NCAAF

Picking on the Pollsters - Week 12

11/13/06 in NCAAF   |   CriticalFanatic   |   respect

Our weekly look at the individual AP Ballots. Who was the biggest homer? Who doesn't make any sense? Who actually (gasp!) deserves some credit?

I paid special attention to Rutgers location and Arkansas. Two teams deserving of a largest jump in the polls.

Ray Ratto - San Francisco Chronicle (pictured)
Throughout the course of the season, Ray has had one of the most peculiar ballots. I'd put him atop my list of voters I'd like to talk to because I yet again can't understand his thought process.

6. West Virginia
8. Arkansas
9. Rutgers
22. Tennessee

Ray Ray ... West Virginia ahead of Arkansas AND Rutgers. What gives?

Jon Wilner - San Jose Mercury
I've included this gem, because it appears he's used several different theories. Rewarding some teams with weaker schedules,  yet punishing others.  He also clearly doesn't care about head to head matchups AT ALL.

10. Oklahoma
11. Rutgers
12. West Virginia
13. Louisville
17. Wisconsin

Jeff Metcalf - Arizona Republic
3. Arkansas  - I like it
7. West Virginia - What?
10. Rutgers - Hmmm. You know I thought maybe the voters might have watched the WVU-UL and UL-RU games. But this is proof they haven't.

David Jones - Florida Today
Here's one ballot I can't really disagree with.

Jason Whitlock - Kansas City Star
Always has a unique ballot.

4. Arkansas
7. Texas
8. Oklahoma
9. ND
10. Auburn
11. Rutgers

Kirk Herbstreit - ESPN
You're going to love this ...

3. Southern Cal
4. Arkansas
5. Notre Dame
6. Rutgers
7. Louisville
8. West Virginia
9. Florida

I'm thinking Herbie was finally denied by a Gator sorostitute ...

Which voter has lost his mind?
Feel free to sound off on the voters in the comments section and point out any other interesting ballots I might have missed.

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11/14/06   |   matdiddy22

Thanks CriticalFanatic for posting something intelligent and actually has to do with something I said.  Six teams I think is a little much.  Arkansas and Florida obviously then Auburn and LSU.  I would like to know what other teams you think would have one loss in the Big Ten. 

I think that Notre Dame v Florida would be a pretty good match-up and there is a good possibility we will see it.  I think the it would be ND 31 - UF 21.

Pat Yet again you didn't respond to one thing I said.  Everyone has played close games I know that.  And After ND they lost to Michigan they took their hit in the polls and after the win agasint MSU they didn't climb because the win wasn't a convincing win and also that's why Tennessee and Florida hopped ND in the polls after their close win against UCLA.  Florida is struggling now which is why I agree with Kirk's rankings. He doesn't have any 2 loss team ranked ahead of them.  They are the worst 1 loss team at this point.  That was my lone point at first.  Read Criticals post to figure out how to relevantly and intelligently respond

11/14/06   |   lljbone4

Pat wrote:
If we want to talk about close wins, could we please mention the ND-MSU game, ND-Ga Tech, and ND-UCLA?
In my opinion, Florida would take it to Notre Dame, and it would be about 37-17

Hey Pat, good job. I just signed up to this site and congratulations you have made absolutely zero arguments having to do with the topic. UF beating ND 37 to 17? Great pick, except the last 8 games UF hasnt scored more than 28, and the only time over 35 was to central florida. ...Hold on one second... Okay i'm back, I wanted to read where anyone was talking about how good ND's schedule was and how good of a team they were. It took me a while because I had to go back to week 2 at the beginning of the season. Please save your hatred of ND for when there is actually a topic about it.

11/14/06   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

If we want to talk about close wins, could we please mention the ND-MSU game, ND-Ga Tech, and ND-UCLA?
In my opinion, Florida would take it to Notre Dame, and it would be about 37-17

11/14/06   |   CriticalFanatic

Solid points. I still think Florida at 9 is much too low. We can overanalyze every score, but the fact remains they've continued to win. I do agree with you that the Gators have looked less impressive lately, but again they continue to win while others slip up.

I also can't back up the claim that the SEC is weaker than we're giving them credit. While I believe Ohio State and Michigan are better than any team in the south, I  feel strongly that six SEC teams would be right where Wisconsin is.

Since you're closer to ND and Florida than I am ... I'm curious how you think that matchup would conclude?

11/14/06   |   matdiddy22

Pat wrote:
And by the way...Arkansas is an SEC team. And your boy Kirk put them right in front of Notre Dame. Still think he's saying the SEC isn't as good as anyone thought?

I wish Notre Dame played a tougher schedule. You'd be singing a MUCH different tune.

Do you know anything about anything? I wouldn't be singing a MUCH different tune because I didn't say anything about Notre Dame or their schedule. The only reason I posted that was to disagree with the original poster saying there was something wrong with Kirk's ballot. That was my only point.  I said nothing about Notre Dame, Arkansas, or Auburn.  However since you apparently think that I did, I will respond.

If you notice, I didn't say anything about Notre Dame.  Their schedule was a little easier than expected.  PSU, UCLA (both top 15 USA Today Poll teams from last year) and MSU had worse than expected seasons, but that's why I didn't say anything about Notre Dame.  However, they do have perennially tough schedules.  Almost always before the season it is talked about how Notre Dame's schedule is one of the toughest.

Also I SAID Kirk was saying the SEC isn't as good as everyone thought because Kirk SAID that the SEC isn't as good as everyone thought on the post game show from this weekends game.  I agree Arkansas is a top 5 team, and the way they are playing if they win out I would put them above ND/USC Winner for the other spot in the National Championship.  Although that likely won't happen.

Third, Florida's only loss was to Auburn, fine I admit it....Auburn is a really good team.  Another point I didn't make but I'll respond to it. Notre Dame's only loss is to a team that hasn't lost at all.  I think we can agree Michigan might be a bit of a step up from a team that got absolutely spanked AT HOME by a UGA team that is 7-4 and beat Colorado(2-9) by a point and Ole Miss (3-7) by 4.

I said Florida struggles every week. That was incorrect.  Recently they have been struggling. Last three games: Beat unranked 7-4 UGA by a TD.  Beat unranked 4-7 VANDERBILT...VANDERBILT by less than a TD.  That was Vanderbilt in case you didn't catch that. Oh and they had a chance near the endzone at the end of the game to win it.  Beat SC by a point at home.  And easily could have been a loss, or at least overtime. Again my original post was to agree with Kirk and the way UF has been playing lately, I agree. And for fun Notre Dame opponents records is 66-56 and Florida's is 68-56. 

Even though I am a Notre Dame fan, I live in Gainesville and watch just about every minute of every game, and 9 is a fair enough ranking for the way they have played. 

Again the only reason for my original post was to disagree with the original posters objection to Kirk's poll.  Next time please respond to what I actually said so you don't waste my time having to respond to the counter arguments of arguments I didn't even make.

11/13/06   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

matdiddy22 wrote:
Kirk Herbstreit is week in and week out the only Commentator/Analysis who remains unbiased, and openly admits when he was wrong.  It took 11 weeks but he was the first one to say maybe the SEC isn't as good as everyone says.  Putting Florida at number 9 was the best poll of the week.  Maybe nobody else is watching their games, but they continue to struggle against everyone. They are not playing like a top 10 team, yet everyone puts them no lower than 4/5.  Good Job Herbstreit.

And by the way...Arkansas is an SEC team. And your boy Kirk put them right in front of Notre Dame. Still think he's saying the SEC isn't as good as anyone thought?

I wish Notre Dame played a tougher schedule. You'd be singing a MUCH different tune.

11/13/06   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

matdiddy22 wrote:
Kirk Herbstreit is week in and week out the only Commentator/Analysis who remains unbiased, and openly admits when he was wrong.  It took 11 weeks but he was the first one to say maybe the SEC isn't as good as everyone says.  Putting Florida at number 9 was the best poll of the week.  Maybe nobody else is watching their games, but they continue to struggle against everyone. They are not playing like a top 10 team, yet everyone puts them no lower than 4/5.  Good Job Herbstreit.

I can't believe I'm hearing this coming from a Notre Dame fan. This is ridiculous. In all reality, Notre Dame would have 4 losses if they played in the SEC. Florida's only loss came to Auburn, who is(whether or not you want to admit it) a very good football team.

I can't wait to see your Irish get smoked against USC, and then see USC get smoked by some SEC team in their bowl game.

11/13/06   |   matdiddy22

Kirk Herbstreit is week in and week out the only Commentator/Analysis who remains unbiased, and openly admits when he was wrong.  It took 11 weeks but he was the first one to say maybe the SEC isn't as good as everyone says.  Putting Florida at number 9 was the best poll of the week.  Maybe nobody else is watching their games, but they continue to struggle against everyone. They are not playing like a top 10 team, yet everyone puts them no lower than 4/5.  Good Job Herbstreit.

11/13/06   |   Marshall

(Edited by Marshall)

Got to like John Giglio's ballot #1 Michigan

Also there was a change in the Coaches poll there is now 1 vote for Michigan in the #1 spot. Last week IU coach Terry Hoeppner said that he has had OSU #1 all year and that after this week he'd have a better idea. After the game he said he had a tough decision to make before he had to vote sunday morning. Thats my guess on which coach changed his mind.