Red Sox are close to a trade with the Pirates for Joel Hanrahan

The Red Sox and Pirates are close to a deal involving Joel Hanrahan

12/22/12 in MLB   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

September 9, 2012; Pittsburgh, PA, USA; Pittsburgh Pirates relief pitcher Joel Hanrahan (52) pitches against the Chicago Cubs during the ninth inning at PNC Park. The Chicago Cubs won 4-2. Mandatory Credit: Charles LeClaire-USA TODAY SportsThe Red Sox and Pirates are very close to finalizing a deal that would send closer Joel Hanrahan to Boston in exchange for a few prospects, according to several sources including ESPN.

Hanrahan has quietly been one of the best closers in baseball over the past couple years, racking up 76 saves in the past two seasons and earning consecutive All Star appearances. His ERA in 2011 and 2012 combined was 2.24.

He averages a strikeout per inning, and has better than a 2/1 ratio of strikeouts to walks.

There's no telling how he'll handle the transition from Pittsburgh to Boston, and that could be a serious issue, since the two cities are remarkably different in how they handle their baseball teams. Hopefully for the Red Sox' sake, he can handle the additional media scrutiny that will undoubtedly be present in Boston.

Various reports say that the Red Sox will send 1B/OF Jerry Sands and pitchers Mark Melancon and Stolmy Pimentel to the Pirates in the deal.

Hanrahan will immediately become a strong candidate to take over the closing job in Boston. Andrew Bailey was supposed to be the closer last year, but was injured for most of the season. Time will tell whether or not he'll get his job back.

This is a move designed to strengthen both bullpens. The Red Sox had a couple lower-tier arms available, and needed a stud reliever. They're getting that in Hanrahan. The Pirates, on the other hand, needed more depth, and they'll get that with Melancon and Pimentel. Also, Hanrahan is one year away from free agency, and it was doubtful that he would stay in Pittsburgh anyway.

This is a solid move for the Red Sox, but their starting rotation still has some huge question marks that will need to be addressed before anyone really takes them seriously in 2013.
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12/27/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Eric_ wrote:
You can find a new closer. They're just like every other reliever: replaceable over time. Look at how many guys end up as closers at some point during any given recent season. Hanrahan has regression written all over him, and I'm guessing Boston knew that to a point given what they gave up. If anything, Pittsburgh's mistake was not trading him after 2011. For losing teams, good closers are luxuries.

Who exactly do you want them to spend money on right now? They extended McCutchen. I'm not sure what else out in the market you'd want to pay actual money for. I'm not happy that the Orioles haven't done anything either, but at this point, doing something just to do something just makes it worse.

I'm not saying do something just to do something, so you can stop right there.  What I am saying is they keep talking about how they don't want to mortgage the future, yet you've reached the point where the future isn't IN the future anymore, it's here and now.  They apparently think Melancon will be 8th inning and Grilli will be 9th.  Mark my words, Grilli won't have many save opportunities because Melancon just isn't that good.  The problem is they are very close to being a competitive team for an entire season and ending this long losing streak, so anyone you bring in at this point has to be capable of helping this team NOW, not 2 or 3 years down the road.  They didn't get any players in the Hanrahan trade that will do that.

The ONLY way Melancon will be any good is if Ray Searrage can somehow pull a rabbit out of his hat again and get the most out of him like he's done with 95% of the pitching staff.  If that doesn't happen, this team is royally screwed.

I've told you before and I'll tell you again, you simply don't understand until you're here and see the deceit that Bob Nutting shows to the fans on a daily basis.  I also heard tonight that he's pulling money from the Pirates to keep his ski resort afloat because last year's mild winter hurt it tremendously, but they should be kept completely separate.  It's time for him to sell one of the two if he has to rob Peter to pay Paul.

12/26/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

kramer wrote:
Yes he did give up homers last year, but Hanrahan has been very good for the Bucs.  Melancon is overrated.  They now don't have a closer (Grilli will not be as effective in the 9th inning).  Don't listen to me, listen to every local media outlet that's saying exactly what I am, that this is another salary dump.  Signing Martin and Liriano forced Nutting to *gasp* spend money.  He is the 10th richest owner in baseball, worth 1.1 billion as of last April, and has the money to afford all 3 players.  The Hammer was a key reason they (Pirates) were still in contention through August.

Quote directly from Paul Zeise of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette last night: "They keep saying they don't want to mortgage the future.  Well, it's year 6, when are you gonna start caring about the major league club and get players that can help you for next year?"

This is a step backwards for the Pirates, plain and simple.  The one who could've possibly settled into the closer role with a little work was Brad Lincoln, but they traded him for Travis Snider.  The bottom line is this, the Pirates got nobody who can actually HELP them in 2013 with this trade.

You can find a new closer. They're just like every other reliever: replaceable over time. Look at how many guys end up as closers at some point during any given recent season. Hanrahan has regression written all over him, and I'm guessing Boston knew that to a point given what they gave up. If anything, Pittsburgh's mistake was not trading him after 2011. For losing teams, good closers are luxuries.

Who exactly do you want them to spend money on right now? They extended McCutchen. I'm not sure what else out in the market you'd want to pay actual money for. I'm not happy that the Orioles haven't done anything either, but at this point, doing something just to do something just makes it worse.

12/24/12   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Yes he did give up homers last year, but Hanrahan has been very good for the Bucs.  Melancon is overrated.  They now don't have a closer (Grilli will not be as effective in the 9th inning).  Don't listen to me, listen to every local media outlet that's saying exactly what I am, that this is another salary dump.  Signing Martin and Liriano forced Nutting to *gasp* spend money.  He is the 10th richest owner in baseball, worth 1.1 billion as of last April, and has the money to afford all 3 players.  The Hammer was a key reason they (Pirates) were still in contention through August.

Quote directly from Paul Zeise of the Pittsburgh Post Gazette last night: "They keep saying they don't want to mortgage the future.  Well, it's year 6, when are you gonna start caring about the major league club and get players that can help you for next year?"

This is a step backwards for the Pirates, plain and simple.  The one who could've possibly settled into the closer role with a little work was Brad Lincoln, but they traded him for Travis Snider.  The bottom line is this, the Pirates got nobody who can actually HELP them in 2013 with this trade.

12/23/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

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He shouldn't. Hanrahan really isn't that good. A quick look past the superficial number show that. A 2:1 K/BB isn't that good, especially when he walks more than 5 guys per 9 innings. He also went back to giving up homers, a problem his whole career except 2011. His ERA last year was 2.72, was his FIP was 4.45. This has the potential to blow up in Boston's face, which is probably why they didn't give up much for him.

12/23/12   |   Scott   |   52847 respect

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