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9/26/08
Pete Carroll And USC Can't Seem To Win The Easy One
What Makes USC So Good In Huge Games Seems To Kill Them In Minor Games
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As a west coast guy, I've witnessed the entire Pete Carroll era at USC. It's been a pretty amazing run for Carroll and USC. Since the BCS came into existence, they've played in a BCS game every year, the only team in the country to be able to claim that.

Carroll's also won 2 national championships, and we may soon have to change the name of the Rose Bowl to the USC Bowl. He almost always has his team ready for huge games, like Ohio State last week, and that mammoth beat down they served on Oklahoma in the title game a few years back. Carroll is damn near perfect in huge games.

But the one thing Carroll can't seem to do is get his team ready to play the easy games.

There was Stanford last year, UCLA and Oregon State (again) two years before that.

Last night's loss to Oregon State was year three of the inexcusable loss for USC. The question is, why does this keep happening?

Most people would say Carroll and the Trojans didn't take Oregon State seriously. But considering how Carroll was talking about how the Pac-10 was "ridiculously difficult" this week, and USC players were saying they wanted revenge for 2006, you'd assume USC at least prepared for this game on some level.

But even then, perhaps you don't prepare as hard as you should because you're still overconfident that you can beat your lesser opponent easily.

One of the things I've always believed about Carroll's term at USC is that he's going to lose you a shot at a national championship every so often because of his loose style of coaching. His teams always seem to be just a little bit too wild, just a little bit too arrogant, just a little bit too full of themselves. And in addition to that, sometimes his assistants seem too stubborn, unwilling to adjust to what they're facing on the field. USC's offense coordinator Steve Sarkisian seemingly did everything he could to keep the ball out of Mark Sanchez's hands in the first half last night. Why? I have no idea. But dammit, he was going to do it.

But here's the thing. While Carroll and his staff may cost you a national championship shot every so often, they're also one of the main reasons 5-star players are drawn to USC. Players like being in a system where things are loose, where they're continuously praised with accolades despite some disappointments. Because, hey, winning the Rose Bowl year after year is still quite an achievement.

To me, it seems that Carroll is USC's biggest strength and weakness at the same time. The arrogant attitude he instills in his players motivates them for big games to prove their worth, but by the same token it shoots them in foot against lesser teams.

It's a strange conundrum, to say the least. But as long as USC keeps steamrolling people in the Rose Bowl, and occasionally reaching the national championship, it seems like Carroll's system is unlikely to change. And in reality, there may be no reason to change it.
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9/26/08
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I would play for Pete Carroll in a heartbeat.  Who in their right mind wouldn't?  I mean, sure, you can play for Nick Saban and drive around in a new Escalade,  or you can play for Carroll and be guaranteed a shot in the NFL.  (if you can't make fun of yourself...)

9/26/08
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(Edited by Jubanator14)
As an Oklahoma fan/student, I feel safe in saying Pete Carroll does with easy games what Bob Stoops seems to be with bowl games.

(If you can't make fun of yourself, who can you.)

9/26/08
2
IMO the defense is really at fault.  The couldn't stop the Little Guy.  Overrated Chants can be heard all over the country (except in Columbus)...(If you can't make fun of yourself who can you make fun of)

9/26/08
2
Jubanator14 wrote:
As an Oklahoma fan/student, I feel safe in saying Pete Carroll does with easy games what Bob Stoops seems to be with bowl games.

(If you can't make fun of yourself, who can you.)
Yeah i very nearly brought in the Oklahoma model. Lose to a crappy team then get blown out in a BCS game. USC at least thumps people every year in the Rose Bowl.

9/26/08
2
100%InjuryRate wrote:
Yeah i very nearly brought in the Oklahoma model. Lose to a crappy team then get blown out in a BCS game. USC at least thumps people every year in the Rose Bowl.
Yeah but at least we (Oklahoma) lose to teams that are at least decent. Colorado last year wasn't awful, and neither was Texas Tech. In 2006 it was losses at Oregon, Texas, and then Boise.

Really we don't lose to the bottom of the conference teams but there has been a game we shouldn't drop that we do, just not as bad as as losing to Stanford, Oregon St., or UCLA during a down year.

9/26/08
1
"Only" one in 7 years, after taking over a program that was averaging 6-8 wins per year when he got there. Yeah... only...

9/26/08
1
Pat wrote:
"Only" one in 7 years, after taking over a program that was averaging 6-8 wins per year when he got there. Yeah... only...
Same with Stoops then.

From 88-99, Oklahoma won zero, and I believe was never in contention for any, National Championships. Same with Conference championships, zero. Also, Oklahoma averaged 6 wins per season those years between Switzer and Stoops.

9/26/08
4
I would play for Pete Carroll in a heartbeat.  Who in their right mind wouldn't?  I mean, sure, you can play for Nick Saban and drive around in a new Escalade,  or you can play for Carroll and be guaranteed a shot in the NFL.  (if you can't make fun of yourself...)

9/26/08
0
I'm a USC fan basically because I root for all teams in Southern California...I see this loss by USC is "par for the course". Besides, Oregon State did this in 2006 and we all know about the "Giant Killers" taking down OJ in 1967. JacQuizz Rogers had 186yds rushing with 2 TDs. and Oregon St. had around 350 yds total offense. USC doesn't even need to run film sessions from this game...It's pretty obvious they couldn't stop the run. Mark Sanchez normally throws the ball well, but Oregon State made him rush his throws. Sanchez better get used to it if has plans on being an NFL QB.

On a final note, USC could still play for the National Championship if they win outright. Last season Ohio State had 1 loss, and LSU, Va. Tech, Oklahoma, and Georgia all had 2 losses. Unless there are two other teams undefeated after all the Conference Championship games, I still believe USC has a chance at #1 if they can finish 12-1. Because of the "jacked-up" BCS system, USC just may be able to sneak back in.

9/26/08
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(Edited by Craig_M)
don't 4get the illegal funding of players look @ the whole Reggie Bush fiasco

9/26/08
0
100%InjuryRate wrote:
Yeah i very nearly brought in the Oklahoma model. Lose to a crappy team then get blown out in a BCS game. USC at least thumps people every year in the Rose Bowl.
Not every yr

9/26/08
1
WBKsports wrote:
I'm a USC fan basically because I root for all teams in Southern California...I see this loss by USC is "par for the course". Besides, Oregon State did this in 2006 and we all know about the "Giant Killers" taking down OJ in 1967. JacQuizz Rogers had 186yds rushing with 2 TDs. and Oregon St. had around 350 yds total offense. USC doesn't even need to run film sessions from this game...It's pretty obvious they couldn't stop the run. Mark Sanchez normally throws the ball well, but Oregon State made him rush his throws. Sanchez better get used to it if has plans on being an NFL QB.

On a final note, USC could still play for the National Championship if they win outright. Last season Ohio State had 1 loss, and LSU, Va. Tech, Oklahoma, and Georgia all had 2 losses. Unless there are two other teams undefeated after all the Conference Championship games, I still believe USC has a chance at #1 if they can finish 12-1. Because of the "jacked-up" BCS system, USC just may be able to sneak back in.
I just don't see the pollsters putting a one loss USC over a one loss Big 12 and/or SEC champion for the title game.

I do know my pick of Oklahoma vs. Florida looks great right now.

9/26/08
2
Jubanator14 wrote:
I just don't see the pollsters putting a one loss USC over a one loss Big 12 and/or SEC champion for the title game.

I do know my pick of Oklahoma vs. Florida looks great right now.
I hope OU does well. I really hope they crush those clowns from Austin

9/26/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
I just don't see the pollsters putting a one loss USC over a one loss Big 12 and/or SEC champion for the title game.

I do know my pick of Oklahoma vs. Florida looks great right now.
I'd agree with that, but I always notice that those SEC and BIG 12 teams beat up on each other all year. I do like Oklahoma's chances a lot too, and Tim Tebow has his chance for sure now that USC has lost a game. It would be fun to see Oklahoma in the Championship Game, but I'd rather see them play Alabama. The Tide also have a soft November schedule.

9/26/08
3
WBKsports wrote:
I'd agree with that, but I always notice that those SEC and BIG 12 teams beat up on each other all year. I do like Oklahoma's chances a lot too, and Tim Tebow has his chance for sure now that USC has lost a game. It would be fun to see Oklahoma in the Championship Game, but I'd rather see them play Alabama. The Tide also have a soft November schedule.
The tradition in an Oklahoma vs. Alabama title game would be spectacular.

9/26/08
0
Jubanator14 wrote:
Yeah but at least we (Oklahoma) lose to teams that are at least decent. Colorado last year wasn't awful, and neither was Texas Tech. In 2006 it was losses at Oregon, Texas, and then Boise.

Really we don't lose to the bottom of the conference teams but there has been a game we shouldn't drop that we do, just not as bad as as losing to Stanford, Oregon St., or UCLA during a down year.
So when was the last time you won a bowl game?? Last I checked USC has won some bowl games and blew Oklahoma up in the Nat. Championship a few years back. And If I recall you got blown out by West Virginia.

9/26/08
2
Jubanator14 wrote:
The tradition in an Oklahoma vs. Alabama title game would be spectacular.
Could we get Keith Jackson to broadcast the game?

9/26/08
2
BIG wrote:
So when was the last time you won a bowl game?? Last I checked USC has won some bowl games and blew Oklahoma up in the Nat. Championship a few years back. And If I recall you got blown out by West Virginia.
2005 and I wasn't disparaging USC, there are a lot of similarities between the two schools. Easily two of the best programs of the 00's, multiple conference championships, multiple BCS bowl appearances, and very similar down falls during the regular season with losing games they shouldn't.

9/26/08
3
WBKsports wrote:
Could we get Keith Jackson to broadcast the game?

You also would need Frank Broyles in the both yelling "WHERE'S THE SAFETY KEITH!"


9/26/08
0
WBKsports wrote:
I'd agree with that, but I always notice that those SEC and BIG 12 teams beat up on each other all year. I do like Oklahoma's chances a lot too, and Tim Tebow has his chance for sure now that USC has lost a game. It would be fun to see Oklahoma in the Championship Game, but I'd rather see them play Alabama. The Tide also have a soft November schedule.
What would be considered "not soft"?  All 4 games in November against ranked teams?  2 of the games might be questionable, but the other 2 are @ LSU and vs Auburn.

I wish Bama had a soft November.  I wouldn't have to buy another bottle of Tums.

9/27/08
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tpowell25 wrote:
What would be considered "not soft"?  All 4 games in November against ranked teams?  2 of the games might be questionable, but the other 2 are @ LSU and vs Auburn.

I wish Bama had a soft November.  I wouldn't have to buy another bottle of Tums.
They have 3 out their last 4 games at Home. One against Arkansas St. and another against Miss. St. The Iron Bowl is in Tuscaloosa, so all the "Tide" has to do is beat LSU on the road and Florida in the SEC Championship. They'd be headed to Dolphin Stadium in 2009 for a shot at #1. Could be worse...

9/27/08
0
"all the "Tide" has to do is beat LSU on the road and Florida in the SEC Championship"

Yeah... that's all. Piece of cake. Name a team that has done THAT in recent history... not to mention the fact that they would likely still have to beat Georgia tomorrow, AND win the SEC Championship game in the end... there's nothing soft about that.

9/27/08
1
WBKsports wrote:
They have 3 out their last 4 games at Home. One against Arkansas St. and another against Miss. St. The Iron Bowl is in Tuscaloosa, so all the "Tide" has to do is beat LSU on the road and Florida in the SEC Championship. They'd be headed to Dolphin Stadium in 2009 for a shot at #1. Could be worse...
Don't get me wrong, I like the scenario and it would be nice.  If all of that happens, I'll by you a beer for mentioning it first (maybe two).  But the month of November won't be soft.  Arkansas State and Mississippi State should be easy wins (should be), but at LSU and then home against Auburn (never easy.  see:  lost 6 in-a-row) makes it a tough November with a couple of preperation games.  Also worth noting:  MSU has beaten Alabama 2 years in-a-row too.

After 2 decades of sucking, Bama fans tend to not get too cocky, in case you couldn't tell.

9/27/08
0
(Edited by Craig_M)
BIG wrote:
So when was the last time you won a bowl game?? Last I checked USC has won some bowl games and blew Oklahoma up in the Nat. Championship a few years back. And If I recall you got blown out by West Virginia.
ok,fine...i'll defend the honor of the BIG 12....my Horns beat USC for the NC...got a comeback 2 rip on my team in head-to-head match-ups vs USC? didnt think so

9/27/08
0
(Edited by Craig_M)
danny_n94 wrote:
I hope OU does well. I really hope they crush those clowns from Austin
ya know,you continue to rip on my Horns but,you tend to forget:NO team has a better record since '01,UT is the ONLY team in the nation that can claim 10+ wins EVERY yr since '01(longest such streak in 1A),we got a NC in '05,that makes #4 total in football.how many does CU have?&, we've beaten your Buffs in your own stadium.your commentaries look suspiciously like jealousy of a better program.I guess if all those things makes you "overrrated & clowns",your words not mine, as you so eloquently put it then I'll just continue to pull for my "overrated clowns".gimme a freakin break.....find some facts to make your trash talking legit(if you can that is)

9/27/08
0
(Edited by Craig_M)
too bad the PAC-10 doesnt have enough teams in the conference to have a conference championship game tho.their champion is declared,its not won on the field by playing a conference title game.unlike the other conferences that play grueling conference schedules AND play an extra game for outright conference bragging rights.the same can be said for the BIG 10.to me,a conference title that doesnt come by a title game is somewhat hollow......awarded,not earned.put your $ where your mouths are PAC 10 & BIG 10

9/27/08
0
(Edited by danny_n94)
Craig_M wrote:
ya know,you continue to rip on my Horns but,you tend to forget:NO team has a better record since '01,UT is the ONLY team in the nation that can claim 10+ wins EVERY yr since '01(longest such streak in 1A),we got a NC in '05,that makes #4 total in football.how many does CU have?&, we've beaten your Buffs in your own stadium.your commentaries look suspiciously like jealousy of a better program.I guess if all those things makes you "overrrated & clowns",your words not mine, as you so eloquently put it then I'll just continue to pull for my "overrated clowns".gimme a freakin break.....find some facts to make your trash talking legit(if you can that is)
you are too easy to get riled up, I can do without trying. Lets see if you wanna talk history lets talk about another one of your overrated QBs, Simms and his epic choke job in 2001 against CU  in the B12 title game.  Why didnt you mention that? Well you probably dont remember that. OU is a better school that what is in Austin. Plus next when the overrated Horns come to Boulder they will leave with their tails hurting. Plus when Scott romps thru that defense what are you goning to say? Probably whine like all you boosters did when he spurned UT for CU.

9/27/08
0
(Edited by Craig_M)
bwahahaha your too funny...you got 1 game to talk about and thats all you got.keep living in the past coz yall got no future.spurned???? he wasnt good enough to play at UT just like the rest of the Buffs,nothing but a bunch of wannabes and 2nd rate players that couldnt make it at a real university.keep dreaming coz those buffalosers are gonna be flattened in league play yet again

9/27/08
0
Pat wrote:
"all the "Tide" has to do is beat LSU on the road and Florida in the SEC Championship"

Yeah... that's all. Piece of cake. Name a team that has done THAT in recent history... not to mention the fact that they would likely still have to beat Georgia tomorrow, AND win the SEC Championship game in the end... there's nothing soft about that.
I don't think the LSU game is soft, and I don't think a Florida match up in the SEC Title game is soft either. I was speaking of their November Schedule which, yes, includes LSU on the road. The SEC Championship would be in December, and I didn't mean "soft" in the sense of the BCS or Individual Team Rankings and strength of schedule go. In fact, teams in the SEC get "jipped" every year by the stupid BCS, and their schedules are some of the strongest in the Nation. I just meant that they had "soft" schedule because they were at Home for 3 out of 4. (To their benefit, not to their disadvantage in the BCS.) Obviously, on the road in Baton Rouge will be difficult, but Florida and Georgia would each have exposed the Tigers game plans in the weeks before. I see what your saying though, so maybe I could throw another word in place of soft like: Their schedule is "padded" (with some winnable home games). I agree with what you said about the Georgia game this evening as well. Lose that, and Bama might as well say good bye to those National Championship hopes.

Mostly, I'm just theorizing with other fans because their isn't much to talk about college football in San Diego. We either suffer watching a Div. III caliber local team playing Div I SDSU, or we find other teams to root for. Luckily I live between the 2 Military Bases, so I can at least feel the presence of other Div. 1 programs around me. Our High Schools produce NFL superstars but they play elsewhere. The locals like me root for USC and UCLA, but San Diego has a high tourism rate, so I see fan support from everywhere. I've even had a few years where I rooted for the Cornhuskers...I love the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, you name it....Who's going to Miami this year???

9/27/08
0
"I was speaking of their November Schedule which, yes, includes LSU on the road."

In my opinion, they could play 3 high school teams at home, but if they're playing LSU on the road, that removes all "soft" talk from that month of their schedule. That one game alone makes it harder than most teams' schedules.

"I love the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, you name it....Who's going to Miami this year???"

Oklahoma, since they'll be the winner of the Big XII championship game (between them and Missouri), and whoever wins the SEC. MY guess is LSU, for now.

Oklahoma-LSU in the championship. That's my guess.


9/27/08
0
Pat wrote:
"I was speaking of their November Schedule which, yes, includes LSU on the road."

In my opinion, they could play 3 high school teams at home, but if they're playing LSU on the road, that removes all "soft" talk from that month of their schedule. That one game alone makes it harder than most teams' schedules.

"I love the SEC, Big 12, Big 10, you name it....Who's going to Miami this year???"

Oklahoma, since they'll be the winner of the Big XII championship game (between them and Missouri), and whoever wins the SEC. MY guess is LSU, for now.

Oklahoma-LSU in the championship. That's my guess.

On October 11, Oklahoma plays Texas at the Cotton Bowl, and LSU faces Florida in Gainesville on the same day. After today's loss, they'll have no choice but to beat LSU. I don't see an Okla. vs. LSU National Championship happening, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Ohio State vs. USC rematch. They might be the only 2 teams with 1 loss by the end of all this BCS madness...

9/27/08
0
WBKsports wrote:
On October 11, Oklahoma plays Texas at the Cotton Bowl, and LSU faces Florida in Gainesville on the same day. After today's loss, they'll have no choice but to beat LSU. I don't see an Okla. vs. LSU National Championship happening, but I wouldn't mind seeing a Ohio State vs. USC rematch. They might be the only 2 teams with 1 loss by the end of all this BCS madness...
No chance. OSU WILL lose again.

10/18/08
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Craig_M wrote:
ok,fine...i'll defend the honor of the BIG 12....my Horns beat USC for the NC...got a comeback 2 rip on my team in head-to-head match-ups vs USC? didnt think so
Yeah USC is 4-1 against them all time

 
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