the Wisconsin.

Yea I mean down at the bottom though, around the 17-25 range where there really isn't much difference between the teams.

11/12/07

ahusted

0	Illinois should be far ahead of Wisconsin but they aren't. I really just want the Capital One bowl to invite Illinois now so they know where they are playing.

11/12/07