The SEC Is Still The Most Dominant Conference In College Football

You Can't Spell Dominance In College Football Without The Letters S.E.C.

1/12/10 in NCAAF   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

The 2009 College football season has come to an end and for the fourth straight year the SEC claims the top spot. Alabama held off a late charge by Texas to win its 10th “official” title (Bama has 3 un-official titles prior to 1932). Bama’s win also marks the 25 official National Championship for the SEC. This in my opinion puts an end to the debate; one which SEC fans knew was over before it started, of which conference is the best in College football. Since the SEC expanded to 12 teams in 1991 they have won 8 National championships including 6 out of the 12 BCS title games and now four in a row.
 
In the past 8 seasons, the SEC's bowl record is 40-23 (.634), including 10-2 in BCS bowls and 6-0 in the BCS championship. The next closest is the Pac-10 at 26-21 (.553).

• Since the 2000 draft, the NFL has drafted 400 players out of the SEC. Next is the Atlantic Coast with 364. On Mel Kiper Jr.'s big board on ESPN.com, six of the top 19 prospects are SEC players.

• According to the Sports Business Journal, six of the top 11 football revenue producers in 2007-08 were from the SEC.

• This season, the SEC averaged 75,411 attendance. That's 97 percent capacity. Mississippi, without an SEC title since 1963, sold 50,000 season tickets.

For those of you who think that it’s got to be over they can’t possibly stay on top, think again. Florida even in the midst of the “is he staying or is he going” saga has climbed to the top of the recruiting ranks says Rivals.com. With 5 other SEC teams joining them in the top 10. That’s for those of you who have trouble with math is 6 out of the 12 SEC teams in with a top ten recruiting class for next year. The dominance is set to continue for sometime to come so get used to it.

The SEC is second to none when it comes to key areas like the ability to bring in and pay the top coaches in the country from head coaches to assistants, the revenue it takes to ensure each teams has the best and most advanced facilities and equipment in the business and a loyal fans base that for that last four years has accounted for over 60% of total attendance for the National Championship games, and no matter who is in the game they are always ready and willing to chant SEC! SEC! SEC!
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1/24/10   |   aos035   |   68 respect

Last year the Gators shouldn't have been in, the biased coaches let them in. In 2010 Alabama played an awful game and won because Colt McCoy was out. Also, which conference has the most championships? The Pac 10.

I know it makes you feel good after the Gators lost to brag about your conference, but seriously, revenue dosn't matter.

1/20/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

wrote:
Sorry, didn't see West Virginia on the schedule- BUT that game is at LSU as well.  LSU only plays 4 games on the road next season (5 if you count the one against North Carolina in the Georgia Dome- which is in LSU's backyard anyway ) and 7 games at home WTF?   While USC plays 7 games on the road and only 6 games at home.....    Sorry but, playing 2/3 of your games at home is a serious advantage for any team.
(Edited by jerryyelverton)

 I don't know what map you are looking at Vin, but Georgia is closer to North Carolina than Louisiana. In fact, Ga and NC border on each other. Or what kind of calculator you use... 7 is 58% of 12, not 66%. LOL

And the home-away thing just worked out that way in 2010. In 2011, LSU plays at W. Va. Also, in 2011, USC plays 7 at home and 5 on the road. Is that just as serious an advantage for USC?

1/20/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

Vin, you and I have been agreeing too much recently, so I'll take the rebuttal on this.

I'm going to start by saying that USC has always been, and is still a great team. I'll even say that, with the same talent they have had over the years, they would have fared very well, in, or against the SEC. I have great respect for them.

However, one thing I would throw in is the recruiting advantage that USC has. Because they are, by far, the most elite program west of the Rockies, they get their pick of the area recruits. Then, the rest of the PAC10 divvy up the leftovers. In the SEC, the competition is much more fierce between Alabama, Florida, LSU, Tennessee, Georgia, and Auburn. And Arkansas and Ole Miss get a few too. South Carolina, Kentucky, Miss. State, and Vanderbilt have to take what's left after that free-for-all.

But, the main thing I wanted to point out was your "accidental" omission of West Virginia from LSU's 2010 schedule. By far, the best team on either LSU's or USC's non-con schedule.
2009 performances by LSU's 2010 nc teams :
West Virginia (9-3)
North Carolina (8-4)
McNeese (9-3)
UL-Monroe (6-6)

2009 performances by USC's 2010 nc teams :
Notre Dame (6-6)
Minnesota (6-6)
Hawaii (6-7)
Virginia (3-9)

If I were a coach, I would prefer USC's nc schedule...


1/20/10   |   srichard127   |   9 respect

wrote:
Ummm, the Trojans WON their Bowl game- what did the Tigers do?  So the Tigers beat Washington and the Trojans did not- big deal- the Trojans WON the game that mattered which was their Bowl game!  And how can you even say that the Trojans wouldn't do well in the SEC- what proof do you have that they would not? You do realize that the ONLY teams to beat USC in the past 6 or so years (excluding Texas in the NC game) were PAC-10 teams right? And USC has gone 4-0 against SEC teams (Auburn and Arkansas) in their last 4 meetings as well.  I would love it if SEC Teams would actually schedule USC in their non-Conference games- but NONE of them will... Even as the USC Sports Director has tried to get them on his schedule, they STILL decline- he even went as far as wanting to play SEC on their OWN FIELD- and SEC teams said NO!. The only teams to take the bait were Auburn and Arkansas (in home/away meetings) and we all saw how that worked out!  You can say whatever you want about the PAC-10, but saying that USC sucks is just completely ignorant because they have been a NATIONAL POWERHOUSE year in and year out- no matter how poorly you may consider their Conference!

you are right, usc did win thier bowl game. if you want to consider them a powerhouse because they have a good record and play a weak conference go ahead. then throw byu, cincinatti, rutgers and all the other schools that run the table in a weak conference in the NATIONAL POWERHOUSE catergory to. but you are right there is no way to tell. usc may try to schedule some sec teams on their schedule, but im willing to bet its not florida, bama, or lsu. the last 4 national champions

1/20/10   |   srichard127   |   9 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Well as always my friend we have a difference of opinion on most things sports, and it looks like once again we will have to agree to disagree on this matter at least for now because we both know it will come up again in the future. As always I have enjoyed the debate and thank you.

Oh and good luck with Lame Kiffin.

ill throw it out there. USC sucks. im a lsu tiger fan so its hard for me to side with a gator but ill make an acception. LSU (a mediocore sec team this year) went and played washington their 1st game of the season to warm up. and they won. USC played that same washington team. didn't turnout so good for the trojans. imagine if USC had to play just 1 season in the sec? what a reality check they would get.

1/20/10   |   srichard127   |   9 respect

those mediocore lsu tigers huh?  well they went to the pac 10 to play washington the 1st game of the season and oh yeah they won.  how did the trojan and washington game turnout?  no so good for the trojans if i recall.  so if lsu is mediocore and beat a team just to warm up what does that say about USC?  what's under mediocore?  SH!!TY.  bigtone wont say but i will USC sucks.  and kiffen just killed what was left.  im an lsu fan to the heart and i will not make an excuse for them losing.  but 4 national championships in a row all out of the sec with 3 different teams.  come on man

1/20/10   |   srichard127   |   9 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:

I am blaming a lot of LSU's problems in that game to the field. I don't care what anyone says when you take away one of the most dangerous part of a teams game and they will suffer, and no I don't think PSU is even close to as fast as LSU so it did not effect them the same way, but that is just my opinion you are entitled to yours as well. 

The conference did go 6-4, 6 wins being the key factor here the only reason two other conferences had a better win% is because they don't have enough quality teams to put 10 of them in bowl games. BTW your beloved Pac 10 was two plays away from being 0-7 proving their 5-0 mark of last year (same amount of wins the SEC had BTW) was a fluke.

The blog is not just about this year it is about mainly the last 10 years where the numbers clearly show who the best is. If you and others don't want to believe it that's your fault not mine, but if you want to dispute it. Show the stats to back up your claims and I will eat my crow with dignity.

Oh and last you are right the SEC top two teams were Bama and Florida who both won BCS games, Bama winning it all and finished 1 and 3 making the SEC they only school with two teams in the top 5, regardless of what the rest of the conference did that is still dominating the rest of the competition in my book.

bigtone i have been reading you and vin go back and forth.  im a lsu fan to the core but i agree with you 100%.  the last 4 bcs trophies in the sec and no pac 10 team in sight.  u said you wouldn't say it but i will. USC SUCKS.  put them in the sec and they may get an 7 to 8 win season.  over vanderbilt and a few others.  no offense commedores.  and my opinion to lsu wins without the rain.  not an excuse just my opinion.  i wish usc played in the sec just one season.  they may pull out a few wins.  no offense to vanderbilt.  although you are a gator fan and myself a lsu fan i wish people would give props where they are due.  4 national championships in a row coming from the sec with 3 different teams. i mean come on.  oh yeah and once again reggie bush is gone from the trojans and if they wouldnt have paid him to go there they wouldnt have made that little run anyway.  i think the pac 10 sucks to.  why do you think lsu went to washington as their 1st game of the season lastyear?  to get some practice in.  florida and bama bave kinda taken over the sec at the moment but we still got lsu to.  what im getting at is that you are right on with your saying.

1/19/10   |   srichard127   |   9 respect

jswol54 wrote:
Both teams had to play on the same field.  It may have neutralized LSU's speed advantage a little, but I wouldn't necessarily say that Penn St. is a slow team.  But I wouldn't expect anyone inside the SEC to acknowledge that fact.

Look man, the SEC has dominated college football recently and the school you root for is a huge part of that. But the SEC love fest is downright pathetic.  I especially love it when a fans of USCjr or Arky talk trash...It's like they are living vicariously through the success that Bama and Florida have had.  And nhhow you are sticking up for LSU because PSU couldn't have possibly been the better team.  Better blame it on the field conditions....excuse me while I LOL!

bigtone i been reading u and vin go back and forth.  i'll say it man. USC blows.  put them in the sec for one year and the most they would win is maybe 7 or 8 games.  like you said the pac 10 sucks and they cant win that.  im an lsu fan and i agree with everything u said.  hats off to penn state for the win, but screw the lions anyway.  tell whoever his name is to just calm down until the coaches trophy leaves the sec.  4 titles in a row with 3 different teams.  i mean come on.  i think florida, bama, or my tigers would love to go to the rose bowl and destroy the ooooooooo so grat trojans.  i understand supporting your team, but give props where they are due.  and now with kiffin there,  sorry to say trojan fans but your so called trojans are in trouble. 

1/19/10   |   atmawinataperciq

Jubanator14 wrote:
 I rank individual teams- and Yes Alabama and Florida were GREAT teams this season- but the rest of the SEC teams were mediocre at best this season!

I am with you on that point and really that was true for every conference really. Those two "great" teams in each conference really weren't all time greats/remembered forever type teams.

was ist Jubenator?

1/18/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

Well as always my friend we have a difference of opinion on most things sports, and it looks like once again we will have to agree to disagree on this matter at least for now because we both know it will come up again in the future. As always I have enjoyed the debate and thank you.

Oh and good luck with Lame Kiffin.

1/18/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Because I am tired of the Bashing of my team for no reason but to make people feel better about themselves.

I have never said USC sucks just the Pac 10 and as far as the Cowboys they don't suck they just can't get out of their own way.

1/18/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Ha Ha Vin. Mock me all you want but you know what I mean. I don't like it either and no I don't think it is right but that is the world we live in and people need to get used to it, instead of wasting there time and breath fighting something they have no control of.

Because I am tired of the Bashing of my team for no reason but to make people feel better about themselves.

1/17/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Oh what ever dude we play in the same conditions you do except we exchange exstream cold for exstream heat. You northern freaks really need to give that sh!t a rest. I was not crying about shit I stated my opinon which is PSU sucks and is no where near as fast as LSU and the crappy field took away LSU's speed making the teams more even. Thats just how I saw it, just like you and a lot of others saw it a different way. Thats why it is called an opinon. You can complain about the Bowl games being in the south all you want but it will never change. people and fans are not going to travle to the snow and cold to watch games in January thats just a fact. Why should we leave the state so you can feel better about us. I think not. As long as the system we have does not penalize you for not playing those games and does not reward you if you do it wont change and more teams will follow suit. I don't understand why all you people think teams should stack the deck against themselves in an effort to increase public perception.

Ha Ha Vin. Mock me all you want but you know what I mean. I don't like it either and no I don't think it is right but that is the world we live in and people need to get used to it, instead of wasting there time and breath fighting something they have no control of.

1/16/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Hey Vinn honestly I just hate the Big 10 and find it hard to give them any credit at all, but IMHO if that game was played on a good field LSU wins by 10 and that's just the way I see it. But congrats to Joe Pa and the Nittny Lions for a good season and a good bowl win. Wow that was hard.

Oh what ever dude we play in the same conditions you do except we exchange exstream cold for exstream heat. You northern freaks really need to give that sh!t a rest. I was not crying about shit I stated my opinon which is PSU sucks and is no where near as fast as LSU and the crappy field took away LSU's speed making the teams more even. Thats just how I saw it, just like you and a lot of others saw it a different way. Thats why it is called an opinon. You can complain about the Bowl games being in the south all you want but it will never change. people and fans are not going to travle to the snow and cold to watch games in January thats just a fact. Why should we leave the state so you can feel better about us. I think not. As long as the system we have does not penalize you for not playing those games and does not reward you if you do it wont change and more teams will follow suit. I don't understand why all you people think teams should stack the deck against themselves in an effort to increase public perception.

1/13/10   |   willscout   |   32 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
Hey Pal, BigTone is a Florida fan... not LSU.

WhoDat, srichard127, and I are the only LSU fans who have posted on this thread, and neither of us has made an excuse for LSU's loss to Penn State.

In fact, I read practically every football thread on this site, and I have yet to see an LSU fan making excuses for that game. LSU actually surprised me doing as well as they did this season. I'm proud of them.

Havnt heard Lsu fans making excuses? Maybe there havnt been excuses posted here but you should come down to Baton Rouge. The crying about the field is non stop. The generalization of "you" is just that.... a generalization. It doesnt mean you in particular it merely refers to those complaining in general.......Pal

1/13/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

gobigblue1960 wrote:
The problem is that the rankings give way to much respect to SEC bottom feeder teams at the start of the season. Florida, LSU, Bama, etc. can beat a team like South Carolina who was 3-0 in non-conference games, possibly ranked when they play, and then they finish 6-6, and unranked. But because they beat the team when ranked, pollsters give the winning team credit for beating a 3-0 team, and not the team that finished 6-6. That;s the problem. As far as OSU and Michigan, when have they ever been given anything.? The Big Ten fights every year for respect from a bunch of elitist SEC cronies, who think they invented the game of football. This year the Big Ten was they ONLY CONFERENCE with four teams ranked in the top 16 of the final polls. Penn State beat LSU, ans Auburn beat Northwestern. The Big Ten always holds it's own when the two conferences play in bowl games, but because Ohio State lost two straight BCS Title games, the Big Ten has been crucified. Let's understand one thing. I respect the SEC, and the great teams that play there, but the SEC also has bad, and even terrible teams. Vandy has been horrible for 50 years, Ole Miss has a decent team with Eli Manning, but they have been nothing for 50 years. Mississippi State has done nothing, South Carolina is an average team with Lou Holtz, and Steve Spurrier, and have had no impact on college football in my lifetime. Arkansas has done very little since joining the SEC 16 years ago, and Kentucky continues to prove that it's a basketball school. Every conference has great teams, good teams, and teams that suck, even the SEC.
(Edited by BigTone2475)

I don't deny that fact, but the difference is that most of the time the SEC has4 to 5 teams with a legitimate shot at winning it all, where the other conferences only have one maybe two if they are lucky. There are 6 SEC teams with officially recognized National Championships since 1934 and five of those teams have at least one title in the last 30 years dating back to UGA in 1980. The next closest is the Big 12 with 7 titles between 4 teams.


Since 1980: The last 30 years of college football
SEC 
9 National titles/five teams
UGA 1980
Alabama 1992,2009
Florida 1996,2006,2008
Tennessee 1998
LSU 2003,2007

Big 10
2 National titles/2 teams
Michigan 1997 (split with Nebraska)
OSU 2002

Pac 10
3 National titles/2 teams
Washington 1991 (split with Miami)
USC  2003,2004 (split with LSU in 03)

Big 12
7 National title/4 teams
Oklahoma 1985,2000
Nebraska 1994,1995,1997 ( split with Michigan in 97)
Texas 2005
Colorado 1990
ACC
4 National titles/3 teams
Clemson 1981
Georgia Tech 1990 (split with Colorado)
FSU 1993,1999

Big East
5 National titles/1 team
Miami 1983,1987,1989,1991,2001 (split with Washington in 91)

MW
1 national title/1 team
BYU 1984

Independent
3 National titles/2 teams
PSU 1982,1986 ( PSU did not join the Big 10 until 1993)
ND 1988

 The rest of the conferences in football have one or two team that consistently dominate that conference where in the SEC there are between 4 and 5 on ant given year that can not only win the SEC but the National title as well. I am not saying that every other conference sucks(well except the Big 10) I am just saying that the SEC is just a little bit better then most, most of the time. Sure there are years where the SEC is not the best,but never the worst, take the 08 season even though my Gators won the title I though and posted that the Big 12 was the best conference that year.

I will explain my hatred for the Big 10 I have a lot of family from the Big 10 region and they are insufferable and I have heard all my life about how great OSU in particular and the Big 10 is, so I get a lot of satisfaction in slamming them on a regular basis. Oh and Blue I was the first Gator on this site to come back and give your boys props for beating the Gators in the Capitol one bowl in 07. They took it to the Gators that game.

1/13/10   |   Swampboy   |   12 respect

gobigblue1960 wrote:
Isn't it funny that until the formation of the Bowl Coalition, the Bowl Alliance, and the BS, um, the BCS, that the SEC went 12 years without winning a National Championship.
The supposed SEC dominance is a direct result of the SEC developed BCS. The SEC has mediocre at best , and Arkansa  teams like Mississippi State, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. When was the last time any of those teams won an SEC title, much less contend for a National Championship. I'll even add Auburn and Tennessee, who have not played up to their usual level.
Yes, Alabama, LSU and Florida have had great teams the last few years, but the SEC, top to bottom, is no better, or worse, than any other BCS conference.

Interesting that your math sux, as the BCS was put into affect in 1998..2 years prior to that the Gators were the undisputed National Champions, and 6 years prior Alabama was the undisputed National Champion...so ummm explain again your math on this one?

1/13/10   |   gobigblue1960   |   4805 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
First of all I will address the 12 year drought now this is where I will sound like the rest of you guys do now. During that time frame the SEC did not get the respect it deserved and the media and voters kissed the ass of  teams like OSU, UM both of them, and other teams that played in conferences that had only one maybe two legitimate teams that were any good letting them get all the glory.

Second and we have discussed this before all of the BCS conferences had a hand in the creation of the BCS not just the SEC and your beloved conferences is one of it's biggest supporters and one of the two conferences admittedly against any type of a playoff system. So please put that argument to bed.

Last but not least if the rest of the SEC is no better then any other conference then explain why at least in the last few years anyway that the SEC has the best Non-con record of any conference, why more often then not when a team faces an SEC team they lose. I am not saying we win them all that would be stupid but we win the majority of them and in a convincing manner to boot.

There are other conferences that are very good and some times for a year or two, at the mos,t one might even be better then the SEC, but overall for the last 10 to 12 years the SEC has been at the top more then they have not been and the numbers prove it.

The problem is that the rankings give way to much respect to SEC bottom feeder teams at the start of the season. Florida, LSU, Bama, etc. can beat a team like South Carolina who was 3-0 in non-conference games, possibly ranked when they play, and then they finish 6-6, and unranked. But because they beat the team when ranked, pollsters give the winning team credit for beating a 3-0 team, and not the team that finished 6-6. That;s the problem. As far as OSU and Michigan, when have they ever been given anything.? The Big Ten fights every year for respect from a bunch of elitist SEC cronies, who think they invented the game of football. This year the Big Ten was they ONLY CONFERENCE with four teams ranked in the top 16 of the final polls. Penn State beat LSU, ans Auburn beat Northwestern. The Big Ten always holds it's own when the two conferences play in bowl games, but because Ohio State lost two straight BCS Title games, the Big Ten has been crucified. Let's understand one thing. I respect the SEC, and the great teams that play there, but the SEC also has bad, and even terrible teams. Vandy has been horrible for 50 years, Ole Miss has a decent team with Eli Manning, but they have been nothing for 50 years. Mississippi State has done nothing, South Carolina is an average team with Lou Holtz, and Steve Spurrier, and have had no impact on college football in my lifetime. Arkansas has done very little since joining the SEC 16 years ago, and Kentucky continues to prove that it's a basketball school. Every conference has great teams, good teams, and teams that suck, even the SEC.

1/13/10   |   jswol54   |   20819 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Hey Vinn honestly I just hate the Big 10 and find it hard to give them any credit at all, but IMHO if that game was played on a good field LSU wins by 10 and that's just the way I see it. But congrats to Joe Pa and the Nittny Lions for a good season and a good bowl win. Wow that was hard.

How well would SEC teams play in bowls that aren't right in their backyard?  Near as I can figure, the Sugar, Orange, and many other bowls give SEC teams the edge considering it's a short driving distance for nearly every team in the conference.

I only bring this up because the Capital One Bowl is played in Florida and had the conditions not been harsh, your boys from the SEC would have had the advantage...according to you at least.  Too bad they had to play in adverse conditions and the team from the big bad north is used to them.  You see, we play in ALL conditions up here and don't cry about it when the weather is bad. 

I wouldn't expect a Florida fan to understand this because you guys RARELY travel, even out of the state, for OOC games.

1/13/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

jerryyelverton wrote:
Hey Pal, BigTone is a Florida fan... not LSU.

WhoDat, srichard127, and I are the only LSU fans who have posted on this thread, and neither of us has made an excuse for LSU's loss to Penn State.

In fact, I read practically every football thread on this site, and I have yet to see an LSU fan making excuses for that game. LSU actually surprised me doing as well as they did this season. I'm proud of them.

They still should have been able to beat a Big 10 team no matter what the conditions were and they could not pull it off but in my opinion if that game is on a clean field LSU wins by 10 and that is just the way I see it. I could be wrong. I don't think PSU is that good nor do I think any Big 10 team is all that good regardless of who they beat in bowl games. I could be wrong but I hate the Big 10 so I usually slam them every chance I get.

1/12/10   |   jerryyelverton   |   165 respect

willscout wrote:
Would you like someone to have gone out there and tied their shoes for them too? You lost on a bad field and you would have lost in a dome! The Lions were just as hampered by the field conditions. You could have won except for the field, you could have won if Tebow wasnt playing, you could have won but the refs robbed you. You know what, you could have won if you stopped making excuses as to why you couldnt!
(Edited by jerryyelverton)

Hey Pal, BigTone is a Florida fan... not LSU.

WhoDat, srichard127, and I are the only LSU fans who have posted on this thread, and neither of us has made an excuse for LSU's loss to Penn State.

In fact, I read practically every football thread on this site, and I have yet to see an LSU fan making excuses for that game. LSU actually surprised me doing as well as they did this season. I'm proud of them.

1/12/10   |   srichard127   |   9 respect

WhoDat12 wrote:
A lot of people argue the points of the SEC being dominant in football, and there are a lot of arguable points - coaching, recruiting, location, etc. But you can't argue with four consecutive titles, even if they are B**S titles.

true that. and i dont see anyone stopping a 5th next year

1/12/10   |   willscout   |   32 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Hey Vinn honestly I just hate the Big 10 and find it hard to give them any credit at all, but IMHO if that game was played on a good field LSU wins by 10 and that's just the way I see it. But congrats to Joe Pa and the Nittny Lions for a good season and a good bowl win. Wow that was hard.

Would you like someone to have gone out there and tied their shoes for them too? You lost on a bad field and you would have lost in a dome! The Lions were just as hampered by the field conditions. You could have won except for the field, you could have won if Tebow wasnt playing, you could have won but the refs robbed you. You know what, you could have won if you stopped making excuses as to why you couldnt!

1/12/10   |   radiowave000   |   145 respect

Triple A professional football..the SEC

1/12/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

wrote:
"I am blaming a lot of LSU's problems in that game to the field. I don't care what anyone says when you take away one of the most dangerous part of a teams game and they will suffer,"        I will STILL argue this point with you! Example (hypothetically):  If team "speed and agility" could be measured on some kind of scale and LSU was rated at 100 and PSU was rated at an 80... Now you throw in bad field conditions which reduces LSU to an 80 (or 20% less team speed and agility)- would it not reduce PSU's ratings by 20% also taking them down to a 64 rating?     You really make no sense in this argument considering that BOTH teams played on the same field!  Unless of course you concede that LSU CAN'T PLAY in any adverse conditions and have to have  PERFECT FIELD CONDITIONS to actually be able to win a game... LOL

Hey Vinn honestly I just hate the Big 10 and find it hard to give them any credit at all, but IMHO if that game was played on a good field LSU wins by 10 and that's just the way I see it. But congrats to Joe Pa and the Nittny Lions for a good season and a good bowl win. Wow that was hard.

1/12/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

gobigblue1960 wrote:
Isn't it funny that until the formation of the Bowl Coalition, the Bowl Alliance, and the BS, um, the BCS, that the SEC went 12 years without winning a National Championship.
The supposed SEC dominance is a direct result of the SEC developed BCS. The SEC has mediocre at best , and Arkansa  teams like Mississippi State, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. When was the last time any of those teams won an SEC title, much less contend for a National Championship. I'll even add Auburn and Tennessee, who have not played up to their usual level.
Yes, Alabama, LSU and Florida have had great teams the last few years, but the SEC, top to bottom, is no better, or worse, than any other BCS conference.
(Edited by BigTone2475)

First of all I will address the 12 year drought now this is where I will sound like the rest of you guys do now. During that time frame the SEC did not get the respect it deserved and the media and voters kissed the ass of  teams like OSU, UM both of them, and other teams that played in conferences that had only one maybe two legitimate teams that were any good letting them get all the glory.

Second and we have discussed this before all of the BCS conferences had a hand in the creation of the BCS not just the SEC and your beloved conferences is one of it's biggest supporters and one of the two conferences admittedly against any type of a playoff system. So please put that argument to bed.

Last but not least if the rest of the SEC is no better then any other conference then explain why at least in the last few years anyway that the SEC has the best Non-con record of any conference, why more often then not when a team faces an SEC team they lose. I am not saying we win them all that would be stupid but we win the majority of them and in a convincing manner to boot.

There are other conferences that are very good and some times for a year or two, at the mos,t one might even be better then the SEC, but overall for the last 10 to 12 years the SEC has been at the top more then they have not been and the numbers prove it.

1/12/10   |   willscout   |   32 respect

wrote:
Are you seriously "blaming" LSU's Bowl Loss on field conditions?  LOL  Seriously?  Didn't PSU have to play on the SAME DAMN FIELD?  This is football man, and football PLAYERS should be able to play on ANY field! Maybe LSU is ONLY a good team if the "field conditions" are PERFECT for them to play on- LOL! Get real with this s$%T- LSU LOST to a BETTER TEAM- period!  And your "dominating Conference" went 6-4 in their Bowl Games- placing them in 3rd Place (behind the MWC and Big East) for winning percentages for a Conference during Bowl season- NOT 1ST! Personally I don't "rank" Conferences- I rank individual teams- and Yes Alabama and Florida were GREAT teams this season- but the rest of the SEC teams were mediocre at best this season!

Well yeah, didnt PSU get to play on a different field? Lmao This is such a week excuse for LSU fans to keep throwing around. I would rather admit my team was beat by a tough team than by clods of dirt and grass. As far as the SEC being the dominant force in college football.......you can look at the 6-4 bowl season and say not so good, but what 6 were won? Im not saying the other bowl games dont count but getting wins in the major bowl games counts for a lot more than losing the consolation bowls. The fact that the SEC is usually well represented during bowl season speaks volumes as to the quality of their programs. Im not a statistics guy but the SEC has collected quite a few NCs and other top bowl wins over the years not to mention a number of NCAA records that will probably stand for a while. Do I think the SEC is a dominant force in college football? Absolutely! Do I think they are the only ones? That would be foolish! 

1/12/10   |   gobigblue1960   |   4805 respect

Isn't it funny that until the formation of the Bowl Coalition, the Bowl Alliance, and the BS, um, the BCS, that the SEC went 12 years without winning a National Championship.
The supposed SEC dominance is a direct result of the SEC developed BCS. The SEC has mediocre at best , and Arkansa  teams like Mississippi State, South Carolina, Kentucky, Vanderbilt, Ole Miss, and Arkansas. When was the last time any of those teams won an SEC title, much less contend for a National Championship. I'll even add Auburn and Tennessee, who have not played up to their usual level.
Yes, Alabama, LSU and Florida have had great teams the last few years, but the SEC, top to bottom, is no better, or worse, than any other BCS conference.

1/12/10   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
Thank you for your impute but I have to disagree with you a little yes it would be nice if we played more Non-con games as long as the BCS allows the risk of playing those games to far out way the reward it will never happen, so we are left with what we have and that is the few times we do play those game during the year and the bowl season and when the SEC boast the best records in both those categories for the past 10 years to me that is dominance, because when we do get the chance to play them 8 out of 10 times we win and as of late when it comes to the big game we just don't lose.

I guess I just look at it differently.  I don't look at those bowl records and think that it means the SEC is the most dominant conference.  It just means that particular SEC team was better than their opponent.

Something else to remember:  The BCS championship game is supposedly the only bowl game (other than the Rose Bowl) that matches two "equal teams".  A lot of the other bowl games are mis-matches, and that's because of  bowl affiliation and revenue (the bowl gets to decide who plays there, and they typically go for the best traveling teams, instead of the two most qualified).  So we don't really get an equal matchup to compare two conferences, or at least we rarely do.

That's just how I see it.  And everyone is entitled to their own opinion.  Now, I'm heading over to Wal-Mart to see the Coach's Trophy, and then I'm going to sit back and wait for next season to begin.

1/12/10   |   shfessler   |   55 respect

One word Vanderbuilt?? Is there one dominating conference in a world of have and have nots? The question is irrealavant!  Top 3 teams in any conference are the best! stack v. anyone what about your bottom feeders?  Look at the MWC TCU, BYU,Utah would anyone want to play them? No! Pac-10 Ore, USC, Ore State, Stanford, Big 12 OU, Tex, get the picture.  This year it was MWC Bowl Champ Series!

1/12/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

tpowell25 wrote:
Anthony, Anthony, Anthony.  From one SEC fan to another, I have to partially disagree.  The 'partially' part is because, as an SEC fan, I like to believe that the conference is very good and one of, if not the best.


But, until 5 or 6 SEC teams play 5 or 6 Big 12, Pac-10, etc. teams during the season, there is no way to tell who is the best.  Almost every conference plays different styles of football, so there is no feasible way to compare stats and say who is better.  Geographic differences play a large part in how teams play, especially at the end of the season, so that goes with the stats as well.

Alabama won the BCS title, as Florida did last season, but that doesn't make the entire conference better than other conferences.  If Texas would have beaten Alabama, would you have conceded the fact that the Big 12 was the most dominant conference in college football this season?  Me neither.

There is a lot of parity in college football now days.  It's great.  Many people think the top teams are weakening, but I think it's because more smaller programs are pulling in good recruits and putting competitive teams on the field, making games that much more exciting to watch each week (which has a lot to do with the number of upsets that we've had the past 2 seasons).

I know what's coming next, someone replies to me and says "That's why we need a playoff!!!......blah blah blah".  Yea, I know.  That's a topic for another thread.

I guess my point is this:  until it's proven on the field who is better, we can't determine who the best conference is.  Right now we are relying on human and computer polls to tell us who is ranked higher.  Which we all know, is only an opinion that doesn't always amount to a hill of beans.  I love all SEC sports, and I'll argue for them anytime someone bashes the SEC for ridiculous reasons.  But I can't agree with anyone that says it is the most dominating football conference in the country.  There are too many fine lines in there to declare that statement true.

Thank you for your impute but I have to disagree with you a little yes it would be nice if we played more Non-con games as long as the BCS allows the risk of playing those games to far out way the reward it will never happen, so we are left with what we have and that is the few times we do play those game during the year and the bowl season and when the SEC boast the best records in both those categories for the past 10 years to me that is dominance, because when we do get the chance to play them 8 out of 10 times we win and as of late when it comes to the big game we just don't lose.

1/12/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

wrote:
Are you seriously "blaming" LSU's Bowl Loss on field conditions?  LOL  Seriously?  Didn't PSU have to play on the SAME DAMN FIELD?  This is football man, and football PLAYERS should be able to play on ANY field! Maybe LSU is ONLY a good team if the "field conditions" are PERFECT for them to play on- LOL! Get real with this s$%T- LSU LOST to a BETTER TEAM- period!  And your "dominating Conference" went 6-4 in their Bowl Games- placing them in 3rd Place (behind the MWC and Big East) for winning percentages for a Conference during Bowl season- NOT 1ST! Personally I don't "rank" Conferences- I rank individual teams- and Yes Alabama and Florida were GREAT teams this season- but the rest of the SEC teams were mediocre at best this season!

I am blaming a lot of LSU's problems in that game to the field. I don't care what anyone says when you take away one of the most dangerous part of a teams game and they will suffer, and no I don't think PSU is even close to as fast as LSU so it did not effect them the same way, but that is just my opinion you are entitled to yours as well. 

The conference did go 6-4, 6 wins being the key factor here the only reason two other conferences had a better win% is because they don't have enough quality teams to put 10 of them in bowl games. BTW your beloved Pac 10 was two plays away from being 0-7 proving their 5-0 mark of last year (same amount of wins the SEC had BTW) was a fluke.

The blog is not just about this year it is about mainly the last 10 years where the numbers clearly show who the best is. If you and others don't want to believe it that's your fault not mine, but if you want to dispute it. Show the stats to back up your claims and I will eat my crow with dignity.

Oh and last you are right the SEC top two teams were Bama and Florida who both won BCS games, Bama winning it all and finished 1 and 3 making the SEC they only school with two teams in the top 5, regardless of what the rest of the conference did that is still dominating the rest of the competition in my book.

1/12/10   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

A lot of people argue the points of the SEC being dominant in football, and there are a lot of arguable points - coaching, recruiting, location, etc. But you can't argue with four consecutive titles, even if they are B**S titles.

1/12/10   |   tpowell25   |   1627 respect

Anthony, Anthony, Anthony.  From one SEC fan to another, I have to partially disagree.  The 'partially' part is because, as an SEC fan, I like to believe that the conference is very good and one of, if not the best.


But, until 5 or 6 SEC teams play 5 or 6 Big 12, Pac-10, etc. teams during the season, there is no way to tell who is the best.  Almost every conference plays different styles of football, so there is no feasible way to compare stats and say who is better.  Geographic differences play a large part in how teams play, especially at the end of the season, so that goes with the stats as well.

Alabama won the BCS title, as Florida did last season, but that doesn't make the entire conference better than other conferences.  If Texas would have beaten Alabama, would you have conceded the fact that the Big 12 was the most dominant conference in college football this season?  Me neither.

There is a lot of parity in college football now days.  It's great.  Many people think the top teams are weakening, but I think it's because more smaller programs are pulling in good recruits and putting competitive teams on the field, making games that much more exciting to watch each week (which has a lot to do with the number of upsets that we've had the past 2 seasons).

I know what's coming next, someone replies to me and says "That's why we need a playoff!!!......blah blah blah".  Yea, I know.  That's a topic for another thread.

I guess my point is this:  until it's proven on the field who is better, we can't determine who the best conference is.  Right now we are relying on human and computer polls to tell us who is ranked higher.  Which we all know, is only an opinion that doesn't always amount to a hill of beans.  I love all SEC sports, and I'll argue for them anytime someone bashes the SEC for ridiculous reasons.  But I can't agree with anyone that says it is the most dominating football conference in the country.  There are too many fine lines in there to declare that statement true.

1/12/10   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

 I rank individual teams- and Yes Alabama and Florida were GREAT teams this season- but the rest of the SEC teams were mediocre at best this season!

I am with you on that point and really that was true for every conference really. Those two "great" teams in each conference really weren't all time greats/remembered forever type teams.

1/12/10   |   elevenbravo138again   |   1163 respect

jswol54 wrote:
Both teams had to play on the same field.  It may have neutralized LSU's speed advantage a little, but I wouldn't necessarily say that Penn St. is a slow team.  But I wouldn't expect anyone inside the SEC to acknowledge that fact.

Look man, the SEC has dominated college football recently and the school you root for is a huge part of that. But the SEC love fest is downright pathetic.  I especially love it when a fans of USCjr or Arky talk trash...It's like they are living vicariously through the success that Bama and Florida have had.  And nhhow you are sticking up for LSU because PSU couldn't have possibly been the better team.  Better blame it on the field conditions....excuse me while I LOL!

The SEC's top teams are always good and usually title contenders and there's lots of NFL talent strewn across the SEC, but would they be the best top to bottom in a head to head against every other conference in the NCAA?  Who knows, the MWC has won the last two Bowl Challenge Cups, the middle and lower tier teams in the SEC might not be better, in an actual game, than the middles and bottoms of many other conferences.  I have no doubt the SEC would win in a combine testing showdown with just about anyone, but the Big 12 and PAC 10 and even the ACC have many impressive athletes, though not quite the depth of talent. 

1/12/10   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

SEC might have 6 of the top 19 but the Big 12 has 7 of the top 25, 3 of the top 5, and 5 of the top 10 on Mel Kipers board.

Nonethless, the SEC produces some very good talent year in and year out but the Big 12 is right there when it comes to top flight talent.

1/12/10   |   jswol54   |   20819 respect

BigTone2475 wrote:
If you are referring to the bowl game with PSU, then I say put them on a field that is at least half better then the one they were on and LSU kills them. That field completely eliminated LSU's speed and allowed PSU to keep up with them, but then again I don't expect anyone outside the SEC to acknowledge that fact.

Both teams had to play on the same field.  It may have neutralized LSU's speed advantage a little, but I wouldn't necessarily say that Penn St. is a slow team.  But I wouldn't expect anyone inside the SEC to acknowledge that fact.

Look man, the SEC has dominated college football recently and the school you root for is a huge part of that. But the SEC love fest is downright pathetic.  I especially love it when a fans of USCjr or Arky talk trash...It's like they are living vicariously through the success that Bama and Florida have had.  And nhhow you are sticking up for LSU because PSU couldn't have possibly been the better team.  Better blame it on the field conditions....excuse me while I LOL!

1/12/10   |   BigTone2475   |   326 respect

drn0iswatr wrote:
 LSU agrees that the SEC always dominates!

If you are referring to the bowl game with PSU, then I say put them on a field that is at least half better then the one they were on and LSU kills them. That field completely eliminated LSU's speed and allowed PSU to keep up with them, but then again I don't expect anyone outside the SEC to acknowledge that fact.

1/12/10   |   drn0iswatr   |   731 respect

 LSU agrees that the SEC always dominates!

1/12/10   |   johnshirey54   |   162 respect

100%InjuryRate wrote:
Actually, you can spell "Dominance in College Football" without an S.

Bravo, from one smartass to another.

1/12/10   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

Actually, you can spell "Dominance in College Football" without an S.