Peyton Manning is slightly superior playoff QB than Tom Brady

You Know How Everyone Says Brady Is A Better Playoff Quarterback Than Manning? Its Actually Not True.

2/8/10 in NFL   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

 After every single mistake in Peyton Manning's career you'll generally find a Patriots fans willing to say something to the extent that Tom Brady may not have the records, but he's better in the playoffs (to be fair, the same thing probably happens to Brady as well).  However, that's not exactly true.  Brady has built an impressive playoff reputation off of three Super Bowl wins, but he isn't necessarily better than Manning in the playoffs.

Brady's average playoff game is 22 of 35, 228 yards, 1.6 TDs, and 0.8 INTs.  In 18 total games he's amassed 4108 yards, 28 TDs, 15 INTs and a 85.5 QB Rating. Meanwhile, Manning's average playoff game has been 24.2 of 38.4, 287 yards, 1.6 TDs and 1.1 INTs. Over 18 playoff games, Manning has put up 5164 yards, 28 TDs, 19 INTs, and a 87.5 QB Rating (QB rating up to date as of his 17th playoff game. His rating was 88.5 in Super Bowl 44, so the difference would be minor).

While the difference is minimal enough to probably not matter, Manning has been better in the playoffs than Brady.  Manning has always been the better regular season quarterback so much that his absurd seasons don't even phase us anymore.  That said, Patriots fans and Brady supporters have always cited the playoffs as a reason for Brady's superiority over Manning. Quite frankly, that just doesn't work and instead proves what most of us knew all along - the Patriots just had better teams than the Colts.

The truth is that we've continually minimized Manning's achievements.  In reality, Manning is well on his way to being the single greatest quarterback to ever play football and maybe the best football player of all time.  Assuming Brett Favre ever retires, Manning will hold every major passing record, already has 4 MVPs, and is actually a damn fine playoff QB regardless of what fans or the media may try to say.
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1/14/13   |   pierce52291

Brady is now 17-6 in the playoffs while Manning is 9-11 with 8 one and dones in 12 appearances. not to mention the choke job manning pulled this week and the fact that hes 0-4 in temps below 40 degrees. the guys stats are inflated bc he played in a dome for the majority of his career. hes pretty much on par with favre for his ability to choke away playoff games with crunch time interceptions

4/20/12   |   elevenbravo138again   |   1163 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Numbers you provided, sure, I'll agree Peyton was/is better in the playoffs over Brady, but I see 3 rings for one guy and just one for the other - can't really get over that fact.

Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson would like to remind you that teams win Super Bowls not 1 player, not even the QB.

3/21/12   |   aprilglaspie

Tom Brady is a wuss that the league has gone out of its way to protect. And he has a mullett and he wears Uggs. Brady is not in Manning's universe.

12/14/10   |   vansjess

 alright, being a huge pats fan, i'm going to stay as unbiased as i can. whoever said tom brady is by far the best of all time is mistaken. he has a decent argument, but the only position to have a clear, by-far best player ever is wide receiver with jerry rice.

that being said, there is no question that tom brady is the better playoff QB.
peyton manning's playoff resume:
1999 - Manning, at home in the dome, put just 16 points on the board, the team’s third lowest output of the season, while completing just 19 of 43 passes for 227 yards and zero touchdowns. Manning’s 60.9 passer rating was his lowest of the entire season. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 19-16.
 2000 - Manning struggled against the Dolphins and, in a game that lasted more than 70 minutes, was a non-factor. He completed barely 50 percent of his passes (17 for 32) for just 194 yards and a touchdown. The Colts generated 11 points off Fiedler’s interceptions but put a total of just 17 on the board, 10 points fewer than their regular-season average. It was Indy’s second lowest scoring output of the season.Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 23-17, in overtime.
2002 - Manning played the single worst statistical game of his entire career (14 for 31, 137 yards, 0 TDs, 2 INTs and a career-low 31.2 passer rating) and failed to put a single point on the board. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 41-0. 
2003 - Manning, facing foul weather and a good defense, returned to his historic postseason form in the AFC title game against New England. Indy’s D again played well under postseason pressure, stifling the Patriots in the red zone and forcing them to settle for five field goals. But Manning tossed four interceptions and posted the third lowest passer rating of his entire career (35.5). Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 24-14.
2004 - In a divisional game at New England, the Colts mustered just 3 points – their lowest offensive output since the 2002 playoff loss to the Jets. Once again, Manning played his very worst game of the season in the playoffs, completing 27 of 42 passes for 238 yards with 0 TDs and 1 INT and a passer rating of 69.3, his lowest of the year. Result: Manning chokes. Colts lose, 20-3.
people want to argue that this guy is better that is 3-1 in super bowls? and only got beaten by a freak, once in a lifetime catch? gimme a break.

12/5/10   |   sjonesrsm

jjh8857 wrote:
Tom Brady has a pretty big Playoff Failure on this resume as well.  The loss in the 08 SB was inexcusable.  Yet the 3 rings speak for themselves.

First of all that was 06 not 08!! The only reason he didn't win #4 Super Bowl was the ridiculous catch made by that throw from another Manning that should have never been caught. Brady is very close to the Greatest of all time!!! 

11/17/10   |   whboone

Brady 14-4, Manning 9-9. Enough said.

2/27/10   |   seconds41

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You are kidding me! No reason to cry when you remember all of the bad weather games that Brady played in the playoffs.  Payton's playoff passing numbers are slightly better with all of those games in a dome? If Brady had changed teams with Manning, Brady would have all of the regular season passing records, and all of the rings. 

2/27/10   |   seconds41

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Brady played more playoff games in bad weather conditions than Manning. That is why you can't say that Manning has better playoff passing stats. Same for regular season, Manning plays in a dome.

2/21/10   |   coltt21   |   5 respect

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This is a lousy article that was just  thrown together, theres no analysis just stats, and even the stats are lousy. you cannot measure playoff greatness by averages.  If you have  6tds in two first or second round playoff games but then have 2 td and 2 critical ints in one conference or superbowl game your average would be 2.7 tds and .7 int, those are solid numbers. this is a hypothetical situation.  Im just showing how average stats dont really say much, sure it will give you a little info but it doesnt show trends such as improving or declining in certain games, or at certain points in a game, or 1st 2nd rd or conference or superbowl stats. I personally am a Rodgers fan but would take brady over every qb currently playing and i would take manning second, they have both had playoff highs and lows but Brady has been a little higher and manning a little lower.  And as for who has had a better  run support or defense its all about how your team plays, some teams simply pass more than they run, a lot more sometimes.  If a team has moss/welker or harrison/wayne you dont run as much not many teams have 3+ guys that can put up 800+ yds or 100+ catches.  and defenses are all different some are designed to play with a lead or bend/dont break etc.  sometimes you sacrifice defense to acquire offense and vice versa.  but simply put who cares how many points you give up if you score more, i bet the saints arent complaing about their 25th ranked defense

2/12/10   |   Mannysworld   |   121 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
Pat, what would be "hilarious" would be you maturing enough to not call others' opinions "ignorant" just because they are different from yours. It's very disrespectful. I am reminded of a Mark Twain quote...
"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."

If you had read all the posts, you would have realized what my post meant. I was not saying those 2 players were great. I was merely adding to the list of Patriot receivers who were omitted in the list of receivers Brady has had during his career. Branch averaged over 50 receptions per year and was the 2004 SB MVP. Faulk has averaged 42 receptions over the past 10 years. And Moss and Welker were omitted also. The point was that Brady has had more to work with than the poster insinuated by only listing Brown, Givens, and Patten.

Please read my entire post and response. Branch was omitted. My bad.  I'll be the first to say I was dissappointed when he got traded. His SB MVP was another case of a good player turning it up a notch when the season is on the line. He was a good receiver for a few years. But he was never in the class of Wayne, Harrison, Clark. And although Faulk is an outstanding change of pace/receiving RB, he was not/is not a 3 down back. Using your numbers he averaged less than 3 catches a game. Manning had Edge James for at least half the decade, and he was a top 10 back most of the time.  Manning had more talented teammates on offense. Doesn't mean Brady had bad talent around him. Just not as good.

2/11/10   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

I think you might not realize just how good Brady is, to be honest. He isn't just a bunch of rings. He has some damn good numbers, too.

2/11/10   |   smithbree16   |   41 respect

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rings do matter and rings will always matter brady is much better than marino and always will be! joe motana, terry bradshaw, tom brady and all the other greats have never thrown an important interception in the biggest game on the biggest night!

2/10/10   |   smithbree16   |   41 respect

lol i guess faulk and branch equal the talent of reggie wayne and marvin harrison? get real people! brady's better so just deal with it!

2/10/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

Pat wrote:
What about them? Please don't try to say that they're great players, because that would just be hilariously ignorant.

Pat, what would be "hilarious" would be you maturing enough to not call others' opinions "ignorant" just because they are different from yours. It's very disrespectful. I am reminded of a Mark Twain quote...
"When I was a boy of fourteen, my father was so ignorant I could hardly stand to have the old man around. But when I got to be twenty-one, I was astonished at how much the old man had learned in seven years."

If you had read all the posts, you would have realized what my post meant. I was not saying those 2 players were great. I was merely adding to the list of Patriot receivers who were omitted in the list of receivers Brady has had during his career. Branch averaged over 50 receptions per year and was the 2004 SB MVP. Faulk has averaged 42 receptions over the past 10 years. And Moss and Welker were omitted also. The point was that Brady has had more to work with than the poster insinuated by only listing Brown, Givens, and Patten.

2/10/10   |   smithbree16   |   41 respect

Pat wrote:
Why do people continue to say the Patriots had the better overall team? The Colts won more games, and they had BY FAR the better offense. The Patriots had the better defense, but I believe it was more due to quality coaching than merely having more talent. The Colts have always been an extremely talented team on both sides of the ball... they just haven't had the killer mentality, imo.

i couldn't agree with you more! brady has played with less and have won more than manning that speaks volums itself:) YEAH brady has always had the defense but manning's defense wasn't ranked in the lower twenties like some of you are trying to make it sound! plus manning has always had the better quote on qoute  offense so that's even! brady is a better qb and a MUCH better postseason qb:) so people suck it up and get over it! it is what it is! postseason is what all the players suit up for and manning is very overrated when it comes to that! overall qb  please give me greatness ( a player that gets it done in both the regular and postseason)! that would be mr. all time great brady:) god bless ;)

2/10/10   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
 All Patriots fans would take Brady, all Colts fans would take Manning, and everyone else would be divided about equally.

Over the past 10 years, If you had the choice of the entire Patriots or Colts TEAM in the SB, which one would you pick? The Patriots have had a better overall team during Brady and Manning's careers. If Manning had played for New England, the number of "rings" would be reversed. 

Look, the question of which one of these 2 great qb's is better is ridiculous to argue. Wait until they are retired to at least get a better perspective. We don't know what will happen over the next 5-10 years.

Why do people continue to say the Patriots had the better overall team? The Colts won more games, and they had BY FAR the better offense. The Patriots had the better defense, but I believe it was more due to quality coaching than merely having more talent. The Colts have always been an extremely talented team on both sides of the ball... they just haven't had the killer mentality, imo.

2/10/10   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
 Deion Branch?  Kevin Faulk?

What about them? Please don't try to say that they're great players, because that would just be hilariously ignorant.

2/10/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

user174305 wrote:
If you had the choice of Brady or Manning as your QB in the Superbowl game, which one would you pick?
I'm willing to bet that the majority would pick Brady.

 All Patriots fans would take Brady, all Colts fans would take Manning, and everyone else would be divided about equally.

Over the past 10 years, If you had the choice of the entire Patriots or Colts TEAM in the SB, which one would you pick? The Patriots have had a better overall team during Brady and Manning's careers. If Manning had played for New England, the number of "rings" would be reversed. 

Look, the question of which one of these 2 great qb's is better is ridiculous to argue. Wait until they are retired to at least get a better perspective. We don't know what will happen over the next 5-10 years.

2/10/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

Mannysworld wrote:

Just need to read my post a little clearer, my friend. I said "WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LAST TWO YEARS BRADY HAS PLAYED". No doubt Welker and Moss are comparable to Wayne and Harrison.

 Deion Branch?  Kevin Faulk?

2/10/10   |   user174305   |   1 respect

If you had the choice of Brady or Manning as your QB in the Superbowl game, which one would you pick?
I'm willing to bet that the majority would pick Brady.

2/10/10   |   Mannysworld   |   121 respect

ataqwx wrote:
 Randy Moss? Wes Welker?

Just need to read my post a little clearer, my friend. I said "WITH THE EXCEPTION OF THE LAST TWO YEARS BRADY HAS PLAYED". No doubt Welker and Moss are comparable to Wayne and Harrison.

2/9/10   |   jjplynch   |   264 respect

elevenbravo138again wrote:
Can we agree that Brady's played on the better coached teams, I respect Dungy, Caldwell, Tom Moore, Larry Coyer and Howard Mudd, solid veteran football men all but there's a reason people were poaching Belichick's staff so often while the Dungy/Calwell regime has people in the same jobs for decades at a time.  The genius label has never been applied to anybody on the Colts staff.  And as has been pointed out teams win and lose this is not baseball or even basketball where 1 dominant player can literally take over a game or a series of games football is exemplified by group execution.  Would you take Bart Starr over Peyton?  He has more rings right?  Bradshaw has 4 is he an amazing QB?  Is Dan Fouts a better than Dilfer or does a ring erase a whole career? 

Bart Starr, Bradshaw, two of the all time greats, that's like waiting 20 years and asking if you want Brady or Brees on your team. 

2/9/10   |   jjplynch   |   264 respect

jpatterson01 wrote:
Okay, can't argue with the numbers but still is he really better or is he just all hype.But I'll give it to you for thinking about posting that.But me personally I think they both flat out suck.But that's just one guy's opinion.I have not met one person who does not like Peyton Manning.Tom Brady, maybe I have met a few people who dislike Tom Brady.And by maybe, I met for sure, and by a few I mean a lot, and by dislike I mean hate.

Why would anybody hate Peyton, he's affable, average looking and a loveable loser. 

People who hate Brady are just envious, he's a winner, he's handsome, and he's married to a top supermodel (who makes more money than him). 

2/9/10   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

mrward51 wrote:
Brady 3 rings


Marino   0   


who's better?????????, you all make me wanna puke, when you mention Brady with greatness...Manning is overall the better Qb.................Heck Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring also,,,Is he great.......LOL

Brady's better than Marino... but not ONLY because of the rings. There are a lot more reasons, too. If you're trying to say the rings are the only thing Brady has, you have no idea what you're talking about.

2/9/10   |   mrward51   |   46 respect

Brady 3 rings


Marino   0   


who's better?????????, you all make me wanna puke, when you mention Brady with greatness...Manning is overall the better Qb.................Heck Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring also,,,Is he great.......LOL

2/9/10   |   jerrybelll   |   19 respect

wrote:
Brady:  Three Rings. 

Manning: One Ring.

That is all the fancy stats you need.  In fact, though, I will delve further.

Montana:  Four Rings.

Bradshaw:  Four Rings.

You can call back when Manning stops throwing pick sixes in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl to anoint him anything more than a middling playoff quarter back - he with the .500 record (9-9) and as many rings as Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and one fewer than Jim Plunkett.

you are { A }  ok in my book !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

2/9/10   |   darraghq   |   4 respect

Sounds like someone who never saw Joe Montana play. I never watched Manning or Brady and went "wow!". And it's just dumb to there will never be anyone better than Tom Brady, he doesn't measure up to Joe yet. And Otto Graham has 7 rings, how about them apples ?

2/9/10   |   Joy_Hall65   |   1 respect

The saints played good and I was proud of them. Drew Brees will be a great QB, but no one will ever be better than Tom Brady.

2/9/10   |   Joy_Hall65   |   1 respect

phillydeac4life wrote:
Herm Edwards said it best, "You play to win the game..."

Stats are meaningless unless  you win the game.  Who cares if you pass for 400 yards, but then throw a pick that is returned for the winning TD?  Furthermore, are you going to remember the 400 yards, or the pick returned for the winning TD?

Anyway, if you do want to throw out stats, then there is only one that matters, Post Season W/L Record.  I think the stats below speak for themself

Brady 14-3 (3-1 in Super Bowl's and holds the NFL Record for most consecutive Post Season wins with 10 in a row)
Manning 9-9 (1-1 in Super Bowl's, and is 4-8 in the Playoffs in the years the Colts did not make the Super Bowl)

Tom Brady by far is the best QB of all time. He uses his brain and skill and gives his team credit. Much better personality and much better team player. Tom Brady is Number 1.

2/8/10   |   nyrangers   |   192 respect

You can't really decide the better post-season player simply by showing their average-playoff game stats. Stats can get padded in some games and hurt in others. A more important stat is wins, and of even more importance is SB wins. It's hard to gauge because each QB has different teams, but Brady has gotten it done in the postseason while Peyton hasn't. The great players get it done when it matters. Peyton made a few bad plays in the most important game of the season last night, and that's all it takes to cost a team its season

2/8/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

Pat wrote:
Manning also stared down Wayne during the entire play. His eyes never left Reggie Wayne. Any defensive back in the NFL could have known where he was throwing on that play.

I think people blame Wayne because they don't want to blame Peyton. In reality, it was very much his fault, as well.

I recorded the game and just viewed that play in slow-mo. Manning looked right, then left, then threw. The clock was stopped at 3:24, started with the snap, and the ball was in Porter's hands when 3:22 appeared. I don't know how it's possible to "stare down" a receiver on a 5 yard pass, from the shotgun, that only took 2 seconds from snap to interception.

Game 6 of the 1986 world series will always be remembered in most fans' minds as Buckner's booted ground ball losing the game. What they forget is that Boston was up by 2 runs with 2 outs and no one on base when Schiraldi and Stanley gave up 3 straight hits and a run scoring wild pitch before the Buckner play. That's the way I view the Favre or Manning interceptions. They were contributing factors, but not the only factor in the losses. The Viking fumbles and the Colt's dropped passes were just as crucial.

Manning and Brady are both great and definite hall of famers. And they are not through yet. Manning may win a couple more Super Bowls before he's done. But, whether he wins rings or not depends on his team as well as himself. He can't win them alone.

To all those who say that the number of rings determines how great a QB is, think about this. If you put Manning, Brady, Montana, or any great QB on a mediocre team, they will be a better team, but they won't win a championship. The Saints are my team, and Brees was as great the 3 previous years as he was this year. However, there were other weaknesses on the team that had to be addressed before they were good enough to get the ring. It's a total team effort.

2/8/10   |   wcsportsfan   |   48 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
"I think they both flat out suck".

Well then, that certainly is quite an opinion. Luckily for you, intelligence isn't necessary in opinions.

Can't argue with that

2/8/10   |   wcsportsfan   |   48 respect

Elway won two, not three, and his super bowl loss was to an infinitely superior 49er team. By the way Peyton is near the end of his career and probably just blew his last chance at greatness. He is doing the same thing he did at Tennesee, putting up huge numbers and losing the really big games that would have proved his greatness. By the way, I saw his father play, and I would take him in a game that counted over his son. I also saw Dan Marino play and he is not at the same level as Elway, Montana, Aikman, Unitas, oh, and Tom Brady, the elites who were at their best when it counted most. By the way I am not a New England fan, I actually like The Colts better then the evil empire, but the facts speak for themselves.

2/8/10   |   wcsportsfan   |   48 respect

CalBoomer wrote:
Part of "greatness" is being a winner in big games and pressure situations no matter what your stats are. For a good example, see Braves, Atlanta; lots of regular season wins, post-season underachievers. For all his stats, Manning is a post-season underachiever. And in this game, he did it to himself with a mindless, Favre-like critical interception. Stats are stats, wins are wins, big wins are big wins. Please, let's not relegate greatness to just a bunch of numbers.

Amen!! Great players come up big in the big games, Let's face it, Peyton Manning choked yesterday in one of the biggest moments of his career, in a game that was very winnable. Great numbers don't make great players, being consistent and coming up big when it counts does, especially at quarterback.

2/8/10   |   Indysweety_Lola   |   105 respect

Manning is 100%+ more than that better than Brady PERIOD! Not only in the playoffs. Dan Marino is considered an elite QB and how many rings does he have? Um, yeah. NONE! And it took 2 Super Bowl losses for John Elway to win his last 3.  Peyton takes this loss as a motivation. He learns from his mistakes. His character is of one who holds wisdom.  So you know what? Wait until Peyton's near the end of the career because believe me, the greatness you see now is only the beginning. A more elite legend is evolving.

2/8/10   |   kdavis0525   |   6 respect

Youi can say what you want,but i would take Brady.Sure the numbers are the same,but BRADY HAS 3 RINGS!!!!!!!!!!,He makes the right play at the right time,& do YOU think Bellichick would have been so lacksadaisical with the magnitude of the game,& a slim lead?,Me neither,I hate the Pats,but Brady in that situation.

2/8/10   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

jpatterson01 wrote:
Okay, can't argue with the numbers but still is he really better or is he just all hype.But I'll give it to you for thinking about posting that.But me personally I think they both flat out suck.But that's just one guy's opinion.I have not met one person who does not like Peyton Manning.Tom Brady, maybe I have met a few people who dislike Tom Brady.And by maybe, I met for sure, and by a few I mean a lot, and by dislike I mean hate.

"I think they both flat out suck".

Well then, that certainly is quite an opinion. Luckily for you, intelligence isn't necessary in opinions.

2/8/10   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

heelfan811 wrote:
not many in the HISTORY of the NFL are better than Manning!  He might be THE best before it all said and done...

I agree with this statement completely.

However, the argument here is all about "playoff QB's", meaning - in the playoffs only. I still think Tom Brady is better than Peyton Manning with 3 rings in 4 Superbowls compared to 1 ring in 2 Superbowls. The numbers show that they are closely comparable statistics-wise, but Tom was in some bigger games and got more wins when they were undeniably more important.

None of that takes away from Peyton still having the possibility of being the GOAT.

2/8/10   |   gobigblue1960   |   4803 respect

jjh8857 wrote:
Tom Brady has a pretty big Playoff Failure on this resume as well.  The loss in the 08 SB was inexcusable.  Yet the 3 rings speak for themselves.

Inexcusable.? Tom Brady, beaten up the entire game by the Giants defense, took his team down the field, hitting Randy Moss with a TD pass to give the Patriots a 14-10 lead with under 2 minuets left to play. Only the most miraculous drive in Super Bowl History by Eli Manning and the Giants kept Tom Brady and the Patriots from their 4th SB Title in 7 years. Brady has performed at the highest of levels, and has proven himself a winner.

2/8/10   |   jpatterson01

Okay, can't argue with the numbers but still is he really better or is he just all hype.But I'll give it to you for thinking about posting that.But me personally I think they both flat out suck.But that's just one guy's opinion.I have not met one person who does not like Peyton Manning.Tom Brady, maybe I have met a few people who dislike Tom Brady.And by maybe, I met for sure, and by a few I mean a lot, and by dislike I mean hate.

2/8/10   |   jjh8857   |   328 respect

wrote:

I dont remember Tom Brady ever throwing a Superbowl game clinching interception. Ouch!!

Tom Brady has a pretty big Playoff Failure on this resume as well.  The loss in the 08 SB was inexcusable.  Yet the 3 rings speak for themselves.

2/8/10   |   heelfan811   |   16036 respect

not many in the HISTORY of the NFL are better than Manning!  He might be THE best before it all said and done...

2/8/10   |   hartley51592   |   2462 respect

Already said multiple times, but championship rings > playoff stats. If Manning was in Brady's accomplished situation, I'm sure he wouldn't be complaining. But then again, what doesn't he complain about?

2/8/10   |   ataqwx   |   39 respect

Mannysworld wrote:

Evreryone here has brought up he SB rings. Its all that matters really. Playoffs and SB wins can't be compared to staistics that may have been built up against poor regular season competition. . As far as who has had the better team around them, I think its not as heavily in the Patriots favor as most have said. With the exception of the last two years Brady has played, Manning has ALWAYS had better receivers around him. Troy Brown, David patten, David Givens are all nice players but they are not Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark. And Indy's defense hasn't always been horrible. They have an excellent pass rush and have always had active lbs. The year they won the SB they had horrible run defense until the playoffs, then played very well in the playoffs. I respect and admire Manning for his accomplishments but if its a game winning drive in the Super Bowl, I want Brady.

 Randy Moss? Wes Welker?

2/8/10   |   Mannysworld   |   121 respect

Evreryone here has brought up he SB rings. Its all that matters really. Playoffs and SB wins can't be compared to staistics that may have been built up against poor regular season competition. . As far as who has had the better team around them, I think its not as heavily in the Patriots favor as most have said. With the exception of the last two years Brady has played, Manning has ALWAYS had better receivers around him. Troy Brown, David patten, David Givens are all nice players but they are not Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark. And Indy's defense hasn't always been horrible. They have an excellent pass rush and have always had active lbs. The year they won the SB they had horrible run defense until the playoffs, then played very well in the playoffs. I respect and admire Manning for his accomplishments but if its a game winning drive in the Super Bowl, I want Brady.

2/8/10   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
It is impossible to compare the greatness of 2 players based on rings OR stats.

Manning and Brady are both great. And, in all probability, if Manning played for the Patriots and Brady played for the Colts, the results of all their playoff games would be the same. Teams win games... not one player or stats. There have been many great quarterbacks who never won a championship because of inferior teams. And there have been many mediocre quarterbacks who did win championships with great teams.

As for the Manning interception... Dan Marino, Steve Young, and Chris Carter all put the blame on Reggie Wayne. He did not conceal his pattern and gave Porter an opportunity to go for the ball. (By the way, Wayne also dropped a td pass that hit him squarely in the hands). Incompletions and interceptions are not always the qb's fault.


Manning also stared down Wayne during the entire play. His eyes never left Reggie Wayne. Any defensive back in the NFL could have known where he was throwing on that play.

I think people blame Wayne because they don't want to blame Peyton. In reality, it was very much his fault, as well.

2/8/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

It is impossible to compare the greatness of 2 players based on rings OR stats.

Manning and Brady are both great. And, in all probability, if Manning played for the Patriots and Brady played for the Colts, the results of all their playoff games would be the same. Teams win games... not one player or stats. There have been many great quarterbacks who never won a championship because of inferior teams. And there have been many mediocre quarterbacks who did win championships with great teams.

As for the Manning interception... Dan Marino, Steve Young, and Chris Carter all put the blame on Reggie Wayne. He did not conceal his pattern and gave Porter an opportunity to go for the ball. (By the way, Wayne also dropped a td pass that hit him squarely in the hands). Incompletions and interceptions are not always the qb's fault.


2/8/10   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

wrote:
Brady:  Three Rings. 

Manning: One Ring.

That is all the fancy stats you need.  In fact, though, I will delve further.

Montana:  Four Rings.

Bradshaw:  Four Rings.

You can call back when Manning stops throwing pick sixes in the fourth quarter of the Super Bowl to anoint him anything more than a middling playoff quarter back - he with the .500 record (9-9) and as many rings as Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and one fewer than Jim Plunkett.

Brad Johnson disapproves of you leaving him out.

2/8/10   |   geoffw44

This is hysterical. While Peyton's level of play in the regular seasonhas clearly been the st in the NFL for years, you CANNOT make the case that he's the better big-stage QB.  Brady led a spectacular SB-winning drive in 2001 and made tons of plays in the win over Carolina.  I'd say his win over Philly equates with Manning's win over the Bears.  they both had better teams against weak NFC opponents.  Please man, please. Brady simply has the MUCH better playoff credentials.  It's about the rings, man.  Manning gagged last night with the Bowl on the line.  Case closed.  Three rings. One ring. Brady Wins.

2/8/10   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
The Patriots nor Colts also didn't win those Superbowls in spite of their quarterbacks. Neither teams had a dominant defense compared to Steelers teams to where QB play wasn't really ever a necessity, quarterback play was necessary in all four of those games.

Numbers in games aren't much different, no, but Brady also had 4 games that were of the upmost importance, and won 3. Manning was in 2 games of the upmost importance, won 1. Just how I see it.

 In 2 of the Patriots 3 Super Bowl wins, great QB play wasn't necessary (and of course in the Colts one Super Bowl win it wasn't necessary either).  Neither team won in spite of their QBs but they've both won their biggest games without major contributions from them (the one exception being the Patriots win over Carolina).

However, Brady has almost always had superior teams around him.  4 times he's had a top ten defense (historically a very good predictor of Super Bowl potential).  Peyton Manning has only had 2 top ten defenses.  In the eight years they've both played, Brady has had the better defense 5 of those 8 years.

Both QBs have only once had a top 10 rushing attack. However, Brady has had 5 top 15 rushing teams whereas Manning has only had 2.  In the past two years, the Colts have been 2nd to last and dead last in rushing.  Maybe most impressive is the fact that Manning carried the worst rushing game in the league this year and the 18th ranked defense to a 16-1 record in games the actually attempted to win.  He was a one man machine this year and he took that team all the way to the Super Bowl. Simply unbelievable.

2/8/10   |   elevenbravo138again   |   1163 respect

(Edited by elevenbravo138again)

Can we agree that Brady's played on the better coached teams, I respect Dungy, Caldwell, Tom Moore, Larry Coyer and Howard Mudd, solid veteran football men all but there's a reason people were poaching Belichick's staff so often while the Dungy/Calwell regime has people in the same jobs for decades at a time.  The genius label has never been applied to anybody on the Colts staff.  And as has been pointed out teams win and lose this is not baseball or even basketball where 1 dominant player can literally take over a game or a series of games football is exemplified by group execution.  Would you take Bart Starr over Peyton?  He has more rings right?  Bradshaw has 4 is he an amazing QB?  Is Dan Fouts a better than Dilfer or does a ring erase a whole career? 

2/8/10   |   jjplynch   |   264 respect

Lies, Damn Lies and Statistics.

The only proof we need of who is the better QB is Brady finds a way to win, Peyton (and Favre) throw interceptions and loses.  Its the same as in basketball, Wilt put up numbers that even the great Mr Jordan never challenged, but it was Bill Russell who ran out of fingers for his rings.    And it is so sweet when the home team wins it all.

2/8/10   |   phillydeac4life   |   20 respect

(Edited by phillydeac4life)

Herm Edwards said it best, "You play to win the game..."

Stats are meaningless unless  you win the game.  Who cares if you pass for 400 yards, but then throw a pick that is returned for the winning TD?  Furthermore, are you going to remember the 400 yards, or the pick returned for the winning TD?

Anyway, if you do want to throw out stats, then there is only one that matters, Post Season W/L Record.  I think the stats below speak for themself

Brady 14-3 (3-1 in Super Bowl's and holds the NFL Record for most consecutive Post Season wins with 10 in a row)
Manning 9-9 (1-1 in Super Bowl's, and is 4-8 in the Playoffs in the years the Colts did not make the Super Bowl)

2/8/10   |   Kenne   |   15905 respect

Last time I checked, it was teams that win Super Bowls, not just the Quarterback.

2/8/10   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

maddhatter6691 wrote:

I Thought The Patriots Lost All Of Their Fans After Getting Caught Cheating?  Just Saying 

No, you didn't "think" that. Most likely, you didn't "think" at all, if that's what you believe.

2/8/10   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

Peyton Manning, simply by the numbers, is better than Brady in the playoffs. However, the problem is that he's not nearly as consistent. Nearly every year, he has one catastrophically bad game, and it ends up costing the Colts their season.

It really doesn't matter how many times he tosses 4 or 5 touchdowns against the Broncos in the first round, when he throws a couple INT's later on. In this case, he only threw 1 interception... but it was at the worst possible time.

Tom Brady isn't as spectacular as Manning when he has good games, and you won't see him throw for 350 yards and 5 TD's, but we've almost never seen him throw hugely costly interceptions in the playoffs, either. Brady's more consistent, and more consistently puts the Patriots in a position to win, which is something that Peyton hasn't been able to do.

Sorry, but Brady's still better. Peyton's a choke artist, plain and simple. If this was the only time, I would be able to let it slide. But when it happens every single year, it's not just a coincidence. It's the theme of his career.

2/8/10   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
So the Patriots were the better franchise?  I think that's undeniable. Brady played a part in that, but if he and Manning switch the numbers show there really wouldn't be any difference.

I think you're getting way ahead of yourself saying the Patriots had a better franchise. The Patriots won a Super Bowl with Troy Brown playing in the secondary for God's sake. Manning has had some very good teams in Indy and has a career playoff record of 9-9. He's still a great QB, no question, but he's not the same playoff QB as Brady...yet. Manning will probably play for 6 or 7 more years, so he's still got plenty of time.

Also, Peyton Manning is one Rex Grossman led team away from being Dan Marino 2.0.

2/8/10   |   CalBoomer   |   43 respect

Part of "greatness" is being a winner in big games and pressure situations no matter what your stats are. For a good example, see Braves, Atlanta; lots of regular season wins, post-season underachievers. For all his stats, Manning is a post-season underachiever. And in this game, he did it to himself with a mindless, Favre-like critical interception. Stats are stats, wins are wins, big wins are big wins. Please, let's not relegate greatness to just a bunch of numbers.

2/8/10   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
So the Patriots were the better franchise?  I think that's undeniable. Brady played a part in that, but if he and Manning switch the numbers show there really wouldn't be any difference.

The Patriots nor Colts also didn't win those Superbowls in spite of their quarterbacks. Neither teams had a dominant defense compared to Steelers teams to where QB play wasn't really ever a necessity, quarterback play was necessary in all four of those games.

Numbers in games aren't much different, no, but Brady also had 4 games that were of the upmost importance, and won 3. Manning was in 2 games of the upmost importance, won 1. Just how I see it.

2/8/10   |   kantwistaye   |   4212 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Numbers you provided, sure, I'll agree Peyton was/is better in the playoffs over Brady, but I see 3 rings for one guy and just one for the other - can't really get over that fact.

So the Patriots were the better franchise?  I think that's undeniable. Brady played a part in that, but if he and Manning switch the numbers show there really wouldn't be any difference.

2/8/10   |   maddhatter6691   |   7918 respect

I Thought The Patriots Lost All Of Their Fans After Getting Caught Cheating?  Just Saying 

2/8/10   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Numbers you provided, sure, I'll agree Peyton was/is better in the playoffs over Brady, but I see 3 rings for one guy and just one for the other - can't really get over that fact.

2/8/10   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

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