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6/11/08
Tim Donaghy's Claims Have Plenty Of Merit
We Shouldn't Be So Quick To Dismiss Tim Donaghy's Claims
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Unless you've been living under a rock for the past 24 hours, then you're fully aware that Tim Donaghy has made the claim that Game 6 of the 2002 Western Conference Finals between the Sacramento Kings and the LA Lakers was fixed in the Lakers' favor to force a Game 7 ratings bonanza.

It's a pretty bold claim to say the least.

Naturally David Stern immediately went into damage control mode after Donaghy's claims were released:
"He's a singing, cooperating witness who is trying to get as light a sentence as he can," Stern said. "He turned on basically all of his colleagues in an attempt to demonstrate that he is not the only one who engaged in criminal activity. The U.S. attorney's office, the FBI, have fully investigated it, and Mr. Donaghy is the only one who is guilty of a crime. And he will be sentenced for that crime regardless of the desperate attempts to implicate as many people as he can."
And there are plenty of people who agree with Stern, that Donaghy is trying to drag people down while attempting to get a lighter sentence.

But I'm not so sure that means Donaghy isn't telling the truth.

The fact of the matter is that over the course of human history, many whistle blowers haven't exactly had the purest of hearts. Sure, we'd like the people who inform us of things like massive political corruption or fixed NBA games to be upstanding do-gooders. But that's almost never the case.

Most often, whistle blowers expose a major scandal for one of two reasons: revenge or the threat of punishment. And sometimes, like in Donaghy's case, it's a bit of both.

And we only have to go back a few months to the McNamee and Clemens saga to see how this works. McNamee was the shifty, slimeball trainer making up stories for the Feds to get a shorter sentence while Clemens was the superstar hurler who - while steroid allegations had dogged him a bit through the years - was more or less given the benefit of the doubt. But McNamee kept talking, Clemens kept denying, and pretty soon, McNamee was right about pretty much everything, and Clemens had become the total slimeball.

And there are plenty of other examples of whistle blowers not having the purest of intentions. The most famous here in America is Deep Throat, aka Mark Felt, who basically took down the Nixon Administration because he was mad Nixon made another guy the head of the FBI.

Does that diminish what Felt did? Not in my mind. He still took down one of the most corrupt administrations in US history.

The point is that just because Donaghy is in serious trouble and trying to reduce his sentence, that doesn't mean he's a liar. Besides, why would he lie? He'll get charged with perjury if he's lying, which will only hurt him more.

In my mind, nothing Stern or anyone else says will change my mind about Donaghy's claims. I watched Game 6 with two friends back in 2002 from start to finish. There wasn't a doubt in our minds that game had been fixed for the Lakers. Just to recap, there were 27 4th quarter free throws for the Lakers. The Kings "committed" a ridiculous 31 personal fouls during the game. Almost every single Kings player was in foul trouble, including Chris "I hate contact" Webber. And to top it all off, the Lakers won by a slim 4 points.

It's pretty simple to me. Donaghy is telling the truth, even if he isn't the type of person we'd necessarily like to hear it from.
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6/11/08
6
I'll be -unusually-- serious here.  The Reasons for his canary act ain't "revenge or threat of punishment".  What Donaghy can be presumed to be seeking is a downward departure in the mandatory federal sentencing guidelines from a federal judge.  You get this by recommendation from and cooperating with the U.S. Attorney's office and giving them names, information and agreeing to testify against the parties you name.  Most of you saw this with the recent Mike Vick case where the feds use the threat of the sentencing guidelines to force all the smaller guys down the food chain flip on the bigger fish, and this flipping is the reason most whistleblowers are damaged goods from the get go.  The feds have seen plenty of liars over the years, so they must be investigating the credibility of Donaghy's assertions to keep him twisting this long or therwise they would have just chunked him in the can for the entire length of his sentence under the sentencing guidelines.  In other words, the U.S. Attorneys are being unusually slow or -more likely-- we probably aint heard the last of this...

6/11/08
2
Anyone who dismisses this right away 1) needs to go back and watch that game 6 (which I believe includes a game-winning 3 pointer shot WAY after the buzzer), and 2) remember how everyone who wrote off Canseco's allegations are now either eating crow or making vague apologies.

6/11/08
2

I think ultimately, we're all underestimating how hard it actually would be to pull off the fix.  Too many people would have to know too much information.  The fact that Donaghy knew about the fix, but didn't ref the game tells me that all the refs knew about this.  Don't you think that one of those refs would have anonymously leaked out this information? 

 

I do think though that this needs to be investigated thoroughly by somebody outside of the NBA.  These allegations are too serious for the NBA just to play around with.


6/11/08
3

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6/11/08
1
RedBirdRage wrote:
Anyone who dismisses this right away 1) needs to go back and watch that game 6 (which I believe includes a game-winning 3 pointer shot WAY after the buzzer), and 2) remember how everyone who wrote off Canseco's allegations are now either eating crow or making vague apologies.

Totally agree...the first thing I thought of after reading his allegations yesterday Jose Canseco.  But, sports is business.  Leagues and execs take the moral high ground in the media, but when push comes to shove, it's all either overlooked (most of the time) or manipulated (at the margin) in the name of the almighty dollar. 

 

The NCAA and US Olympic Committee are two other examples of sports leagues claiming higher purpose but really just motivated by money.


6/11/08
2
I couldn't agree more.  I think the NBA has been fixing games since Jordan was playing.  More ratings, more tickets sold, more advertisements sold on the networks.  David Stern is pretty filthy in my opinion.  Hopefully it comes to light how crooked he is. 

6/11/08
4
This post season will no doubt go 7 games too.  Its the storied Celtics Lakers rivalry.  Just watching last night's game the Lakers went to the line 22 times I think in one quarter.  They were out shooting the Celtics 28-4 or something at the free throw line in the first half. 

Pierce is sitting on the bench for some reason the majority of the second quarter and Garnett is 0-8 from the floor.

It appeared Ray Allen was the only one who didn't get the memo.  The Lakers will win the next two games and it will go 7 in Boston.  The refs will see to that. 

6/11/08
1

All about the money...enough said!!!


6/11/08
1

The NBA and NFL are fixed. It's not just the money and ratings that the NBA/NFL recieve through the networks, it's the millions upon millions of dollars that are wagered in sportbooks in the US and overseas.

 

Look at the last foul on Odom last night. 3 point play means the Lakers win by 9. Coincidence that the spread was 9 and that he was called for an offensive foul?

 

How many meaningless baskets and fouls when a game is all but over have you seen that allowed one team or another to cover a spread? People defend it, but those people need to pull their heads out.


6/11/08
6
I'll be -unusually-- serious here.  The Reasons for his canary act ain't "revenge or threat of punishment".  What Donaghy can be presumed to be seeking is a downward departure in the mandatory federal sentencing guidelines from a federal judge.  You get this by recommendation from and cooperating with the U.S. Attorney's office and giving them names, information and agreeing to testify against the parties you name.  Most of you saw this with the recent Mike Vick case where the feds use the threat of the sentencing guidelines to force all the smaller guys down the food chain flip on the bigger fish, and this flipping is the reason most whistleblowers are damaged goods from the get go.  The feds have seen plenty of liars over the years, so they must be investigating the credibility of Donaghy's assertions to keep him twisting this long or therwise they would have just chunked him in the can for the entire length of his sentence under the sentencing guidelines.  In other words, the U.S. Attorneys are being unusually slow or -more likely-- we probably aint heard the last of this...

6/12/08
1

Same way you fix basketball - phantom penalties. How many TD's have been called back for a hold that can be called on any play or that just plain didn't happen? How about the PI call in the Seahawks/Steelers superbowl?

 

Officials can manipulate these games with ease due to all of the judgement calls. Sometimes it's a bad call - sometimes it's a non call, but to think both officials and referees can't and don't alter the outcome of games is ridiculous.


6/12/08
1
(Edited by Chachi_Azzhola)
Nostrathomas wrote:

Same way you fix basketball - phantom penalties. How many TD's have been called back for a hold that can be called on any play or that just plain didn't happen? How about the PI call in the Seahawks/Steelers superbowl?

 

Officials can manipulate these games with ease due to all of the judgement calls. Sometimes it's a bad call - sometimes it's a non call, but to think both officials and referees can't and don't alter the outcome of games is ridiculous.

Good points.  It's not a cliche to say that you COULD make a holding call on every play if you wanted to.  I played in a game against a SEC school where we were certain the refs were hammering us.  A SEC school cheating? No way!!!

Like your pic of "Larry" from the old "Three's Company" show.


6/16/08
0
Nostrathomas wrote:

The NBA and NFL are fixed. It's not just the money and ratings that the NBA/NFL recieve through the networks, it's the millions upon millions of dollars that are wagered in sportbooks in the US and overseas.

 

Look at the last foul on Odom last night. 3 point play means the Lakers win by 9. Coincidence that the spread was 9 and that he was called for an offensive foul?

 

How many meaningless baskets and fouls when a game is all but over have you seen that allowed one team or another to cover a spread? People defend it, but those people need to pull their heads out.

You are outta your freakin mind!!!!

6/16/08
1
bayareabeast21 wrote:
You are outta your freakin mind!!!!
If you felt that strongly, you should have taken a shot at his stuff.  But, before you do, google up mafioso Michael Franzese, who explains how games were fixed backed when he was in the mafia.  Franzese is also sometimes a guest on Jim Rome's radio show...

 
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