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10/27/08
Tampa Bay Rays Versus Philadelphia Phillies World Series Game 5 Live Thread
The Phillies Are In A Great Spot, We'll See What Great Expectations Do To Them
The Phillies find themselves in a tremendously good spot this evening in Game 5. Up 3-1 in the series, they send their playoff ace Cole Hamels to the mound at home to wrap up the World Series. For the Phillies, and Philadelphia, this championship is a long time coming. The last major Philly franchise in the city to bring a championship home was the 1983 76ers. That's a pretty huge drought for a city with teams in the 4 major sports (yes, I'm counting hockey).

But all that said, it'll be interesting to see how the Phillies respond to having this incredible expectation finally fully thrust upon them. Some teams respond well. Others don't.

There's also the added problem that the Rays have nothing to lose at this point, so they can try pretty much anything. And you know they'll do exactly that to get this series back to St. Petersburg. And make no mistake about it, if the Rays win this game, they likely won't have to face Hamels again except in a relief appearance. So this game might be more than just a simple lost opportunity for the Phils if they lose tonight.

Again, as was said before, Cole Hamels is starting for the Phils tonight. He'll be countered by Scott Kazmir who's pitching for the Rays. Kazmir had some control problems in Game 1, but still only gave up 3 earned runs in 6 innings. Aside from James Shields, he's definitely the best pitcher the Rays have to offer against Hamels.

As for this evening, FanIQ has finally switched sides with 56% of people saying Philly will win andclose the Series out. Which of course means the Rays will win.

Feel free to chat it up here or on the game page.
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10/27/08
7
I gotta put a reminder on my phone to go to taco bell..

10/27/08
1
Okay I hope a good pitching matchup with Hamels and Kazmir. Im going to take the Rays 2-0 win. Pressures on and I think they'll deliver.

10/27/08
0
Come on Phils!

10/27/08
0
Ryan Howard is right - Philly will go NUTS if the Phillies win.

10/27/08
3
Geez....Oates isn't looking so hot - more like Jimmy "Superfly" Snuka.

10/27/08
0
If they're like me, Great Expectations will put them to sleep. Never did finish that in high school.

10/27/08
3
Ryan wrote:
Ryan Howard is right - Philly will go NUTS if the Phillies win.

Every city goes nuts when they win the World Series, not just Philly.


10/27/08
1
Well, that was a quick first...

Kinda bummed I completely forgot all day to pick the Phillies on here; glad I remembered to put the real money on it though.

10/27/08
0
BestofChicago wrote:

Every city goes nuts when they win the World Series, not just Philly.

Agreed.

10/27/08
4
BestofChicago wrote:

Every city goes nuts when they win the World Series, not just Philly.

I think it might be a little different in Philly. They're ALREADY nuts.

10/27/08
1
Big first inning for the Phils!  Hopefully they can keep the pressure on.

10/27/08
7
I gotta put a reminder on my phone to go to taco bell..

10/27/08
1
Ahhhhh! I went to the store for some stuff and it's already 2-0! Ughh. Bad calls?

10/27/08
1
C'mon RAYS... this is your last chance!  Show em you can do it! 

10/27/08
1
Is Pat Burrell going to do anything this World Series?  I thought he'd try to milk a few more million from someone else by having a big series.....

10/27/08
0
what was Victorino thinking on that swing? It was above his head. Well helps us I guess can't complain.

10/27/08
0
OOOOOOOHHHHHHH so close! What-a-rip! Finally so offense. Longoria has to get it together now!

10/27/08
0
Finally 2-1. And both get a hit!

10/27/08
0
Wow....Pena and Longoria decided to show up. 

10/27/08
0
Nice turned DP. At least we got a run back.

10/27/08
0
Ryan wrote:
Wow....Pena and Longoria decided to show up. 
Put that together with how good Kazmir is at the moment...they might have a good chance still tonight.

10/27/08
0
Oh ****...I want my money back...now.

10/27/08
0
Owww. Please tell me he isn't coming back.

10/27/08
1
Chief_aka_James wrote:
Put that together with how good Kazmir is at the moment...they might have a good chance still tonight.
Even if Hamels is in the game, the Rays have an outstanding chance tonight. 

Here's hoping Hamels is OK.

10/27/08
2
Wow. McCarver is so stupid. Joe Buck " people start pulling the towels out"  He says "great night for towels." What an idiot.

10/27/08
0
Wow.  Can Utley stick it to Kazmir again?

10/27/08
0
Ryan wrote:
Wow.  Can Utley stick it to Kazmir again?
I say no, because of the wind. He probably will hit one deep though.

10/27/08
0
Kazmir is already at 87 pitches.  That ain't good......

10/27/08
0
Whew!

10/27/08
0

And they let him off the hook.  Speaking of hook, how much longer will Kazmir go?


10/27/08
0
Ryan wrote:
Kazmir is already at 87 pitches.  That ain't good......
meh, Kazmir for 4, Balfour has 1, and Price the last 4..

10/27/08
0
HAHAHAHAHA.

10/27/08
0
Ugh......not a good sign when Rollins is dropping fly balls.....

10/27/08
0
OK.  So how much longer are they going to play in the rain?  They have to play a full game, so will they wait it out or just keep playing?  Also, who does it favor if they have an hour delay?  I'd gotta say the Rays.

10/27/08
0
What a play by Utley!

10/27/08
0
MISSED HIMMMM!!!!! Ughhh. TIM WELKE AGAIN!

10/27/08
1
Ryan wrote:
Ugh......not a good sign when Rollins is dropping fly balls.....
But a better sign with the DP..

10/27/08
0
I think it might snow.

10/27/08
2
This World Series has tremendously cut into my work production.  I haven't gotten squat done at home in the last week. 

I had pretty much managed my FanIQ addiction, but now my Phillies addiction has flared up big time.  And it's causing a relapse in my FanIQ addiction.

10/27/08
0
Haha. Wow Chris Meyers, oh wait I think I gotta stop. I'm blocking someones view, when he's not even on camera.

10/27/08
0
Kazmir is gone. Balfour time.

10/27/08
0
Great at-bat by Burrell (about time).

103 pitches by Kazmir and didn't get them through five.  The Phils need to get one of these runs in!

10/27/08
2
Why isn't Joe in his recliner tonight?

Now he's on the douche-stool with Tim..

10/27/08
2
No Ryan, you're confused.. It's the Rays that need to get runs in there!  I can't believe they are still playin!  Did you see that shot of Kaz's cleats?  Couldn't even tell he had any they were so stuffed up with mud!  Ya know they don't wanna call the game.. but this is ridiculous!  They must be soaked thru to the skin!  all they need is soap *gasp*

10/27/08
2
This umping has been less than impressive.

10/27/08
1
CALL THE GAME! The infield looks like crap, and it's taking 30 minutes for half an inning.

10/27/08
3
Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: From Game 4, Fw: Fw: Re: From Game 3, Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: From Game 2, Fw: Fw: Fw: Re: From Game 1


"These Ump's Suck."

10/27/08
1
Delay this thing already.  This is a joke.

10/27/08
1
Rays 1... Phillies 2... Weather 42...

i wonder who's winning?

10/27/08
1
kantwistaye wrote:
Delay this thing already.  This is a joke.
no kidding. They need to put the tarp so that water can stop messing up the dirt. This is just making it unsafe to play. Not only is it rain, its very COLD rain. That makes things worse.

10/27/08
1
At this point I think they'd just delay it an hour or two.  Radar doesn't look good, though.

I agree that this is crazy.  Not fair for either team.

10/27/08
1
This home plate ump is less than stellar.  Of course, thats been the constant of this World Series.

10/27/08
1
Are you kidding me? All umpires suck in the WS.  I might have to protest this in front of Bud Selig's house. And the conditions are terrible.

10/27/08
0
The infield could have affected that play.

10/27/08
1
It might be another 4:00 am thriller! Woohoo! And if someone gets hurt, oh BOY!

10/27/08
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10/27/08
0
That'll be one dirty uniform!

10/27/08
0
Rain is intensifying. It should update on this screen every 5 minutes or so, but it's gone from a light rain to moderate in the last 10 minutes, and worsening. And yes- that's Sleet/Snow near Wilkes-Barre and in West Virginia.

10/27/08
0
If they tie this thing, it could be a looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong night.

10/27/08
1
This is ridiculous!  What happens when they all get pneumonia?  They play from the hospital?  Yowsa!!

10/27/08
1
They could be risking health problems. Now 39'F and moderate rain. That's conditions to get sick. They are playing hard, so of course your immune system won't be 100%. Add these weather conditions, and i wouldn't be surprised is a few players are sick with a cold tomorrow.

10/27/08
0
WOOHOOOO! LONG NIGHT!

10/27/08
0
Chris wrote:
Rain is intensifying. It should update on this screen every 5 minutes or so, but it's gone from a light rain to moderate in the last 10 minutes, and worsening. And yes- that's Sleet/Snow near Wilkes-Barre and in West Virginia.
bah; I've already had my first snowfall yesterday here...overrated.

And WOW on the tie game..

10/27/08
0
tie game. Sucks.

10/27/08
0
Chief_aka_James wrote:
bah; I've already had my first snowfall yesterday here...overrated.

And WOW on the tie game..
dang man, already? LOL! Cold winter up ahead?

10/27/08
0

Woo hooo inspite of it all the Rays tie it up!  WTG boys!


10/27/08
0
We've got a BUNCH of snow here and it's about -8F.. nice weather.. at least it's not raining! *lol*

10/27/08
1
Chris wrote:
dang man, already? LOL! Cold winter up ahead?
It's Minnesota...when is it not a cold winter?

10/27/08
0
This is gonna be an interesting night.

Do you think they'll be more inclined to delay it now that it's tied?

10/27/08
0
Chief_aka_James wrote:
It's Minnesota...when is it not a cold winter?
hahaha, true. It's a little early for  a storm of this calibur though. Usually they don't drop hard until mid November-ish.

10/27/08
0
phillies are going 2 win 4 the second time in thier history as a team-go phillies

10/27/08
0
I guess they are more inclined to delay.

10/27/08
0
Ryan wrote:
This is gonna be an interesting night.

Do you think they'll be more inclined to delay it now that it's tied?
they might do that. The weather squeaked the ball behind two Phillie plays at the end there. Wont' say the next line. Might get smacked. Well, ok. It would help the Rays. They took advantage of the weather, and the Phillies can't strike back in the same conditions.

10/27/08
0
Ryan wrote:
This is gonna be an interesting night.

Do you think they'll be more inclined to delay it now that it's tied?
As it comes back on...Yes.

10/27/08
0
Delay on now. This might be a long one, folks. Time for dinner/late night snack, or coffee... or... more FanIQ! You get the idea.

10/27/08
0
OK.  So does this delay favor either team?  Who has the advantage if they come back tonight?  Who has the advantage if they come back tomorrow?

The Phils still four at-bats and the Rays have three.

10/27/08
0
Ok folks; good game over on MNF...I'm sure by the time that one is over, it will be the same story here..

10/27/08
0
Ryan wrote:
OK.  So does this delay favor either team?  Who has the advantage if they come back tonight?  Who has the advantage if they come back tomorrow?

The Phils still four at-bats and the Rays have three.
well the weather helped the Rays tie it, if it continues, the Phillies have 3 more outs and homefield crowd, so slight edge to Philly.

10/27/08
0
Finally Rain delay... I don't understand tho.. if weather is supposed to get worse.. why wouldn't they take it to FL?  How could they just say the Phillies won?  Thank God the Rays tied it up!

10/27/08
0
Chris wrote:
they might do that. The weather squeaked the ball behind two Phillie plays at the end there. Wont' say the next line. Might get smacked. Well, ok. It would help the Rays. They took advantage of the weather, and the Phillies can't strike back in the same conditions.
Well, I think the Rays were gonna break through regardless of the rain.  The Phils have had chances to bring in some more runs and weren't able to do it.  For all of Kazmir's faults tonight, he kept his team in it for the most part.

I'm certain that Major League Baseball did not want to award a World Championship in a shortened game, so I'm sure they were glad that the Rays were able to tie it up.  Even though a called game would have given it to the Phillies, I didn't want to see it end that way.

Of course, in a few days I might be cursing them for not stopping it.

10/27/08
1
seal_warrior1 wrote:
Finally Rain delay... I don't understand tho.. if weather is supposed to get worse.. why wouldn't they take it to FL?  How could they just say the Phillies won?  Thank God the Rays tied it up!
The game HAS to be finished in Philly. It wouldn't be right to essentially give the Rays an extra home game.

10/27/08
0
Between horrible umping, and questionable rain management, the MLB is on notice.

10/27/08
0
So if it HAS to finish this game in Phillie.. and the weather doesn't improve...does that mean they wait til Spring?  YIKES!    Couldn't they go to neutral territory to finish this game?

10/27/08
3
MrNFL wrote:
Between horrible umping, and questionable rain management, the MLB is on notice.
Questionable rain management? Personally, I think they handled it the best possible way, by waiting for the Rays to tie it up. They couldn't stop the game once it became official, and they couldn't give the Phillies a win in a shortened game.

What would you have done?

10/27/08
0
Radar image above updated. Dark greens replaced by yellow. This delay might be 1+ hours, or a suspended game. It doesn't look like it will lighten up.

10/27/08
1
seal_warrior1 wrote:
So if it HAS to finish this game in Phillie.. and the weather doesn't improve...does that mean they wait til Spring?  YIKES!    Couldn't they go to neutral territory to finish this game?

They'll either finish it tomorrow night or on Wednesday night.  They will finish this game in Philly.


10/27/08
0
seal_warrior1 wrote:
So if it HAS to finish this game in Phillie.. and the weather doesn't improve...does that mean they wait til Spring?  YIKES!    Couldn't they go to neutral territory to finish this game?
The weather can only last so long... it will break for long enough for them to finish the game.

10/27/08
0
Pat wrote:
Questionable rain management? Personally, I think they handled it the best possible way, by waiting for the Rays to tie it up. They couldn't stop the game once it became official, and they couldn't give the Phillies a win in a shortened game.

What would you have done?
I think as evidenced by the ratings, you can't stop and then start again with the game ending at 2 AM.  I think they should finish it tomorrow afternoon.  I know that probably sounds extreme, but this weather is simply unplayable, and you can't just call the game and end the World Series on that.

10/27/08
1
Ryan wrote:

They'll either finish it tomorrow night or on Wednesday night.  They will finish this game in Philly.

PaRtY tImE is on hold tonight. Keep the beer and champagne on ice! It won't melt, its in the 30s outside...

10/27/08
0
They just discussed that Mr NFL... they said weather was supposed to get worse the next few days.. and definitly to be worse tomorrow.. What if they CAN"T finish and it snows or something...  Can they go and play somewhere in neutral territory?  Or they just wait 2 wks or however long to finish playing in Phillie?

10/27/08
0
Pat wrote:
Questionable rain management? Personally, I think they handled it the best possible way, by waiting for the Rays to tie it up. They couldn't stop the game once it became official, and they couldn't give the Phillies a win in a shortened game.

What would you have done?
Agreed.  They're (MLB) already taking a beating for pushing Game #3 back.  If they had called this early, then the Rays fans (the mythical few) would actually have a reason to complain.  By the game being tied, it gave MLB the position they needed.

My guess is they'll finish it tomorrow night.  Do you think the teams start with their bullpens or bring back a starter?

10/27/08
3
MrNFL wrote:
I think as evidenced by the ratings, you can't stop and then start again with the game ending at 2 AM.  I think they should finish it tomorrow afternoon.  I know that probably sounds extreme, but this weather is simply unplayable, and you can't just call the game and end the World Series on that.
But if they call the game now, the World Series won't end, since the game is tied. That's why I believe they did it right. If the Phillies were in the lead, then the couldn't:
a) call the game, and let the Phillies win the WS on a technicality
b) suspend the game (against the rules if the game is already official), inciting a riot in Philly

They had to keep playing. Once the Rays tied the game, it bailed out the MLB and gave them a chance to legally and ethically stop the game.

I think they did it perfectly.

10/27/08
0
(Edited by MrNFL)
seal_warrior1 wrote:
They just discussed that Mr NFL... they said weather was supposed to get worse the next few days.. and definitly to be worse tomorrow.. What if they CAN"T finish and it snows or something...  Can they go and play somewhere in neutral territory?  Or they just wait 2 wks or however long to finish playing in Phillie?
Well, then that sucks balls for the MLB.  It kills them either way, because the ratings will continue to be laughable if the game goes to 3 AM.

BTW, I hadn't heard that, because for the most part I've been watching the Colts/Titans, but watching Tivo'ed baseball that's behind a bit.


10/27/08
0
Chris wrote:
PaRtY tImE is on hold tonight. Keep the beer and champagne on ice! It won't melt, its in the 30s outside...
Man, I wish I could be wet and in the rain up there! 

I'm not sure it's time to party yet.  The Rays are starting to get it going now and will make this series interesting.  I hope this delay (however long it is) gets the Phillies' bats going.  They looked more like Games 1&2 tonight than they did Games 3&4.

10/27/08
1
Ryan wrote:
Agreed.  They're (MLB) already taking a beating for pushing Game #3 back.  If they had called this early, then the Rays fans (the mythical few) would actually have a reason to complain.  By the game being tied, it gave MLB the position they needed.

My guess is they'll finish it tomorrow night.  Do you think the teams start with their bullpens or bring back a starter?
I'd go with a starter, but that's just me.

10/27/08
0
Pat wrote:
But if they call the game now, the World Series won't end, since the game is tied. That's why I believe they did it right. If the Phillies were in the lead, then the couldn't:
a) call the game, and let the Phillies win the WS on a technicality
b) suspend the game (against the rules if the game is already official), inciting a riot in Philly

They had to keep playing. Once the Rays tied the game, it bailed out the MLB and gave them a chance to legally and ethically stop the game.

I think they did it perfectly.
The Rays definitely bailed them out, that's for sure.  But either way, this ends badly for viewership.

10/27/08
0
MrNFL wrote:
The Rays definitely bailed them out, that's for sure.  But either way, this ends badly for viewership.
Not if they finish it tomorrow, and essentially get another game out of it. I think that's what will happen.

I'm still waiting to hear what you think they should have done in the first place.

10/27/08
0
Pat wrote:
Not if they finish it tomorrow, and essentially get another game out of it. I think that's what will happen.

I'm still waiting to hear what you think they should have done in the first place.
I thought they should've stopped it quickly before it passed the 5th so they could finish it tomorrow.  But provided they do it tomorrow, they will have done a solid job.

10/27/08
0
So it's officially suspended, as Mike Tirico tells me.

What time?

10/27/08
1
Well crap.....

Guess I'd better get some sleep tonight!  Too bad I PUT OFF ALL MY WORK!!!!!!!!!

ugh......

10/27/08
2
Good answer by Selig when asked about what would have happened if the Phillies had been in the lead:

We would have delayed the game as long as necessary - days if needed.  We wouldn't have called the game early.

I almost respect him at this moment..............


Yeah, it's gone now.

10/27/08
3
So does this mean I can make my pick even still on FanIQ?

 
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