The signs just show how ridiculous college fans can be. They cant pull their heads out of their a$$es and look past the bias that they show towards their own team. Texas got screwed and anyone with half a brain knows that......except OU fans. Or they just don't care because their team benefited from it.

Over their entire schedule, OU had the better overall body of work, plain and simple.

The season is not all about one game, no matter how much Texas fans would like to pretend that it is.

So since we are assured of a place in the BCS title game, are the Longhorns going to defer the Big 12’s auto-bid to Texas Tech based on the two teams’ irrefutable, overriding head-to-head result, or does that only apply when it works in your favor?

Why does it say six comments when there are only three?

It's a bit of a bug, but it's being worked on.

There actually is no automatic bid if and when the winner of the conference is ranked #1 or #2.  The BCS comitte would choose the next best Big 12 team at their discretion.  However, Texas will be guaranteed a BS bowl if they are ranked in the top 4 of the BCS rankings.  This would likely cause the BCS comittee to select Texas for the Big 12 seat in the Fiesta so that they don't have to explain how their rule about having more than two teams from the same BCS conference in the BCS games.

See CBS Sportsline's explanation below.

Fiesta Bowl
	Jan. 5 Glendale, Ariz. BCS vs. BCS
Comment: With Oklahoma going to the BCS Championship game, the Fiesta Bowl will use its replacement pick to take another Big 12 team. Even though Texas Tech beat Texas, if the Longhorns are ranked in the Top 4 of the BCS, they are guaranteed a spot. With its other selection it takes at-large Ohio State.

I know, I was poking fun at the last week where all that mattered was the head to head argument

Poke accepted.

That excuse is going to come back to bite Texas in the A$$ too though.

#1 Florida lost to a #20 ranked 4 loss Mississippi team at home. 
#2 Oklahoma lost to a #3 ranked 1 loss Texas team in Dallas (Neutral Field or Not - your call)
#3 Texas lost to a #8 ranked 1 loss Texas Tech team on the road.
#4 Alabama lost to a #1 ranked 1 loss Florida team in Atlanta (Neutral Field)
#5 USC lost to a #24 ranked 4 loss Oregon State team on the road.
#6 Penn State lost to a non-ranked 4 loss Iowa team on the road.
#7 Utah  ---  Oooops hasn't lost yet.
#8 Texas Tech lost to a #2 ranked 1 loss Oklahoma team on the road.
#9 Boise State  --- Ooooops hasn't lost yet
#10 Ohio State lost twice to teams ranked above them (USC on the road and Penn State at home).

SO.....

Who has the better body of work to deserve to play for the National Championship?

Should Oklahoma have to prove to Texas fans they deserve to be there even though they were beaten by Texas?

If Florida wins, Texas fans will claim they should have been there because they were a better team than Oklahoma and could've won the game.  If Oklahoma wins, Texas fans will claim that they could have beaten Florida too and they already beat Oklahoma so who is the "REAL" Champion?

The "body of work" argument doesn't only apply to losses.

Look at the quality wins that each of those teams has, and you'll see that Oklahoma has a decided advantage.

Oklahoma is NOT the culprit in that latest argument.

In my opinion, the SEC is weak this year.  Every team in the conference with the exception of Florida and Alabama has 3 or more losses.  The non-conference games of Florida and Alabama are also questionable.

The Big 12 South appears to be one of the strongest divisions in College Football this year with 3 of the 6 teams at 11-1 to finish the year.

I hate to say this as a Texas fan, but does Texas have an argument over Florida on that "body of work" issue that you bring up?   Texas had to fight through the Big 12 South which held 4 top 10 ranked teams until they started beating up on each other as well as Missouri who was ranked in the top 10 when Texas played them.

I think Texas has a strong argument, but I think that the legitimacy of the BCS would be even MORE questionable if we saw a National Championship between two teams in the same conference. Especially since the SEC has a ridiculously good record in BCS bowls, and championship games.

There's no possible way the NC game could be considered even remotely legit if it were between two teams in the same conference, when none of the teams in that conference had played the top teams in the SEC, Pac-10 and Big 10. There would be nothing to compare the two conferences, so we really have no idea which is TRULY stronger until their best teams play each other.

Texas has a much stronger argument than Florida to be in the National Title game.  That part is undeniable.  However, the voters won't let it happen.  Its quite pathetic.  We have a system set up that is supposed to reward you based on what you accomplish during your season, but the voters will purposely ignore that to fulfill their own agenda. 

Most likely, the BCS "Champ" will have no legitimacy this year no matter what.  If Oklahoma and Texas both win their BCS games, how can you tell a Texas fan that they weren't the best team in the nation?  If Texas wins and Oklahoma loses, how can you tell a Texas fan that they couldn't have beaten Florida?  If Texas and Oklahoma meet up and Florida wins their BCS game, how can you tell a Florida fan that they couldn't beat the Sooner/Longhorn winner?  The whole system is a joke and the only fix is a playoff.

AND then we get right back to that argument.

Are we sure that the best teams from the SEC and the Big 12 will be playing in that game?

I don't think that Oklahoma can beat Florida.  Oklahoma's defense is not good enough.  Florida is more of a running team which would play into Texas's defense.  Texas beat Oklahom by running the ball on them and then dropping the play-action pass.  That is exactly what Florida will do to them. 

Oklahoma was able to beat Texas Tech because Tech had no running game against them.  Tech was able to exploit Texas's Freshmen DB's with their one dimensional offfense.

Florida is solid and pretty balanced.  Texas would offer a much better fight and a much better game than Oklahoma will.

Sorry Sooner fans.  I wish you luck, but I don't think you got enough to bring home the trophy.  Not even with the 39 Texas boys that you have on your team.

P.S.  Texas beat Kansas 35-7 and took out the starters halfway through the 3rd.  Texas beat Mizzou 56-31 and pulled the starters at the end of the third/early 4th.

OU's blow out of OSU was really a 14 point game that OSU tried too hard to win by making a play.  Two TD's late in less than 4 minutes by OU and only had to go about 50 yards total for both scores.

THIS.....I can agree with.

Even as a Texas fan.

I actually think that this year a plus one would be beneficial.  Unless of course Alabama blows out Utah and then they get back in the argument too.

Texas beat Missouri and OU  ...you think that they dont belong in the Big 12 Ship? That is just plain crazy talk.

OU lost to Texas in a head to head match up ....man to man ...team to team ......they lost heads up. That fact alone puts UT in the ship ahead of OU period. They have the exact same record and Texas holds the heads up victory. To beat both of the teams in a Conf. title game and not have a worse record then either of the teams and not get in  is just plain wrong.  I care less that Missouri is in a different division point is they beat both and were not even invited.

Flip the script and OU fans would be whineing just the same.

First of all....YES.  I love arguing.  My father says that I should have been a lawyer.  So, here is my answer to your question.  Why does it matter where the loss occured.

College football is still an emotional game (as opposed to the NFL where it is a job).  Momentum is gained and intensified by a feeding frenzy in the stands.  I do not exactly know how to explain that other than I played it and experienced it first hand.

Game #1 Texas vs OU -- was played in Dallas which is halfway between the Home field of Oklahoma in Norman, OK and the Home field of Texas in Austin, TX.  The fans are split at the 50 yard line.  Half the tickets are for OU fans and half the tickets are for Texas fans.  No "real" advantage on the feeding frenzy.  It is as close to a Neutral site that you can get.  The game is played on the field and not in the stands (please don't attack that one - I know they are all played on the field).

Game #2 -- Texas Tech vs Texas -- Played in Lubbock.  The stadium in Lubbock holds 53,000 people and being conservative I would guess that less than 15% of those are offered to the opposing team's fans.  Texas came out and got a stop after 6 plays and 50 yards.  Tech punted and Texas got the ball on the 2.  First play from Texas was a 2yd loss on a rushing play which at any other spot on the field would not have made any difference, but from the 2 it gave Tech the lead and the feeding frenzy began in Lubbock.  Halftime score 22-6 Tech in the lead.  Texas then played to a 27-17 point second half which we all know about the last 7 that was scored as time expired.  I honestly believe that if that first handoff had taken place at the 20 instead of the 2, the game ends up differently.

Game #3:  OU vs Texas Tech.  Played in Norman.  See explanation above about "Feeding Frenzy"  I don't think Tech could win this game unless they did the same thing to Oklahoma in Lubbock that they did to Texas.

P.S.  I was not arguing that Texas should go because they beat Mizzou.  I thought that your original post said that you didn't know the score.  I was just posting it.

Sorry.

If Texas belongs over OU, then Texas Tech belongs in it over Texas. And then Oklahoma belongs over Texas Tech. See how that doesn't work? If you want to use YOUR logic, then use it across the board. If we went by your simplistic thinking, then the game would never start, because there would be no end to the cyclical tiebreakers.

The bottom line is, Oklahoma has more quality wins than Texas. Their entire body of work was better than Texas. Also, the Big 12's tiebreaker is designed to give the conference the best chance to play for a National Championship. That's why the team with the highest BCS rank goes to the conference championship in the event of a tie like this. Oklahoma was ranked higher, and therefore would give the Big 12 the best chance at a national championship.

I have no idea why you can't understand why it happened this year.

Name a solid non-conference opponent that Texas beat. Name one. Because Oklahoma beat Cincinnati and TCU. Their conference play was nearly identical, but OU had 2 more high quality wins. Want to know why OU got the nod over Texas? That's why, right there.

By the way........NO post that I have put up declares anything about the fact that Oklahoma is not deserving of the chance they have been given.

My argument is that I don't believe that the BCS will determine a "TRUE" champion again.  You have 7 one loss teams (Oklahoma, Florida, Texas, Alabama, USC, Penn State, Texas Tech) and 2 undefeated teams (Utah and Boise State) in the top 9.  Without those one loss teams playing each other or a combination of each other on a neutral field.  How do you determine a "TRUE" champion.    Oklahoma playing Florida will not do it.  Especially if Texas blows out hio State and Alabama blows out Utah.  Or what if Penn State blows out USC?

That is because the conversation wasnt about TT it was about UT. Now if TT went what do you think the Sooner faithful would be doing now?

I think that any team in a BCS conference that loses by 40 points should be eliminated from all conversations regarding championships.

I can allow an argument by teams that have a bad day and lose by 6 or 10 points, but there is no amount of BS in the world that can get Texas Tech back in the Championship picture.  That blow out loss proves that you are not a contender.  Contenders do not have games that look like that.

And you know what's funny? By YOUR logic, TT deserves it over Texas.

When you have 2 teams that haven't played each other and have the same record that is when you use like opponents and SOS as the grounds on which goes. When the same 2 teams have played each other then SOS goes out the window and it goes to heads up match up. IT is great that OU can beat quality opponents but they sure cant be Texas now can they. I completely understand why it happened because we are talking about 3 teams instead of 2. Understanding why something happens doesn't make it right. 

Do you understand that by virtue of the triangle of losses, you can NOT go simply by head to head matchups?

By your logic:
Texas > OU
BUT
Texas Tech > Texas
AND
OU > Texas Tech

See how that can NEVER be fixed simply by looking at head to head matchups? That's why you have to look at the entire season, instead of just one game.

OU deserved to play in the Big 12 Championship game, and they proved it when they got there.

Like I said before I understand everything that happened and why it happened. I would be making the same argument for any one of the three teams. My whole problem is the way that OU and there fans can so easily dismiss a team that they loss to this year. Yes Pat you are correct by the way the system that is in place is concerned OU should have been in the Big 12  ship. It does not mean that the system is correct. And yes I do understand that there is 2 separate divisions of the big 12. Look I'm not a fan of anyone in the big 12 at all so I have no bias towards UT TT OU anyone. I simply think that UT has a legitimate complaint, they get to watch a team that they beat and has a same record as them play for a National title and you want to tell me thats fair.

Dam you are one long winded SOB.... You cant compare basketball and football that has no bearing whatsoever. As far as Boise St. being a lowly team you are simply mistaking. Don't look at the conference that Boise plays in and prejudge them. You would be hard pressed to find a team that has won as much as them over the past 10 years...OU  was the unlucky team that had to play Boise when the BCS finally gave them a shot.  The Boise St. this year is even better then the team that beat OU in the Fiesta Bowl it is a shame that the flawed system has kept them out this year.

boisestate.scout.com/2/809734.htmlvs. BCS schools 3-1
vs. PAC 10 3-0
vs. Big 12 1-0
vs ACC 0-1
vs. WAC 31-0
vs MAC 1-0
vs CONF USA 1-0
vs INDEP 1-0
vs SUN BELT 2-0
vs MWC 3-0
vs. 1-aa 5-0
That is what Boise has as a record at home since 1999. 50-1. what i meant was you cant hold their conference against them they have to play those teams. Which incidentally they own year in and year out. What i meant was judge them on non conference teams that actually have the balls to play BSU regular season. Now as soon as i find all the stats for away games i will show you those as well.

LMAO Boise St is undefeated against TCU Jerk OFF

If you would have read the post you would have noticed that was their home record , The great SEC is to scared to play Boise at home. I also stated that I would Post there road record as soon as I found all of  it. The loss to the SEC was in Georgia. There is a lot of teams that loose when they go to Georgia and play. Its funny that the only way Boise St. gets any respect is by winning every game they play. You bring up one loss 3 years ago but mention nothing of the tough road win in Oregon this year. The PAC 10 is the only big conference that will play Boise regularly. Your a Moron its a catch 22 with you Boise beats OU....if they would have lost that game you would have said see they don't deserve to be here.

TCU plays a tough schedule ...really .OU tough game your right they also were killed in that game. Utah...tough game yes but wait another loss. BYU is there only "tough" win the rest of their schedule is crap. I would put Boise St. win in Oregon over a win against BYU at home anytime. So by your thinking you have to play tough teams no matter if you loose by 25 points and by 3 to another. In your thinking.....a 2 loss team is better then a Undefeated team cause they lost to good teams....that makes no sense.
You my friend are a complete moron. You talk about my love for numbers but blindly support a BCS system that is based completely on numbers. All i did was state the Boise wins and support that by their record and now I'm a numbers guy

Read that first post of mine you have proved and when you finally pull yours out we can talk until then have fun