Tebow doesn't have a shot in hell of being a pro QB.  Spread offenses rarely ever produce NFL QBs, which will be the one thing that scares some people about Colt McCoy and Sam Bradford.  If those two don't succeed in the NFL it will because of that.  Tebow doesn't even compare as a quarterback to those two to start with, and the fact that he runs the spread is the nail in the coffin to his NFL QB hopes.  Great college player, but nothing more.  Theres plenty of other guys who have been that too, so theres no reason to take any shame in that.

Tim I wish you luck, but I have a feeling that you are going to be the next big thing for the BC Lions.

Tim Tebow can big star in the NFL QB which can't make you a huge star . GOOD LUCK TO YOU.

 "Son, your ego is writing checks your body can't cash!"

Gee, every time I look at Tebow I see a muscle head, but I've always tried to give him the benefit of a doubt. Guess I should stick with my first instinct...

Finally someone in the National Media that realizes and tells the fans, and Tebow to his face, what Tebow truly is, a "System QB".  Is Tebow a great College QB?  Yes, but that does that mean he can be a great NFL QB.  Remember Charlie Ward, he won a Heisman Trophy as a QB, and was not even drafted in the NFL.  Danny Wuerffel, Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, and Jason White are all recent Heisman Trophy winners who were drafted as NFL QB's and proved to be unsuccessful in the NFL.  College Football is a different game than the NFL due to different style's of play.  I don't know if some of these QB's have big ego's, and think that since they were successful in the College that they would be successful in the NFL.  It could be that their coaches do not tell them that the system they are running in college does not  prepare them for the NFL.  As a result, there will be a higher learning curve compared to QB's that ran pro style sytems in college.  The current college QB that is considered "most prepared" for the NFL was not even on the map for the Heisman Trophy, Matt Statford of Georgia.

If Tebow wants to play in the NFL, then it seems that he needs to adjust his current mind set, and understand that he will need to play a different position.  If not, then he will end up like Eric Crouch who was dead set about playing QB, and turned down a chance to play Saftey for Green Bay because he was too stuborn to switch postions.

Hey Tim, watch that other QB, Bradford, on January 8th.  That is what you will need to do to make it in the big show.

He could do ok if he learns to stay in the pocket.  The NFL linebackers, ends, and corners hit a LOT harder and are much faster/smarter/meaner in the NFL.  If Tebow thinks he can go run around in the NFL like he does in college....his career will be shortened by too many concussions.

You compared Tebow with Gino Torretta.........You sir are ignorant.
I love when you use Kiper to prove a point to get more hits on the Q. But, lord knows you'll be bashing him come March. Occupational suicide indeed.
I think even the most avid Tebow bashers would concede two things as virtual truths: The NFL is nothing like college football and Tebow has the most unique skill set a QB has ever come out of college with.

Stafford doesn't have the guts to win in the NFL.
See: Matt Ryan. When the Falcons drafted him third overall I thought..."why?!"
He doesn't have the greatest arm, he can make all the throws, he is somewhat mobile but not a Vick by any means. NOW we know why. Ryan has guts and a nasty will to win.
I think Tebow has more fun in college and he stays at Florida. He needs motivation and I think money is far down his list of motivational factors.

 Anyone that thinks Tebow won't make it as a NFL QB is either a hater, hasn't watched him play with their eyes open.. OR like Mel Kiper and Todd McShay they believe that because they are clueless and they want to be on TV by saying something to get attention.

http://www.pnj.com/article/20081211/SPORTS/812110335

 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/peter_king/12/09/afcnorth/1.html

as I said in another poll...Clipboard Holder

I believe Colt McCoy has showed time after time he has the resiliency, accuracy, and leadership to become a NFL quarterback.

Tebow is not what he is because of the system. The system is what it is because of Tebow. You have to remember that he was the number QB recruit in the nation. It's not like he was a nobody that just looks good because of the team he is on. This guy is one of the hardest workers in college ball and a great leader. If he wants to be a pro quarterback, he will. Maybe it takes him 5 years before he is ready, who knows, but he will back up his words.

First of all we are talking about the same Mel krapper JR that said Ryan leaf will have a 14 year NFL career and Payton Manning  will never make it.. Where do all of you people get the notion he is arrogant and dumb, because he is going after his dream and wont let an idiot like Mel get in the way. The truth is no one knows how he are anyone will do in the pros. I can name you just as many college QBs who had all the talents and skills in the world who didn't make in the NFL as I can QBs who didn't have the best talents and skills and became great NFL QBs because what they lacked in talents the made up with Heart, determination and leadership all of which Tebow is second to none.

Please... this system has already produced a #1 overall draft pick. I hate Urban Meyer, but his system made Tim Tebow, not the other way around.

Tebow an NFL QB?? ROTFLMFAO.  He can be a TE and lineup now and then at the Wildcat formation back.  That's what he is.  From there he can run a couple sneaky pop pass players...  He has zero chance of dropping back and throwing on NFL defenses, though.  Not one part of his game suggests he could.  He can't throw a decent 20 yard pass in college with a better system and better receivers and better line than his opponent almost every week. 

If he's stubborn about being a QB he is literally no more than HEFTY LEFTY, the sequel. 
Depending on his hands he could be a real nice TE prospect; like a very slow Vernon Davis with a head on his shoulders.

 Alex Smith's conference produced him.. not Urban Meyer.   Put Alex Smith in the SEC in Meyer's system playing like Tebow and you would have no championships and Alex Smith in the hospital. Same with Colt MCCoy.  

Vince Young is a product of a system more than Tebow is.  Colt McCoy is putting up better numbers than Vince Young and Colt has ZERO physical  tools.  And neither of them could do anywhere near what Tebow is doing in the SEC.

Let me ask you this.. Let's pretend Tebow ISN'T the greatest player in college football history.. let's pretend he can't run and can't pass... and his success is completely attributed to Meyer and his talented team.. so then let's pretend you put a truly great player in Tebow's postion.. how good would the Gators be?  They would have won a championship every year of Tebow's career?  Even with a horrible defense last season? And no runningback?  They have the most potent offense now.. how good would it be with a truly great player?  Woudl they score on every single possession with a truly great player in Tebow's position running on every down?  Does this mean Urban Meyer is the gretast coahc in history?

Do the Gators have the most talented cast of role players complementing Tebow in history?  How else do you explain this domiannce?

It doesn't malke sense. You don't gt more dominant than the Gators are offensively... and it's not because of the talent around Tebow. It's because of Tebow.  If it was the talent around Tebow then the Gators would have been great offensively before Tebow got there and before he was playing full time. .. they weren't They won the championship with their defense.

Ok Ive been arguing this for awhile now and proved my point time and time again during UF games. Here it goes
1) Tebow is one of the most inaccurate QB's in the main media. Watch him throw the ball in game time situations and he is all over the place not only with his spiral but placement.
2) He holds the ball way too long which MEANS guys like DeMarcus Ware, Joey Porter and others will be on his ass quicker than he can think and his face will be in the dirt.
3) Now lets pretend he got rid of the ball... It leaves it up in the air for too long.
4) Now lets pretend he runs the ball: Hes slower than Vick, Young and others and his size does not mean anything unless he hits everytime he touches the ball like Brandon Jacobs etc.
5) He has not taken a ball from under center since before HS.
6) Ryan Leaf was a number one QB too and look at that. It doesnt mean anything.
7) Recruiting is like the draft, you never know.
8) Tebow IS a product of the system because he has been in it since highschool dont even try that garbage that the system is him.
9) He is a great leader but when you take away the run game in the NFL Tebow is screwed. 
10) His jump pass isnt only a pick but also a blown knee (hopefully hes not dumb enough to try it)
11) With most of that (off the top of my head) What team besides the Lions would gamble on that?

Hes not a great QB at all. College player is different. But when you are playing with the best of the best then things change, the game is faster, and with a guy who holds the ball too much and doesnt have proper velocity or form has to rush things then bad things happen.

Dont even try to say "Haters" about this. Just because someone says something about the Tebow family doesnt mean they are haters

And tooweirdtolive...Are you kidding? Meyer introduced a different system and from then on the offense came. Fast players were not the formula for UF until Ron Zook came in then it was half the formula then Meyer put it to Full throttle. Dont even try to claim that junk. 

I watch him play every week (um, with my eyes open). He won't make a great NFL QB.

Usually its the delusional UF fans that believe Tebow is the best thing that ever happened to football. They usually dont even know who Alex Brown is or Brock Berlin lol. Guys who forget Channing Crowder was at UF, or Fred Taylor. In other words, bandwagoners.

I had a conversation with several UF alum last night at the Jaguar game and they even admitted Tebow would suck as an NFL QB. No one argued. They also unprovokely admited that "gator fans" these days are annoying ignorant assholes that give real alum a bad name. Interesting.

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Hmmm... I wonder if learning how to throw a spiral might help Tebow in the NFL?  Probably not.  He'll just overcome it because he's so super. 

Hate on Tebow all you want but the bottom line is all of you would would love to have him on you're team. You can deny that fact all you want, but jealousy is very easy to spot!

tooweird to live has the arguement all wrong. everyone KNOWS tebow is a great college player, thats not the point. no one here is saying the gators suck or that tebow sucks with the gators. you dont need to give an arguement on the side that the gators are good because of tebow. you need to give an arguement that tebows game would translate from the collegiate level to the highest professional level like Matt Ryans did, or Peyton Mannings did. Tebow is great at the collegiate level, even better than Manning was. Hell, Manning never even beat UF, but everyone knew that Manning would be a great NFL player. Tebow just isn't one (prematurely) destined to be a great NFL QB.

With the right coaching and guidance he may one day be a good NFL QB, but not out of the gate. Even with another year under his belt he will probably go in the third or fourth round. There's just too many other better choices at the QB position and most teams need other positions filled than QBs anyway, besides which those teams are better off picking up a veteran QB whose already played in the league.

I'm pretty sure Oklahoma, Texas, and Texas Tech definitely don't want him on their team.  Same probably goes for Georgia, or any school that doesn't run a spread.

Thank you,

tooweirdtolive, before I even respond to youre arguments im going to say PLEASE pay attention to your god forsaken typing. I dont feel like doing a puzzle when it comes to a debate.

Tebow throws ugly passes when they are DOWN IN THE GAME. Obviously you dont watch with unbiased eyes. Im sure you love Tebow, I dont care about that. This is NFL talk. Not college. There are certain games that translate to the NFL such as Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. If you would like I could give you a pretty good idea of what players like Tebow do in the NFL. They fail. Young was benched to a gray beard. Vick never had true consistant success nor did any true "scrambling QB" if thats what you want to call him when we categorize.

In response to:
1) What you are implying is that he is simply a runner. Tebow has been a part of this type of system since he was recruited by Nease Highschool. If you can find a runner that has been a part of the same type of style then I will say yes. I know its hard but try please try to watch one game without a bias and thinking "oh he doesnt have to throw it nice" Lets make this clear: To an NFL franchise he has to PROVE he can do such things. He has to PROVE he can throw accurately

2) Numbers in college dont translate to NFL numbers when are you going to get this through your homer head? Defensive players in the NFL are smarter, faster and hell of a lot more athetlic than in college. Best of the Best and he will not be able to roll with that type of fast paced game coming from a spread offense.

3) This argument has no value. It does not address the issue at hand. Instead you try to throw some bs crap out there.

4) Sir you are wrong about this faster thing. Im not talking about the 40. Vick and Young are more elusive and can dodge a hell of alot easier than Tebow ever can. Let him take hits in the NFL see what happens. They wont miss his knee caps like college players do.

5) Mike Shula is not DON Shula and that does not help your case at all kid. Honestly that fact alone is incredibly unattractive and instead of admitting to any of these you claim this kid is superman without a weakness. Wake up. Peyton Manning has a weakness. Brett Favre has a weakness. You are clearly in denial.

8) Ok did you ever see Tebow play in HS? Im in Jacksonville Ive seen him play. It was not relying on deep throws. It was TEBOW running the ball. Know your facts please. His passing yards were garbage yards he kept the ball most of the game.

9) Tebow is not the one opening lanes. Just stop. When Harvin catches the screen Tebow is far away at that point and Harvin gets great yards after the catch. His NFL status is a different argument but lies with the likes of Hester and Ted Ginn. NFL and college are different and you need to start studying that difference just like Tebow does.

10) Biggest difference maker in college. He will try to run and get trampled. He will not expect a DeMarcus Ware, Jason Taylor or any of those guyswhen he tries that for the first and only time if he ever gets a chance to play QB in the NFL.

11) Im really sick of saying this but the NFL style does not flourish that much in the NCAA. Tom Brady wasnt that great in college. Nor was Brees, or Romo, or Big Ben. You need to realize that its the style of play not the stats. No one cares about stats in college when you are in the NFL. No one. Period.

Haters) "But you've got major questions because if you're going to run him 15 times a game, how long will he last before they break him in half?" Thanks he doesnt know if he said "yea he can do it", then its different. BB is not going to go on record in saying Tebow cant do it. Thats bad PR.

As a Dolphin fan I dont want Tebow with the Clipboard. Or even wanting to play QB on that team. Its not hating him its realistic. Realistic to the talent level in the NFL and style of play. Guys are too fast and too smart in the NFL the spread WILL NOT WORK. Wildcat worked for 3 weeks and then died off because of the football intelligence in the NFL. Danny Wuerfel was awesome in college like Chris Weinke and Jason White.

So now you are readin Bellichick's mind?  If he didn't think Tebow could make it he would say Tebow can't make it. Or he likely wouldn't say anything at all. 

You can take any of these running QBs such as BigBen.. David Garrard, Vince Young.. Donovan McNabb.. you name it. Tebow was better at the same age. WAY better.  Tebow doesn't have to run his style to be successful.  The bottom line is that Tebow is the most durable QB to ever play the game.. that will give him a HUGE advantage no matter what style he runs.  

As for saying Vince was more elusive than Tebow.. yea.. against soft defenses in which a completely unathletic Mccoy is putting up the same numbers.  Let Vince try to dance around in the SEC like that.. he would get his spine broken.  Tebow just makes it look easy. It's not.   I can show you an article where a Hawaii linebacker says how elusive Tebow is for his size.. and how guys never really get a good shot on him. He will make it look easy in the pros too. 

The mistake you are making is to say that because Tebow only does "this" in college he can't dfo "that" in the pros. But the only reason Tebow doesn't do "this" in college is because he doesn't have to.. he domiantes just doing "that"..

People thought the same thing after Tebow's freshman year.  Meyer ONLY used Tebow as a runner. Rarely used his passing.  So people assumed Tebow couldn't pass.  Tebow set the state record for passing yards in highschool.  Tebow was an excellent passer. for whatever reason though Meyer chose to use that only rarely.. I think to prevent a full blown Qb controversy. people were irrate tebow wasn't starting anyway. if they saw him passing it would have been a civil war.  This is why Tebow exploded his first season starting. I think this is where the stigma that Tebow can't pass comes from. People just assume this must be some gimmick.. because he supposedly couldn't pass his first year. And this is the same reaosn people think Tebow can't pass now.. because just like in his first seaosn he doesn' need to pass. He doesn't need to take the risks other Qbs take.. because he is just that good. His running is so domiannt you would be stupid not to use that and play a passing game.  Plus teams are taking the pass away because Gators will put up 60 on you if you don't, At least if you make the Gators run you have a chance,.  This is why the Gators runners look so incredible.

The other thing you are misisng is that in the past when Danny W was a great QB there wasn't the athletic parity there is now.  Offenses were way more dominant in the SEC.  Just like in the Big12 where the teams are more watered down. In the Big12 the offenses have all the talent and the defenses stink because they don't have equal athletes.  This isn't the case in the SEc.. the SEC is like the NFL now.. the defenses have athletes as great as the offenses now.  This is WHY Tebow will translate and past UF Qbs wouldn't.

It's the Big12 Qbs that are going to bust for this reason.. and you will see that in the NCG when Bradford gets beat on worse than Colt Brennan.

Look at matt Stafford and Moreno in the SEC.  That shows you the athlti parity in the SEC.  These guys got beatdown. Put Georgia in the Big12 and they make OU look like Mizzou. Put Tebow in the Big12 like colt Brennan and he looks like he literally COULD walk on water.  so anyway.. this is why Tebow will translate so well.  He ISN'T overrated.. if anything he is underrated playing SEC defenses just like Peyton manning was.. when Kiper said he wouldn't make it in the NFL.

Read what this guy says.. he knows.. he was a NFL coach.. he knows more than you halfwits or Mel freakin Kiper knows..

http://www.pnj.com/article/20081211/SPORTS/812110335

Also.. I ahve to ask. did you guys watch Tebow last season? When he had to be more agressive offensively?  He was throwing the ball around as much or more than anyone in college football.. he threw more deep balls than anyone.. this is why I keep telling you.. just because Tebow doesn't HAVE to do it doesn't mean he can't.. it's because he is so great that he doesn't.. which is also why he only has 2 freakin interceptions..

 So now you are readin Bellichick's mind?  If he didn't think Tebow could make it he would say Tebow can't make it. Or he likely wouldn't say anything at all. 

Earth to Tebow....You have a linebacker-safety mentality for applying contact. The last time you threw a touch pass will be the first time.

 toweirdtolive = weird arguments that have no point  

With players like Tebow it doesn't matter who's on the team you want his heart , determination , leadership and play making ability on the Field.

I betcha Auburn would have liked to have him....lol... you guys are getting way too dogmatic on both sides...I think EVERY CFA team would like to have a player like Tebow on their team

tooweirdtolive, if you think NFL teams want a player with Tebow's stle over a player with McCoys, Bradfords, or (even more NFL worthy) Graham Harrells, then you are derranged.

8) Ok did you ever see Tebow play in HS? Im in Jacksonville Ive seen him play. It was not relying on deep throws. It was TEBOW running the ball. Know your facts please. His passing yards were garbage yards he kept the ball most of the game            
That's false and you know it. Tebow HOLDS THE FHSAA RECORD FOR MOST PASSING YARDS in Florida history. So, what you are saying is ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL those yards were 'garbage" yards?!! That's flat out BS.

11) Im really sick of saying this but the NFL style does not flourish that much in the NCAA. Tom Brady wasnt that great in college. Nor was Brees, or Romo, or Big Ben. You need to realize that its the style of play not the stats.
Absolutely dead on. Where did Tyler Thigpen go to college? Joe Flacco? Ben Roethlisberger? Jay Cutler? Kurt Warner? Everyone talks about Tebow's great work ethic. Really? The guy seems the same as he was as a freshman. Those aforementioned QB's probably worked their tails off to get better every day and NFL teams are starting to figure out that mentally a QB either has it or doesn't. I'm not sure that Tebow has the mentality required to succeed as an NFL QB.

Auburn would take anybody lol

Flacco the prestigious powerhouse of Delaware.

If you watched a full HS game you know he runs first himself then passes. Those pass yards were a result of the teams playing the run. Now that is a tremendous thing to be that versitile in HS and CFB but the NFL has a completly different style of play where pocket passers succeed. Ex: Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Eli Manning. Romo, Big Ben, McNabb, Garrard and others pass the ball first and stay in the pocket. They dont hold on to the ball for eternity and they can throw a perfect style (in case anyone wants to try to compare Tim to those QB's) Which reminds me Where did any of those players attend college? What stats did they break? Not many people know that or have seen most of them play in CFB. Big Ben went to Ohio University, Randy Moss went to Marshall. Style of play is the name of the game in the NFL and its annoying how people dont look at that. Instead they think because someone succeeds at the lower level that automatically means they can at the next. Throw away the accuracy cause thats pish posh, just like him not being able to throw a spiral or take a snap from under center. Style of play.

 I bet there are a LOT of "weird" arguments you don't get.... like... ALL of them...

"""If you watched a full HS game you know he runs first himself then passes. Those pass yards were a result of the teams playing the run."""

This is what I am trying to explain to you but you just aren't getting.. JUST because Tebow CAN do that highschool and college doesn't mean he HAS to do that.

Look at Stafford.. he is supposed to be the best ppro prospect in college football.. he has a great team around him and a stellar runningback.. and he STIlLL couldn't do anything in college.   So if STAFFORD.. who is supposed to be so greta STILL can't win just passign the ball.. then why are you faulting Tebow because the Gators aren't going to try to rely on passing the ball?  And it isn't because Stafford sucks.. it is just because defenses are that good.  So you are punishing Tebow just because he has an alternative to passing.

But again.. just because Tebow DOESN'T HAVE to pass doesn't mean he can't.  As you saw in the Alabama game when he HAS to pass he picked that defense apart with pinpoint accuracy.

And people who say Tebow has a slow release.. watch the TD passes Tebow throws to win thatAlabama  game.. he had a lightning fast release and was throwng lasers.  

This AGAIN shows you what I am saying.. just because there are times when Tebow uses a slow release.. DOESN'T mean he can't use a quick release.. he is using the motion for the given pass. If he KNOWS his receiver is going to be open then he doesn't use the fast release.. this is just like Meyer not using Tebow's apssing ability his freshman year doesn't mean he can't pass.

Whoa are you SERIOUS!? The Alabama game is a perfect example on how inaccurate he is. Oh dear god did he throw wobbly inaccurate passes. Watch the whole game. The problem with you "tebow" fans are that you are incredibly delusional and blind to the truth. You claim he doesnt "have to throw accurate passes" or "he doesnt have to do this" NFL scouts have not seen him do that so they will NOT take a chance on an unproven guy Who is to say he can keep up with the game in the NFL if he hasnt done it in college. Its not Tebows fault its Meyers and Nease HS's fault. Period. I can throw a fast ball but a one TD throw does not make him a legit NFL passer. Those TD's were also painfully ugly and the only reason he got any TDs was because he WR's would lay out for a terrible pass. You are one of the only morons who think those passes were accurate that game. Heres a Bama game example. Tebow had cooper wide open to lay it in his hands for a TD and instead Cooper had to slow down and STILL reach behind himself to catch the ball. Which was a miracle in itself. Please pay attention to the throw not just a completion. Anyone can throw bullets but they were inaccurate and on the ground. I can give credit to the WR's of UF because they have dealt with some pretty ugly and wobbly throws.

You are pathetic. Not just me but other people have agreed that it is the style of play that helps you succeed in the NFL. In fact Ive named several people who went to college you probably never heard of because your vision is Gator and Gator only. Success in CFB does not mean success in pro's. No success in CFB does not mean no success in the NFL. Flacco, Romo, Big Ben, Garrard, etc. Im done arguing with you cause your blind as hell and cant realize the difference between the levels and its rather sad.

Meyer ruined Tebows chances, not Tim. You insist on filling gaps of tebows game with pathetic arguments such as "he never needed to do that"

I have a better rebuttal for you just say "So?" and i'll have a little more respect for you.

 Let's see what the Big12 QBs syle is when they don't have a offensive line that can protect them and give them 10 minutes to throw every pass. It will be called the "injured style" in the NFL...  Like I said.. put Tebow in the Big12 and you would see  he is a BETTER passer than the Big12 QBs.. though people would still probably knock him just because he does it with an unconventional looking throwing motion and he would be crushing those Big12 defenses even more when he felt like it...

That is a great mental experiment.. pretend you put Tebow in a weaker conference where he could run even more easilty.. and he was putting up running numbers no one had ever seen and completely destroying defenders in the process. So much so he didn't even need to pass whatsoever.. what do you think people would be saying then?  They would say he just gets away with that because he plays weak competition.. even though we now know he can do it against the best SEC teams..

So this illustrates that just becasue Tebow CAN destroy teams in the SEC.. it doesn't mean he couldn' do it with his arm too.. he would just be stupid to do that when his team can be even better running.  Stafford has a great arm AND runningback and he still can't win just by passing the ball.. do you get it now? I don't know any other way I can say it.. you can lead a horse to water but you can't make them think..

Here.. I will  try again. did you see how Stafford lost this season? Georgia still stunk right? even with stafford andf Moreno.. but what IF stafford could run like Tebow?  What if Stafford could run a 4.5 and bench 460 like Tebow.. and knew he could get his Georgia team to win running the ball like Tebow.. so let's say he did that.. then what would people say about Stafford?  They would say the same thing they do about Tebow.. only they would say what a pretty throwing motion he has but he is just an idiot and has HORRIBLE passer instincts.. or they would say he's a choker and can't pass the ball..  they would say he has no heart he is just a dumb slow runner.. 

Also what if Stafford could run like Tebow.. what would that do for his own passing? It would open his receivers much more.. he would be kiling teams with the pass just like Tebow did last season.  So then what would teams do?  They would do the same thing to Stafford they did to Tebow.. they would dare him to run the ball because he was killing them with the pass. this would make Moreno look even more incredible because all the defenders sitting on the pass..

But guess what.. it would make Stafford look like a much worse passer because his team would be dominating running the ball so much..  So you would be hearing the same criticisms of stafford's passing you do of Tebow.. just because he chose not to pass the ball AND because the defenses were trying to take the pass away because it was the only way to slow their offense down..

 """Whoa are you SERIOUS!? The Alabama game is a perfect example on how inaccurate he is. Oh dear god did he throw wobbly inaccurate passes."""

So because Tebow doesn't put a perfect spin on his ball you think this means he is inaccurate?  You just lost all credibility. If Tebow has no accuracy then how did he his Louise Murphy in stride for a 50  yard pass? THE ONLY thing Tebow doesn't do is throw perfect spirals.. big deal.. who cares? Tery bradhsow did the same thing.. didn't ,seem to hurt him any!  This just shows how people criticize Tebow because he is so good.  They assume he must suck just because he runs the way he does... also.. I have that alabama game recorded.. and again.. when he has to he lasered the ball in there with perfect spirals.. and lightning quick release... do you want me to edit and post it? Or will you simply bury your head in the sand in denial?

"""Watch the whole game. The problem with you "tebow" fans are that you are incredibly delusional and blind to the truth. You claim he doesnt "have to throw accurate passes""""

I never said that liar.. I just said he doesn't have to use a perfect release.. one criticism of Tebow is people say he doesn't have an arm.. Tebow has a cannon.. he has said since highschool his problem is taking heat off the ball.  His receivers are the ones that can't catch his balls because he throws them so hard.  In the pros that won't be a problem... he can let it fly..

"""or "he doesnt have to do this" NFL scouts have not seen him do that so they will NOT take a chance on an unproven guy Who is to say he can keep up with the game in the NFL if he hasnt done it in college."""

Tebow is runnign the most complex offense in college football.. runnign the option yuo have to make countless decisions in an instant.. Alabama said they dodn't understand how they ran such a compelex offense.. an Tebow runs it all. And Tebow HAS shown he can make th passe she needs to when he needs to..  he just doesn't HAVE to do it all the time.. fi he did he would be playign the capital One bowl(?) with Georgia.. and yes.. some teams might be idiots and not realize he can do those things he just hasn't had to... but I bet there are some teams that get it.. and Peter King's article where he says Tebow will be a high pick and NFL coaches rave about him.. Intelligent people understand you don't do what th Gators are doing by accident... I bet these people keep quiet too because they want Tebow to fall to them. They may even say tebow sucks hoping people pass on him too.

"""Its not Tebows fault its Meyers and Nease HS's fault. Period. I can throw a fast ball but a one TD throw does not make him a legit NFL passer. Those TD's were also painfully ugly and the only reason he got any TDs was because he WR's would lay out for a terrible pass."""

LOL  This is also somehting Tebow does.. he alsways puts the ball in a position where it won't be intercepted.. that's not an accident.. If you atch the game you see he did the same thing consistently pass after pass.. if he sucked how do you explain the consistency? and see.. now youa re saying it is just Tebow's receivers that is great.. "it's just Meyer that is great" "it's just Harvin that is great.. on and on... listen to yourself .. LOL Tebow just happens to be a freak and the luckiest person int eh world too.. haha

"""You are one of the only morons who think those passes were accurate that game. Heres a Bama game example. Tebow had cooper wide open to lay it in his hands for a TD and instead Cooper had to slow down and STILL reach behind himself to catch the ball."""

One bad play.. in game where Tebow is compeltely carrying the team and has incredible pressure on him.. see.. he makes it look so easy you think it is easy.. it's you that is the idiot.. haha

"""Which was a miracle in itself. Please pay attention to the throw not just a completion. Anyone can throw bullets but they were inaccurate and on the ground. I can give credit to the WR's of UF because they have dealt with some pretty ugly and wobbly throws."""

You have lost all credibility.  You prove that the Tebow critics are just jealous haters. All you can say is Tebow throws a wobbly ball.. He still throws it laser fast and right on the money..

"""You are pathetic. Not just me but other people have agreed that it is the style of play that helps you succeed in the NFL. In fact Ive named several people who went to college you probably never heard of because your vision is Gator and Gator only. Success in CFB does not mean success in pro's. No success in CFB does not mean no success in the NFL. Flacco, Romo, Big Ben, Garrard, etc. Im done arguing with you cause your blind as hell and cant realize the difference between the levels and its rather sad."""

And success in college doesn't mean you are going to fail in the pros.. only an idiot would think that... the only reason successful players stink in the pros is because they are the top pick they go to the worst teams with horrible talent and leadership. This is why Tebow going low will help him.. and guys like Bradford and McCoy who ARE system QBs and overratd will be the huge busts because they wil go to terrible teams..

"""Meyer ruined Tebows chances, not Tim. You insist on filling gaps of tebows game with pathetic arguments such as "he never needed to do that" 

I have a better rebuttal for you just say "So?" and i'll have a little more respect for you. """

so what you are saying is Tebow should have gone to Alabam and ended up being like Stafford..a  great pssser whose team loses and just not run the ball like Tebow has the ability to do?

Keep deluding yourself that Tebow won't make it.. Tebow is a domiant version of Ben Roethlisberger or David Garrard.. and he wil be a better pro version too.. as Peter King says.. there are NFL coaches a lot smarter than you or Mel Kiper and they get it.. 

Tebow's career stats

TD -INT is 65 to 9
completion % 66.1
Passer rating 183.64
Yards 6,159
Yeah these are the stats of an inaccurate QB. Oh by the way he also has 43 rushing TDs that's 108 total for those of you who can't count Just because he does not throw for 5000 yards and 40+ TD every year or that he doesn't trow the tightest spiral does not mean he will suck in the NFL that's just plain dumb.
 
I don't know if he will be a great or even a good NFL QB, but neither does anyone eles. All that is going on in this thread is a bunch of Gator haters trying to make them selves fell better by putting down a great player because the are jealous. It's really pretty sad.

Why don't you get your facts straight before you start a debate.  Stafford did not directly cause Georgia to lose, Georgia's defense did.  Against Alabama they allowed 31 points in the 1st half and 41 total points, against Florida they allowed 49 points, and Georgia did not have an answer to GTech's rushing attack when they allowed 26 points in the 3rd Quarter and 45 total points.  In the Alabama and Florida game, Stafford was playing from behind, thus the defense knew Georgia was going to have to pass if they wanted to win the game.  As a result, when a defense knows when you will have to pass the ball, they have the advantage and it places more pressure on the QB.  As a result, a QB does not preform as well.

Guess what?  There is a stat that Stafford is better in when compared to Tebow, leading his team to wins while trailing in the 4th Quarter.  Stafford threw game winning TD passes in 4th quarter of the Kentucky and Auburn game.  Tebow, only has 1, and that was against Alabama in the SEC Title Game (he would have had 2 if Ole Miss didn't block the extra point).

 

I don't think you are getting the fact that Tebow was the most sought after QB recruit out of high school. He would have had an outstanding college career no matter what school he chose to go to.

 """Why don't you get your facts straight before you start a debate.  Stafford did not directly cause Georgia to lose, Georgia's defense did."""

Here's your problem. The lines in the NFL: pretty damn good. The line for UF: pretty damn good. So what's your point? Is it that Tebow doesn't have a good line so he has to run when he has open players down field? Because I'm here to tell you (from someone who has watched Tebow's every game) that Tebow does NOT look for second and third recievers. He only goes on whether his first choice is open before tucking it away and running. Tebow is the type of player that would rather make an amazing run for 11 yards and give up a typical not-to-flashy 15 yard pass. It makes him look good, but doesn't give his team the best available play. He's just a highlight-reel machine.

His line is amazing, that's why he can run. I personally know the Pouncey twins from high school. They will make great NFL players. I know Chris Rainey from HS and he will make a terrible NFL player. He broke records at Lakeland and won three 5A state championships (which would have been lost without him) in 4 years against tough St. Thomas Aquinas teams. The reason he will make a bad RB in the NFL: he's too small. He's faster than an average NFL running back, but he's a lot smaller. The best RBs have size AND speed.

Tebow: he can run the ball well, but he can't pass at the NFL level. The best QBs in the NFL can scramble AND pass (and if they can't scramble then they can pass really freaking well or else they wouldn't be trusted with the ball). When football becomes a business, teams don't want QBs who solely depend on their running game and take unneccessary hits. They want players who deliver the ball to the WRs that they pay millions to for the sole reason of catching the ball, maybe getting some yards atc, and, consequently, taking a hit.

You see, in the NFL (which is what we're talking about....you know, not the NCAA teams that you're talking about, but the professional NFL teams.....not the NCAA....as in not Georgia as a team or OU as a team, but the players on those teams as individuals) a QB has to pass with razor sharp accuracy and more importantly, consistency. In the NFL, recievers and covered better and they rely more on timed plays where they have to have the ball exactly where they EXPECT it to be at THAT EXACT second. Tebow will have to work very hard to acquire not only the skills, but the confidence to play a totally different style. That's what NFL scouts determine in a QB: who can adapt the best and overcome the confidence issues quicker. That's why Matt Ryan is such a great pick for a team that desperately needed a first round QB. Tebow is not a first round QB pick. He has played a different style offense than the NFL's his entire life. The adaptation will be his undoing if he is played prematurely. Like I've said earlier: With the right coaching and guidance (add patience to the list), he may ONE DAY be a decent - good QB at the professional level. He's smart, everyone in this discussion has to give him that (if you don't then you are just a Hater, not an unbiased analyst), but he is not patient, he's never had to wait to start.

Exactly. The NFL isnt about what you did yesterday. It about what can do you for them in their style. Its about style of play and multi talents. Such as: passing and running at the same time in a pin point accurate manner (Tony Romo, who has a fantastic completion and QB rating on the run outside of the pocket). Or with a HB its Size and Speed. An all down back. Reggie Bush is not what he was in college, in fact, I dont take the guy seriously. Jason White was largely celebrated going into the NFL. Well now he isnt playing. Alex Smith as well. Dont forget about Leinhart either.

ok No Garrard isnt working. Unfortunately I saw every home game in person at JMS this year.

You are so delusional, you think Tebow is flawless and you have yet to admit that he has flaws and negatives to his game. Jason Taylor is getting 8 million a year and look at his production. Dont try to use contract and how big they are to prove any point cause it wont work. And no he does not look at his 2nd and 3rd WR. Show me where he talks about it. Show me. Instead of you throwing out all these things he said prove he said it. We arent the only ones saying this. Scouts are saying this, Kiper, McShay. Sure they are wrong at times but I'd like to see your ass doing their job and being right 100%. Fact is they talk to other scouts, to teams about certain players and have studied enough to film to fully grasp what is successfull in the NFL. Sure they could be wrong but your points are based upon faith and not reality. You have YET to have a realistic point. And Tebow played spread in HS he got the ball from the shotgun. That just erased everything you so called know about Tim. Having a conversation with your homer ass is pointless because you cant get a grip on reality.

 People are saying that Tebow is the best football player they have ever seen.. and it's not because Tebow's running ability.  If it was you could put any idiot back there who could run and not throw.  Tebow is as great a passer as he is a runner if not more so.  If he wasn't how the heck would he be domianting last season and this season when he doesn't even have a true runningback? It amazes me how people have no understanding of how football works. 

You are saying I give Tebow too much credit.. you aren't giving him any credit.   It seems like the better Tebow plays and more he accomplishes the worse the perception of him gets.. it's bizarre. Now he is being called Tyler Hansborough. LOL


Tebow is not Tyler Hansborough.. if he is anyone he is LeBron James.. and just like LeBron.. passing on Tebow because of his throwing mechanincs would be like passing on LeBron because of a cr@ppy jumper..

The reality is that people's negative points about Tebow are based on PESSIMISM.. not reality.

And you just erased everything you know about Tim.. Sam Bradford runs a spread too.. that hasn't hurt his NFL prospects.. Tebow ran a more passs heavy spread in highschool which was why he broke the state record for passing yards.. That's the whole reason he went to Nease to be in a pass heavy offensel..  LOL

And Garrard must be doing something right.. he just signed a 60 million dollar contract... And he isn't half as talented as Tebow.. and he is almost twice as old as him..

http://www.gainesville.com/article/20080829/NEWS/808290240



http://www.pnj.com/article/20081211/SPORTS/812110335

This guy in the link above was an NFL coach.. he says the same thing I do.. people who knock Tebow just do it because they don't believe someone can be as good as he is. Especially when so many guys have busted before.  But no one has done what Tebow has done. So how can people claim they know what he willd do?  

The funny thing is that all these people that pretend they know what Tebow will do in the pros.. how many of them saw how good Tebow would be in college? None of them. So why shuld we listen to them now?

 lol

Don't blame me!  I have to correct all this stuff people make-up about the best player in football!

tim tebow is fat

 It's true,... Tebow is fat.. which is why he was the first non-pro ever on Men's Fitness...

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_5mxw-sYc_F0/SLJVu29a1HI/AAAAAAAAQww/cLX62p5PnkQ/s1600-h/1sun240002.jpg

 People are talking about him as the best player in college football history.. but he's not the best player even this season?? LMAO

I agree he is not the best player in the country he is the second best player, and he is not even the best player in the SEC he is not even the best player on his team. The best player in the country is Percy Harvin, which proves numbers aren't every thing.

 Coaches are saying Tebow is the best college player they have ever eeen too.... he's their most favorite person the the whole world as well... lol

  andilee0308, what is your avatar from? I love stopmotion.. is that Aardman?

You saw Namath play in college???.......um....uh......How ..uh I know it's not polite so I guess I won't ask......how o ....l.......
Alright I'll figure it out myself...one more time You saw Namath PLAY in COLLEGE at ALABAMA!???????

Thats why I've ignored the last thing the kid even typed. It goes to show you that an uneducated and closed mind homer is by far the worst "fan" to have a small discussion with not just a debate. Apparently TT is the first human to have no flaws at all We should all feel so lucky to witness "the fifth element" on a football field! (sarcasm)

 In essence you are right.. as a QB Tebow is the most well rounded QB ever.  Which is why he gives his team such a huge advantage. And that will be true in the pros just as much as in college.

As for being a homer.. that;'s ridiculous.  It's just a matter of whether I am right or not. So far I have been dead on about Tebow.  I have been saying how great he was from day one.  It's all of the doubters that are the slow learners.  They said Tebow would NEVER be able to do what he has done in the SEC.  Now it's the NFL.. the more things chang the more they stay the same.. now people act as if doing what Tebow did in the SEC was easy. LOL   The fact he makes it look so easy is why he is so great and why he will translate to the pros.

You are so terrible at arguing. No one ever said he was bad in the NCAA or that what he did was easy in the SEC. (Besides which discredits everything you said these expert "people" have said.) You are still not understanding the argument. It has NOTHING to do with his NCAA career.

You know what, I'm not going to hold back any more. You straight up do NOT know what youre talking about in the least. You make up facts and guess at points that have never been even remotely close to true. You say that Tebow doesn't have a true runningback? That's because he has 4 running back that share the position. Rainey has MORE yards than Tebow. Demps has MORE yards the Tebow. Harvin has AS MANY yards as Tebow. You OVERRATE Tebow. Moody is the fourth back and he only has 100 yards less than Tebow. This means you're also WRONG about UF's awesome OL. Tebow = 500 yards rushing. The other players playing from the RB position total well over 2,000 yards. Demps, Harvin, or Rainey could also run in Tebows countless one yard strikes in one attempt that take Tebow 2 or 3 sometimes. So STUFF IT.

Oh yeah, Tebow isn't even the best player on his team. Percy Harvin is the best player on the Gators (and the rest of the NCAA). The reason he didn't get any heisman draw? Because they don't give it to players who are kind of Running Backs/ kind of Receivers.

The only teams in the SEC with a defense this year besides FL is Alabama and Ole Miss. One of those teams beat the Gators, the other didn't do enough on offense.

Don't reply to this message I know what you're going to say: "Tebow is the best, yada yada yada, I wish I was a woman and Tebow was straight so I could have his kids, yada yada yada, I don't know anything unbiased about UF or NCAAF or the NFL, yada yada yada, Tebow for the cover of Time Magazine, yada yada yada, I have a lot to learn about a lot."

UT had a damn fine defense it was just the offense that put them in shitty situations. Also being on the field twice as much as they should have been with a real QB (not Crompton or Stephens) Can Tee Martin come back? lol

You excited about getting Monte?

Yeah. Defense is going to be the best in the nation. But im still worried about the offense. Who is going to take over at QB? I hope to every god there ever was and is that Crompton is kicked off by Lane. That and OC is still unknown. Next year will be interesting. Bucs replaced Monte it seems! How about the "new" guy Bucs secondary coach.

 You want definitive proof that tebow will dominate the NFL?  Read this..

http://www.volnation.com/forum/sports-forum/20002-tebow-will-not-superman-some-think.html

 If Harvin is the Gators best player then how do you explain Tebow dominating Alabama without Harvin? as well as other games?  If Tebow is being carried by his runners then how do youe xplain Tebow domianting last season when he only ahd one relaible runner in Moore.. and he fumbled every time he ran the ball.   What you obviously don't realize is that the reaosn all these runners look so greta next to Tebow is BECAUSE of Tebow's passing ability and his running ability.  If you watch last seaosn Tebow killed teams with his passing.  So teams would dare Tebow and the Gators to run. They wanted to beat up on Tebow.. but he still domianted. But they realized that Tebow was the gators only true runnign threat. And put more and more pressure on him daring the other gators runners to beat them. and they couldn't. This was why we lost the Ole miss game.  Because our runners were HORRIBLE. even with defenses swarming Tebow.. and the receivers and daring our backs to beat them.  These guys are still the weak link. You saw it in the Alabama game. Tebow hadto put the whole team on his back running and passing the ball.    

It's just hilarious how Tebow never gets the credit.. he is just the luckiest guy who ever lived. People say he can't play in the NFL because he can't throw.. well if he can't throw then why can't any team put some big slow runner in at QB and dominate?  Is Urban Meyer a genius? lol

It's just like those Tennessee fans who thought Tebow had to be a fluke.. NO ONE can be this good.. "he's slow" "he can't pass" "he will never be able to run a whole game in the SEC" "he's just good becaus eof Leak".

Now we see the exact same thing "He will never be able to do that in the NFL" He's just lucky he has such good players around him" "it's Meyers system"...LOL

It always amazes me how dense people can be.. Absolutely no udnerstanding of talent..

Those fans were talking after the championship year. The offense was really that built for Tebow yet and it was pretty unclear. The difference between going from HS to NCAA and NCAA to NFL is the system he plays in. In the NFL the spread offense is not that a) popular or b) that successful. Every team has their QB snapping the ball from center and reading defenses in a single second, if not less. That is why there is doubt. There is a reason he is projected 3rd or 4th round. Not because Mel Kiper or Todd McShay. Because of other scouts combined determined that is value is not of 1st or second round. He a talented player but not at the QB position.

The problem with you is that you seem to think Tebow has no flaws what-so-ever and the doubts we and experts are bringing up you use the rebuttal "He doesnt have to do that"

Ill give you an example on how dumb that is: I think Peyton Manning could have the blocker in NFL history. Of course the reason why you dont know that is because he doesnt have to block cause he can just pass it.

That logic seems a little far fetched and stupid doesnt it? Well homer, it seems as if that is the logic you are using for everything. If i was the only guy here saying that then you may have a sad little argument but im not. I for one was never a Vol fan that said he wont make it in the SEC. All i said was that he cant throw accurately or throw a spiral downfield and I seemed to have been right. But you are taking a forum from another fan base. That is irrelevant. They want tebow and florida to fail no matter what the name is. But youre a homer so youll respond with some stupid noise and I wont pay attention to that cause its pointless to argue with a homer that probably obsesses over Tebow in a sick way. I bet youre one of those UF fans that dont even know who Alex Brown is. Or Ben Troupe. Good call.

 You aren't getting it.. once again.. and I don't think it's an accident.. I think you.. like those Vols fan.. are completely in DENIAL.    The point of that vols thread is to show that even when people have incredible talent right in front of their faces they still couldn't recognize it.  They CHOSE to believe Tebow looked as great as he looked because he was lucky.. because of the team around him.. because of Leak.  The RATIONAL fan would have seen the skills Tebow demonstrated and realized how great he was.. and they would have realized how great he would have been as a starter. I did.  Why didn't they?  coaches did when they saw him in highschool.. why didn't they>?

It is the exact same thing now.. I see it.. why don't you and the other critics?  What's his name above said people KNEW how great Tebow was in college.. that wasn't the issue.. I have illustrated to you that was completely false..  and just as I said people have doubted Tebow the whole time. They believed he was TOO good to be true.  They thought running all game in the SEC was impossible.. now you see the same thing aobut him in the NFL.. 

Let me ask ou this.. do you think those people in that thread doubting Tebow had wacthed him play much? do you think they knew as much about his game as the coaches who camped out at his house for weeks trying to recruit him?  Do you think they watched him play every game and evaluated his talent completely? Do you think they knew that Tebow had the highest SPARQ rating of his class or knew that Tebow could bench 460 lbs and ran the 40 yard dash in the same time as Vince Yougn but he was 10,000 times tougher and more durable?

The pooint is that these people made knee jerk reactions without being fully educated about Tebow and his skills and his capabilities.    And that is what you have with the people who don't think Tebow will make it in the NFL either.  But read the article from that ex NFL coach that watched Tebow likely from the very beginning like me.. he is comparring him to Steve Young.. 

As for your Peyton manning as  ablocker analogy.. that is silly.. because being a blocker requires true athleticism..  Other than as a thrower Manning has not shown himself to be a great athlete.. Tebow HAS demonstrated every skill necessary to be a success at the next level.. we are comparing QB to QB.... it's the comparisons of Tebow to guys like Alex mith and vince Young that are completely wrong.. Tebow HAS demonstrated every ability he needs to have and he has done it against the best defneses you can see in college football game after game.  Vince and Smith never faced defenses like this on a regular basis in college. which is why Colt McCoy put up beter numbers than vicne against that same competition.  And this is why Tbow WILL translate and those guys didn't.  And this is why you folks in this thread will look exactly like those Vols fans in the future..