Stanley Cup Finals Game Two - Open Game Thread | NHL | Detroit Red Wings

0	do they REALLY have to say crosby's name every 2 seconds, even when he's not on the ice??? and do they REALLY need HIM to say that this is the Stanley Cup Finals on VERSUS??

5/26/08

0	Already 2-0! Somewhere Gary Bettman is crying.

5/26/08

0	VERSUS thought process... and Detroit scores! Quick, focus the camera on Crosby, let's see what he is up to!

5/26/08

0	actually what i was referring to was directly after holmstrom's goal. they shifted the camera to crosby SITTING ON THE BENCH DIRECTLY after the goal. i don't think i have ever seen that but i agree with you haha

5/26/08

0	You think VS is Crosby centric? Wait till NBC takes over.

5/26/08

0	someone tell me how detroit kept the puck in the zone???

5/26/08

0	Eddie O. "He tryed putting him into the penalty box without opening the door!" Booooooo...

5/26/08

0	you talking about the closeup of crosby holding whoever's stick that was (while they were talking about how good he is, of course)?

5/26/08

1	why doesn't malone get 2 for a late hit??? the puck was nowhere near there

5/26/08

0	(Edited by ML31) I'm telling you.... The Pens had a very easy trip to the Finals. None of their opponents in any round was even close to the level of the Wings. They are running out of time to figure out how to attack the Wings.

5/26/08

0	Filppula owns you all.

5/26/08

0	and roberts gets away with another cheap shot...he deserves to be suspended for a game

5/26/08

0	Anyone notice those stupid Crazy Fox commercials have a DIFFERENT URL on the bottom every single commercial?

5/26/08

1	the pens are the whinniest team in the league, led by their coach, micheal (or as chris simpson reffered to him as, "michelle") therrien and their "captain." neither knows the meaning of the word discipline. right now they are completely unorganized/un-united, and someone needs to step up both leader-wise and scoring-wise if they want a chance to be back in this

5/26/08

Crackersex

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nyrangers wrote:

the pens are the whinniest team in the league, led by their coach, micheal (or as chris simpson reffered to him as, "michelle") therrien and their "captain." neither knows the meaning of the word discipline. right now they are completely unorganized/un-united, and someone needs to step up both leader-wise and scoring-wise if they want a chance to be back in this

and gettin their butts whopped in the meantime!

5/26/08

0	did therrien TELL his players to go after franzen's post-concussion head???

5/26/08

0	And now the Pens start showing how "tough" they are. When it is really just frustration at getting their collective rears kicked all over the ice these two games. How about instead of acting like idiots, put a puck in the net?

5/26/08

0	therrien needs to be fined. he has no leash on his players, he is letting this get out of control. repeated shots to the head of franzed, obviously targeting him...cheap shots galore. hey pittsburgh, quit being a bunch of spazzy little minor-leaguers and put a puck in the net!!! series: 2-0 DET

5/26/08

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nyrangers wrote:

therrien needs to be fined. he has no leash on his players, he is letting this get out of control. repeated shots to the head of franzed, obviously targeting him...cheap shots galore.

hey pittsburgh, quit being a bunch of spazzy little minor-leaguers and put a puck in the net!!!

series: 2-0 DET

This is hardly out of control. There has been a lot worse in games past. Yes, the left on Franzen was on the cheap side. But it was hardly epidemic. Also, the Pens aren't the only team that targets players injuries in the post season. Sadly, they ALL do it. That is why injures are kept as secret as possible.
And besides, the Wings have the ultimate comeback for whatever the Pens do. Look at the scoreboard.

5/26/08

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the pens are just a bunch of immature kids (both literaly and figuratively) who can't handle a loss. this same stuff even happened when they were up 3-0 against the rangers and about to lose game 4 when they were down 3-0. most notable was 2 consecutive slew-foots by Evgeni Malkin on the SAME PLAYER (paul mara) in the final minutes. the pens really are bush league, and it really is sickening, ecspecially considering how they are the "face" of the NHL according to bettman

5/26/08

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nyrangers wrote:

the pens are just a bunch of immature kids (both literaly and figuratively) who can't handle a loss. this same stuff even happened when they were up 3-0 against the rangers and about to lose game 4 when they were down 3-0. most notable was 2 consecutive slew-foots by Evgeni Malkin on the SAME PLAYER (paul mara) in the final minutes. the pens really are bush league, and it really is sickening, ecspecially considering how they are the "face" of the NHL according to bettman

Again, in my time watching the NHL, I have noticed that the losing team getting chippy late in a game is (unfortunately) standard operating procedure. It has to do with some kind of neanderthal idea about "sending a message". I don't know about others, but to me the best message to send is to score. Even if it is late in a game destined for a loss. It still shows some heart.

5/26/08

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ML31 wrote:

Again, in my time watching the NHL, I have noticed that the losing team getting chippy late in a game is (unfortunately) standard operating procedure. It has to do with some kind of neanderthal idea about "sending a message". I don't know about others, but to me the best message to send is to score. Even if it is late in a game destined for a loss. It still shows some heart.

i know games usually get a little ugly at the end of a game when one team is dominating and one team is up by 3+ goals. but the pens aren't trying to send a message, as you say- they are just taking cheap shots like a bunch of 5-year olds who aren't getting their way. i don't mind a bunch of pushing and shoving by the losing team, but the pens are just showing fustration and some of them aren't even playing hockey.

5/26/08

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nyrangers wrote:

i know games usually get a little ugly at the end of a game when one team is dominating and one team is up by 3+ goals. but the pens aren't trying to send a message, as you say- they are just taking cheap shots like a bunch of 5-year olds who aren't getting their way. i don't mind a bunch of pushing and shoving by the losing team, but the pens are just showing fustration and some of them aren't even playing hockey.

I don't know. Last year the Ducks made more cheap shots in one period than I saw from the Pens this game.

5/26/08

0	Well I hope every Crosby hater is happy after tonight's game. I'm not saying the Pens lost solely based on officiating, but the Pens got called for crap continually, while the Wings did the SAME THING, and weren't called for jack s***! Either call the penalties both ways, or get new officials who will!

5/26/08

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nyrangers wrote:

i know games usually get a little ugly at the end of a game when one team is dominating and one team is up by 3+ goals. but the pens aren't trying to send a message, as you say- they are just taking cheap shots like a bunch of 5-year olds who aren't getting their way. i don't mind a bunch of pushing and shoving by the losing team, but the pens are just showing fustration and some of them aren't even playing hockey.

Any hockey fan with a brain can see the Red Wings got away with murder tonight.

5/26/08

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kramer wrote:

Any hockey fan with a brain can see the Red Wings got away with murder tonight.

I disagree with your opinion on the officiating- i thought they did a good job, keeping it clean towards the end of the game. for example, right after the whistle, whitney took a shot to franzen's face. given, it wasn't vicous, but it was clearly intentional in a game that was virtually over. there were also a few instances where the pens could have been called for other shots, such as malone hitting zetterberg several seconds after the whistle blew completely away from the play, as well as roberts' punch to franzen's face.

let's be real- every single playoff game has had *questionable* officiating. in my opinion, the pens got the behefit of the calls in their games overall. regardless, most weren't game changing. just like this game- the pens would have lost this game even if they got the benefit of the calls.

the pens made no attempt to comeback in the 3rd period- sure they were down 3-0, but the game wasn't over. many of the pens players were most focused on sending a message, or in some cases, trying to injure some of the wings

i know you are fustrated that your team is down 2-0 and has been outscored 7-0, but questioning the refs would be hypocritical in a sense, not nessesarily on your part personally, but because after most ranger and flyers fans questioned the officiating, pens fans tossed that argument aside claiming that the pens just dominated them. just as Therrien bashed Tom Renney, the Rangers coach, for claiming that Malkin and Crosby dove, and for bashing him when he said that he thought the officiating was poor, these are his excuses when his team loses (saying osgood dove and the wings "obstructed" the pens throughout the game)

5/26/08

recruitgivans

0	kramer wrote: Any hockey fan with a brain can see the Red Wings got away with murder tonight. well.......you did say hockey fan.....

5/27/08

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nyrangers wrote:

I disagree with your opinion on the officiating- i thought they did a good job, keeping it clean towards the end of the game. for example, right after the whistle, whitney took a shot to franzen's face. given, it wasn't vicous, but it was clearly intentional in a game that was virtually over. there were also a few instances where the pens could have been called for other shots, such as malone hitting zetterberg several seconds after the whistle blew completely away from the play, as well as roberts' punch to franzen's face.

let's be real- every single playoff game has had *questionable* officiating. in my opinion, the pens got the behefit of the calls in their games overall. regardless, most weren't game changing. just like this game- the pens would have lost this game even if they got the benefit of the calls.

the pens made no attempt to comeback in the 3rd period- sure they were down 3-0, but the game wasn't over. many of the pens players were most focused on sending a message, or in some cases, trying to injure some of the wings

i know you are fustrated that your team is down 2-0 and has been outscored 7-0, but questioning the refs would be hypocritical in a sense, not nessesarily on your part personally, but because after most ranger and flyers fans questioned the officiating, pens fans tossed that argument aside claiming that the pens just dominated them. just as Therrien bashed Tom Renney, the Rangers coach, for claiming that Malkin and Crosby dove, and for bashing him when he said that he thought the officiating was poor, these are his excuses when his team loses (saying osgood dove and the wings "obstructed" the pens throughout the game)

Let's be real? Okay, here's what happened in tonight's game. The Pens got called for all sorts of penalties, and when the Red Wings pulled the same thing, nothing was called. You know why everybody thinks that kind of officiating is fair? I'll tell you the one and only reason. People love to hate Sidney Crosby and try to say he gets all kind of special treatment. HOWEVER, now that it's his team that got screwed over royally by officiating tonight, that's a-okay with fans of every other team in the NHL. So go ahead, keep thinking these calls were "fair." You either call the same penalties BOTH WAYS, or you don't call them at all. Don't let one team get away with stuff and not the other, but of course every other team's fans will look the other way because this stuff is going against Crosby's team. Everyone will turn a blind eye and overlook it because they hate Sidney Crosby. Case closed, have a good night.

5/27/08

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kramer wrote:

Let's be real? Okay, here's what happened in tonight's game. The Pens got called for all sorts of penalties, and when the Red Wings pulled the same thing, nothing was called. You know why everybody thinks that kind of officiating is fair? I'll tell you the one and only reason. People love to hate Sidney Crosby and try to say he gets all kind of special treatment. HOWEVER, now that it's his team that got screwed over royally by officiating tonight, that's a-okay with fans of every other team in the NHL. So go ahead, keep thinking these calls were "fair." You either call the same penalties BOTH WAYS, or you don't call them at all. Don't let one team get away with stuff and not the other, but of course every other team's fans will look the other way because this stuff is going against Crosby's team. Everyone will turn a blind eye and overlook it because they hate Sidney Crosby. Case closed, have a good night.

you say the pens got royally screwed by officiating. i disagree- i say the game was evenly officiating. you are a pens fan. you KNOW that i am wrong. you see what's going on here? your bias is completely stopping you from seeing any other point of view. the calls either go both ways or in favor of one team. i'm sure you don't think that the pens got the benefit of the calls in any of their games, whilst the opposing fans disagree. personally, i thought the pens got the benefit of the calls in their series against the rangers- i am sure you thought that the series was evenly officiated. of course as a fan of the rangers i would think this, just like you are, but i am not going to run around saying that anyone who disagrees is wrong, and just because everyone hates new york is the reason why everyone overlooks this. go ahead, ask me about the series, i'd be glad to argue with you

yea sure, there were some questionable calls against pittsburgh and some calls that could have gone against detroit. but there were also calls that could have been made against pittsburgh and some calls that could have been REVERSED for detroit. you fail to see this as a fan of a team who got shutout twice in the finals.

hey, that's fine that you thought the refs favored the wings this game, but don't shove your opinion down mine and anyone else's throat and come up with some bulls*** that just because it is "crosby's team," fans of other teams overlook the fact that his team is being "royally screwed". maybe you are right and the pens got screwed over, but i saw it as fair, and that's what i will believe

5/27/08

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This game was not particuarly dirty. Just the usual small scrape at the end.
The officiating was not nearly as bad as it has been earlier in the playoffs. In the first two rounds in games in both conferences, players were getting cheap shotted, slashed, high sticked, and had too many men on the ice on many occasions that were never called.

I am pulling the Pens to win, but the fact is, they have simply been outplayed in both games. Fans of the losing teams often complain about officials. But when the Pens don't score one goal in two games, is it really the officiating that is why the Pens are down 2-0?

I get the feeling that even if the Pens bring their 'A' game to game 3, they will still lose. That is how good the Wings are. I don't like the Wings myself. But the truth hurts sometimes.

5/27/08

0	If you're gonna talk about that goal in Game 1, save it. Standing in front of Turco wasn't interference, putting the stick between Fleury's legs was interference. The 2 plays were completely different. They got it right in the finals, but screwed it up against Dallas.

5/27/08

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nyrangers wrote:

you say the pens got royally screwed by officiating. i disagree- i say the game was evenly officiating. you are a pens fan. you KNOW that i am wrong. you see what's going on here? your bias is completely stopping you from seeing any other point of view. the calls either go both ways or in favor of one team. i'm sure you don't think that the pens got the benefit of the calls in any of their games, whilst the opposing fans disagree. personally, i thought the pens got the benefit of the calls in their series against the rangers- i am sure you thought that the series was evenly officiated. of course as a fan of the rangers i would think this, just like you are, but i am not going to run around saying that anyone who disagrees is wrong, and just because everyone hates new york is the reason why everyone overlooks this. go ahead, ask me about the series, i'd be glad to argue with you

yea sure, there were some questionable calls against pittsburgh and some calls that could have gone against detroit. but there were also calls that could have been made against pittsburgh and some calls that could have been REVERSED for detroit. you fail to see this as a fan of a team who got shutout twice in the finals.

hey, that's fine that you thought the refs favored the wings this game, but don't shove your opinion down mine and anyone else's throat and come up with some bulls*** that just because it is "crosby's team," fans of other teams overlook the fact that his team is being "royally screwed". maybe you are right and the pens got screwed over, but i saw it as fair, and that's what i will believe

Call it what you want, but the bottom line is what I said, that people despise Crosby, and talk all sorts of s*** about him, and say he gets all this special treatment, which is complete bulls***. Now it's a "fair" game because the Pens got screwed over when the Wings could do no wrong in the eyes of the referees. Think what you want, but you know damn well it's true. People are going to continue to look the other way if it means Crosby doesn't get that "special treatment" which was never there to begin with. I love how you had the nerve to say it's hypocritical for the Pens to talk about the refs cheating, but you know what? It's hypocritical for every fan in the NHL to say that last night's game was called fairly. That's the hatred for Sidney Crosby shining through, and that's all it is.

5/27/08

0	Wow. A Pens fan whining about how the Pens got screwed. And a Wings fan doing the same. Imagine that.

5/28/08

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kramer wrote:

Call it what you want, but the bottom line is what I said, that people despise Crosby, and talk all sorts of s*** about him, and say he gets all this special treatment, which is complete bulls***. Now it's a "fair" game because the Pens got screwed over when the Wings could do no wrong in the eyes of the referees. Think what you want, but you know damn well it's true. People are going to continue to look the other way if it means Crosby doesn't get that "special treatment" which was never there to begin with. I love how you had the nerve to say it's hypocritical for the Pens to talk about the refs cheating, but you know what? It's hypocritical for every fan in the NHL to say that last night's game was called fairly. That's the hatred for Sidney Crosby shining through, and that's all it is.

you know what, it's pointless arguing with you. obviously, you are not going to see any other point of view.

i will agree with you on one thing, however. there is hate for crosby. want to know why? he is constantly shoved down our throats. he is proclaimed as the greatest thing to happen since sliced bread. he was promoted since he was 16, and the trend continues. he is talked about more than everything else in the NHL, COMBINED. he is all you hear about...instead of talking to the entire pens team, they single out crosby and ask his thoughts about the game or about his team or whatever. plus the pens are promoted more than any team in the NHL because of him. ALSO, every hockey analyst loves him. on VERSUS, they always comment when he is on the ice, pointing out what he is doing right. he is never pointed out for doing anything wrong, nor is he blamed for anything. for example, despite his team not scoring a goal in this series, it is malkin, sykora, and hossa who are being blamed, not crosby. quite frankly, all this is sickening.

THESE are the reasons why the non-pens fan despises crosby. i hope you understand, obviously it doesn't bother you that your team is getting more attention, and who could blame you?

regardless of the hate towards him, i still think that this series has been evenly officiated. by even, i mean that each team has gotten screwed over equally with bad/questionable calls. say what you want, but you are not going to change my opinion

by the way, hypocrital was a bad choice of word, and i apologize. "ironic" would be a much better choice. before, it was the pens bashing the fans of the teams they beat for accusing the officials of reffing unfair games. now, it is the penguins fans complaing about the refs

whew bedtime

5/28/08

Jess

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I'm not a Pens fan and I have no hate for Crosby. I get annoyed with the constant attention that he gets but I also understand that he's a great draw for the casual fan - something that the NHL desperately needs.

I do get frustrated that players just as good or even better don't get the hype because they're not a household name outside of true NHL fans, but I do see the other side of it too. All the hype surrounding Crosby and the Pens right now is a "necessary evil" for the NHL and this series when it comes to drawing in fans.

(I quote the term because I don't think the word evil is a good word to use but you get the gist)

All of that said, being a fan of neither team I've definitely seen some missed calls on both teams and some poor calls on both teams. It happens in every series. Sometimes it ticks me off that they have to "even things up" - one team taking real penalties and the other getting called to make sure things are "fair", but honestly I haven't seen much of that this series yet.

5/28/08