Sean Payton suspended for Saints bounty program

The NFL has dropped the hammer on the Saints, and specifically Sean Payton

3/21/12 in NFL   |   Pat   |   5222 respect

Sean Payton, Gregg Williams and others involved in the Saints' bounty system have been hit hard by Roger Goodell and the NFL.

Payton will receive a one-year suspension, Williams has been suspended indefinitely, and the Saints were fined $500,000 and lost their 2nd round picks in 2012 and 2013.

Saints GM Mickey Loomis was suspended 8 games and assistant coach Joe Vitt was suspended for 6.

At the end of this season, Goodell will review Williams' status and decide whether or not he can return to the league.

This is right up there with SpyGate in terms of the heaviest suspensions in league history. SpyGate's punishment was harsher financially, but the people involved in "BountyGate" received harsher suspensions.

As far as draft picks go, the Patriots lost a first round pick after SpyGate, while the Saints lost the 2 second rounders.

There could still be more punishments handed out, as the league determines how to handle specific players involved.

Do you think this punishment is too harsh, not harsh enough, or is it just right?
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3/24/12   |   Nate   |   128 respect

Tigers2010 wrote:
Goodell does not like to be lied to  and that Sean did over a 2 year span...

Goodell doesn't like a lot of things doesn't really like the truth either, I am pretty sure he'd suspend an entire team if everyone on it tweeted their dislikes of him.

3/24/12   |   jjh8857   |   321 respect

Pat wrote:
Yup... Dallas and Washington got hit pretty hard there, and those are two huge markets with lots of financial clout. I don't think Goodell really shows favoritism, I think he's an a**hole to everyone.

Exactly what they deserve. Nice message sent to all. Bounty Hunting is bull. I'm a fan of evolution & this is the next step. Now if we can only get Drew Brees to shut up...

3/24/12   |   Tigers2010   |   646 respect

Goodell does not like to be lied to  and that Sean did over a 2 year span...

3/23/12   |   Pat   |   5222 respect

Nate wrote:
Are you sure about that? Dallas got his with a 10 million dollar salary cap docking due to a perceived notion that they had unfair advantage in an uncapped year by front load contracts. If the NFL would hit them that hard when there was no real league violation, what do you think they would do if it was a clear league violation. Keep in mind the league has to approve all player contracts.

Yup... Dallas and Washington got hit pretty hard there, and those are two huge markets with lots of financial clout. I don't think Goodell really shows favoritism, I think he's an a**hole to everyone.

3/23/12   |   Nate   |   128 respect

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Are you sure about that? Dallas got his with a 10 million dollar salary cap docking due to a perceived notion that they had unfair advantage in an uncapped year by front load contracts. If the NFL would hit them that hard when there was no real league violation, what do you think they would do if it was a clear league violation. Keep in mind the league has to approve all player contracts.

3/23/12   |   keppieboy   |   158 respect

keppieboy wrote:
Hey if you lied to your boss you would most likely get fired enough said.

That is correct he did not get fired he got a years vacation lol.

3/23/12   |   Tigers2010   |   646 respect

If this would have been Chicago,New York Jets or Giants, New England or Dallas the hammer would not have been as hard on there Head Coach....Those are big market teams.....

3/22/12   |   nortonsfury   |   130 respect

Grand scheme Goodell has been known to come down hard in his time as commish.  This really doesn't come as much of a shock.  It all goes back to the NFL code of conduct.  I'm sure other teams have bounties but the Saints got caught.  When you break the rules you pay a price.  There is no turning back.  It's going to be interesting to see how hard he comes down on the players that are involved.  That could make or break the season in New Orleans.  Payton can coach from a couch but Jonathon Vilma can't play defense from his living room.

3/22/12   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

keppieboy wrote:
Hey if you lied to your boss you would most likely get fired enough said.

he didn't get fired...he's just taking some time off

3/22/12   |   keppieboy   |   158 respect

derms33 wrote:
I think this is outrageous...Goodell thinks he's the damn supreme court...Williams and players should be punished...this again comes down to honesty...Wahhhh, he lied to me.  SO WHAT!  These are grown men who tried to hurt other grown men.  James Harrison said thats what he  plays to do, injure others.  He wasn't suspended for that!  Imagine if he played for the Saints?  Jesus.  They'd owe Harrison an entire season and 2 2nd rd draft picks

Hey if you lied to your boss you would most likely get fired enough said.

3/22/12   |   kobe_lova   |   61014 respect

I really don't think anything should've happened with the Spygate stuff, and with this.... the punishments are what they are. Everyone, even G**dell, knew that this was happening, Saints just got the unlucky privilege of being called out specificially and first. Payton is taking the biggest hit financially, and I think maybe the team isn't. $500,000? Seems low, no? And, why not take the first round picks? Seems odd if you are bringing the hammer down.

3/22/12   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

How soon is too soon to oust Goodell

3/22/12   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

I think this is outrageous...Goodell thinks he's the damn supreme court...Williams and players should be punished...this again comes down to honesty...Wahhhh, he lied to me.  SO WHAT!  These are grown men who tried to hurt other grown men.  James Harrison said thats what he  plays to do, injure others.  He wasn't suspended for that!  Imagine if he played for the Saints?  Jesus.  They'd owe Harrison an entire season and 2 2nd rd draft picks

3/21/12   |   Dan_B   |   1067 respect

Just to play devil's advocate for a second (not saying I necessarily agree with what I'm about to write) -- but the flip side of the argument is that these sorts of bounty systems happen all the time, everywhere, from high school to college to the NFL. I played football, and while we didn't have specific tangible bounty rewards, it was all pretty implicit. Now, I completely understand the idea that you need to set an example of someone, so hopefully this stops happening. However, I kind of see this like the retaliation problem in sports. Only the guy the ref sees gets punished, creating an uneven playing field, even though both teams (or in this case, inevitably more than one team) was doing the same thing. 

3/21/12   |   Pat   |   5222 respect

Jess wrote:
I can't remember what the fines were in SpyGate, but the fact that Sean Payton is suspended withOUT pay - I think I heard that equates $6m of his salary...that, on top of the $500k to the team (which seems meager) ends up being pretty hefty, financially.

Yes, true. Belichick was fined $500,000 and the Patriots were fined $250,000 for a total of $750,000.

So yeah, Payton's punishment is pretty huge. I didn't even factor that in, good call.

3/21/12   |   Debi_L   |   11705 respect

Like others, I knew this was going to be a big hit on Williams, and i'm glad to see it.  Like George, I think he should be banned from the NFL, if not any competitive sports in general, given his penchant for wanting to see players injured.  Payton deserves his punishment as well, and I hope he isn't able to make any kind of lucrative deals to earn more money, such as working for ESPN.

The punishment needs to be felt.  All too often these guys get ousted from one position and go on to make even more money elsewhere.  That's wrong.

3/21/12   |   Jess   |   34268 respect

I can't remember what the fines were in SpyGate, but the fact that Sean Payton is suspended withOUT pay - I think I heard that equates $6m of his salary...that, on top of the $500k to the team (which seems meager) ends up being pretty hefty, financially.

3/21/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

I am completely disgusted by this whole scandal.  But I must say, that I believe the punishment fits the crime.  Williams should not be allowed to return to the NFL, given that testimony was given from players at each of his coaching stops stating he ran a bounty system.  This tells me that Payton had to have knowledge of this PRIOR TO bringing him in (and coming out of his pocket to increase Williams' salary) as the defensive coordinator.  It brings me to a term used by the NCAA: failure to maintain institutional control.  He knew and did nothing to prevent it. Evil triumphs when the good do nothing. I'm sure there are other teams that may have been doing something like this, but this should discourage them from doing it.

3/21/12   |   Scott   |   51812 respect

Once it came out that the NFL asked the Saints to stop the program in 2009 and they didn't, you knew Goodell was going to come down hard.  I didn't expect this type of punishment but I'm not really surprised given Goodell's history when it comes to laying down the law