Sunday Night Football Live Thread: Philadelphia Eagles vs New York Giants
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Can The Giants Even Things Up With The Eagles Tonight? [Sunday Night Football Live Thread]

12/13/09 in NFL   |   Pat   |   5233 respect

If the Giants win this game, they can pull into a tie with the Eagles and Cowboys for 1st place in the NFC East at 8-5. They're hosting the Eagles, and this game is arguably the biggest game of the season for the Giants. A win puts them right in the thick of the playoff hunt, both in the division and in the wild card race. If they lose, then the division is likely out of reach, and a wild card spot would be tough as well, with both the Packers and Cowboys standing in their way.

62% of FanIQ users picked the Eagles to win this one. You can catch it on NBC at 8:20 pm EST. If you're watching, chat it up with us right here, and as always, enjoy the game!
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12/16/09   |   Onegoodredhead2   |   9961 respect

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damn damn damn damn .........oh so frustrating.  Sorry to say Big Blue fans, that if this defense does not shape up, we won't make it this year.  That said, if they do, we can be a force still.  The Cowboys will lose 2 of their last 3 and maybe all 3 with the never know what your gonna get Skins.  Those Skins can really bring if they want to.  That said, the Giants should win at least 2 of their last 3 and if they are at top of their game can take down the mighty Vikings.  I have still not given up hope.  This offense can be potent.  Now they need to get special teams working on all cylinders, get a pass rush going, and get the D backs to do their damn jobs.  The last time I saw that many people out of position in a game, it was in pee wee preseason when I was like 9.  Somethings gotta change though on D especially if the G Men want to still make it.  I still see them getting one of those Wild Cards. 

when we used the spagnolo formation on defense we made the plays...we need to quit shuffling the defense and stick to whqt works.. osi and tuck to the right ,the other tw guys to the left,our 4 man defene with a 5th behind the left side,used to blitz or option coverage.tis works ..its worked all of 2007 and worked both times we implemented it on sunday..we caqnt keep shuffling our defense especially with so much inexperience in our secondary right now....we know what works the guys knows what works...now the DC needs to pay attention and use what works......We have many new and young rookies that are playing well,,but they are rookies,,there are going to be mistakes...eli was on the money,our receivers ust werent making the catches.....this is defiitely a transition year but considering the adversity i am still proud of our big blue! Its frustratng to all....we need a DC that listens to the team and goes with wht works!! gooooooo giants!! :)

12/16/09   |   Onegoodredhead2   |   9961 respect

Thinkaboutit wrote:

If you instill strong values in your children, they will use the failures of athletes as examples of what not to do in life.

You totally missed the reference to Vick's culture. I will never make an excuse for Vick's behavior. According to my values, dogfighting is wrong. According to Vick's values, it was the norm...it was an accepted part of his culture. Do a little bit of research on dogfighting in America. It's larger than Mike Vick. 

To your point, Mike Vick is now trying to be a survivor of his upbringing. He now understands the true negative consequences of his poor decisions.

i completely appreiate and respect yur point of view, however i did not miss the point of "vicks culture" thats like saying all poor people sghould continue to be poor because its embedded into their cultue..I just dont buy those excuss. e have the choice to change our dystiny, culture or not. Myparents wee absurers, so because it was embedded into my culture, passed down from generations, i should be one? Heck no! I choose the path to be even a kinder person because of it,and show that I have the strength and choice to break the cycle. I hope and pray michael understands how wrong his choices were. I really do, however i have found that many people say what they know the people want to hear.....I lefy home at 14, and continued on, finishing school,a year early, supported myself working after school, stayed out of trouble i cold have easily fell into,and used the excuse of my childhood and upbringing. I went on to put myself into an ivy league school and get an  education,became very successful in my field,help as many people i can by mentoring,when i was dxed with a dehibilitating neurological disease,and chose to help others through positive attitude and giving of myself,opposed to giving up and giving in I continue to give to our vets, the community,and help as many as i can becaus ei feel its our responcibility as a society to give back,no matter what class of people you have come from. Giving of yourself is the best gift you can give yourself and others. The feeling of elping somene is beyond words. And giving comes in many forms..it doesnt have to be monetary...there is much we can do. We have the power to make the difference! I respect your point of view and your passion and even your points!  god bless you!!

12/15/09   |   Thinkaboutit   |   46 respect

Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
We as parents certainly teach our children most their values. However, if you think that sports figures,and other people in the spot light do not influence our children, then you are a bit naive. Our children look up to their heros,and sports figures. How many times have you heard a child say"I want to bej ust like him/her when i grow up?"   Parents teach their children,then hope they make god decisions based on those teachings. Society influences our children as well. So you basically are saying "learned behavior" is his excuse? So all children who were beat should or will become abusers as well? We have the choice to follow what we know is wrong or the choice to over come...Its all how one approaches life..we can be victims or we can be survivors of our upbring!

If you instill strong values in your children, they will use the failures of athletes as examples of what not to do in life.

You totally missed the reference to Vick's culture. I will never make an excuse for Vick's behavior. According to my values, dogfighting is wrong. According to Vick's values, it was the norm...it was an accepted part of his culture. Do a little bit of research on dogfighting in America. It's larger than Mike Vick. 

To your point, Mike Vick is now trying to be a survivor of his upbringing. He now understands the true negative consequences of his poor decisions.

12/15/09   |   Onegoodredhead2   |   9961 respect

Thinkaboutit wrote:

Are you serious? First of all, as a parent, you shape the values by which your children will be defined. You should be the role model for your children, not Mike Vick and all the other athletes.
Secondly, the whole world knows that Mike Vick was wrong for any and all involvement he had in the mistreatment and death of those dogs. You, however, made a false statement by saying that, "Any one else would have been severely punished...." Mike Vick's sentence, including probation, was a bit over the top because they wanted to send a message that no one is above the law and that there are negative consequences for that type of behavior.

I do agree that Mike Vick did not mike a mistake when he decided to get involved in dog fighting. It's much bigger than that. When it's ingrained in your culture that it is an acceptable behavior, we're dealing with a much bigger animal...no pun intended.

Lastly, Andy Reid believes in second chances. The Eagles believe in not defining individuals by only the bad decisions they make in life.

We as parents certainly teach our children most their values. However, if you think that sports figures,and other people in the spot light do not influence our children, then you are a bit naive. Our children look up to their heros,and sports figures. How many times have you heard a child say"I want to bej ust like him/her when i grow up?"   Parents teach their children,then hope they make god decisions based on those teachings. Society influences our children as well. So you basically are saying "learned behavior" is his excuse? So all children who were beat should or will become abusers as well? We have the choice to follow what we know is wrong or the choice to over come...Its all how one approaches life..we can be victims or we can be survivors of our upbring!

12/15/09   |   Thinkaboutit   |   46 respect

Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
there is a HUGE difference between a mistakeand bad decisions! A mistake is when you do something once and learn from it...Choosing to beat dogs, kill them, starve them over and over for months ,probabl y years ,is NOT a mistake..Its malicious and awful! He is a grown man and knows the difference between right and wrong,and would probably still be doing it, had he not been caught. Do not confuse a mistake with really bad judgement! Is that the kind of message you want to send out to kids? Is that the kind of role model you want kids to look up to? Any one else would have been severly punished,not slapped on the hand for less than 2 years and given the chance to make more money than we will ever see in our lifetime! Shame on the Eagles org for sending out that message!

Are you serious? First of all, as a parent, you shape the values by which your children will be defined. You should be the role model for your children, not Mike Vick and all the other athletes.
Secondly, the whole world knows that Mike Vick was wrong for any and all involvement he had in the mistreatment and death of those dogs. You, however, made a false statement by saying that, "Any one else would have been severely punished...." Mike Vick's sentence, including probation, was a bit over the top because they wanted to send a message that no one is above the law and that there are negative consequences for that type of behavior.

I do agree that Mike Vick did not mike a mistake when he decided to get involved in dog fighting. It's much bigger than that. When it's ingrained in your culture that it is an acceptable behavior, we're dealing with a much bigger animal...no pun intended.

Lastly, Andy Reid believes in second chances. The Eagles believe in not defining individuals by only the bad decisions they make in life.

12/15/09   |   Onegoodredhead2   |   9961 respect

jxnsteelersfan wrote:
This is why I'm glad MAN doesn't have a heaven or hell for me. I'm thankful GOD understands MAN will make mistakes as long as he breathes. Most importantly, HE understands the need for forgiveness.  Congrats to you for being a perfect MAN, one whose never made a mistake. This has to be why you feel the need to hold this mistake over Vick's head forever.

there is a HUGE difference between a mistakeand bad decisions! A mistake is when you do something once and learn from it...Choosing to beat dogs, kill them, starve them over and over for months ,probabl y years ,is NOT a mistake..Its malicious and awful! He is a grown man and knows the difference between right and wrong,and would probably still be doing it, had he not been caught. Do not confuse a mistake with really bad judgement! Is that the kind of message you want to send out to kids? Is that the kind of role model you want kids to look up to? Any one else would have been severly punished,not slapped on the hand for less than 2 years and given the chance to make more money than we will ever see in our lifetime! Shame on the Eagles org for sending out that message!

12/14/09   |   jxnsteelersfan   |   75 respect

Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
hey any team that is desperate to give vick a job is well...desperate.......i guess you need a dog beating dog killer to get a chance of a ring...he is certainly old enough to know better...he is shameful and so are the eagls for hiring him...what little respect ihad for them is gone .the vick deal sealed that!!! that should disgust philly fans!

This is why I'm glad MAN doesn't have a heaven or hell for me. I'm thankful GOD understands MAN will make mistakes as long as he breathes. Most importantly, HE understands the need for forgiveness.  Congrats to you for being a perfect MAN, one whose never made a mistake. This has to be why you feel the need to hold this mistake over Vick's head forever.

12/14/09   |   jxnsteelersfan   |   75 respect

Drakesrake_77 wrote:
Sorry Superbleeder I was getting shamed so much I could barely read your post- lol...You're right I forgot about that one!!  

What a sore loser you are Onegoodred.  Frankly I am way more disgusted by all the self righteous a-holes on here who want to tell me how I should feel about Michael Vick.

 

12/14/09   |   Superbleeder   |   94 respect

Onegoodredhead2 wrote:
hey any team that is desperate to give vick a job is well...desperate.......i guess you need a dog beating dog killer to get a chance of a ring...he is certainly old enough to know better...he is shameful and so are the eagls for hiring him...what little respect ihad for them is gone .the vick deal sealed that!!! that should disgust philly fans!

Ya Vick is the reason we won not the fact you cant cover Desean Jackson or the fact you can hold onto the ball.  Its all Vick.

12/14/09   |   Drakesrake_77   |   82 respect

Sorry Superbleeder I was getting shamed so much I could barely read your post- lol...You're right I forgot about that one!!  

What a sore loser you are Onegoodred.  Frankly I am way more disgusted by all the self righteous a-holes on here who want to tell me how I should feel about Michael Vick.

12/14/09   |   Superbleeder   |   94 respect

Drakesrake_77 wrote:
Wow!  And I thought that Eagles fans would be the ones complaining about the officiating (obvious defensive holding that should have been called on that 3rd down pass to Celek in the End Zone, the fumble the Eagles recovered on the 30 yd line with time left on the clock at the end of the first half, an incomplete forward pass somehow ruled a fumble for a loss of about 7-8 yards, DeSean Jackson gets headbutted right in front of the refs-no call, very questionable late hit out of bounds call on Quentin Mikell) - either way, it's poor sportsmanship to complain about the refs after a loss (or a win-so shame on me).  Great game- great win for the Birds!  

Dont forget that OBVIOUS false start at the goal line.  Didnt matter in the end though because NOBODY can cover Action Jackson.

12/14/09   |   Onegoodredhead2   |   9961 respect

Drakesrake_77 wrote:
At the beginning of the year, if you told me that the Eagles would be 9-4 and leading the NFC East without Brian Westbrook, I would have said you were crazy!  So many players have really stepped up this year.  McCoy still needs to take care of the ball better and get north and south quicker, but how about Leonard Weaver?! This guy came out of nowhere to be a major factor late in the season.  What has taken them so long to get a true FB like Weaver is beyond me, but I'm very excited about what he can do to keep the ball moving- especially in short yardage/goal line situations. 

Is this possible-No Vick comments on here yet!?!??  I think he is just starting to return to his old form, and now defenses are scratching their heads trying to figure out what he's gonna do next- Reid seems to be opening the playbook for Vick more and more each game.  Early on it was a straight run every time, but what about that pass to Jackson tonight?? And last week against his old team!  Wow!  I don't know if the Eagles want to let him go next year or not.  Right now he looks like a steal at 5.1 million.  No doubt they will get a first round pick for him at the least.  Keep the pedal down McNabb & Reid and finish the regular season as NFC East Champs!  We'll worry about the playoffs when that time comes. 

hey any team that is desperate to give vick a job is well...desperate.......i guess you need a dog beating dog killer to get a chance of a ring...he is certainly old enough to know better...he is shameful and so are the eagls for hiring him...what little respect ihad for them is gone .the vick deal sealed that!!! that should disgust philly fans!

12/14/09   |   Onegoodredhead2   |   9961 respect

wow!! guess you missed the pass interference in theend zone 3-4 times and all the holding the eagles got away with......oh the head butt thing, where your player grandstanded if you watch the replay his hands were near him and he didnt make scontact..of course the didnt show the other angle....the booth made huge mistakes, they cluster F**ked many cals and it was chaos......Some of the worst officiating i have seen! But a win is a win......so there you have it.....

12/14/09   |   Drakesrake_77   |   82 respect

Wow!  And I thought that Eagles fans would be the ones complaining about the officiating (obvious defensive holding that should have been called on that 3rd down pass to Celek in the End Zone, the fumble the Eagles recovered on the 30 yd line with time left on the clock at the end of the first half, an incomplete forward pass somehow ruled a fumble for a loss of about 7-8 yards, DeSean Jackson gets headbutted right in front of the refs-no call, very questionable late hit out of bounds call on Quentin Mikell) - either way, it's poor sportsmanship to complain about the refs after a loss (or a win-so shame on me).  Great game- great win for the Birds!  

12/14/09   |   Onegoodredhead2   |   9961 respect

MrNFL wrote:
Wow, stupid reffing earlier, and now the Eagles just lot a FG because that isn't reviewable?  FAIL

awful officiating in this game
11 so many pass interference  not called, holding constantly,no called the booth reviews were selective..i think refs sgould start having to pay fines when they make bogus calls or miscalls that have impact on a game out come...If they have to pay, maybe they will pay better attention and do their jobs!!

12/14/09   |   Drakesrake_77   |   82 respect

(Edited by Drakesrake_77)

At the beginning of the year, if you told me that the Eagles would be 9-4 and leading the NFC East without Brian Westbrook, I would have said you were crazy!  So many players have really stepped up this year.  McCoy still needs to take care of the ball better and get north and south quicker, but how about Leonard Weaver?! This guy came out of nowhere to be a major factor late in the season.  What has taken them so long to get a true FB like Weaver is beyond me, but I'm very excited about what he can do to keep the ball moving- especially in short yardage/goal line situations. 

Is this possible-No Vick comments on here yet!?!??  I think he is just starting to return to his old form, and now defenses are scratching their heads trying to figure out what he's gonna do next- Reid seems to be opening the playbook for Vick more and more each game.  Early on it was a straight run every time, but what about that pass to Jackson tonight?? And last week against his old team!  Wow!  I don't know if the Eagles want to let him go next year or not.  Right now he looks like a steal at 5.1 million.  No doubt they will get a first round pick for him at the least.  Keep the pedal down McNabb & Reid and finish the regular season as NFC East Champs!  We'll worry about the playoffs when that time comes. 

12/14/09   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

MrNFL wrote:
Next week's SNF is...Panthers/Vikings???  Oh god, horrible Favre orgy coming up.  That's ONLY Favre, not anything appealing about that game.  They could have CIN/SD, PIT/GB, and they take MIN/CAR?  Ugh.

 Well they already moved the Steelers/Packers game to 4:15, so that's out.  I know they want to shove Favre down our throats, but isn't the flexible scheduling supposed to give us the BEST matchups for Sunday night?

12/14/09   |   MrNFL   |   175 respect

Next week's SNF is...Panthers/Vikings???  Oh god, horrible Favre orgy coming up.  That's ONLY Favre, not anything appealing about that game.  They could have CIN/SD, PIT/GB, and they take MIN/CAR?  Ugh.

12/13/09   |   brenda_s

 eagles win dammit

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Oh Andy! He did a little bunny hop there, how nice.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Desean Jackson with another 50 + yarder...wow.

12/13/09   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

 Holy crap, McNabb finds Jackson deep and he shows off a little bit, Eagles get the long TD right back.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Most pathetic attempt at tackling ever? I think so.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Umm, refs. That wasn't a catch, I don't care what you say.

12/13/09   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

MrNFL wrote:
Wow, stupid reffing earlier, and now the Eagles just lot a FG because that isn't reviewable?  FAIL

You mean that's not reviewable?

/Big 12 refs

12/13/09   |   MrNFL   |   175 respect

Wow, stupid reffing earlier, and now the Eagles just lot a FG because that isn't reviewable?  FAIL

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Wow, just a little ring around the rosey, and a TD.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Joe_L wrote:
He made up for it

That he did. Could've happened a minute earlier though.

12/13/09   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Come on Nicks, make that..

He made up for it

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Come on Nicks, make that..

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Just better to be lucky than good. Wow.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Jacobs fumble and returned for a TD 14-0. Early domination.

12/13/09   |   Thinkaboutit   |   46 respect

Thinkaboutit wrote:
Should be a great game. Giants win: 34-27...I hope.

Should be a great game. Giants win: 34-27...I hope.

12/13/09   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Well that was nice, quick, and easy.

Then the Giants respond with disappointing, careless, and pitiful and if that wasn't enough Jacob fumbles the ball and Eagles defense takes it in for 6.

12/13/09   |   lavabuster   |   30 respect

Jacobs Fumbles...Brown takes it in for a TD...14-0 Eagles..

12/13/09   |   lavabuster   |   30 respect

Beautiful 37 yard pass from Vick to Jackson sets up a very easy Eagles opening TD....7-0

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Well that was nice, quick, and easy.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

redsox1002003 wrote:
i figured minny/cincy would be here. yet we get yet another nfc east game. boring!

Yea, Minnie did just play last week though, I'm guessing back to back weeks on NBC wouldn't be really "fair" either.

12/13/09   |   redsox1002003   |   881 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
This would be a flex game, what other game would you expect? "Everybody" loves the NFC East, and the only other game considered would be Indy/Denver, being that SD/Dallas game was a national game anyways.

i figured minny/cincy would be here. yet we get yet another nfc east game. boring!

12/13/09   |   Thinkaboutit   |   46 respect

Should be a great game. Giants win: 34-27...I hope.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

redsox1002003 wrote:
what happened to the flex games?

This would be a flex game, what other game would you expect? "Everybody" loves the NFC East, and the only other game considered would be Indy/Denver, being that SD/Dallas game was a national game anyways.

12/13/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

I certainly hope the Giants win, only because it will make it a 3-way tie in an NFC East that isn't really all that good, or bad.

12/13/09   |   redsox1002003   |   881 respect

what happened to the flex games?