Roy Williams Hides Ed Davis During NCAA Tournament

Daggum! Roy Williams Called Out for Hiding Ed Davis From NBA GMs

3/24/09 in NCAABB   |   Brinson   |   respect

Roy Williams is seemingly free -- despite his rampant eff bombs to the press -- from criticism. Of course, it doesn't hurt that his teams at Kansas and North Carolina have always been great. But Mark Heisler, in his annual Los Angeles Times piece ranking the NBA prospects in the middle of the NCAA Tournament, took a not-so-veiled shot at basketball's version of the Ole' Ball Coach.

Nothing's shocking about Heisler putting Blake Griffin, Ricky Rubio and Jordan Hill at the top of his list, but the Tar Heel's Ed Davis checking in at fourth is kind of a bombshell. Unless, of course, you've watched a lot of Carolina games this year. Or maybe just saw him flash his freakishness during the Heels' win over LSU on Saturday.

The latter explains exactly why Heisler attaches this blurb to Davis' ranking: "No one talks about him now, which, as one GM said, 'is how Roy Williams wants it.'"

The truth of the matter is that right now, if the Tar Heels lose, they go home. The problem is that all season long, well, Davis has been better. And everyone's known it, too. Much like Marvin Williams, who never started a game at Carolina, Davis has been hidden, relatively, from NBA GMs and the casual viewing public by Roy's willingness to let him ride pine.

Only when it's most convenient does Williams bust him out -- a la Marvin during the team's championship run a few years back -- leading to a suppression of his statistics. Of course, just like Marvin, Davis is critical to the chances of the Tar Heels winning a championship, and might end up being the piece of the puzzle that can help make up for Ty Lawson's injured toe.

If that happens, there's a pretty good bet that Heisler's rankings end up being fairly accurate and Davis gets advised to take the money and run. But, hey, at least Roy tried. Oh, and he's got a five-star waiting to fill his spot anyway, so it's not like keeping Davis is worth sacrificing a shot at finally winning a national championship with his own players anyway.
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3/24/09   |   Murph   |   4 respect

celticfc411 wrote:
Don't sugarcoat it...tell us how you really feel

It's not enough words in the english language for me to describe to you my feelings about Roy. I respect Carolina as a school and a team but their coach gets nothing from me.

3/24/09   |   CMH_SB_luvr

BluDevil wrote:
No player wants to leave for the NBA? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the funniest thing I've ever read on this site... ever.

I guess you must be best buds with a lot of players to gain this insight that no player, ever, for any reason, wants to leave for the NBA.
(Edited by CMH_SB_luvr)

Don't laugh about what you don't know buddy.

It's that way at Carolina, maybe not at Duke of course...not that i'm implying anything.

(come on you had to laugh at that one (-:)

Look, this is taking up a lot of valuable time when we could be doing more productive things so I'm going to drop it. We can agree that we are all entitled to our own opinions. Let's leave it at that.

3/24/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

CMH_SB_luvr wrote:

Whatever. I could continue but I don't have time (considering I just got home from practice and I have a concert to do tomorrow, plus homework).

Let me just say this: no college player wants to leave for the NBA. There are multiple reasons why they do, but they don't want to. Therefore, the NBA card is bull.

Also, you can't screw the experience factor because the Dukies need it. I asked my Duke fan friend what they gained from last year. He said, "Experience." I asked, "You experienced what? Getting your asses kicked all over the floor by us?" At least we experienced something useful.

No player wants to leave for the NBA? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the funniest thing I've ever read on this site... ever.

I guess you must be best buds with a lot of players to gain this insight that no player, ever, for any reason, wants to leave for the NBA.

3/24/09   |   CMH_SB_luvr

BluDevil wrote:
And in today's college game it also means (most of the time) that you weren't that great a player or else you would have already declared for the NBA and gotten drafted. So what if seniors have more experience? I'll take a guy who is a better player over a more experienced player any day. Some 5th year red shirt walk on senior isn't better than my freshman stud, so my freshman will play and screw the experience factor.
(Edited by CMH_SB_luvr)

Whatever. I could continue but I don't have time (considering I just got home from practice and I have a concert to do tomorrow, plus homework).

Let me just say this: no college player wants to leave for the NBA. There are multiple reasons why they do, but they don't want to. Therefore, the NBA card is bull.

Also, you can't screw the experience factor because the Dukies need it. I asked my Duke fan friend what they gained from last year. He said, "Experience." I asked, "You experienced what? Getting your asses kicked all over the floor by us?" At least we experienced something useful.

3/24/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

CMH_SB_luvr wrote:
I never said that Ed was better than any of the starters. It is not just seniority, but let's face it; you can never get too much experience. Seniors and juniors have game experience.

They have also worked over the years on aspects of their game or body that need improving. For example, Tyler has matured defensively over the years and his defensive ability is more than just blocking shots. Deon has changed physically; he lost weight and gained some muscle mass. Seniority not only means that you should get respect, it means that you have more experience, period.

And in today's college game it also means (most of the time) that you weren't that great a player or else you would have already declared for the NBA and gotten drafted. So what if seniors have more experience? I'll take a guy who is a better player over a more experienced player any day. Some 5th year red shirt walk on senior isn't better than my freshman stud, so my freshman will play and screw the experience factor.

3/24/09   |   celticfc411   |   51 respect

Murph wrote:
I HATE Roy Williams!

Don't sugarcoat it...tell us how you really feel

3/24/09   |   CMH_SB_luvr

BluDevil wrote:
You've gotta be kidding me. If it is true that Roy would really sit a better player because of "seniority" then no wonder he's never won a title with his own players. I don't buy it for a second that Roy would really do that. If this kid isn't playing it is because there is someone better in front of him, period.

Otherwise Roy would really be that much bigger of a dunce when compared to Coach K, who sat his senior G Paulus this entire year (basically) because there were better players than him (Smith, Williams, Scheyer). I think that any coach of Roy or Coach K's caliber wouldn't sit a player who could legitimately help them win NOW on their bench to keep them hidden from the NBA, or to reward some kind of seniority. That is just dumb.

I never said that Ed was better than any of the starters. It is not just seniority, but let's face it; you can never get too much experience. Seniors and juniors have game experience.

They have also worked over the years on aspects of their game or body that need improving. For example, Tyler has matured defensively over the years and his defensive ability is more than just blocking shots. Deon has changed physically; he lost weight and gained some muscle mass. Seniority not only means that you should get respect, it means that you have more experience, period.

3/24/09   |   Murph   |   4 respect

I HATE Roy Williams!

3/24/09   |   nebo

(Edited by nebo)

It's simple, Ed has great upside  but he needs to mature.  He needs to grow and add weight.  Talent (alone) does not an NBA player make.  The talent ,  mind and body need to come together.  Of course, why should Roy want to feed the pros. I see the anti UNC rater is on the "poor" button again.

3/24/09   |   BigZackUNC

In Roy I Trust.........  If Ed stays, he stays.... If Ed leaves, he leaves.  Either way.. UNC is Bad@ss

3/24/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

You've gotta be kidding me. If it is true that Roy would really sit a better player because of "seniority" then no wonder he's never won a title with his own players. I don't buy it for a second that Roy would really do that. If this kid isn't playing it is because there is someone better in front of him, period.

Otherwise Roy would really be that much bigger of a dunce when compared to Coach K, who sat his senior G Paulus this entire year (basically) because there were better players than him (Smith, Williams, Scheyer). I think that any coach of Roy or Coach K's caliber wouldn't sit a player who could legitimately help them win NOW on their bench to keep them hidden from the NBA, or to reward some kind of seniority. That is just dumb.

3/24/09   |   blondie45044   |   5873 respect

Yikes the F bomb!

3/24/09   |   DigitalSquire   |   1 respect

Amazing that Carolina can have players of that caliber coming off the bench.  Scary thing is that its been this way for 30 years.

3/24/09   |   Bashfulblue   |   7 respect

May be "old Roy" is saving Ed Davis for a champonship run.....Ed Davis knew when He came to Carolina he would be coming off the bench

3/23/09   |   CMH_SB_luvr

I think that you may not see the whole picture here. You see, the two reasons Marvin and Ed didn't and don't start are one; there are five guys that are just as good as them standing on the court, and two; it's all about seniority. I know that Marvin understood that he and his teammates were equal, but Sean was older, therefore Sean started, and Marvin respected that. It's not that Roy is trying to keep Ed around, it's that this is Tyler and Deon's year. They have waited for this for a few years now, and they get to be the starters because they are the juniors and seniors. That's how it's always been at UNC, and it probably always will be.