Richard Sherman calls the Patriots a gimmick offense

Seattle defense gets torched for 395 passing yards, calls the other team a 'gimmick offense'

10/15/12 in NFL   |   Pat   |   5135 respect

Oct 14, 2012; Seattle, WA, USA; Seattle Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman (25) intercepts the ball from intended for New England Patriots wide receiver Deion Branch (84) during the 2nd half at CenturyLink Field. Seattle defeated New England 24-23. Mandatory Credit: Steven Bisig-US PRESSWIREThe Patriots have consistently been one of the best offenses in the NFL for quite a few years now.

Yesterday, against Seattle, the top ranked defense in the league, they put up 475 yards.

But Seahawks cornerback Richard Sherman says they're just a gimmick offense.

I suppose it's easy to say after a win, but let's take a step back and look at the big picture.

Tom Brady threw for 395 yards against the Seahawks. He also threw bad interceptions, but they had as much to do with the driving rain as they had to do with the defense. Neither were particularly great plays by the defense.

Brady and the Patriots' hurry-up offense has been carving up NFL defenses for years. If that's a gimmick, then the entire NFL is a gimmick.

In all reality, the Patriots' loss had very little to do with the Seahawks defense stepping up, and everything to do with their own defense completely collapsing and allowing Russell Wilson to beat them with deep passes, even when they knew that's what the Seahawks were going to do.

The Patriots have problems closing out games. When their opponent is forced to pass, they are generally able to do so pretty easily.

It happened against the Cardinals, it happened against the Broncos, it happened against the Ravens, and it happened against the Seahawks.

It's just a little embarrassing when a cornerback gets torched all game, and wants to talk trash about one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time.

As they say... Act like you've been there before. Clearly, Sherman and the Seahawks haven't. And it shows.
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10/17/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Jess wrote:
Oh I don't think anything was given to them either. A few years ago this team would have given up after being down more than 10 points that late in the game. This team fought for what they got. I should have put my reply in sarcastic font :) (But it was also a note that our receivers have been dropping those TD passes in previous games, even if a team WAS trying to give them a win.)

Got 'cha.... I'm still looking for a good 'Sarcasm' font myself....

10/16/12   |   Jess   |   32868 respect

Pat wrote:
And the Patriots gave away 3 points before halftime, when they missed the opportunity to kick the field goal.

You were saying?

Let's be fair - they missed the opportunity because they elected to go for the TD rather than kick a FG on third down, with what they thought would have been plenty of time if they missed it, to go for the FG before the half. Seattle's defense forced Brady to take an intentional grounding penalty that resulted in the clock runoff. The Pats did nothing wrong there; I would assume that if put in the same situation again, with 15 or so seconds left on 3rd down in the red zone they would go for the TD on a pass play. Any team with a good hurry-up offense would. The Seattle defense just stopped that drive at a crucial time.

10/16/12   |   Jess   |   32868 respect

beerstudk wrote:
Totally disagree.... the Seahawks scored TWO touchdowns LATE in the 4th quarter to win by 1 point.  Nothing was given to Seattle, it was TAKEN from New England and there's a huge difference between those two senarios.

Oh I don't think anything was given to them either. A few years ago this team would have given up after being down more than 10 points that late in the game. This team fought for what they got. I should have put my reply in sarcastic font :) (But it was also a note that our receivers have been dropping those TD passes in previous games, even if a team WAS trying to give them a win.)

10/16/12   |   Pat   |   5135 respect

beerstudk wrote:
Totally disagree.... the Seahawks scored TWO touchdowns LATE in the 4th quarter to win by 1 point.  Nothing was given to Seattle, it was TAKEN from New England and there's a huge difference between those two senarios.

And the Patriots gave away 3 points before halftime, when they missed the opportunity to kick the field goal.

You were saying?

10/16/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Jess wrote:
Maybe it's because we've seen so many open receivers in the end zone recently, Wilson putting the ball where it needed to be, and then the rec. dropping it that makes us feel like the Seahawks offense earned that win more than it was given to them. I dunno.

Totally disagree.... the Seahawks scored TWO touchdowns LATE in the 4th quarter to win by 1 point.  Nothing was given to Seattle, it was TAKEN from New England and there's a huge difference between those two senarios.

10/15/12   |   Jess   |   32868 respect

beerstudk wrote:
I never said it was Brady's fault for losing,and I also never said the Seahawks 'shut him down' either.  I said they made stops when it counted, and the fact that they only scored 6 points in the 2nd half validates that fact.

I know this game meant less to New England than Seattle, but when you win by throwing a TD on 4th down and a 50+ yard bomb really late in the game.... you earn that win and in the Patriots case, they straight-up lost.  They didn't throw anything away, it got took from them.

Maybe it's because we've seen so many open receivers in the end zone recently, Wilson putting the ball where it needed to be, and then the rec. dropping it that makes us feel like the Seahawks offense earned that win more than it was given to them. I dunno.

10/15/12   |   Jess   |   32868 respect

P.S. - I never imagined I would be regularly using "@" as a verb, or "tweet" when talking about football.

10/15/12   |   Jess   |   32868 respect

Pat wrote:
Click the ESPN link in the article. It'll explain exactly how it went down.

As far as Brady goes... he didn't play all that well. I'll gladly admit that. But even from what you're saying, I think we can admit that it was as much due to Brady as it was the defense. It's not like they shut him down.

In response to Jess' comment... rain or not, it's easy to throw against the Patriots. Their secondary is absolutely atrocious, which is why you probably haven't read any ESPN articles about them talking trash. And while I'm not necessarily trying to discredit the Seahawks... the Patriots DID throw this game away. There's really no denying it. It's a trend for the Patriots. They've had trouble closing out games. It's not just this one.

Re: how it went down - I wasn't referring to Brady telling Sherman to see him after the game as being the beginning of the smack (in that case, yes...Earl and Sherman yapping at him would have been the beginning of that nonsense). I was actually talking about his interview - I don't feel like looking for it but I will find and link it when I have a chance if you want - where he was saying he was excited to come into Seattle and shut the 12th Man up, even turn them against the Seahawks as having "started" things. He may have said it in jest, but it was a dig nonetheless. I was sure those guys saw that; people were @'ing them on twitter with the links etc. and Sherman's 2nd sarcastic tweet about Brady really looking like someone who turned their fans against them confirmed that. 

10/15/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Pat wrote:
Click the ESPN link in the article. It'll explain exactly how it went down.

As far as Brady goes... he didn't play all that well. I'll gladly admit that. But even from what you're saying, I think we can admit that it was as much due to Brady as it was the defense. It's not like they shut him down.

In response to Jess' comment... rain or not, it's easy to throw against the Patriots. Their secondary is absolutely atrocious, which is why you probably haven't read any ESPN articles about them talking trash. And while I'm not necessarily trying to discredit the Seahawks... the Patriots DID throw this game away. There's really no denying it. It's a trend for the Patriots. They've had trouble closing out games. It's not just this one.

I never said it was Brady's fault for losing,and I also never said the Seahawks 'shut him down' either.  I said they made stops when it counted, and the fact that they only scored 6 points in the 2nd half validates that fact.

I know this game meant less to New England than Seattle, but when you win by throwing a TD on 4th down and a 50+ yard bomb really late in the game.... you earn that win and in the Patriots case, they straight-up lost.  They didn't throw anything away, it got took from them.

10/15/12   |   Pat   |   5135 respect

beerstudk wrote:
It's odd that you fail to mention that Brady brought all of this on himself by talking $h!t to Sherman and Earl Thomas on twitter.....

You also fail to look beyond the stats... Ya, Brady had 395 yards passing, he also had some dropped interceptions, 2 intentional ground penalties (one of them cost his team 3 points), and the Seahawks D stopped him when it mattered late in the game.

Shouldn't throw rocks if you live in a glass house bro

Click the ESPN link in the article. It'll explain exactly how it went down.

As far as Brady goes... he didn't play all that well. I'll gladly admit that. But even from what you're saying, I think we can admit that it was as much due to Brady as it was the defense. It's not like they shut him down.

In response to Jess' comment... rain or not, it's easy to throw against the Patriots. Their secondary is absolutely atrocious, which is why you probably haven't read any ESPN articles about them talking trash. And while I'm not necessarily trying to discredit the Seahawks... the Patriots DID throw this game away. There's really no denying it. It's a trend for the Patriots. They've had trouble closing out games. It's not just this one.

10/15/12   |   Jess   |   32868 respect

beerstudk wrote:
It's odd that you fail to mention that Brady brought all of this on himself by talking $h!t to Sherman and Earl Thomas on twitter.....

You also fail to look beyond the stats... Ya, Brady had 395 yards passing, he also had some dropped interceptions, 2 intentional ground penalties (one of them cost his team 3 points), and the Seahawks D stopped him when it mattered late in the game.

Shouldn't throw rocks if you live in a glass house bro

I'm not sure that it was on Twitter (I don't think he has a Twitter acct.) but he definitely did start the smack and kept it going throughout the game. But didn't you get the memo? As a Seahawks fan you should have heard this by now - you're not allowed to talk smack or be confident unless you have rings. That's not necessarily from Pat here - that's from a lot of fans and players all around the league. Silly Seahawks.

10/15/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

It's odd that you fail to mention that Brady brought all of this on himself by talking $h!t to Sherman and Earl Thomas on twitter.....

You also fail to look beyond the stats... Ya, Brady had 395 yards passing, he also had some dropped interceptions, 2 intentional ground penalties (one of them cost his team 3 points), and the Seahawks D stopped him when it mattered late in the game.

Shouldn't throw rocks if you live in a glass house bro

10/15/12   |   Jess   |   32868 respect

(Edited by Jess)

Richard Sherman's just running his mouth like Richard Sherman runs his mouth. I will say that I was disappointed that the Seahawks defense didn't play the smashmouth style I've become accustomed to yesterday, but the Pats are a great offense that gave them about all they could handle. It's hard to get to a QB who gets the ball off so quickly...though they did come close a few times.

Brady did come very close to throwing more INTs than he did though - Thomas almost had a couple more on top of the one he did pick. And Brady's little pre-game comments about silencing the crowd, turning the 12th Man on the Seahawks, and then taunting the fans after his first TD didn't help matters much. All that did was made the crowd louder and put a bigger chip on Sherman's shoulder. With that secondary, getting beat all day or not, it's usually just a matter of time before they snag a pass or two, Sherman knows it, and yesterday was no exception. Throw in a last-minute win for the Seahawks after he told Sherman to see him after the game, and of course he's going to get a little nose rubbing. With all the back and forth going on all day out there it was inevitable - I'm not even sure why it's such a big story today.

And I've gotta say, I'm a little tired of the Seahawks never getting credit for their wins. It's always the other team's loss, the other team's mistakes, or the replacement refs(ok maybe you've got me on that one) isn't it? Well...the defense wasn't as great yesterday as they've been, but the offense was definitely improved, even if it did come late in the game. Pats defense may have imploded, I don't know. What I do know is that when Bevell finally opened up the playbook a little and stopped the "run-run-pass" predictable bs, maybe getting a little "gimmicky" themselves - the Hawks were able to put together some great drives. While the Seahawks D allowed a lot of yards, Wilson looked good out there, but I'm not giving this win all to him - the receivers did step it up. Covered or not, in previous games they've dropped those game-changing and game-winning TDs in Arizona and St. Louis. They didn't drop them yesterday, and that made all the difference. It was nice to see the offense come alive when the defense was struggling a bit. And I may be mistaken, but I'm pretty sure both teams were playing in the rain; not just the Patriots.