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1/29/09
Stephon Marbury On The Celtics Would Be Much Like Randy Moss On The Patriots
Will Boston Be Getting Another Randy Moss in Stephon Marbury?
Stephon Marbury has taken a lot of criticism and heat during his tenure with the New York Knicks and I'll admit that he is not completely innocent.

However, in reality Marbury is mainly getting criticized for accepting a contract to get paid like a franchise player when he simply isn’t one.

Do you know how many players have gotten paid to be the so called "franchise" player, but didn’t pan out to be one? From Juwan Howard to Steve Francis (aka The Franchise), there have been many players that fit this scenario.

It seems as though the main reason Marbury has been scrutinized more than most other overpaid players is that he was supposed to be franchise player of the New York Knicks.

If he was on a smaller market team such as the Charlotte Bobcats, I'm sure he wouldn't be nearly as scrutinized or hated.

Marbury was and still is a great player, but he is not a player who is going to take your franchise to the next level like a Dwyane Wade or Chris Paul.

He can’t lead a team by himself, but he would make a great secondary star like the Lakers' Lamar Odom or the Mavericks' Jason terry, if not better.

However, Isiah Thomas’s gut told him that he could turn Marbury into a franchise player like himself and traded for marbury.

Isiah Thomas’s gut also told him to overpay Jamal Crawford, Eddy Curry, Quinton Richardson, Malik Rose, and Jerome James, just to name a few.

I’m sorry Marbury haters, but it’s not his fault he was offered a max contract.

But besides the fact that he is overpaid, I can’t stand the whole “he is a cancer" argument and is directly related to the Knick's woes the past few years.

With Marbury in the lineup the last four years (not including this year), the Knicks were 88-151, with a .368 winning percentage.

Without Marbury in the lineup, the Knicks have gone 35-83, with a .296 winning percentage.

In reality, Marbury wasn’t the reason they were losing. The Knicks' roster was filled with overpaid underachievers who lacked heart and basketball IQ’s.

When I think of Marbury I am very much reminded of Randy Moss. Although Moss is a better player in his sport than Marbury, they have had similar careers.

Randy Moss just like Marbury had an All-Star career for the first half of his career, but never really won anything and ended up getting traded to a team desperate to win.

Once Moss went to the Raiders, and Marbury went to the Knicks, both these players over time supposedly became overpaid locker room cancers.

But in reality was it Moss’s fault that the Raiders were bad?

Was it Marbury’s fault the Knicks were bad?

Now I’m not giving these guys complete free passes because Marbury just like Moss has had some altercations which weren’t exactly professional in nature.

However, how come when Moss went to the Patriots he suddenly was a great player again who didn’t cause any trouble?

The truth is that he was the same player on the Raiders, but on the Patriots he was in a winning situation.

Not everyone can be like Mitch Richmond who played great without causing any trouble while wasting his career on those awful Sacramento King’s teams in the 90’s.

Some players need to be in a winning situation in order to be successful.



Just as Moss was formerly accused of losing his passion for the sport, Marbury is now being accused of the same thing.

However, it simply is not true.

Marbury hasn’t lost his passion whatsoever and if he had lost his passion then he would have never been accused of being a team cancer in the first place.

If you look at his past altercations just like Moss’s altercations, they all boil down to the fact they were losing.

All Marbury ever wanted to do was win and that’s why he wants to go to Boston just like Moss wanted to go to the Patriots.

At the time before Moss was traded, he repeatedly said he just wants to win a Super Bowl.

However, pundits believed he would be a locker room “cancer” and would make the Patriots worse.

Marbury recently said “I just want to go somewhere where I will be able to win a championship. I want to put myself is a situation where I’m playing with guys that are all on the same page and all have one goal—to win a championship. And that’s the same thing I’ve been thinking about and talking about since I came to New York.”

It’s obvious that Marbury just wants to win. Why else would his preferred destination be the Celtics?

Marbury seems like he has a chip on his shoulder just like Moss did, and he wants more than anything to prove all his critics wrong.

I have no doubt that if Marbury lands with the Celtics this year, he won’t be a problem, but rather be an asset like Moss was to the Patriots.

The problem is that the Knicks don’t want this to happen.

The Knicks organization is at complete fault for what has happened this year.

Coach Mike D'Antoni promised Marbury that he would get a chance to prove himself this year. Marbury worked hard, kept quiet, and played hard in the preseason.

However, when the season started, suddenly Marbury, who would probably be their most talented player if he played, was told the Knicks were moving in a different direction.

If the Knicks are moving in a different direction, why won’t they let Marbury go somewhere else and play?

I don’t believe that you can use the excuse that Marbury is greedy and won't give up enough money. Marbury has already agreed to take less money to have his contract  bought out when he shouldn’t even have to in the first place.

When a player gets his contract bought out because his team doesn’t want to use him, why should the player have to give any money back?

This isn’t a situation like Sam Cassel's last year where he wanted out of L.A.. Marbury never said he wanted out of New York.

The Knicks were the ones who made it clear they were moving in a different direction and Marbury wouldn't be part of their plans. If so, why won’t they trade him, waive him, or buy him out already?

Honestly, I think they are secretly afraid that Marbury is going to sign with the Celtics and win a title this year, and ultimately get the last laugh.

If a buyout does occur, I won’t be surprised if he does.

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1/29/09
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If true, the only way this has a chance of working is if Marbury understands and fully accepts that he will be a role player.  His job will be to backup both Rajon Rondo and Paul Pierce.  If he expects to play 40+ minutes a night and be the main guy on a team with Rondo, Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, then Marbury is in for a rude awakening.  This "relationship" will be over before the playoffs role around.

1/29/09
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If true, the only way this has a chance of working is if Marbury understands and fully accepts that he will be a role player.  His job will be to backup both Rajon Rondo and Paul Pierce.  If he expects to play 40+ minutes a night and be the main guy on a team with Rondo, Pierce, Ray Allen and Kevin Garnett, then Marbury is in for a rude awakening.  This "relationship" will be over before the playoffs role around.

1/29/09
2
Is Boston becoming the Raiders East?

1/29/09
4
nice arguement but if starbury is a good as stated before, then why did he bring down the phoenix suns franchise before the knicks?

1/29/09
3
primo wrote:
nice arguement but if starbury is a good as stated before, then why did he bring down the phoenix suns franchise before the knicks?
 ...... and the Minnesota Timberwolves (he just couldn't be the second highest paid player on a team with KG), and the New Jersey Nets.  Lets face it..... Starbury has been a problem his entire career regardless of how much money he makes or isn't making.

1/29/09
1
primo wrote:
nice arguement but if starbury is a good as stated before, then why did he bring down the phoenix suns franchise before the knicks?
He never did that. The Suns weren't good before they got him.  In one of his seasons with the team he took them to the playoffs and almost beat the Spurs in the first round, who went on to win the title that year.

1/29/09
0
arihoring1 wrote:
He never did that. The Suns weren't good before they got him.  In one of his seasons with the team he took them to the playoffs and almost beat the Spurs in the first round, who went on to win the title that year.
 .... and then he was let-go so the team could move in a different direction with Steve Nash playing in Marbury's old spot.  The Nets traded Marbury for an aging Jason Kidd and the Suns only wanted him for the 2 or 3 seasons because they could get rid of him faster than they could get rid of Kidd.

1/29/09
0
beerstudk wrote:
 .... and then he was let-go so the team could move in a different direction with Steve Nash playing in Marbury's old spot.  The Nets traded Marbury for an aging Jason Kidd and the Suns only wanted him for the 2 or 3 seasons because they could get rid of him faster than they could get rid of Kidd.
It took much more than adding Steve Nash and dropping Marbury to turn the Suns around.  D'Antoni's system came in, Leandro Barbosa got the playing time to develop, Amare Stoudemire came back, Joe Johnson got the playing time to develop, and then the Suns brought in Nash.  The Suns needed a PG to make the system work, but in no way did it have to be Nash.  The Suns made Nash, not the other way around.  Hell, even Chris Duhon is putting up 13 points and 8 asists a game under D'Antoni and Duhon is nothing more than a nice backup.

1/29/09
0
To paraphrase The Who's "Won't Get Fooled Again".......

Meet the new Moss....same as the old Moss.............

1/29/09
0
Selfish basketball players are harder to avoid & play "keep away" from than football players, especially if the selfish b-baller is a point guard.     Meaning, Marbury would be involved in virtually 100% of the plays (easily into the 90 %'s), whereas a WR basically sees the ball maybe 20% of the time.    

If Marbury has truly changed (which I cast my vote as 10-1 against), and accepts the fact that he's simply not as good as he used to be, and that the team is truly more important, and his 'goals' should be 8 ppg & 4 apg, then he could do OK.      Let's face it, back in Minnesota, he thought he was 'the man', instead of Garnett - could that happen again ?

However, I just don't see where the 'upside' for Boston to have him, outweighs the potential 'downside'.

They have Rondo playing great, Cassell to try & get some minutes, and House has been playing great.

Imagine you're Rajon Rondo, and even though you're having a career year, playing almost as well as any PG in the conference...........yet your team keeps going out and getting (or trying to get) additional point guards.    What's his confidence level at now ??????????????????

1/29/09
0
There's no way this is a good idea.  Even if he straightens up for the rests of the season and rides the C's coattails to his first ring, he'll go back to being the same old team cancer next season.

This guy is a chump and has been since he came into the league.  Other than some catastrophic injury, why would the Celtics disrupt the good thing they have going by adding this distraction?

1/29/09
0
(Edited by str8ballin_40)
Keeter wrote:
Selfish basketball players are harder to avoid & play "keep away" from than football players, especially if the selfish b-baller is a point guard.     Meaning, Marbury would be involved in virtually 100% of the plays (easily into the 90 %'s), whereas a WR basically sees the ball maybe 20% of the time.    

If Marbury has truly changed (which I cast my vote as 10-1 against), and accepts the fact that he's simply not as good as he used to be, and that the team is truly more important, and his 'goals' should be 8 ppg & 4 apg, then he could do OK.      Let's face it, back in Minnesota, he thought he was 'the man', instead of Garnett - could that happen again ?

However, I just don't see where the 'upside' for Boston to have him, outweighs the potential 'downside'.

They have Rondo playing great, Cassell to try & get some minutes, and House has been playing great.

Imagine you're Rajon Rondo, and even though you're having a career year, playing almost as well as any PG in the conference...........yet your team keeps going out and getting (or trying to get) additional point guards.    What's his confidence level at now ??????????????????

Hey bud I can understand your argument but don't you think that Marbury has been through nothing but humiliation with all the teams that he played for right? The game of basketball is about maturity and knowing when to make your move, well how do you learn when to make your move? Experience! now that Marbury has had all the bad experiences with all those teams, don't you think he has matured from them? I mean sitting and watching a team that you know you can definitely help just kills a player and he's been doing enough of that, so now I think he knows exactly what he has to do.. He's not asking to be the man, he's asking for a legitimate opportunity.. I'll take you up on your 10 to 1 odds on Marbury, to accept his role.. though I won't bet the Celtics will win it all..


1/29/09
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str8ballin_40 wrote:

Hey bud I can understand your argument but don't you think that Marbury has been through nothing but humiliation with all the teams that he played for right? The game of basketball is about maturity and knowing when to make your move, well how do you learn when to make your move? Experience! now that Marbury has had all the bad experiences with all those teams, don't you think he has matured from them? I mean sitting and watching a team that you know you can definitely help just kills a player and he's been doing enough of that, so now I think he knows exactly what he has to do.. He's not asking to be the man, he's asking for a legitimate opportunity.. I'll take you up on your 10 to 1 odds on Marbury, to accept his role.. though I won't bet the Celtics will win it all..

OK, I can see your point......but when has Marbury shown any maturity ?      Even now ??   And, do you think that any of the teams that he was on that had 'bad experiences', do you think there's remotely a chance that any of those 'bad experiences' were due to him ??

1/29/09
0
arihoring1 wrote:
He never did that. The Suns weren't good before they got him.  In one of his seasons with the team he took them to the playoffs and almost beat the Spurs in the first round, who went on to win the title that year.
true but they missed the playoffs in starbury's 1st season with the suns, and then they were the 8th seed and most of it was due to the ROY in Ameri Stoudamire. how many time did the Nets and Knicks make the playoffs following starbury's tenure?

1/29/09
0
primo wrote:
true but they missed the playoffs in starbury's 1st season with the suns, and then they were the 8th seed and most of it was due to the ROY in Ameri Stoudamire. how many time did the Nets and Knicks make the playoffs following starbury's tenure?
Name another star player the Knicks or nets had. Anyway it wasn't because of Stoudamire. Marbury was hands down their best player that year.

1/29/09
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Keeter wrote:
OK, I can see your point......but when has Marbury shown any maturity ?      Even now ??   And, do you think that any of the teams that he was on that had 'bad experiences', do you think there's remotely a chance that any of those 'bad experiences' were due to him ??

Marbury has been showing maturity, I know it was tainted by him choosing not play when they asked him if he wanted to, but we all know it was a stupid test on the Knicks' part, just like the Jet said "don't ask him if he wants to play, tell him that he's going to be playing" so yes too much built up for him to go good with the Knicks, in this situation its no longer about the game of basketball.. all he needs is the right opportunity, was practicing with the team and keeping his mouth shut just doing his thing before they said he can't even do that.. Yes he's had woes, he did his wrongs.. but its a time in his career to get over the childish realm and do what he has to.. yea the media is gonna ride him thinking they can break him, but he loves the game too much to be brought down.. he's down but not out..


1/29/09
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arihoring1 wrote:
Name another star player the Knicks or nets had. Anyway it wasn't because of Stoudamire. Marbury was hands down their best player that year.
Stoudamire gave them the missing piece that they were missing from the year before.  And the Nets had J-Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and Vince Carter. The Knicks on the other hand are another story.

1/29/09
0
marbury is not the randy moss of basketball but the T.O.  everywhere he goes he makes  a good or decent team trun bad !

1/29/09
0
HEY JACK AZZ MARBURY AND ROSE WERE SIGNED TO THOSE CRAPPY CONTRACTS WHEN WE TRADED FOR THEM.

1/29/09
0
primo wrote:
Stoudamire gave them the missing piece that they were missing from the year before.  And the Nets had J-Kidd, Richard Jefferson, and Vince Carter. The Knicks on the other hand are another story.
That is simply not true.

He never played with kidd, Vince Carter, and Jefferson.

He had Stoudamire for Stoudamire's rookie year and the next year he was injured.

1/29/09
0
(Edited by primo)
i know he never had kidd, carter, or jefferson. but a good point guard makes a team better. need evidence... chris paul in NO. Paul makes that team better and average players are somehow better than they actually are. starbury has not improved any of his teammate's play. 

starbury is average and isn't deserving of any of his accolades. he has a bad track record starting in MN to NJ to PHNX to NY and could happen if he takes his act to BOS. i'm sure KG is counting down the days

1/30/09
0
kantwistaye wrote:
It took much more than adding Steve Nash and dropping Marbury to turn the Suns around.  D'Antoni's system came in, Leandro Barbosa got the playing time to develop, Amare Stoudemire came back, Joe Johnson got the playing time to develop, and then the Suns brought in Nash.  The Suns needed a PG to make the system work, but in no way did it have to be Nash.  The Suns made Nash, not the other way around.  Hell, even Chris Duhon is putting up 13 points and 8 asists a game under D'Antoni and Duhon is nothing more than a nice backup.
 And Marbury is sitting on the end of the bench on D'Antoni's team.  I was just trying to make the point that, for the most part, people don't want Starbury around because he's a total d-bag.

1/30/09
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beerstudk wrote:
 And Marbury is sitting on the end of the bench on D'Antoni's team.  I was just trying to make the point that, for the most part, people don't want Starbury around because he's a total d-bag.
Fair enough.

 
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