MLB, Ryan Braun

Should Ryan Braun Lose His MVP Award?

12/14/11 in MLB   |   Murphy24   |   278 respect

At 28, Ryan Braun was supposed to be a leader of baseball’s young stars, free from the cloud of suspicion that haunted the great hitters of the steroid era. That makes Braun’s failed drug test, triggered by enormous amounts of artificial testosterone in his system, both shocking and disappointing. Cynics, of course, will point out that Alex Rodriguez held a similar title before he was busted for steroids, but Braun’s failed test raises a number of uniquely polarizing questions.

For failing the random test during the playoffs, Braun is set to receive a 50 game suspension at the start of next season. Braun’s camp is appealing the suspension, but it is unlikely to be overturned. Many fans and baseball insiders are calling for Braun to make even larger concessions, should the appeal fall flat. Specifically, many hope that he will be forced to return the award

Sure, there is no historical precedent for a player being forced to return an MVP award, but there is also no precedent for a player being busted before they have even received the physical trophy.  People calling for Braun to give up the award are adamant that he won because he cheated, and feel that MLB has an opportunity to make a strong statement about its drug program. On the other hand, if Braun loses the MVP, shouldn’t Barry Bonds lose any of the awards he won from 2001-2004? Also, Braun failed a postseason drug test, and we are actively reminded every year that the MVP is a regular-season award.

What do you feel baseball’s response to Braun should be? How do you think we should feel as fans? How should MLB respond?

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12/16/11   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

Perhaps to some.  But when they do it on the field under the Millerdome next season he will get a very warm ovation.

12/16/11   |   Murphy24   |   278 respect

If it isn't rescinded, It will be really awkward when they present him with the actual award now...

12/15/11   |   Scott   |   53571 respect

Pat wrote:
He won't, and he shouldn't.

If you take away Braun's MVP, you have to start stripping MVP's away from a LOT of other guys. Canseco, Caminiti, McGwire, A-Rod... the list goes on and on. While we're at it, let's also take some Cy Young awards away from Eric Gagne and Roger Clemens.

Next question... who do we give the awards to? Really, we don't know, because the 2nd place guy might have been dirty too. Just because we don't know he's dirty, doesn't mean we know he's clean.

This is a slippery slope, and there's no precedent whatsoever for taking it away. Suspend him, but don't take away the MVP.

The only reason why I could see the BWAA stripping Braun is because he's actually the first MVP to test positive for a banned substance just weeks after receiving the award.  The BWAA takes a hard-line stance on "juicers" when they vote for the Hall of Fame and if they really wanted to make a statement, I could see where they could make an example out of Braun.

That said, I agree with your sentiment that at this point, we dont know if the guys who finished behind Braun are any cleaner.  Athletes continue to try and find ways to get an advantage and when guys like Braun get busted, it's proof that the more things change the more they stay the same

12/15/11   |   Jeff_P   |   19891 respect

he SHOULDNT have won MVP anyways........KEMP had the better season, and NO WAY they strip him of it.......and as far as suspension, MLB BETTER give him the 50 games, otherwise WHY DO ANY TESTING..........i give a rats ass about his SQUEAKY CLEAN IMAGE.................you popped a  banned substance......YOU DO THE CRIME......NOW DO THE TIME......TAKE IT LIKE A MAN.......AND I DONT MEAN ( WO )-MAN BRAUNIE................

12/15/11   |   ML31   |   3675 respect

It's ridiculous this question is even being asked.  Of course the award shouldn't be taken away.  That's madness.  Come on...  Should Doc Ellis get his no-hitter removed from the books because he was high on acid when he threw it?

12/15/11   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

Pat wrote:
He won't, and he shouldn't.

If you take away Braun's MVP, you have to start stripping MVP's away from a LOT of other guys. Canseco, Caminiti, McGwire, A-Rod... the list goes on and on. While we're at it, let's also take some Cy Young awards away from Eric Gagne and Roger Clemens.

Next question... who do we give the awards to? Really, we don't know, because the 2nd place guy might have been dirty too. Just because we don't know he's dirty, doesn't mean we know he's clean.

This is a slippery slope, and there's no precedent whatsoever for taking it away. Suspend him, but don't take away the MVP.

Well said. Once you start doing that you set a precedent to go back through every award and take it from those who were caught cheating. Then once you do that, then they'd want to take awards from the alleged cheaters.  If it stands as it is now, give him his 50 game suspension and move on. 

12/15/11   |   Pat   |   5232 respect

He won't, and he shouldn't.

If you take away Braun's MVP, you have to start stripping MVP's away from a LOT of other guys. Canseco, Caminiti, McGwire, A-Rod... the list goes on and on. While we're at it, let's also take some Cy Young awards away from Eric Gagne and Roger Clemens.

Next question... who do we give the awards to? Really, we don't know, because the 2nd place guy might have been dirty too. Just because we don't know he's dirty, doesn't mean we know he's clean.

This is a slippery slope, and there's no precedent whatsoever for taking it away. Suspend him, but don't take away the MVP.

12/15/11   |   Yosefederation   |   111 respect

Scott wrote:
Unless the Baseball Writers Association of America decides to strip Braun of the award, Major League Baseball has no legs to stand on since they dont actually hand out the award.  Personally, I think the writers should re-vote since there is "new information" in play.  If he happens to finish first in the balloting again, he should get to keep it. 

He should give up the MVP on his own, thus saving face to a small degree imo. Before anyone responds, yes I realize this is highly unlikely.

12/15/11   |   SBL256   |   5 respect

He claims the test was wrong.  Think of it this way.... the company you work for requires you to take random drug tests and you eat a bunch of poppie seed muffins one night after drinking a few beers.  The next day you are made to fill the cup and it comes back that you are positive for heroin.  If your fate was in the hands of the average "Joe Fan", you'd be immediately fired and have to prove your innocence at a later time, with an attorney you couldn't afford and then not get your job back, settling for a settlement instead.

That is what all the knee jerk responses to this are...... uninformed responses based on a test that hasn't been finalized, only leaked to the media.  Let the man and his agent and doctor respond to this and let it play out its course.  If  he's found unquestionably guilty, then the BWAA needs to pull his award.

We all want to hang everyone without due process and based on inuendo and press leaks.  Chill out folks, let the process work before you hang someone out to dry......... it could be you at work if we keep testing everyone for everything.

12/14/11   |   Scott   |   53571 respect

Unless the Baseball Writers Association of America decides to strip Braun of the award, Major League Baseball has no legs to stand on since they dont actually hand out the award.  Personally, I think the writers should re-vote since there is "new information" in play.  If he happens to finish first in the balloting again, he should get to keep it. 

12/14/11   |   RaiderSteeler15   |   21423 respect

He cheated so he should lose his award...  Cheaters never win...