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1/9/09
Tim Tebow Should Declare For The 2009 NFL Draft
You Better Go Pro Tebow, Your Stock Will Never Be Higher
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After watching Florida win the national championship 24-14 over Oklahoma, followed afterward by Tim Tebow winning the most outstanding player award even though it clearly should have gone to Percy Harvin (who lost because he doesn't do circumcisions in the Philippines), I was instantly reminded of Toby Bailey.

Who?

For those of you old enough to remember, Toby Bailey was a sensational freshman guard on UCLA's 1995 NCAA championship basketball team. In the NCAA Final, he dropped 25 on the Arkansas Razorbacks and suddenly there were questions about would he go pro. At the time Bailey easily would have been a top 20 pick had he gone pro. People saw limitless potential, and a young kid who had just lit the NCAA Tournament on fire. Only problem was Bailey didn't go pro. At the time, it didn't seem to be a bad decision. Bailey would go back for another year or two, improve his game, prepare himself for the pro game. Except it didn't work out that way. Bailey never got better than he was his freshman year, and in fact, he got worse. He wound up staying at UCLA all 4 years, was drafted 45th in the 1998 NBA Draft, and played one season in the NBA. He bounced around Europe for years after that.

The point is, Bailey's peak was after he put up 25 on Arkansas, and he missed his opportunity to cash in. Had he left early he would have been a top 20 pick, made some decent coin, been given a longer time to develop, and likely would have at least stuck around the league for 3 or 4 years.

For Tebow, he's confronted with a similar predicament to the one Bailey faced.

Tebow wants to play quaterback in the NFL, which admittedly most people think he won't be very good at, including myself. Kirk Herbstreit even went so far as to say he'd take Pat White over Tebow in the draft if he was looking to draft a quarterback. That's not a compliment, by the way.

But the good news for Tebow is that he just won the national championship. And while NFL scouts and GMs are paid to be rational, thoughtful, and pragmatic people, they often aren't. They're human, like you and me, and they're also sometimes just ridiculously stupid (see: Millen, Matt). So to some GMs and scouts out there, or heck, even an owner, Tebow's shortcomings may suddenly seem less noticeable. They'll convince themselves that hey, "this kid is a winner" or "he's a great leader" or "man, that dude is great with a circumcision knife." Problem is, none of those things translate into a guy being able to thread the needle with a football at the pro level.

Because let's be honest here. Tebow is indeed a great college quarterback, but he has nothing you'd ever want in a pro quarterback. He takes an eternity to throw the ball, his release point is awkward, he's never thrown a tight spiral in his life, he runs an offense that consists of 8 plays that are never used in the pro game (a jump pass? WTF?), he relies on screen passes to Percy Harvin, he almost never gets past his first read, he stares down his receivers, and to top it all off, he plays in the same system that produced Alex Smith. There are more red flags in that last sentence than at a communist party rally.
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1/9/09
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ApopCane wrote:
Matt Leinhart, he needs to look at him.  You sell stock when it's high, and his stock will never be higher than right now.

The only people thinking he should stay are Gator fans, because without Harvin and Tebow, they are looking into the abyss.
The abyss?..Todd, you know that's wishful thinking. I see you live in FL...The abyss? Whether it be FAU, FIU, Miami, South Florida, FSU, or Florida....they will never look into the abyss. Too much talent in the state of Flo rida.

1/9/09
0
You make some excellent points here.

I actually think that Tebow will be drafted even higher than you think. Vince Young showed a lot of these same weaknesses, and ended up as a 3rd overall pick. I don't think Tebow will go quite that high, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Lions take him with their 2nd pick (#20 overall) if they pass on Stafford and Bradford, and both are taken by other teams. I also wouldn't be shocked to see him go to the Bears at #18. There are some desperate teams out there who might think they could use the leadership and the hype that come along with Tebow.

Or he could end up dropping like Troy Smith. I guess you never know. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the first round, as insane as that sounds.

1/9/09
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Pat wrote:
You make some excellent points here.

I actually think that Tebow will be drafted even higher than you think. Vince Young showed a lot of these same weaknesses, and ended up as a 3rd overall pick. I don't think Tebow will go quite that high, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Lions take him with their 2nd pick (#20 overall) if they pass on Stafford and Bradford, and both are taken by other teams. I also wouldn't be shocked to see him go to the Bears at #18. There are some desperate teams out there who might think they could use the leadership and the hype that come along with Tebow.

Or he could end up dropping like Troy Smith. I guess you never know. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the first round, as insane as that sounds.
You're insane.

1/9/09
1
Tebow needs and hopefully will, remain in school. He is NOT ready for the NFL, and in this day and age, he needs the education he is getting. The NFL isnt going anywhere, and I doubt one more year in school will hurt his stock any, he isnt a Freshman, and has performed outstandingly all of his time at FL. No reason to think next year would be any different.The kid is gounded, as are his parents. Aside from that, if he were drafted by, oh, say, the Lions, it would absolutely destroy what could possibly be a decent career!

1/9/09
0
 How is it that Tebow isn't a first round pick yet the Jacksonville Jaqguars just gave their QB, David Garrard, a 60 million dollar contract and Tebow is 10 times as talented as him and as skilled if not mMORE skilled RIGHT NOW?! LOL


Tebow has one bad game.. with 2 interceptuions.. in the 1st quarter.. after a month off... and he can't throw?  The passes that led to interceptions in that game had nothing to do with mechanics.. Tebow just made some bad decisions for once in his life.  And he beat a player that really isn't a better passer than Tebow. Bradford just has a more well rounded offense around him and a stellar offensive line.

I just find it hilarious that people say Tebow can't pass OR throw.  Yet he dominates like no other player before him.  There is something very unique about Tebow. If there wasn't he wouldn't be able to do what he has done.  So how can you say he can't do it in the NFL, too?

I find it funny that people think Tebow can't pass, yet he is dominating college football and doing it against the toughest defenses.  If Tebow is just a big guy who can run then why can't every team just find some big guy that can run and domiante with him?  And then people say Tebow can't even run too, haha  





1/9/09
0
(Edited by tooweirdtolive)
AndiLee0388 wrote:
Tebow needs and hopefully will, remain in school. He is NOT ready for the NFL, and in this day and age, he needs the education he is getting. The NFL isnt going anywhere, and I doubt one more year in school will hurt his stock any, he isnt a Freshman, and has performed outstandingly all of his time at FL. No reason to think next year would be any different.The kid is gounded, as are his parents. Aside from that, if he were drafted by, oh, say, the Lions, it would absolutely destroy what could possibly be a decent career!
 Tebow is ready for the NFL.. you just think he isn't  because you are blaming him for weak areas in tehe Gators offense.  The Gators haven't had a true running game outside of Tebow since he has been there.  And this is why his passing lanes are shutdown. And this is why he struggles passing the ball so much at times.  Just like when Tebow was blamed for not having any come from behind wins in the past. It was because his defense was HORRIBLE.  People don't understand Tebow is carrying the Gators on his back.. not the other way around.  When he is in the NFL he will NEVER have as poor a runningback squad as he has had on the Gators. And for this reason he himself won't have to run to make the Gators offense function. He will be able to run a totally different style. A finesse style believe it or not. People don't even realize Tebow is as fast as Vince Young and that he is just scratching the suirface of his running ability.

How can people watch the Alabama game and then question Tebow's passing ability?  It makes no sense to me.

1/9/09
2
Matt Leinhart, he needs to look at him.  You sell stock when it's high, and his stock will never be higher than right now.

The only people thinking he should stay are Gator fans, because without Harvin and Tebow, they are looking into the abyss.

1/9/09
0
You sir are too weird to live you obviously have no idea what you are talking about.  Tebow doesn't have a prayer...get it prayer since he is the holiest QB and college player ever, (I think the announcers wanted to have sex with him last night) to play QB in the NFL.  Everything the author of this post wrote is true.  Tebow is a great college player yes, and has had an excellent college career.  However, there is a snowballs chance in hell he would play QB in the NFL for all of the reasons listed here.  He would be more suited to play FB, LB, or TE imo and definitely should enter the draft now if he wanted to play QB.  Some moronic team may take him.  He will probably come back though because he knows that he could win another title and or heisman and then his QB days are finished. 

1/9/09
4
ApopCane wrote:
Matt Leinhart, he needs to look at him.  You sell stock when it's high, and his stock will never be higher than right now.

The only people thinking he should stay are Gator fans, because without Harvin and Tebow, they are looking into the abyss.
The abyss?..Todd, you know that's wishful thinking. I see you live in FL...The abyss? Whether it be FAU, FIU, Miami, South Florida, FSU, or Florida....they will never look into the abyss. Too much talent in the state of Flo rida.

1/9/09
1
I want someone to point out to me the differences between Pat White coming out of WVU and Donovan McNabb coming out of Syracuse....please. I'm looking at you 100% "no research" Rate

1/9/09
3

As a non Gator fan I truly hope that Tebow does leave to go pro because I am selfish and am tired of teams I like more being destroyed by him and his teammates.  You would think that after having 32 days off a team would be able to scout how to stop a basic triple option quarterback better?  32 days???  We can't have a playoff, but we wait 32 days for the National Champonship?  Hey BCS, how about a week or maybe 2 until the game, but 32?


1/9/09
2
MarkTheShark wrote:
The abyss?..Todd, you know that's wishful thinking. I see you live in FL...The abyss? Whether it be FAU, FIU, Miami, South Florida, FSU, or Florida....they will never look into the abyss. Too much talent in the state of Flo rida.
Allow me to trash talk about the team I hate!  But seriously, Tebow is one of those once in a lifetime guys, as is Harvin.  They cannot replace those two.  Losing Tebow is like Texas losing Vince Young, they will still be good, but will find it that much harder to win a MNC again.

1/9/09
1
MarkTheShark wrote:
I want someone to point out to me the differences between Pat White coming out of WVU and Donovan McNabb coming out of Syracuse....please. I'm looking at you 100% "no research" Rate
I'm not sure where the McNabb question comes from, but here you go.

McNabb: Much stronger than White coming out of college. White's a twig. Secondly, and this isn't even debatable, McNabb has a better arm. McNabb also didn't play in the spread. The spread scares the hell out of NFL teams, because you can't run a true spread in the pros, and someone like White, who's been playing in it for four years, is going to have that held against him.

1/9/09
2
tooweirdtolive wrote:
 Tebow is ready for the NFL.. you just think he isn't  because you are blaming him for weak areas in tehe Gators offense.  The Gators haven't had a true running game outside of Tebow since he has been there.  And this is why his passing lanes are shutdown. And this is why he struggles passing the ball so much at times.  Just like when Tebow was blamed for not having any come from behind wins in the past. It was because his defense was HORRIBLE.  People don't understand Tebow is carrying the Gators on his back.. not the other way around.  When he is in the NFL he will NEVER have as poor a runningback squad as he has had on the Gators. And for this reason he himself won't have to run to make the Gators offense function. He will be able to run a totally different style. A finesse style believe it or not. People don't even realize Tebow is as fast as Vince Young and that he is just scratching the suirface of his running ability.

How can people watch the Alabama game and then question Tebow's passing ability?  It makes no sense to me.
 Tebow is not as fast as Young, however he is much smarter and tougher.  Having watched Rich Gannon run [and I do mean run], the Winged-T against a lower level of competition than Tebow faced and with a weaker arm, how many would have foreseen  All Pro seasons in his future?   Many experts projected Flutie to WR or DB, now that being said I would not take a QB who has not made progression reads of the entire football field or taken a significant number of snaps under center and expect to see anything for about three years.  Tebow has the heart of a lion, and I don't mean Detroit and has Roger Staubach level leadership and character, he's the kind of kid that coaches love, he'll make a team and like Gannon, if given time to develop could become an NFL QB.  Work ethic and desire does matter, Elvis Grbac, Dan McGwire, Jim Druckenmiller, Rob Johnson and may others were "Prototype Pocket Passers" but lacked the head, heart and work ethic to be successful NFL QBs. 

1/9/09
3
Tebow is ready for the NFL, but he is't if he wants to be a QB. He was clearly outshone in the NFL aspects of quarterbacking last night. As 100% states very aptly, screens to Percy Harvin, forward passes which were essentially option passes all night long, 'jump passes'. Even when he attempted to run it up the gut, it was painful to watch him either getting stoned at the line or about 3 yards behind it over and over. His passes under pressure were awful, the first INT was telegraphed from the snap and the second one was thrown into the numbers of a 300 pound DT, its not like he could've missed him standing there, isn't exactly a set of car keys. Conversely, Bradford showed the sort of passes a NFL ready QB would be expected to make. Florida's D stepped up and knocked out receivers left and right, nerly decapitated a guy on that first long play of the game, and then forcing the two juggled INTs which weren't evn Bradford's fault. Overall, I felt Bradford outshone Tebow in his NFL readiness.  Aside from the one decent read Tebow made on the option when they were backed up to the 5 and they ripped off the 50 yard run, his overall inside option game wasn't that sharp either. As far as pulling it down and being mobile, while he did do well last night and pushed in a ton of second effort and got those scrappy yards, in the pros those guys laying lumber on him aren't going to be sophomore Oklahoma DB's... it'll be guys like Polamalu, Merriman, Urlacher, Ray Lewis, and after last week I'd like to see Taylor May drop the boom on him and see how long he can hold up with that... Tebow is an incredible athlete undoubtedly, but I could see him ending up as a Rothlisberger type, where he is tough, scrappy, somewhat mobile, would only work on a team with a running game to compliment his talents, and would make his fans wonder 'what the hell is he doing' 2 or 3 times a quarter...

1/9/09
1
100%InjuryRate wrote:
I'm not sure where the McNabb question comes from, but here you go.

McNabb: Much stronger than White coming out of college. White's a twig. Secondly, and this isn't even debatable, McNabb has a better arm. McNabb also didn't play in the spread. The spread scares the hell out of NFL teams, because you can't run a true spread in the pros, and someone like White, who's been playing in it for four years, is going to have that held against him.
Tale of the tape: Pat White 6'0.2" 192  and twice in his four colligate seasons has his QB rating been over 150. In his four years, he has accumulated 56 passing touchdowns compared to 23 interceptions. Throughout his career he has thrown for 6000 plus yards. Not awful but not close to the aerial production of McNabb. 

Granted, he only went over 200 yards passing three times this year, but had 332 through the  air against a decent UNC defense,  to be honest the only 'NFL throw' was a strike up the seam to Alric Arnett and  he is in need of work no matter where he plays on Sundays.  He reminds me of former Rice QB Bert Emmanuel who made a successful career at receiver  it is still worth a team to take a look at Pat White middle in the draft, in hopes of developing for the future at any one of 3 or 4 positions.  Any way it ends up, He is worth a mid-round draft pick talent wise. His 40 has been hand timed under 4.45, about 4.42 likely about 4.48 electronic and much 974 yards on the ground in 2008 were on designed runs though has shown some ability to salvage broken plays and even make good throws on the move, but like Harrell, Tebow, or even Bradford for that matter White has still to demonstrate he can go throw a progression read of the entire field and operate effectively under center.

McNabb did run the "Freeze Option" at Syracuse but he was 208 when he arrived on campus and in the offense he ran he had a mix of 1/2 and whole field reads, but his arm and body strength were miles ahead of White's despite the fact that he missed 4 semesters of off-season football conditioning playing hoops.


1/9/09
0
elevenbravo138again wrote:
Tale of the tape: Pat White 6'0.2" 192  and twice in his four colligate seasons has his QB rating been over 150. In his four years, he has accumulated 56 passing touchdowns compared to 23 interceptions. Throughout his career he has thrown for 6000 plus yards. Not awful but not close to the aerial production of McNabb. 

Granted, he only went over 200 yards passing three times this year, but had 332 through the  air against a decent UNC defense,  to be honest the only 'NFL throw' was a strike up the seam to Alric Arnett and  he is in need of work no matter where he plays on Sundays.  He reminds me of former Rice QB Bert Emmanuel who made a successful career at receiver  it is still worth a team to take a look at Pat White middle in the draft, in hopes of developing for the future at any one of 3 or 4 positions.  Any way it ends up, He is worth a mid-round draft pick talent wise. His 40 has been hand timed under 4.45, about 4.42 likely about 4.48 electronic and much 974 yards on the ground in 2008 were on designed runs though has shown some ability to salvage broken plays and even make good throws on the move, but like Harrell, Tebow, or even Bradford for that matter White has still to demonstrate he can go throw a progression read of the entire field and operate effectively under center.

McNabb did run the "Freeze Option" at Syracuse but he was 208 when he arrived on campus and in the offense he ran he had a mix of 1/2 and whole field reads, but his arm and body strength were miles ahead of White's despite the fact that he missed 4 semesters of off-season football conditioning playing hoops.

Thanks for the additional info. I don't see many similarities between the two aside from being able to run, and you broke that down very nicely.

1/9/09
1
adidaspete000 wrote:
Tebow is ready for the NFL, but he is't if he wants to be a QB. He was clearly outshone in the NFL aspects of quarterbacking last night. As 100% states very aptly, screens to Percy Harvin, forward passes which were essentially option passes all night long, 'jump passes'. Even when he attempted to run it up the gut, it was painful to watch him either getting stoned at the line or about 3 yards behind it over and over. His passes under pressure were awful, the first INT was telegraphed from the snap and the second one was thrown into the numbers of a 300 pound DT, its not like he could've missed him standing there, isn't exactly a set of car keys. Conversely, Bradford showed the sort of passes a NFL ready QB would be expected to make. Florida's D stepped up and knocked out receivers left and right, nerly decapitated a guy on that first long play of the game, and then forcing the two juggled INTs which weren't evn Bradford's fault. Overall, I felt Bradford outshone Tebow in his NFL readiness.  Aside from the one decent read Tebow made on the option when they were backed up to the 5 and they ripped off the 50 yard run, his overall inside option game wasn't that sharp either. As far as pulling it down and being mobile, while he did do well last night and pushed in a ton of second effort and got those scrappy yards, in the pros those guys laying lumber on him aren't going to be sophomore Oklahoma DB's... it'll be guys like Polamalu, Merriman, Urlacher, Ray Lewis, and after last week I'd like to see Taylor May drop the boom on him and see how long he can hold up with that... Tebow is an incredible athlete undoubtedly, but I could see him ending up as a Rothlisberger type, where he is tough, scrappy, somewhat mobile, would only work on a team with a running game to compliment his talents, and would make his fans wonder 'what the hell is he doing' 2 or 3 times a quarter...
That first TD pass to Murphy was on a busted play he was under pressure and found the open man. Bradford was the one that seemed to put too much air in his passes early. Sam did quickly adjust and started working underneath, reacting to the speed of Florida's safeties. The longest pass play of the night deserved to be: Tebow stepped into his throw and threw 25 yards on a rope between two Sooners and David Nelson hauled it in for a 29 yard gain. I'm not saying Bradford isn't better he is, but last night he was less effective than Tebow.

1/9/09
3
Anybody that drafts Tebow with the intention of him playing QB will regret it. He'll be a hybrid h-back/TE. His talents would be best used on the Dolphins where they can incorporate him into some packages, and even let him make some throws. But actually being a QB? I can't see it. Like 100 Injury Rate said, he takes forever to throw the ball, throws more wounded ducks than Cade McNown, and I've yet to see him make a great throw standing in the pocket. Sure mobility's nice, but some of these things he gets away with in the college game will not fly in the NFL. If he just takes off running, tries to run over guys like he can in college, he'll fail miserably. Honestly, if I'm him, I stay in school and become the greatest college player ever by winning another title and winning another heisman, or at least contending with each which he undoubtedly would. Plus you get another year of having every hottie on campus all over you. A year of that and then riding the pine in your NFL career, or just getting an early start on sitting on the bench? I'll take the extra year of college. And if I had to predict right now where he'll be drafted, 4th-5th round. I love the guy's passion and will to win, but that can only take you so far. Tyler Hansbrough will find out the same thing in the NBA.

1/9/09
1
 The Tyler Hansbrough comparison is spot on, and for booth it will behoove them to be in a situation where they're a cog in a well-run machine as opposed to being a "Messiah."  The fact is we don't if either QB can play at the next level, the thing about kids like Matt Ryan and to a lesser extent Mark Sanchez is you have seen them play in a pro set, make reads, show an NFL type arm and good mobility, even when all that is there that's still is no guarantee, but you have more to go on.  Bradford is just as big a risk as Tebow.  

He is also making largely predetermined throws and does not have the added value of projecting to another position.  Is he Carson Palmer is disquise, perhaps but at this point he is in many ways as much a gamble as Tebow or Harrell or any other spread QB.

    

1/9/09
1
Pat wrote:
You make some excellent points here.

I actually think that Tebow will be drafted even higher than you think. Vince Young showed a lot of these same weaknesses, and ended up as a 3rd overall pick. I don't think Tebow will go quite that high, but it wouldn't surprise me to see the Lions take him with their 2nd pick (#20 overall) if they pass on Stafford and Bradford, and both are taken by other teams. I also wouldn't be shocked to see him go to the Bears at #18. There are some desperate teams out there who might think they could use the leadership and the hype that come along with Tebow.

Or he could end up dropping like Troy Smith. I guess you never know. But I wouldn't be surprised to see him go in the first round, as insane as that sounds.

The Bears might be dumb enough to take Tim Tebow.  Wow, that's a chilling thought.  It wasn't that long ago that they decided Cade McChicken was the next coming of Steve Young.


1/9/09
1
I agree......his 'stock' will likely never be higher.      However, if he's intent on trying to play QB, he's likely a 3rd or 4th round draft pick, at best.     I'm not an expert; I'm just going by what is said & written about him.      Personally, I think he could make a team as a 3rd string / emergency QB to start with, and perhaps have a version of the 'Wildcat' for him for a couple of plays here & there (think Miami would draft him in the 4th round ?)

Besides......he comes with his own cheerleader as well...............


 
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