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6/13/08
Perhaps Coaching Matters Much Less Than We Think
Suddenly I'm Rethinking How Great A Coach Phil Is
Any time an NBA team suffers a tough loss, you usually hear these words from a player:

"It's not like coach can go out there and play for us."

For the most part I've always agreed with that statement. But maybe I've been looking at it the wrong way. Perhaps it doesn't really matter much at all what a coach does other than inserting certain players in at certain times and hoping they play well.

I'm suggesting this because what we're faced with right now is Phil Jackson, arguably the greatest coach ever, down 3-1 to Doc Rivers, a man who admittedly is considered by fans and NBA experts to be at best a mediocre coach. This is like David taking down Goliath on steroids.

And the funny thing is it's not like Rivers has dramatically outcoached Phil in the Finals so far, so the 3-1 Boston lead is hard to quantify from a coaching perspective. In fact, I'd even argue that Rivers cost the Celtics a sweep by botching Game 3 on multiple levels.

But that's more or less irrelevant now. Both teams are talented, but not one significantly more so than the other. So how did the Celtics get up 3-1 with a coach that almost everyone would agree is inferior to Jackson? And no, I won't bring crooked refs into this.

In Jackson's case, the one knock on him is that he's always had ridiculously talented teams so he hasn't had to do much. People have long argued that Jordan was the real coach during Phil's days in Chicago. Personally, I've always seen Phil as the "Dance with the one who brought you" kind of coach. He rides or dies with his top talent and refuses to tinker with what he's got. That's not a knock on him at all. Simplicity is often the key to success. And that strategy obviously works out well when you have people such as MJ, Pippen, Shaq and Kobe on the squads you've coached. But when your players begin to fail you, you can suddenly start to look real bad real fast.

Meanwhile, the Celtics managed to survive Doc doing everything he could to knock Boston out early in the playoffs. There's no way Boston should have gone to 7 against both Atlanta and Cleveland. Let me make this clear. The reason the Celtics got past those two teams is because of the players, not Doc. The only thing Doc's coaching did in those two series was keep Atlanta and Cleveland around.

Basically, what we have now in the Finals is Phil sticking with his guns, which is what he's always done, but they're not working. Is that bad coaching that he's not tinkering? I certainly don't think so. I mean, who's he going to replace Kobe, Odom and Gasol with? No one.

On the flip side, do I think Doc has suddenly figured out how to get Boston to win on the road? Do I think he suddenly realizes that playing Leon Powe more would really help him out? Of course not, besides he only played Powe 9 minutes last night. The point is Doc's still a mediocre/bad coach. What's happened is the Celtics players have ultimately figured out how to win despite him.

In the end, neither Phil nor Doc have had much influence on this series. It's the top players who are deciding things. That may sound somewhat obvious, but in all honesty, it's telling that in a series where coaching was supposed to play such a huge roll, it's basically played no role at all.

And if that makes you reassess your opinion of Jackson and his stature in the game, so be it. It's certainly changed mine.
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6/13/08
7
Nick S wrote:
So Doc gets all the blame when they lose (even though he deserved it in a lot of the games of the playoffs so far) but you give him no credit for the wins?? Come on man, Doc has coached a brilliant series so far and has dramatically out coached the "Zen Master" so far. Sometimes, no matter how hard it is, you have to give credit where credit is due.
So I should also credit Doc for horribly misusing Powe this series, not double teaming Kobe at the end of Game 3, and wasting a critical timeout at the end of Game 3 as well?

I'm not going to credit Doc with using Powe in Game 2 because Doc basically refused to play him in Games 3 and 4. What is his problem?! Powe is one of the most productive players in the league if you go by per 48 minute stats. And he abused the Lakers front court. Why hasn't Doc used him again significantly? It's mind boggling.

And what's Phil done that's incredibly horrible? That he's let Kobe, Gasol and Odom stink up the joint? I mean, you tell me how to solve that.

Besides, I wasn't overly kind to Jackson in this post either.

6/13/08
0
So Doc gets all the blame when they lose (even though he deserved it in a lot of the games of the playoffs so far) but you give him no credit for the wins?? Come on man, Doc has coached a brilliant series so far and has dramatically out coached the "Zen Master" so far. Sometimes, no matter how hard it is, you have to give credit where credit is due.

6/13/08
3
I've thought this for years. I won't discredit Jackson as a coach... it DOES take at least SOME talent to win 9 NBA championships... but I think that there are a dozen other guys who could have won those rings with the talent that he had in Jordan/Pippen and Shaq/Kobe. Good coach? Sure. Great coach? I'll even give him that. But best ever? Not quite.

6/13/08
7
Nick S wrote:
So Doc gets all the blame when they lose (even though he deserved it in a lot of the games of the playoffs so far) but you give him no credit for the wins?? Come on man, Doc has coached a brilliant series so far and has dramatically out coached the "Zen Master" so far. Sometimes, no matter how hard it is, you have to give credit where credit is due.
So I should also credit Doc for horribly misusing Powe this series, not double teaming Kobe at the end of Game 3, and wasting a critical timeout at the end of Game 3 as well?

I'm not going to credit Doc with using Powe in Game 2 because Doc basically refused to play him in Games 3 and 4. What is his problem?! Powe is one of the most productive players in the league if you go by per 48 minute stats. And he abused the Lakers front court. Why hasn't Doc used him again significantly? It's mind boggling.

And what's Phil done that's incredibly horrible? That he's let Kobe, Gasol and Odom stink up the joint? I mean, you tell me how to solve that.

Besides, I wasn't overly kind to Jackson in this post either.

6/13/08
5
100%InjuryRate wrote:
So I should also credit Doc for horribly misusing Powe this series, not double teaming Kobe at the end of Game 3, and wasting a critical timeout at the end of Game 3 as well?

I'm not going to credit Doc with using Powe in Game 2 because Doc basically refused to play him in Games 3 and 4. What is his problem?! Powe is one of the most productive players in the league if you go by per 48 minute stats. And he abused the Lakers front court. Why hasn't Doc used him again significantly? It's mind boggling.

And what's Phil done that's incredibly horrible? That he's let Kobe, Gasol and Odom stink up the joint? I mean, you tell me how to solve that.

Besides, I wasn't overly kind to Jackson in this post either.
Just to add to your point... Boston is winning because the Lakers can't figure out the Boston defense and all of that credit goes to Tom Thibodeau.

6/13/08
3

Cue the Comic Book Guy,

 

"WORST SECOND HALF EVER! Worse then the 3rd episode of the Misfits of Science"


6/13/08
3

 Well where do I start addressing all this?  First, Jackson has always been given too much credit. With MJ and Pippen/ Shaq and Kobe...............it isn't hard to win.  He is given all this credit for the triangle offense. Who designed that......wasn't it Tex Winters?  All Phil does is given meditation drills and a book to read.

  Give Doc credit.......he has done a great job. It is easy to sit back after a game and critique. Yeah, he makes mistakes...if not Boston would already be celebrating and holding the trophy!!

   Kobe is just an over rated big baby. Starting with his comments as a rookie...I will not play for Charlotte. That turned me from him right off the bat. He should NEVER be mentioned in the same sentence with MJ. He is not and never will be half the player...........

  I have always been a Boston fan and will die being one. I dont jump from team to team or follow a player. It has been along time so now it is OUR turn to shine. If you dont like it.........go get Kobe and get drunk and WET the Bed.....like the baby he isl

GO CELTICS.....Number 17

  One last comment. ...Phil may win one more but he will never, I mean never be the coach Red was.


6/13/08
2
Excellent point about Doc... I watched him during his tenure in Orlando with the Magic... it is the same with coaches/managers in all leagues - some are better han others but it all boils down to the talent on the team and the match between coach/manager and team - otherwise any given coach/manager should win with any given group of people.

6/14/08
0
100%InjuryRate wrote:
So I should also credit Doc for horribly misusing Powe this series, not double teaming Kobe at the end of Game 3, and wasting a critical timeout at the end of Game 3 as well?

I'm not going to credit Doc with using Powe in Game 2 because Doc basically refused to play him in Games 3 and 4. What is his problem?! Powe is one of the most productive players in the league if you go by per 48 minute stats. And he abused the Lakers front court. Why hasn't Doc used him again significantly? It's mind boggling.

And what's Phil done that's incredibly horrible? That he's let Kobe, Gasol and Odom stink up the joint? I mean, you tell me how to solve that.

Besides, I wasn't overly kind to Jackson in this post either.
I am not saying Doc has been flawless (clearly not) but saying he had nothing to do with any of these wins is stupid. Doc has got progressively better throughout this postseason and deserves some credit no matter what you say.

Also its what Phil hasn't done the has made him so bad, he does nothing during games, runs the same plays, rarely tries to light a spark by using a different player and refuses to change the lineup at all.

6/14/08
1
kantwistaye wrote:
Just to add to your point... Boston is winning because the Lakers can't figure out the Boston defense and all of that credit goes to Tom Thibodeau.
Boston is winning because #1. The Lakers don't know how to play defense. #2. The Celtics defense is too good for the Lakers. And #3. The Celtics are just the better team.

6/14/08
2
I guess it wasnt Doc who went small when LA was up by 18 in the second half. Powe had a great game 2, but I will defer to a coach who has watched his team all year. Face it Phil has no answer for Boston's defense. Gasol is soft as charmin, and the Lakers cant make a stop when needed ever. I bet it is tough to give credit where credit is due, when your total disdain for Boston is so apparent

6/14/08
2
danny_n94 wrote:
I guess it wasnt Doc who went small when LA was up by 18 in the second half. Powe had a great game 2, but I will defer to a coach who has watched his team all year. Face it Phil has no answer for Boston's defense. Gasol is soft as charmin, and the Lakers cant make a stop when needed ever. I bet it is tough to give credit where credit is due, when your total disdain for Boston is so apparent
A couple things you should keep in mind here...

#1) "going small" was one of the first things Doc did right in this series
#2) 100%'s NBA "analysis" is shoddy, at best.
#3) Doc doesn't really need to coach all that well... he has enough veteran leaders and enough talent on the court, and among his assistants that he doesn't even HAVE to do a good job.
#4) No matter what Powe did or didn't do in the regular season, he NEEDS to see the court more often. That's not even debateable. The Lakers have no answer for him... so play him until they figure him out.

6/14/08
2
Phil JAckson is still one of the greatest.  Remeber before the season started that "snake" (the Black Mamba)--dumbest nickname ever---Kobe Bryant wanted out because the Lakers were no good.  Phil's leadership and coaching helped get that team that wasn't dedicated to winning into the Finals.

6/14/08
1
Pat wrote:
A couple things you should keep in mind here...

#1) "going small" was one of the first things Doc did right in this series
#2) 100%'s NBA "analysis" is shoddy, at best.
#3) Doc doesn't really need to coach all that well... he has enough veteran leaders and enough talent on the court, and among his assistants that he doesn't even HAVE to do a good job.
#4) No matter what Powe did or didn't do in the regular season, he NEEDS to see the court more often. That's not even debateable. The Lakers have no answer for him... so play him until they figure him out.
I am with you 100%. I just am getting tired of all the Doc bashing when he is the coach up 3-1. No to mention the past 2 NBA finals Phil has been in he has been outcoached by Doc and Larry Brown and been beaten by a better defensive teams. Yet it is Phil is treated as the best coach ever.

6/14/08
2
derms33 wrote:
Phil JAckson is still one of the greatest.  Remeber before the season started that "snake" (the Black Mamba)--dumbest nickname ever---Kobe Bryant wanted out because the Lakers were no good.  Phil's leadership and coaching helped get that team that wasn't dedicated to winning into the Finals.
And the Gasol trade... that had something to do with it as well... the Lakers are undeniably one of the more talented teams in the league... they SHOULD be doing well, no matter who the coach is.

6/14/08
1
Pat wrote:
And the Gasol trade... that had something to do with it as well... the Lakers are undeniably one of the more talented teams in the league... they SHOULD be doing well, no matter who the coach is.
the Gasol trade was huge but his Coaching/and Kobe's play are the main reasons...imagine if Bynum was healthy!

6/14/08
1
derms33 wrote:
the Gasol trade was huge but his Coaching/and Kobe's play are the main reasons...imagine if Bynum was healthy!
Jackson and Doc Rivers have had the easiest jobs in the NBA... both teams had enough talent alone to coast to the conference championship. The Gasol and Garnett trades MADE these teams.

6/14/08
0
i agree hes unproven but he's better than Luke "Livin In Daddy's Shadow" Walton

6/14/08
0
its not that hard to imagine when you consider the fact that boston has three allstars, two of which havent lost anything yet, against a team with one all star.

6/14/08
1
I'd prefer sending him to Chicago for Joakim Noah.  Get a big who can rebound, defend, block shots, run, and pass to play next to Gasol.  It will never happen, but I'd love to see it.

 
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