Tim Tebow and Peyton Manning may be in QB controversy

For some reason, people think it's acceptable to argue for Tim Tebow over Peyton Manning

3/13/12 in NFL   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

Despite over a half season worth of proof to the contrary, some people are still desperately holding on to the fantasy that Tim Tebow is actually capable of playing QB at an NFL level.

In and of itself, that's really not a big deal. People disagree on player evaluation all the time, and sometimes it takes a while to convince people one way or another.

However, when it comes to comparing Tebow to Peyton Manning, one of the greatest quarterbacks ever to step foot on the gridiron, it starts to get downright offensive.

In a poll asking Broncos fans who should be their starting QB next year, Tebow or Manning, the former Gator with the long delivery received 59% of the votes, soundly beating Manning, a Hall of Fame lock.

Fortunately for Broncos fans, John Elway is a bit smarter than they are, and he's making a strong push for Manning anyway. Apparently he recognizes that if they can make the playoffs with the worst passer in the league, they can probably do even more damage with one of the best passers of all time.

Even if Peyton Manning isn't 100% healthy, which is still a reasonable concern until proven otherwise, he's a better option than Tebow. Peyton Manning in a wheelchair would probably be a better QB than Tebow.

Some people who actually get paid to write about the NFL, in this case Mike Silver of Yahoo Sports, actually feel bad for Tebow, and say that he's getting shafted by the Broncos.

Really? A guy who realistically should never have been under center in the NFL is getting shafted because the Broncos want to improve their team by replacing arguably their biggest weakness with one of the greatest players of all time? THAT is called "getting shafted"?

This is just one more example of people fabricated adversity for Tebow. He grew up in a very financially comfortable 2-parent home, was a highly touted recruit out of high school, won a boatload of awards in college, including a Heisman Trophy, and then he was selected in the first round of the NFL Draft, despite many experts (correctly) saying that he simply was not fit to be an NFL quarterback.

So far, I see no adversity at all.

He played his way to the bottom of the Broncos' depth chart, and somehow still managed to find the field for the second half of the season. Despite playing about as poorly as any QB in the league, he was dragged to a few wins and miraculously gained the support of rabid Broncos fans who were so blinded by the win-loss record that they were incapable of properly evaluating individual performance.

Still, I see no adversity.

Now, the rumors are swirling that the Broncos desperately want Manning, and that they'll trade Tebow if they get him. One of the popular ideas is that he could get sent to Jacksonville, which would result in him being closer to home, near the Florida Gators fans who love him so much, and would give him a legitimate chance to compete for the starting job, since Blaine Gabbert was pretty terrible last year.

If that's adversity, then I welcome such hard times into MY life.

The only hardship that Tim Tebow has had to endure is self-inflicted. For whatever reason, he has been entirely disinterested in developing proper throwing mechanics, and simply hasn't shown that he can play QB at an NFL level.

If the Broncos have a chance to get Peyton Manning, they'd be insane to pass it up, especially if they can get any value whatsoever in exchange for Tebow in a trade. Think their defense was inspired by Tebow? Wait until you see how they react when they know they have someone who can actually throw the ball.

To the 59% who voted for Tebow: You've either never watched a game, or you're some real clever Internet trolls.
To Mike Silver: The only one who is shafting Tebow are people like you, who keep giving him this false impression that he actually deserves to be an NFL QB. Get a clue.


Tebow has nearly 60% of votes over Manning in billboard poll [USA Today]
Tim Tebow getting shafted with Broncos’ pursuit of Peyton Manning [Yahoo!]
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3/18/12   |   CuriousJockAZ   |   1 respect

I'll take Tebow and the inspiration he instills among players and fans ANY DAY. Go Tebow!!!

3/14/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

mavsoccer23 wrote:
Yeah you can argue that Tebow didn't have the "best" numbers in the NFL. But numbers aren't everything in football. Tebow has the ability to win games, and that in my opinion is more important than any statistic at the end of the game. I'll admit there is some downside to Tebow, but I think they can be corrected with time and hard work. I think Tebow has earned the chance to be a full time starter in the NFL, and if he doesn't improve then so be it. But I'm sick and tired of great college QBs going nowhere because they don't get an opportunity.

First off, I agree that Tebow can improve... fact of the matter is that he can't get much worse.  He seems more than willing to put in all the work to be a great NFL QB, but he has a LLLLOOOOOONNNNNGGGGG way to go before he's a that level.  He was missing WIDE OPEN recievers by 15 YARDS!!!

However, read my statement above about the "All he does is Win" argument.  Of the 7 wins the Broncos had with Tebow as their starter, none, I repeat, NONE of his wins came against a team with a record above .500 and all three teams they played that were above .500 they were outscored 127-47.  Which is an average score of 42.3-15.6... that's really bad.

3/14/12   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

But Skip said he's a baller! Coming from a intelligent source like Skip, how can anyone argue?

ps- if you didn't pick up on the sarcasm please don't respond.

3/14/12   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

mavsoccer23 wrote:
Yeah you can argue that Tebow didn't have the "best" numbers in the NFL. But numbers aren't everything in football. Tebow has the ability to win games, and that in my opinion is more important than any statistic at the end of the game. I'll admit there is some downside to Tebow, but I think they can be corrected with time and hard work. I think Tebow has earned the chance to be a full time starter in the NFL, and if he doesn't improve then so be it. But I'm sick and tired of great college QBs going nowhere because they don't get an opportunity.

Actually, numbers ARE everything. People just don't know how to use them all in context.

Tebow isn't a winner. He just got lucky and the team around him elevated their play against a very weak schedule.

3/14/12   |   mavsoccer23   |   66 respect

beerstudk wrote:
Have you looked at Tebow's stats?  He's not even in the top 32 QB's in efficiancy... that means that every single starting QB PLUS some backups were more efficiant than Tebow.

As for the "All he does is win" argument, Denver went 7-4 with TT as their starter, none of those wins came against teams with a winning record, 4 teams were 8-8.  The only 'quality' win of that group is against San Diego (and the quality of the Chargers last season is highly debatable), the others came against Oakland (in Carson Palmers 2nd game), Chicago (after Forte, Urlacher and Cutler were lost for the season) and the Jets off of a short week (no time for putting in a new scheme defensively).  Of their 4 losses, they were outscored 127-47 by three of those teams (New England, Detroit and Buffalo) and lost the ugliest game in NFL history, a 7-3 loss to Kansas City.  New England, Buffalo and Kansas City were also back-to-back-to-back losses.

What does all that mean?  It means that Tebow was a fad and beat some bad teams, teams depleted by injuries and teams that weren't ready for the Broncos gimic offense.  Once teams figured out how to defened the Broncos, they went on a 3 game skid and were getting blown out.  I understand that Tebow is more badass than Chuck Norris, but the numbers say that he's one of the worst QB's in NFL history.  But there is a silver lining, if the Broncos don't land Manning, they'll be bad enough to be in the discussion for Matt Barkley next year!!

Yeah you can argue that Tebow didn't have the "best" numbers in the NFL. But numbers aren't everything in football. Tebow has the ability to win games, and that in my opinion is more important than any statistic at the end of the game. I'll admit there is some downside to Tebow, but I think they can be corrected with time and hard work. I think Tebow has earned the chance to be a full time starter in the NFL, and if he doesn't improve then so be it. But I'm sick and tired of great college QBs going nowhere because they don't get an opportunity.

3/13/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

mavsoccer23 wrote:
Personally, I would take Tebow over Manning. Tebow took the Broncos deeper in the playoffs then they have been in years. Yes, there are some negatives, but there are also a lot of positive things that go along with having a quarterback like Tebow. I think if Denver committed to Tebow 100% and Elway worked with Tebow on his mechanics he could take the Broncos to a championship.

Have you looked at Tebow's stats?  He's not even in the top 32 QB's in efficiancy... that means that every single starting QB PLUS some backups were more efficiant than Tebow.

As for the "All he does is win" argument, Denver went 7-4 with TT as their starter, none of those wins came against teams with a winning record, 4 teams were 8-8.  The only 'quality' win of that group is against San Diego (and the quality of the Chargers last season is highly debatable), the others came against Oakland (in Carson Palmers 2nd game), Chicago (after Forte, Urlacher and Cutler were lost for the season) and the Jets off of a short week (no time for putting in a new scheme defensively).  Of their 4 losses, they were outscored 127-47 by three of those teams (New England, Detroit and Buffalo) and lost the ugliest game in NFL history, a 7-3 loss to Kansas City.  New England, Buffalo and Kansas City were also back-to-back-to-back losses.

What does all that mean?  It means that Tebow was a fad and beat some bad teams, teams depleted by injuries and teams that weren't ready for the Broncos gimic offense.  Once teams figured out how to defened the Broncos, they went on a 3 game skid and were getting blown out.  I understand that Tebow is more badass than Chuck Norris, but the numbers say that he's one of the worst QB's in NFL history.  But there is a silver lining, if the Broncos don't land Manning, they'll be bad enough to be in the discussion for Matt Barkley next year!!

3/13/12   |   lexingtonrobert

What many people have an issue with has nothing to do with Manning as a player or person. It is about Elway lying to Tebow, publicly announcing he would be starting then do this. Elway already had a reputation for not being a man of his word and now he shouts from the rooftops what a snake he truly is... Give me an owner that will shoot straight, whether the news is good or bad, positive or negative! Tebow should leave and go where some one will, at the very least, be honest and up-front with him and stick to their word. I really-really hope Tebow will leave Denver now. 

3/13/12   |   mavsoccer23   |   66 respect

Personally, I would take Tebow over Manning. Tebow took the Broncos deeper in the playoffs then they have been in years. Yes, there are some negatives, but there are also a lot of positive things that go along with having a quarterback like Tebow. I think if Denver committed to Tebow 100% and Elway worked with Tebow on his mechanics he could take the Broncos to a championship.