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10/29/09
To all those who idolize the genius named “SACHIN TENDULKAR”!!!
READ MORE:
Hashim Amla:
"Nothing bad can happen to us if we're on a plane in India with Sachin
Tendulkar on it."
Hashim Amla, the South African batsman, reassures himself as he boards a
flight

Yaseer Hameed:
"Sometimes you get so engrossed in watching batsmen like Rahul Dravid and
Sachin Tendulkar that you lose focus on your job."

"To Sachin, the man we all want to be"
- What Andrew Symonds wrote on an aussie t-shirt he autographed specially
for Sachin

BBC on Sachin:
Beneath the helmet, under that unruly curly hair, inside the cranium, there
is something we don't know, something beyond scientific measure. Something
that allows him to soar, to roam a territory of sport that, forget us, even
those who are gifted enough to play alongside him cannot even fathom. When
he goes out to bat, people switch on their TV sets and switch off their
lives "

"But the finest compliment must be that bookmakers would not fix the odds -
or a game - until Tendulkar was out."

"Tuzhe pata hai tune kiska catch chhoda hai?" Wasim Akram to Abdul Razzaq
when the latter dropped Sachin's catch.

Brian Charles Lara:
"Sachin is a genius. I'm a mere mortal."

Mark Taylor:
"We did not lose to a team called India...we lost to a man called Sachin" -
Mark Taylor, during the test match in Chennai (1997)

M. L. Jaisimha:
"The more I see of him the more confused I'm getting to which is his best
knock."

Glenn McGrath:
"The joy he brings to the millions of his countrymen, the grace with which
he handles all the adulation and the expectations and his innate humility -
all make for a one-in-a-billion individual,"

Anjali
"I can be hundred per cent sure that Sachin will not play for a minute
longer when he is not enjoying himself. He is still so eager to go out
there and play. He will play as long as he feels he can play,"

Matt HAYDEN:
"I HAVE SEEN GOD, HE BATS AT NO.4 FOR INDIA"

"Even my father's name is Sachin Tendulkar."
-- Tendulkar's daughter, Sara, tells her class her father's name after the
teacher informs them of a restaurant of the same name in Mumbai

KUMBLE:
"I am fortunate that I've to bowl at him only in the nets!"

Shahrukh (quoting Shahrukh from an interview)
"Que: Who do you think as most important celebrity ?
Shahrukh: There was a big party where stars from bollywood and cricket were
invited. Suddenly, there was a big noise, all wanted to see approaching Amitabh Bachhan.
Then Sachin entered the hall and Amitabh was leading the queue to get a grab of the GENIUS!!"

Navjot Singh Sidhu:
"India me aap PrimeMinister ko ek Baar Katghare me khada kar sakte hain..Par
Sachin Tendulkar par Ungli nahi utha Sakte.."

Waqar Younis
"He can play that leg glance with a walking stick also."

A banner once said-' I WILL SEE GOD WHEN I DIE BUT TILL THEN I WILL SEE
SACHIN ' that quiet defines Sachin-The greatest.

Allan Donald:
"Sachin Tendulkar has often reminded me of a veteran army colonel who has
many medals on his chest to show how he has conquered bowlers all over the
world"

And i remember reading in one of Allan Donald's interview.
This interview was in Cricket Talk 7-8 yrs ago.

"I was bowling to Sachin and he hit me for two fours in a row. One from
point and the other in between point and gully. That was the last two balls of the over and the
over after that we (SA) took a wicket and during the group meeting i told Jonty (Rhodes) to
be alert and i know a way to pin Sachin. And i delivered the first ball of my next over
and it was a fuller length delevery outside offstump. And i shouted catch. To my
astonishment the ball was hit to the cover boundary. Such was the brilliance of Sachin.
His reflex time is the best I have ever seen. Its like 1/20th of a sec.
To get his wicket better not prepare. Atleast u wont regret if he hits you for boundaries."

Peter Rebouck, Aussie journalist
"On a train from Shimla to Delhi, there was a halt in one of the stations.
The train stopped by for few minutes as usual. Sachin was nearing century, batting on 98. The passengers, railway officials, everyone on the train waited for Sachin to complete the century.
This Genius can stop time in India!!"

NKP Salve, former Union Minister (This was when he was accused of ball tempering)
"Sachin cannot cheat. He is to cricket what (Mahatma) Gandhiji was to
politics. It's clear discrimination. "

Andy Flower:
"There are 2 kind of batsmen in the world. One Sachin Tendulkar. Two all the
others."
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11/2/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
 If one loves a sport like cricket, does it mean that s/he should overlook the bad performances and appreciate only few good performances, that too of select few.? Arithra, if you have fixed opinion like me that is your choice, but be tolerent to others views with open mind, please, 
i think first of all u need to understand that.....than aritra...... 

10/29/09
2
Good collection of quotes on Sachin (I did not know about quite a few). But I somewhat resent the term 'idolize.' Idolize is when we turn a blind eye to the failiures and just project the successes. In Sachin's case the successes outweigh the failiures by a huge margin. So 'idolatry' is not required. We love him and respect him and acknowledge him to be on of the best ever simply because of what he has done, and doing.

10/29/09
2
well i wrote the word idolize coz.......pple don idolize jus coz of the way sachin plays.....that is one of the bests..no doubt....but the way he has presents himself on n off the field is the reason y pple actually idolise him...n love him n respect him so much......

10/29/09
1
wow.......this is real good one...thanx tanu.....like arti, even i dint knew a few of them....sachin n india rocks!

10/29/09
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"Commit all your crimes when Sachin is batting. They will go unnoticed because even the Lord is busy watching him batting!!!."

10/30/09
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love_nadal wrote:
wow.......this is real good one...thanx tanu.....like arti, even i dint knew a few of them....sachin n india rocks!
Hey man, please don't change my gender by giving me a girl's name. The name's Aritra.

10/30/09
1
tanucute2002 wrote:
well i wrote the word idolize coz.......pple don idolize jus coz of the way sachin plays.....that is one of the bests..no doubt....but the way he has presents himself on n off the field is the reason y pple actually idolise him...n love him n respect him so much......
I agree with you mostly. People love and respect him because of what he has done on and off the field. But herein lies my point. If the man was not what he is we would not feel the same way as we do. I just want to say this: Sachin's successes on the field are far too numerous compared to failiures, and his conduct has always been impeccable. So we are just giving him what he deserves. Idolatry has an element of ignoring faults. That is not the case here.

10/30/09
1
aritragupta wrote:
Hey man, please don't change my gender by giving me a girl's name. The name's Aritra.
hey. m so sorry dear.

10/30/09
0
aritragupta wrote:
Hey man, please don't change my gender by giving me a girl's name. The name's Aritra.
hey. m so sorry dear. didnt realise

10/30/09
0
Gunsnroses wrote:

"Commit all your crimes when Sachin is batting. They will go unnoticed because even the Lord is busy watching him batting!!!."
who said this??

10/30/09
1
aritragupta wrote:
I agree with you mostly. People love and respect him because of what he has done on and off the field. But herein lies my point. If the man was not what he is we would not feel the same way as we do. I just want to say this: Sachin's successes on the field are far too numerous compared to failiures, and his conduct has always been impeccable. So we are just giving him what he deserves. Idolatry has an element of ignoring faults. That is not the case here.
thats fine buddy! thats ur perception of seeing things which differs a bit 4m mine...thats it.....
the thing which matters is that we both appreciate n respect that legend..........

10/31/09
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Gunsnroses wrote:

"Commit all your crimes when Sachin is batting. They will go unnoticed because even the Lord is busy watching him batting!!!."
India versus Australia series of 2008, a fan at Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) had this banner on Sachin Tendulkar that caught the fancy of the world.

10/31/09
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 Humans are mere mortals, but some make it immortal life by their deeds in the chosen field of life, Sachin with his deeds has made all to realize that everything is possible, like Kumble who has good records in bowling, with lesser games than Murlidharan of Srilanka.Kumble is also respected for his gentle behavior and firm handling of difficult situations abroad, like in Australia and the infamous monkey gate.!

10/31/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
thats fine buddy! thats ur perception of seeing things which differs a bit 4m mine...thats it.....
the thing which matters is that we both appreciate n respect that legend..........
Yeah, that's right.

10/31/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
 Humans are mere mortals, but some make it immortal life by their deeds in the chosen field of life, Sachin with his deeds has made all to realize that everything is possible, like Kumble who has good records in bowling, with lesser games than Murlidharan of Srilanka.Kumble is also respected for his gentle behavior and firm handling of difficult situations abroad, like in Australia and the infamous monkey gate.!
Great to hear at least a few nice words about Sachin from you......

10/31/09
0
aritragupta wrote:
Great to hear at least a few nice words about Sachin from you......
Perceptions can be deceptive.....................!

10/31/09
1
tanucute2002 wrote:
thats fine buddy! thats ur perception of seeing things which differs a bit 4m mine...thats it.....
the thing which matters is that we both appreciate n respect that legend..........
he is over now.... must retire..!!

10/31/09
1
navisingh01 wrote:
he is over now.... must retire..!!
Lets just acknowledge that the guys who have been quoted by tanu understand cricket much better than either you or me. And some of those comments were made within the last couple of years (the Amla one, for example.)

10/31/09
0
aritragupta wrote:
Lets just acknowledge that the guys who have been quoted by tanu understand cricket much better than either you or me. And some of those comments were made within the last couple of years (the Amla one, for example.)
absolutely true dear......thanx.....

10/31/09
1
raja_starkglass wrote:
 Humans are mere mortals, but some make it immortal life by their deeds in the chosen field of life, Sachin with his deeds has made all to realize that everything is possible, like Kumble who has good records in bowling, with lesser games than Murlidharan of Srilanka.Kumble is also respected for his gentle behavior and firm handling of difficult situations abroad, like in Australia and the infamous monkey gate.!
no one denies the fact that kumble is a good cricketer n human being....but i dont understand y do u always talk about others wen the topic is all about sachin........y cant u give him the respect that he deserves.....

10/31/09
0
Gunsnroses wrote:
India versus Australia series of 2008, a fan at Sydney Cricket Ground (SCG) had this banner on Sachin Tendulkar that caught the fancy of the world.
hey! i really dint know abt it....thanx.....

11/1/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
no one denies the fact that kumble is a good cricketer n human being....but i dont understand y do u always talk about others wen the topic is all about sachin........y cant u give him the respect that he deserves.....
Sachin is respected by me and all for his good performances, but not at the cost of many others, and their performances, just because some are low profile, it does not mean their good performances take back seat. 3rd one day again saw the not so great performance for the third time of Sachin, could not play the spin also, slow run rate is a big burden for others in the team.Luckily, bowlers did well to restrain Aussies to moderate score with good fielding, Sachin rested after 21 over from the field, Virat replacing him.

11/1/09
1
Gunsnroses wrote:

"Commit all your crimes when Sachin is batting. They will go unnoticed because even the Lord is busy watching him batting!!!."
good quote dude

11/1/09
1
raja_starkglass wrote:
Sachin is respected by me and all for his good performances, but not at the cost of many others, and their performances, just because some are low profile, it does not mean their good performances take back seat. 3rd one day again saw the not so great performance for the third time of Sachin, could not play the spin also, slow run rate is a big burden for others in the team.Luckily, bowlers did well to restrain Aussies to moderate score with good fielding, Sachin rested after 21 over from the field, Virat replacing him.
Please don't get started again. Still, one, no one says good performances from others have to take back seat. Especially in this case your assertion is misplaced as Kumble is more or less universally acknowledged and celebrated as India's greatest match-winning bowler of all times. Two, Sachin looked comfortable yesterday before getting run out trying to steal a single. Still, he looks a bit out of form. But even more so looked Sehwag. That goes on always. Right now Sehwag, Sachin look out of form, while Dhoni, Gambhir and Yuvraj look in great touch. 2 months down the line it may be just the opposite. Unfortunate that while you keep saying that we should look at both sides of the coin you keep harping on Sachin's failiures only. Sure as hell you will play dumb and deaf if he hits a century next match.

11/1/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Please don't get started again. Still, one, no one says good performances from others have to take back seat. Especially in this case your assertion is misplaced as Kumble is more or less universally acknowledged and celebrated as India's greatest match-winning bowler of all times. Two, Sachin looked comfortable yesterday before getting run out trying to steal a single. Still, he looks a bit out of form. But even more so looked Sehwag. That goes on always. Right now Sehwag, Sachin look out of form, while Dhoni, Gambhir and Yuvraj look in great touch. 2 months down the line it may be just the opposite. Unfortunate that while you keep saying that we should look at both sides of the coin you keep harping on Sachin's failiures only. Sure as hell you will play dumb and deaf if he hits a century next match.
Hopes are for eternity, let us hope so, as things stay, next match will be duck for Sachin, possible century is in 6th match.

11/1/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Hopes are for eternity, let us hope so, as things stay, next match will be duck for Sachin, possible century is in 6th match.
What exactly do you mean? If, by any chance (and I really hope I am misinterpretting your comment), you are suggesting that you hope that Sachin gets a duck in the next match, well, firstly you are blatantly betraying that your views on Sachin is based on a negative bias and not reason, secondly any Indian who hopes that an Indian batsman (not just Sachin, but anyone) gets a duck in a match becomes 'public enemy number one', and unlike in the movie, justifiably so.

11/1/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Sachin is respected by me and all for his good performances, but not at the cost of many others, and their performances, just because some are low profile, it does not mean their good performances take back seat. 3rd one day again saw the not so great performance for the third time of Sachin, could not play the spin also, slow run rate is a big burden for others in the team.Luckily, bowlers did well to restrain Aussies to moderate score with good fielding, Sachin rested after 21 over from the field, Virat replacing him.
ur talking about low profile....wen sachin came into the cricket world, he wasnt a politician's son or something or had a high profile 4m the day 1......he was jus a kid n given the same treatment a newcomer recieves.....if he has that high profile now, pple love talking abt him more, ITS COZ HE HAS EARNED IT....he has given so much that none has given to this indian cricket......

11/1/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Hopes are for eternity, let us hope so, as things stay, next match will be duck for Sachin, possible century is in 6th match.
man ur impossible.......

11/2/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
man ur impossible.......
Lady, my admirations for you, for your indomitable defense for defenseless.Many have contributed much more if not less for cricket in India.After all it is a team game.

11/2/09
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i  will be proud myself  because i was born in sachin's nation


11/2/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
man ur impossible.......
Watch out for failure , it is not such a bad word, after all, makes one perform better, weakness against rising deliveries by the bats of India is well known, complacency and run outs go together for any team.! Night outs of Yuvaraj, Dhoni and Bhajji may end up with Sachins' duck.@ batting.

11/2/09
1
raja_starkglass wrote:
Watch out for failure , it is not such a bad word, after all, makes one perform better, weakness against rising deliveries by the bats of India is well known, complacency and run outs go together for any team.! Night outs of Yuvaraj, Dhoni and Bhajji may end up with Sachins' duck.@ batting.
Perhaps all of us have misunderstood you all along. Perhaps you are not a sports and cricket lover at all but a mere quack astrologer. In which case your opinions cease to matter to the serious cricket lovers. Just so ironic that on the day you tried to give a bizzarre explaination (your speciality anyway) to Sachin's run out Australia ends up with 4!!!! And of course failiure is a stepping stone to success. Last thing we need is quotations from the kindergarten book of proverbs. Sachin knows that very well. I could have tried to cite instances of the same to you, but I know while that would suffice to a cricket lover it will not for our resident wannabe Nostradamus. So I wont bother.

11/2/09
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The latest quote on Sachin has been provided by Yuvraj Singh. Talking to TOI yesterday he was asked whether the team was planning something special in case Sachin got to 17,000 in Mohali. Here goes the reply: "Plan? We are in fact tired of planning celebrations for him. Every week the guy goes on to make some record or other. How many times can you celebrate?"

11/2/09
1
raja_starkglass wrote:
Watch out for failure , it is not such a bad word, after all, makes one perform better, weakness against rising deliveries by the bats of India is well known, complacency and run outs go together for any team.! Night outs of Yuvaraj, Dhoni and Bhajji may end up with Sachins' duck.@ batting.
Neither one that u think of, just prodding passive minds to be positive, that is all.! :-D

11/2/09
1
aritragupta wrote:
Perhaps all of us have misunderstood you all along. Perhaps you are not a sports and cricket lover at all but a mere quack astrologer. In which case your opinions cease to matter to the serious cricket lovers. Just so ironic that on the day you tried to give a bizzarre explaination (your speciality anyway) to Sachin's run out Australia ends up with 4!!!! And of course failiure is a stepping stone to success. Last thing we need is quotations from the kindergarten book of proverbs. Sachin knows that very well. I could have tried to cite instances of the same to you, but I know while that would suffice to a cricket lover it will not for our resident wannabe Nostradamus. So I wont bother.
See the results of positive energies.!

11/2/09
1
aritragupta wrote:
Perhaps all of us have misunderstood you all along. Perhaps you are not a sports and cricket lover at all but a mere quack astrologer. In which case your opinions cease to matter to the serious cricket lovers. Just so ironic that on the day you tried to give a bizzarre explaination (your speciality anyway) to Sachin's run out Australia ends up with 4!!!! And of course failiure is a stepping stone to success. Last thing we need is quotations from the kindergarten book of proverbs. Sachin knows that very well. I could have tried to cite instances of the same to you, but I know while that would suffice to a cricket lover it will not for our resident wannabe Nostradamus. So I wont bother.
 Woh, ha, what a wonderful expressions of passionate mind.! Well, I am neither an astrologer, nor a quack, but these go hand in hand, for passionate minds. ! Astrology is a science, interpretation is an art, quacks make it an art of perfect gains of material wealth for the gullible. ! As to bizarre, go to the poll about 4th match, the posting made there is much more earlier than today's' game, mind can play bizarre. And again, please do not be so impatient to accuse others on this site with weird words.!

11/2/09
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 If one loves a sport like cricket, does it mean that s/he should overlook the bad performances and appreciate only few good performances, that too of select few.? Arithra, if you have fixed opinion like me that is your choice, but be tolerent to others views with open mind, please, 

11/2/09
0
raja_starkglass wrote:
 If one loves a sport like cricket, does it mean that s/he should overlook the bad performances and appreciate only few good performances, that too of select few.? Arithra, if you have fixed opinion like me that is your choice, but be tolerent to others views with open mind, please, 
If I was not tolerant dear I would have stopped reacting to your comments long ago. Coming back to the arts of predictions and all the accompanying paraphernalia, well, I hope you are watching the match. Your predictions/ astrological acumen, or whatever has been thrown out of the window by an obviously very much out of form Tendulkar. So better luck next time. Till then Au Revoir.

11/2/09
1
raja_starkglass wrote:
 If one loves a sport like cricket, does it mean that s/he should overlook the bad performances and appreciate only few good performances, that too of select few.? Arithra, if you have fixed opinion like me that is your choice, but be tolerent to others views with open mind, please, 
Final response: Tendulkar falls for 40. Not duck. And, oh yes, replays suggest he was not out.

11/2/09
1
aritragupta wrote:
Final response: Tendulkar falls for 40. Not duck. And, oh yes, replays suggest he was not out.
Semis for semi-finals,,,, :-D

11/2/09
0
raja_starkglass wrote:
Semis for semi-finals,,,, :-D
You just keep discovering new levels for vague comments. Congrats. You just discovered another.

11/2/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
 If one loves a sport like cricket, does it mean that s/he should overlook the bad performances and appreciate only few good performances, that too of select few.? Arithra, if you have fixed opinion like me that is your choice, but be tolerent to others views with open mind, please, 
i think first of all u need to understand that.....than aritra...... 

11/2/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
i think first of all u need to understand that.....than aritra...... 
Right. And Thanks.

11/3/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Good collection of quotes on Sachin (I did not know about quite a few). But I somewhat resent the term 'idolize.' Idolize is when we turn a blind eye to the failiures and just project the successes. In Sachin's case the successes outweigh the failiures by a huge margin. So 'idolatry' is not required. We love him and respect him and acknowledge him to be on of the best ever simply because of what he has done, and doing.
do you all remember the batting of sachin tendulkar in shahjaha cup against australia after that series shane warne the ;legend leg spiner of australia said
i have seen sachin in my dreams hittin sixes over my head

11/3/09
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aritragupta wrote:
If I was not tolerant dear I would have stopped reacting to your comments long ago. Coming back to the arts of predictions and all the accompanying paraphernalia, well, I hope you are watching the match. Your predictions/ astrological acumen, or whatever has been thrown out of the window by an obviously very much out of form Tendulkar. So better luck next time. Till then Au Revoir.
So, now it is out of form..............................? :-D

11/3/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
i think first of all u need to understand that.....than aritra...... 
Thanks for thinking........................!!!!!!!! :-D

11/3/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
man ur impossible.......
Not bad for a starter, many names are called, quack, astrologer, public enemy, many say I am responsible. ! My daughters' favourite is this, impossible dad. !

11/3/09
2
raja_starkglass wrote:
Thanks for thinking........................!!!!!!!! :-D
wen others don do, unfortunately u hv to do thier part also......

11/3/09
0
raja_starkglass wrote:
Sachin is respected by me and all for his good performances, but not at the cost of many others, and their performances, just because some are low profile, it does not mean their good performances take back seat. 3rd one day again saw the not so great performance for the third time of Sachin, could not play the spin also, slow run rate is a big burden for others in the team.Luckily, bowlers did well to restrain Aussies to moderate score with good fielding, Sachin rested after 21 over from the field, Virat replacing him.

you are saying totally wrong because other players also get chance but they are not performing well ex virat kohli how much time he made hundred and fifties and he is a special batsmen which is his average of runs
you saying wrong because you are ediot box


11/4/09
1
raja_starkglass wrote:
So, now it is out of form..............................? :-D
Why am I surprised, even if it is you? What you prove today is what I have been saying all along. You do not read through the posts other make because that does not suit your purpose. On the 1st of this month I replied to one of your usual baseless comments in which I clearly mentioned Sachin does not look in good touch in this series. Obviously you did not go through that post properly, and surprised yourself when you read my comment in the later post. Well, dear, while we are in the business of quoting from the Kindergarten book of proverbs, let me give you one of my favourites: Form is temporary, Class is permanent. I could have, of course, quoted performances on a series by series basis (I could do that you know, I like numbers that much), and proven that even bad form has affected Sachin lesser than any of his contemporaries. But, then, you cannot be expected to actually go through that data since it does not suit you. So, why bother?

11/4/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Thanks for thinking........................!!!!!!!! :-D
Dear Raja, I know you do not like dictionaries. But, stil, here goes: Think, verb, to form ideas in the mind based on reason. You see? "reason." I believe Tanu has been thinking all along. Proof: Tanu has been providing reasons to opinions expressed. Mr Raja, on the other hand, I am not sure about. Reason: Despite repeated challenges and requests and proddings he has stoutly refused to have anything to do with reason, proof, justification, etc.

11/4/09
0
Recently Mr.Raja suggested that I did not have tolerance to the views of others. It hurt me because I pride myself on objectivity. So, why am I getting impatient? Just for the record, this discussion about Sachin has been going on in 2 other topics as well. Mr.Raja, of course, has been very forthright with his vitriolic outbursts against the Maestro in all of these threads. First he accused Sachin of doing politics against Ganguly and Dravid. He was, in reply, provided quotes from people assciated with the India team (including Ganguly himself) to prove no one else believed in that allegation. Mr.Raja was requested to give proof about his allegations. He, then, actually said when politics was happening Sachin did not get involved. That is politics!!! When the lack of logic in this statement was pointed out Raja, then, changed track and said Sachin never wins matches for India and plays only for himself. In response statistics about India's win record when Sachin scored a century as well as the number of times he has stayed till the end of the innings to guide India to victory was given to him. He did not respond agin, but once more changed line. This time he said Sachin may have been a good player once, but now he is finished, and also performances of other players (including Kumble!!!) were being ignored because of the focus on Sachin. In reply details of Sachin's performances in the last 4 years and their comparison with other Indian batsmen was provided to him (the list of Indian batsmen was provided by Raja himself, the only time he has responded to a challenge. That he forgot mentioning Gambhir, the best Indian batsman in terms of form in recent times, is beside the point). Typically, Raja did not respond again. And now he has come to this topic and made those same old allegations all over again. And again he refuses to provide an iota of proof to support these allegations, rather preferring to hide behind metaphysical statements. So, there has been enough reason for impatience because this has been going on for a long time and leading to nowhere. But still, I apologise if someone finds my posts a bit rude in tone. The impatience is with the situation.

11/4/09
0
aritragupta wrote:
Why am I surprised, even if it is you? What you prove today is what I have been saying all along. You do not read through the posts other make because that does not suit your purpose. On the 1st of this month I replied to one of your usual baseless comments in which I clearly mentioned Sachin does not look in good touch in this series. Obviously you did not go through that post properly, and surprised yourself when you read my comment in the later post. Well, dear, while we are in the business of quoting from the Kindergarten book of proverbs, let me give you one of my favourites: Form is temporary, Class is permanent. I could have, of course, quoted performances on a series by series basis (I could do that you know, I like numbers that much), and proven that even bad form has affected Sachin lesser than any of his contemporaries. But, then, you cannot be expected to actually go through that data since it does not suit you. So, why bother?

i am sorry about my  comments but there is huge burden about getting 17000 runs in ODI
this reason tendulkar playing slowly and humpire taking wrong decission of lbw  


11/4/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Raja, I know you do not like dictionaries. But, stil, here goes: Think, verb, to form ideas in the mind based on reason. You see? "reason." I believe Tanu has been thinking all along. Proof: Tanu has been providing reasons to opinions expressed. Mr Raja, on the other hand, I am not sure about. Reason: Despite repeated challenges and requests and proddings he has stoutly refused to have anything to do with reason, proof, justification, etc.
True friend, "rising" to the occassion. :-D

11/4/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Why am I surprised, even if it is you? What you prove today is what I have been saying all along. You do not read through the posts other make because that does not suit your purpose. On the 1st of this month I replied to one of your usual baseless comments in which I clearly mentioned Sachin does not look in good touch in this series. Obviously you did not go through that post properly, and surprised yourself when you read my comment in the later post. Well, dear, while we are in the business of quoting from the Kindergarten book of proverbs, let me give you one of my favourites: Form is temporary, Class is permanent. I could have, of course, quoted performances on a series by series basis (I could do that you know, I like numbers that much), and proven that even bad form has affected Sachin lesser than any of his contemporaries. But, then, you cannot be expected to actually go through that data since it does not suit you. So, why bother?
I am in kindergarten, thanks. As to form and class, nothing is permanent, time has proved it many times.!

11/4/09
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Dear Deepak, trust me Sachin is used to that pressure. Remember he was the first to reach 14,000, first to 15,000 and first to 16,000. Still pressure there could be. Byt Sachin's innings, if it appeared slow, had more to do with conditions, situation and the job role he was assigned. In fact his strike rate post Sehwag's dismissal was around 75. Also take into account the fact that Kohli, Yuvraj, Dhoni, Raina and Jadeja had strike rates between 33 and 57 in this match.

11/4/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
True friend, "rising" to the occassion. :-D
Objective reasoning like the one I provided cannot be branded what you say really. And yes, I generally tend to support someone who is right.

11/4/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
I am in kindergarten, thanks. As to form and class, nothing is permanent, time has proved it many times.!
Oh God, how I hate doing this again!!! Could I hymbly request you, sir, to please provide examples to prove that class is not permanent. While doing that please remember that I have already supplied you data to prove that age has affected neither Sachin's average, nor his strike rate in recent times.

11/4/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
i think first of all u need to understand that.....than aritra...... 
ur talking about low profile....wen sachin came into the cricket world, he wasnt a politician's son or something or had a high profile 4m the day 1......he was jus a kid n given the same treatment a newcomer recieves.....if he has that high profile

11/5/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Oh God, how I hate doing this again!!! Could I hymbly request you, sir, to please provide examples to prove that class is not permanent. While doing that please remember that I have already supplied you data to prove that age has affected neither Sachin's average, nor his strike rate in recent times.
dictionary did not give the meaning of "hymbly" so, shall I take it as arrogance, which is to be avoided, sidestepped in discussion. :-D

11/5/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Objective reasoning like the one I provided cannot be branded what you say really. And yes, I generally tend to support someone who is right.
Thousand opinions can not make one wrong in to right. A million votes can not make a leader, a good human.

11/5/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
dictionary did not give the meaning of "hymbly" so, shall I take it as arrogance, which is to be avoided, sidestepped in discussion. :-D
You want to side-step questions by blaming typing errors, that's your wish. I will simply assume you don't have any examples.

11/5/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Thousand opinions can not make one wrong in to right. A million votes can not make a leader, a good human.
And one right cannot be made wrong, no matter how many times you keep repeating it. Goebbles had said what is repeated enough times is right, no matter what the majority thinks. He is dead. And so is his theory.

11/5/09
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aritragupta wrote:
And one right cannot be made wrong, no matter how many times you keep repeating it. Goebbles had said what is repeated enough times is right, no matter what the majority thinks. He is dead. And so is his theory.
Hope u r not keeping his theory alive, :-D

11/5/09
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aritragupta wrote:
You want to side-step questions by blaming typing errors, that's your wish. I will simply assume you don't have any examples.
You have right of all assumptions, discussions have to be with decorum, not arrogance and name calling assumptions., there I do sidestep the names which are not mine. ;-D

11/5/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
You have right of all assumptions, discussions have to be with decorum, not arrogance and name calling assumptions., there I do sidestep the names which are not mine. ;-D
Your assumption of 'arrogance' is based on my inadvarent typing error while writing 'humbly'. As far as name calling goes that's not arrogance, but yes, definitely some measure of impatience at your consistent refusal to give reason and yet keeping on making controversial statements. I have already apologised in a post above for what you call 'name-calling.' Guess it was among the posts you missed.

11/5/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Hope u r not keeping his theory alive, :-D
Clarification: Goebbles actually believed if repeated enough times a satement or claim did not have to be qualified by reason or proof. And you know, of course, who among us does not like giving proof.

11/5/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Your assumption of 'arrogance' is based on my inadvarent typing error while writing 'humbly'. As far as name calling goes that's not arrogance, but yes, definitely some measure of impatience at your consistent refusal to give reason and yet keeping on making controversial statements. I have already apologised in a post above for what you call 'name-calling.' Guess it was among the posts you missed.
I do not have respects left today, sorry I can not even respect your opinion, but now I think you may find me in the same name and avtar anywhere else in the virtual world, unless the rule of "respect" is looked at by the site admn.

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raja_starkglass wrote:
I do not have respects left today, sorry I can not even respect your opinion, but now I think you may find me in the same name and avtar anywhere else in the virtual world, unless the rule of "respect" is looked at by the site admn.
Dear Mr.Rajen, it is very obvious that you cannot take criticism sportingly. I would like to remind you and anyone else reading these posts that but for my insistence on reason this discussion between you and me would be nothing more than a slanging match. Throughout this discussion there has been no reasoning submitted by you. Still, as I made clear in an earlier post, I definitely do not extend the impatience I have for your opinions to you as a person. For all I know, outside of this topic you might be a delightful person. As far as your opinions go, do you really expect me to respect them if you give no reason or proof for it? Finally, I also request the site admin to look into the issue of respect: baseless allegations and slanging against a legend like Sachin Tendulkar has gone on for too long.

11/5/09
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Just one more thing since I do not want this to be a personal fight between us. What I suggest is simply this. You give objective, irrefutable and verifiable proof for whatever allegations you have made about Tendulkar in the 3 topics here and I will, if the proofs are verifiable and irrefutable, put it here, on this post, that your views are justified. If you do not have proof I just request you not to make allegations against a legend.

11/5/09
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Game, set and almost match for Sachin Tendulkar as India just falls short of an impossible target. This despite Gambhir, Yuvraj and Dhoni scoring less than 10, and Sehwag, Gambhir and Yuvraj falling to bad judgement. One thing more, this is one of the rare occassions I heard Sunil Gavaskar questioning a young player's ability and temperament on air, referring to Jadeja's second suicidal run out on the trot.

11/6/09
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yes one player can not win match

11/6/09
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yes one player can not win match

11/6/09
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deepakdghadage wrote:
yes one player can not win match
Absolutely right. That was exactly what was proven yesterday. Sachin scored 175. Raina 59. And the rest....well, it was a story of 2 batting collapses really, with the Sachin-Raina partnership in the middle

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, it is very obvious that you cannot take criticism sportingly. I would like to remind you and anyone else reading these posts that but for my insistence on reason this discussion between you and me would be nothing more than a slanging match. Throughout this discussion there has been no reasoning submitted by you. Still, as I made clear in an earlier post, I definitely do not extend the impatience I have for your opinions to you as a person. For all I know, outside of this topic you might be a delightful person. As far as your opinions go, do you really expect me to respect them if you give no reason or proof for it? Finally, I also request the site admin to look into the issue of respect: baseless allegations and slanging against a legend like Sachin Tendulkar has gone on for too long.
I am very honoured by your "critisism" and also by your opinion on my opinions, as to base and baseless of the opinion, it is again, it is your opinion.I respect you as a person, opinions expressed need to be heard, logic and talks can take place with respect to each other, as otherwise as you rightly put, it is slanging, which i prefer to sidestep Opinion expressed is opinion, take it or leave it, it is my perception, you are entitled to your perception which may see the "record' as great, but my outlook is different, so my agreement is to disagree with you, as citizen, you have right of expression, just as I have, and as to base and facts, statistics, i say again are only some numbers and they do not tell the full picture, so perceptions of statistics also differ from the view point. for me, entire team is important, all have to perform as a team, not one Hero, for records, and team loss. It is not cricket, glorification of a person for self gains is not team glory. You may have the pleasure of it, not me.:-D.

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Clarification: Goebbles actually believed if repeated enough times a satement or claim did not have to be qualified by reason or proof. And you know, of course, who among us does not like giving proof.
Living with past glories do not make today great for living, today, performance counts,if no performance is there, nothing else is to be glorified about, once a king is not always a king, has to make way for the prince at certain stage of game.Long live th king, king is dead.!

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
You want to side-step questions by blaming typing errors, that's your wish. I will simply assume you don't have any examples.
Yesterdays game is enough of an example, of how the team players succumb to the game of one upmanship when he takes his time to take his runs, and the pressure on young guns, statistics show big score, will they show the pressure on next batsman.?

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, it is very obvious that you cannot take criticism sportingly. I would like to remind you and anyone else reading these posts that but for my insistence on reason this discussion between you and me would be nothing more than a slanging match. Throughout this discussion there has been no reasoning submitted by you. Still, as I made clear in an earlier post, I definitely do not extend the impatience I have for your opinions to you as a person. For all I know, outside of this topic you might be a delightful person. As far as your opinions go, do you really expect me to respect them if you give no reason or proof for it? Finally, I also request the site admin to look into the issue of respect: baseless allegations and slanging against a legend like Sachin Tendulkar has gone on for too long.
Sachin can defend his self, chamchas need not jump for it in sycophancy of slave mind set.! Yesterday is the best example how a good team can get destroyed by one "great" record' with loss of game.Stats do not show the wasted deliveries and chances of others as well as that of record holder.!

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Sachin can defend his self, chamchas need not jump for it in sycophancy of slave mind set.! Yesterday is the best example how a good team can get destroyed by one "great" record' with loss of game.Stats do not show the wasted deliveries and chances of others as well as that of record holder.!
sachin record ke liya nahi khelta hai agar o aisa karta tha to o 200 rund bana sakta tha lakin o sambhal k khel raha tha aur match jeet ke nagdik la ke diya tha 3 wickets aur 17 runs banana tha o bhi baki ke player nahi kar sake to sachin kiya kar sakta hai o record ke liya nahi khelta hai record to aapne aap ban jaate hai

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
I am very honoured by your "critisism" and also by your opinion on my opinions, as to base and baseless of the opinion, it is again, it is your opinion.I respect you as a person, opinions expressed need to be heard, logic and talks can take place with respect to each other, as otherwise as you rightly put, it is slanging, which i prefer to sidestep Opinion expressed is opinion, take it or leave it, it is my perception, you are entitled to your perception which may see the "record' as great, but my outlook is different, so my agreement is to disagree with you, as citizen, you have right of expression, just as I have, and as to base and facts, statistics, i say again are only some numbers and they do not tell the full picture, so perceptions of statistics also differ from the view point. for me, entire team is important, all have to perform as a team, not one Hero, for records, and team loss. It is not cricket, glorification of a person for self gains is not team glory. You may have the pleasure of it, not me.:-D.
Dear Mr. Rajen, yesterday I promised myself that since you are a much senior person in age I will be careful with my language. So let me try to put my point as respectfully as possible. I agree everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. But if that opinion is to be placed in public, and especially that opinion is not about the individual himself/herself but someone else, even more so if it is about someone who is universally acknowledged as a legend, the individual, if he is a responsible individual, is liable to give reason/ proof for his opinion. Any opinion, as long as an individual keeps it to himself/herself is the individual's business. Mr.Rajen is entitled to his opinion and need not give any reason, any clarification, any proof for those opinions, but only as long as he is not putting forth those opinions on a public forum as an argument in a debate. Once that happens, Mr. Rajen should be liable to be asked for reason/ proof/ logic. Cricket is, of course, a team game and I dare say I have reiterated this point more times in the course of our discussions across three topics than even you have. But in every team game there are individual legends, in every team game the position, contribution and pre-eminence of these legends are acknowledged. Any which way to say on the one hand that cricket is a team game, and on the other hand try to blame an individual for the performance of a team down the years is self-contradictory. We may all respect you as an individual, sir, but you may not find self-contradictory statements get too much respect anywhere. One last thing, I know that Mr. Neville Cardus said that the scoreboard is an ass, but he did not really have access to the kind of data and analytical tools available now. Also, I earnestly request you not to start the debate on win/loss again. Twice in the past I have given specific information on that topic. And yes sir I am still waiting for any response from you on them.

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Living with past glories do not make today great for living, today, performance counts,if no performance is there, nothing else is to be glorified about, once a king is not always a king, has to make way for the prince at certain stage of game.Long live th king, king is dead.!
Even after yesterday, sir?????? Now I am respecting just your age.

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Yesterdays game is enough of an example, of how the team players succumb to the game of one upmanship when he takes his time to take his runs, and the pressure on young guns, statistics show big score, will they show the pressure on next batsman.?
Dear Mr.Rajen, I refuse to believe you saw a single ball of yesterday's match. The scoreboard may be a fool, but not fool enough to suggest this: At the end of the 10th over Sachin was on 24 from 26 balls, 20th over 68 from 62, 30th over 111 from 88, 40th over 158 from 125, he got out for 175 from 141. When, all through this, was he taking his time to score runs??? And dear sir, no one put pressure on young guns, except the Australians , of course, but that's their job. Au contraire serious doubts about the 'young gun' who was with Sachin when he got out by a man no less thab Sunil Gavaskar, and I quote: "He is a bolter. This is the second time he has run himself out. He got out exactly like this in the last match as well. A serious lack of temperament I call it." I have nothing against Jadeja. He is a young player with unproven and doubtful potential, and only time will reveal his worth. But since you talked about pressure I say this: whether you are 18 or 40, if you cannot absorb pressure you are not ready for International Cricket.

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, I refuse to believe you saw a single ball of yesterday's match. The scoreboard may be a fool, but not fool enough to suggest this: At the end of the 10th over Sachin was on 24 from 26 balls, 20th over 68 from 62, 30th over 111 from 88, 40th over 158 from 125, he got out for 175 from 141. When, all through this, was he taking his time to score runs??? And dear sir, no one put pressure on young guns, except the Australians , of course, but that's their job. Au contraire serious doubts about the 'young gun' who was with Sachin when he got out by a man no less thab Sunil Gavaskar, and I quote: "He is a bolter. This is the second time he has run himself out. He got out exactly like this in the last match as well. A serious lack of temperament I call it." I have nothing against Jadeja. He is a young player with unproven and doubtful potential, and only time will reveal his worth. But since you talked about pressure I say this: whether you are 18 or 40, if you cannot absorb pressure you are not ready for International Cricket.
Believe what ever you have sir, that will not change the facts, based on belief, that is the reason, it is belief.

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Even after yesterday, sir?????? Now I am respecting just your age.
Please, it is our culture, to respect wisdom and grace also, even if we do not agree, but if you like verbal brawl, I am not in. :-D Gracefully yours, not to believe, love and regards, :-D.

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr. Rajen, yesterday I promised myself that since you are a much senior person in age I will be careful with my language. So let me try to put my point as respectfully as possible. I agree everyone is entitled to his/her opinion. But if that opinion is to be placed in public, and especially that opinion is not about the individual himself/herself but someone else, even more so if it is about someone who is universally acknowledged as a legend, the individual, if he is a responsible individual, is liable to give reason/ proof for his opinion. Any opinion, as long as an individual keeps it to himself/herself is the individual's business. Mr.Rajen is entitled to his opinion and need not give any reason, any clarification, any proof for those opinions, but only as long as he is not putting forth those opinions on a public forum as an argument in a debate. Once that happens, Mr. Rajen should be liable to be asked for reason/ proof/ logic. Cricket is, of course, a team game and I dare say I have reiterated this point more times in the course of our discussions across three topics than even you have. But in every team game there are individual legends, in every team game the position, contribution and pre-eminence of these legends are acknowledged. Any which way to say on the one hand that cricket is a team game, and on the other hand try to blame an individual for the performance of a team down the years is self-contradictory. We may all respect you as an individual, sir, but you may not find self-contradictory statements get too much respect anywhere. One last thing, I know that Mr. Neville Cardus said that the scoreboard is an ass, but he did not really have access to the kind of data and analytical tools available now. Also, I earnestly request you not to start the debate on win/loss again. Twice in the past I have given specific information on that topic. And yes sir I am still waiting for any response from you on them.
Sir, it is not your fault, it is corroding our inner soul, when we give so much importance for the one and not the all in the team, site loves to have perhaps verbal brawl, like in a pub, physical violence to improve its presence of eyeballs and viewership, which is not a new trend. :-D

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Sachin can defend his self, chamchas need not jump for it in sycophancy of slave mind set.! Yesterday is the best example how a good team can get destroyed by one "great" record' with loss of game.Stats do not show the wasted deliveries and chances of others as well as that of record holder.!
After all that you said yesterday 'chamcha' is a rather derogatory term. Anyway I still stick to my 'oath' to be polite despite your not too subtle provocation. Dear Mr.Rajen, please understand this, Mr.Aritra Gupta, 27, is a nobody and Mr. Sachin Tendulkar, 36, does not give a damn what he thinks. The same applies to Mr. Rajen, 59. That man does not need to defend himself aginst you. It is simply not worth his time. And loss of game, Mr.Rajen? reality check please: segwag 38 (30), Gambhir 8 (13), Yuvraj 9 (10), Dhoni 6 (15), Raina 59 (59), Harbhajan 0 (2), Jadeja 23 (17), Praveen Kumar 9 (9), Nehra 1 (2), Munaf 2 (3). Tendulkar scores more than half the runs India scores, he has, ny far, the best strike rate, all this while the entire batting line-up with the exception of Raina collapses spectacularly after a horrible performance by the Indian bowlers, and you believe 'a good team is destroyed by one great record?' Forgive me if it appears I am breaking my promise but this is hilarious!!!

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Please, it is our culture, to respect wisdom and grace also, even if we do not agree, but if you like verbal brawl, I am not in. :-D Gracefully yours, not to believe, love and regards, :-D.
Belief cannot be reason, sir. Honestly speaking if your belief is the only reason for what you are saying I need not comment further because this no longer remains a debate. Also, in that case, sir, I believe this is not the appropriate forum for what you are saying.

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Yesterdays game is enough of an example, of how the team players succumb to the game of one upmanship when he takes his time to take his runs, and the pressure on young guns, statistics show big score, will they show the pressure on next batsman.?
i hv already had enuf of u .....m disgusted with ur comments now....
U REALLY NEED A REALITY CHEK.....n aritra u don need to show any respect to him jus coz he is elder.....he claims he follows cricket n he DOESNT PAY ANY RESPECT TO wat even the greatest of the cricketers say about a legend sachin tendulkar....they r much above than him in understanding cricket  AS WELL AS IN AGE.....

11/6/09
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I have promised respect in words, but made very clear baseless staements cannot be respected.

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Sir, it is not your fault, it is corroding our inner soul, when we give so much importance for the one and not the all in the team, site loves to have perhaps verbal brawl, like in a pub, physical violence to improve its presence of eyeballs and viewership, which is not a new trend. :-D
Dear Mr.Rajen, believe me, being disrespectful to the true legends is also a new trend. Rather sad to see a 59 year old man indulging in it, though.

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
I have promised respect in words, but made very clear baseless staements cannot be respected.
aritra...thats wat i was doing ignoring him 4m a long time now....but even after yesterday...wen he gave such disgusting comments...i jus cunt control myself.......

11/6/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Please, it is our culture, to respect wisdom and grace also, even if we do not agree, but if you like verbal brawl, I am not in. :-D Gracefully yours, not to believe, love and regards, :-D.
Dear Mr.Rajen, please think about this: when you hurl unsupported allegations at Sachin Tendulkar you call into question not only the views of 99% of the cricket fans around the world, but actually disrespect, and question the knowledge, impartiality and views of people like Sunil Gavaskar, Ian Chappel, Shane Warne, Viv richards, Ravi Shastri, and even Sir Donald Bradman. It is definitely in our culture to respect proven wisdom and expertise. I hope, sir, that in future we will see you giving more respect to that culture. Also sir, grace cannot be a cover for attempting to disgrace legends. I request you to please desist from such attempts.

11/6/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
i hv already had enuf of u .....m disgusted with ur comments now....
U REALLY NEED A REALITY CHEK.....n aritra u don need to show any respect to him jus coz he is elder.....he claims he follows cricket n he DOESNT PAY ANY RESPECT TO wat even the greatest of the cricketers say about a legend sachin tendulkar....they r much above than him in understanding cricket  AS WELL AS IN AGE.....
The greatest problem, Tanu, is that Mr.Rajen unfortunately does not really seem to follow cricket at all. His comments about yesterday's game (for example, he says Sachin took time to score his runs yesterday!) proves that. I have a very funny feeling that probably Mr.Rajen is just having his laughs at our expense - by provoking us and watching the reactions. Probably he never was serious at all. Probably he does not even follow cricket regularly. If so, the best thing probably will be to ignore his comments altogether.

11/6/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
aritra...thats wat i was doing ignoring him 4m a long time now....but even after yesterday...wen he gave such disgusting comments...i jus cunt control myself.......
Yeah that's what's happening. Actually I have been literally daring him to give prrof to support his charges. But apparently he believes he is beyond questioning and so does not need to prove his points. Today he actually said it in a post above: " that is the reason, it is belief." After that not much is there to be said, is there?

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Yeah that's what's happening. Actually I have been literally daring him to give prrof to support his charges. But apparently he believes he is beyond questioning and so does not need to prove his points. Today he actually said it in a post above: " that is the reason, it is belief." After that not much is there to be said, is there?
m jus totally disgusted with his comments........i don understand how can he cant see wat sachin has done....agar pehle nahi bhi dekha....atleast sachin's last performance was a real eye opener 4 him....n even then...jus look at his comments......OMG! i jus cunt believe my eyes.....

11/6/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Yeah that's what's happening. Actually I have been literally daring him to give prrof to support his charges. But apparently he believes he is beyond questioning and so does not need to prove his points. Today he actually said it in a post above: " that is the reason, it is belief." After that not much is there to be said, is there?
i think there is no need to worry dear mr. rajen has got his answer by the last inning of sachin.
don't give him reply let masters's bat reply.

11/7/09
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anuragshukla2088 wrote:
i think there is no need to worry dear mr. rajen has got his answer by the last inning of sachin.
don't give him reply let masters's bat reply.
231 times in his international career Sachin Tendulkar has gone past 50. On 87 of those 231 he has gone past 100. In the last 2 years he has scored more than 2000 runs in ODIs alone. Unfortunately, Anurag, Mr. Rajen is not looking for answers.

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
After all that you said yesterday 'chamcha' is a rather derogatory term. Anyway I still stick to my 'oath' to be polite despite your not too subtle provocation. Dear Mr.Rajen, please understand this, Mr.Aritra Gupta, 27, is a nobody and Mr. Sachin Tendulkar, 36, does not give a damn what he thinks. The same applies to Mr. Rajen, 59. That man does not need to defend himself aginst you. It is simply not worth his time. And loss of game, Mr.Rajen? reality check please: segwag 38 (30), Gambhir 8 (13), Yuvraj 9 (10), Dhoni 6 (15), Raina 59 (59), Harbhajan 0 (2), Jadeja 23 (17), Praveen Kumar 9 (9), Nehra 1 (2), Munaf 2 (3). Tendulkar scores more than half the runs India scores, he has, ny far, the best strike rate, all this while the entire batting line-up with the exception of Raina collapses spectacularly after a horrible performance by the Indian bowlers, and you believe 'a good team is destroyed by one great record?' Forgive me if it appears I am breaking my promise but this is hilarious!!!
Thanks for making me see the profile of yours, where you describe yourself as "fanatic", fans can have discussions, not with fanatic.

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, believe me, being disrespectful to the true legends is also a new trend. Rather sad to see a 59 year old man indulging in it, though.
Age , color of hairs and size of the body does not matter in discussions, what matters is healthy respect for each other, to see others viewpoint, understand, the views, but as you know, fanatics have only negative emotions of passions, violent anger, jelousy and lead only to pleasures out of violent actions, which I hope you have earned enough respect like a fanatic. ! One fanatic for faith, made it misery and death of 9/11, another responded by destruction and death it humanity of two nations, now citizens are paying for the mistakes with their tax out of hard earned wealth.Fans, will have discussions, fanatic can lead to arguments followed by reasoned violence. Love and regards,:-D

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, please think about this: when you hurl unsupported allegations at Sachin Tendulkar you call into question not only the views of 99% of the cricket fans around the world, but actually disrespect, and question the knowledge, impartiality and views of people like Sunil Gavaskar, Ian Chappel, Shane Warne, Viv richards, Ravi Shastri, and even Sir Donald Bradman. It is definitely in our culture to respect proven wisdom and expertise. I hope, sir, that in future we will see you giving more respect to that culture. Also sir, grace cannot be a cover for attempting to disgrace legends. I request you to please desist from such attempts.
Sachin has displayed his grace in his hesitancy to accept the man of the award for the performance which speaks of his great human being, his performance which only gave negative results for the team is the concern, as cricket is a team game.Sachin even in few words of acceptance has shown, what great person he is, after him, with no young ones trained with enough skills to play, it is beginning of end of an era.

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
After all that you said yesterday 'chamcha' is a rather derogatory term. Anyway I still stick to my 'oath' to be polite despite your not too subtle provocation. Dear Mr.Rajen, please understand this, Mr.Aritra Gupta, 27, is a nobody and Mr. Sachin Tendulkar, 36, does not give a damn what he thinks. The same applies to Mr. Rajen, 59. That man does not need to defend himself aginst you. It is simply not worth his time. And loss of game, Mr.Rajen? reality check please: segwag 38 (30), Gambhir 8 (13), Yuvraj 9 (10), Dhoni 6 (15), Raina 59 (59), Harbhajan 0 (2), Jadeja 23 (17), Praveen Kumar 9 (9), Nehra 1 (2), Munaf 2 (3). Tendulkar scores more than half the runs India scores, he has, ny far, the best strike rate, all this while the entire batting line-up with the exception of Raina collapses spectacularly after a horrible performance by the Indian bowlers, and you believe 'a good team is destroyed by one great record?' Forgive me if it appears I am breaking my promise but this is hilarious!!!
why, it is common one used for the likes who are fanatically reason out their actions for the unknown causes for selfish gains, you should be happy that you have earned enough respect by now.?

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Thanks for making me see the profile of yours, where you describe yourself as "fanatic", fans can have discussions, not with fanatic.
Dear Mr.Rajen, these are my last replies to whatever you have to say about Sachin Tendulkar. I accept the charge of being a 'cricket fanatic.' With that goes the time and effort I put in to understand the game, its history, its players, and yes, its technicalities. It would have been wise if you had done that too. I have to say this, you are my senior in age but I understand the game better than at least you. There are, of course maby who understand the game better than me. You, sir, are not among them definitely.

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, these are my last replies to whatever you have to say about Sachin Tendulkar. I accept the charge of being a 'cricket fanatic.' With that goes the time and effort I put in to understand the game, its history, its players, and yes, its technicalities. It would have been wise if you had done that too. I have to say this, you are my senior in age but I understand the game better than at least you. There are, of course maby who understand the game better than me. You, sir, are not among them definitely.
Your view are respected, not agreed with, thank you, :-D

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, believe me, being disrespectful to the true legends is also a new trend. Rather sad to see a 59 year old man indulging in it, though.
What is new is the branding opinions of "disrespect" of critics.! Of course you have many to agree with you, experience is old, new ones come with knowledge, to make that wisdom.:-D

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
After all that you said yesterday 'chamcha' is a rather derogatory term. Anyway I still stick to my 'oath' to be polite despite your not too subtle provocation. Dear Mr.Rajen, please understand this, Mr.Aritra Gupta, 27, is a nobody and Mr. Sachin Tendulkar, 36, does not give a damn what he thinks. The same applies to Mr. Rajen, 59. That man does not need to defend himself aginst you. It is simply not worth his time. And loss of game, Mr.Rajen? reality check please: segwag 38 (30), Gambhir 8 (13), Yuvraj 9 (10), Dhoni 6 (15), Raina 59 (59), Harbhajan 0 (2), Jadeja 23 (17), Praveen Kumar 9 (9), Nehra 1 (2), Munaf 2 (3). Tendulkar scores more than half the runs India scores, he has, ny far, the best strike rate, all this while the entire batting line-up with the exception of Raina collapses spectacularly after a horrible performance by the Indian bowlers, and you believe 'a good team is destroyed by one great record?' Forgive me if it appears I am breaking my promise but this is hilarious!!!
H A R I S A D U naukri.com, ad. :-D

11/7/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
i hv already had enuf of u .....m disgusted with ur comments now....
U REALLY NEED A REALITY CHEK.....n aritra u don need to show any respect to him jus coz he is elder.....he claims he follows cricket n he DOESNT PAY ANY RESPECT TO wat even the greatest of the cricketers say about a legend sachin tendulkar....they r much above than him in understanding cricket  AS WELL AS IN AGE.....
H - A - R - I _S - A- D - U

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Even after yesterday, sir?????? Now I am respecting just your age.
Am hearing the jingle of naukro advertisement.! :-D

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Your view are respected, not agreed with, thank you, :-D
Neither do I agree with yours. Sorry to say this, but since 'belief' is the only reason for what you say I cannot even say I respect your views.

11/7/09
0
(Edited by aritragupta)
I, at least, have watched that advertisement. And, sir, this is the first serious instance of actual name calling I have seen on this site. After all your statements against the use of even slightly rude language I at least did not expect this. I am seriously considering reporting this to admin.

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Sachin has displayed his grace in his hesitancy to accept the man of the award for the performance which speaks of his great human being, his performance which only gave negative results for the team is the concern, as cricket is a team game.Sachin even in few words of acceptance has shown, what great person he is, after him, with no young ones trained with enough skills to play, it is beginning of end of an era.
I accept that this is the last phase of an era. But not for a moment did anyone, including Sachin, say he was responsible for the defeat. Of course, he was disappointed by the defeat. Naturally.

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Age , color of hairs and size of the body does not matter in discussions, what matters is healthy respect for each other, to see others viewpoint, understand, the views, but as you know, fanatics have only negative emotions of passions, violent anger, jelousy and lead only to pleasures out of violent actions, which I hope you have earned enough respect like a fanatic. ! One fanatic for faith, made it misery and death of 9/11, another responded by destruction and death it humanity of two nations, now citizens are paying for the mistakes with their tax out of hard earned wealth.Fans, will have discussions, fanatic can lead to arguments followed by reasoned violence. Love and regards,:-D
What matters most is a healthy mind capable of reasoning. When normal people 'discuss' they invariably give reasons. You are simply thrusting distasteful disinformation down our throats. I, sir, refuse to have it.

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
why, it is common one used for the likes who are fanatically reason out their actions for the unknown causes for selfish gains, you should be happy that you have earned enough respect by now.?
I care only about the truth, sir. At your age it might sometimes be the norm to be selectively blind. At mine, rationality is the unwavering norm. One more thing Mr.Rajen, please at least be original. Dont quote what I had said about you a long time back. And yes, fact still remains that we still do not know why you are saying what you are saying.

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
What is new is the branding opinions of "disrespect" of critics.! Of course you have many to agree with you, experience is old, new ones come with knowledge, to make that wisdom.:-D
Unclear and vague, as usual, Mr.Rajen. I will not take the trouble of asking what you mean. It does not matter.

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Age , color of hairs and size of the body does not matter in discussions, what matters is healthy respect for each other, to see others viewpoint, understand, the views, but as you know, fanatics have only negative emotions of passions, violent anger, jelousy and lead only to pleasures out of violent actions, which I hope you have earned enough respect like a fanatic. ! One fanatic for faith, made it misery and death of 9/11, another responded by destruction and death it humanity of two nations, now citizens are paying for the mistakes with their tax out of hard earned wealth.Fans, will have discussions, fanatic can lead to arguments followed by reasoned violence. Love and regards,:-D
Ask anyone who is displaying 'negative emotions of passions' through this discussion Mr.rajen. It pains me to say that your dislike for Sachin tendulkar is so deep rooted that you have lost all sense of logic. And I do not care about 'earning respect as a fanatic.' I do care about truth. And it is no longer funny, nor even disgusting to see you compare me to Laden. Its just plain pitiful to see a man my father's age degrading and disgracing himself like this on a public forum. Trust me Mr.Rajen, i do talk to a lot of people who have read these posts. Believe me, you already have lost a lot of respect. Please stop this now, that's my earnest request. I have been proving everything you say about this topic wrong for almost a month now. I do not have the inclination to take this any further. Just for the record Laden has till date given no reason for what he has done except that he is supposed to be doing the Almighty's work. And yes, you till date have not given any reason for your antagonism towards Sachin Tendulkar excepting "that's my belief." All I can say is please, sir, do not disgrace yourself further. All I can say is please, sir, do not make me humiliate you any more.

11/7/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Age , color of hairs and size of the body does not matter in discussions, what matters is healthy respect for each other, to see others viewpoint, understand, the views, but as you know, fanatics have only negative emotions of passions, violent anger, jelousy and lead only to pleasures out of violent actions, which I hope you have earned enough respect like a fanatic. ! One fanatic for faith, made it misery and death of 9/11, another responded by destruction and death it humanity of two nations, now citizens are paying for the mistakes with their tax out of hard earned wealth.Fans, will have discussions, fanatic can lead to arguments followed by reasoned violence. Love and regards,:-D
Mr Rajen, earlier today I had said in future I intend to ignore you. After today that is definitely the best thing to do because you are not fit to be part of any discussion anyplace that has any respect to rationality. I cannot continue arguing with an irrational man. Also, I am afraid that if this continues I may start losing any respect I have for you. I do not want that to happen. I could have today replied in the same kind of language you have used today. But I resisted your provocation because I had promised myself I would be using more polite language, in deference to your age. I do not want to break that promise either. So in future I will not respond to any comment not directly adressed to me. In this context I also request you to not try and drag me into any discussion with yourself, as I will find any such situation and company perfectly obnoxious.

11/7/09
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(Edited by aritragupta)
I really hope that anyone who feels the same way about your attitude and conduct wiil do the same rather than continuing arguing. That is useless with you.

11/7/09
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aritragupta wrote:
I, at least, have watched that advertisement. And, sir, this is the first serious instance of actual name calling I have seen on this site. After all your statements against the use of even slightly rude language I at least did not expect this. I am seriously considering reporting this to admin.
me too with u.....

11/7/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
me too with u.....
By the way, Tanu, it seems we have Mr.Sunil Gavsakar coming out into the open to put Sachin-baiters like Uncle R here in their rightful place. In his column in the Times of India, Mr. Gavaskar writes: "Before the match started there were, as usual, some who were questioning his form, etc. those who haven't held a bat were at the forefront of this and it can only happen in India where one of our greatest icons has to bear this and prove himself over and over again."

11/7/09
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(Edited by aritragupta)
Tanu had started a good work with the quotes on Sachin. Let me just share a few I know about. And just so nobody cries out "public fanaticism," I will only quote those who have played at the highest level with great success: "There is no shame being beaten by such a great player, Sachin is perhaps only next to the Don." Steve Waugh "If I've to bowl to Sachin, I'll bowl with my helmet on. He hits the ball so hard." Dennis Lillee "Don't bowl him bad balls, he hits the good ones for fours." Michael Kasprowiscz "Tendulkar is the most complete batsman I have stood behind. I saw the hundred in Perth on a bouncy pitch with Hughes, McDermott and Whitney gunning for him? He only had 60-odd when No 11 came in. I've seen him against Warne too." Ian Healy "I still think Tendulkar is the best batsmen in the world ahead of Steve Waugh and Lara." Glenn McGrath "He is currently the best batsman in the world." Sir Gary Sobers "For me, the best batsman in the world is Sachin Tendulkar. I admire Jacques Kallis' consistency and Ricky Ponting, with the purple patch he's going though. Everybody gets 15 minutes of fame. But if there's one person I've admired over a 15-year period, it's definitely Sachin." Brian Lara "I saw him playing on television and was struck by his technique, so I asked my wife to come look at him. Now I never saw myself play, but I feel that this player is playing much the same as I used to play, and she looked at him on Television and said yes, there is a similarity between the two. His compactness, technique, stroke production, It all seemed to gel." Sir Donald Bradman But the quote I am reminded of most right now is what Steve Waugh said after the famous finals at Sharjah, where the mighty Australians were brought to there knees and made to surrender by one man: "we won against ten , but lost to one."

11/8/09
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"we won against ten , but lost to one."
WOW!! great one...it proves wat he was...n believe me if india wud hv won that day....ricky's word wud hv been exactly the same.....its so amazing...that even after 20 years the words 4 this person r still the same.....

11/8/09
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aritragupta wrote:
By the way, Tanu, it seems we have Mr.Sunil Gavsakar coming out into the open to put Sachin-baiters like Uncle R here in their rightful place. In his column in the Times of India, Mr. Gavaskar writes: "Before the match started there were, as usual, some who were questioning his form, etc. those who haven't held a bat were at the forefront of this and it can only happen in India where one of our greatest icons has to bear this and prove himself over and over again."
i jus hope these dumb pple shud start respecting the legend....

11/8/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
"we won against ten , but lost to one."
WOW!! great one...it proves wat he was...n believe me if india wud hv won that day....ricky's word wud hv been exactly the same.....its so amazing...that even after 20 years the words 4 this person r still the same.....
You know the surprising part? 7 of the quotes I referred to are from the Australians. It has been suggested earlier that there is so much discussion about Sachin because we are emotional fools. Never heard anyone call the Aussies emotional fools, have you? They have always been the hard-nosed big bad bullies of International Cricket. It is probably not a coincidence that in the last 20 years they have suffered the most at the hands of Sachin Tendulkar (I guess I will also have to mention VVS Laxman, though not part of this discussion, a magnificent talent who has not done full justice to his abilities, but nevertheless feasted on the Australians). By the way Cricinfo lists Sachin's brutal assault on Shane Warne in this match among the "50 magic moments in Cricket." Cricket historian Boria Mazumdar's report on the confrontation between the legends makes interesting reading: "Shane Warne, injured shoulder ignored, round the wicket to Sachin Tendulkar on a Sharjah track offering some assistance was one such intriguing contest. Before the ball could come down and do its trick, Tendulkar had got to the pitch of it. And once the ball had been reached and the spin smothered, up came the heavy bat with lightning-quick speed to send it straight into the billboards at long-on. Warne had been conquered, Warne had been decimated. And he had been left with a vision that continued to haunt him. Warne, wiping the sweat off his face in frustration, desperation, or bewilderment and appreciation, perhaps. The great Shane Warne, for once in his life, had thrown in the towel. Tendulkar had well and truly won the contest of the titans. And soon, India the Coca-Cola Cup."

11/8/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
i jus hope these dumb pple shud start respecting the legend....
Dont worry. As Mr.Gavaskar goes on to say in that column, they are a negligible minority, but an irritant. Nevertheless, ignoring them is the best option because that's what they are after - attention.

11/16/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dear Mr.Rajen, believe me, being disrespectful to the true legends is also a new trend. Rather sad to see a 59 year old man indulging in it, though.
Not agreeing with an opinion of even the most agreed opinion is not disrespectful to that person /s. Each have there own reasons to glorify some person, for the good of cash till, today the answer to "fanatics ' of individual players is open and stark,as Team india lost the god of indian cricket like any other mortal with only 54 runs on performance board.! The performance of Rahul Dravid, is seen to be appreciated, the skills are no less than anyone, but we know how he was treated .

11/16/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Not agreeing with an opinion of even the most agreed opinion is not disrespectful to that person /s. Each have there own reasons to glorify some person, for the good of cash till, today the answer to "fanatics ' of individual players is open and stark,as Team india lost the god of indian cricket like any other mortal with only 54 runs on performance board.! The performance of Rahul Dravid, is seen to be appreciated, the skills are no less than anyone, but we know how he was treated .
Please adhere to my early request. I have no wish of having any conversation with someone like you. i do not like the company of irrational people. Thanks and hoping not to hear from you in the future. I repeat I will not react to you directly unless a comment is directly adressed to me.

11/16/09
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aritragupta wrote:
I care only about the truth, sir. At your age it might sometimes be the norm to be selectively blind. At mine, rationality is the unwavering norm. One more thing Mr.Rajen, please at least be original. Dont quote what I had said about you a long time back. And yes, fact still remains that we still do not know why you are saying what you are saying.
Truth has many perspectives, so I respect all the perspectives of the truth without condemning the other perspective of truth as perceived by some one, and being selective is not the truth.......it is one who looks at the facts..

11/16/09
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raja_starkglass wrote:
Truth has many perspectives, so I respect all the perspectives of the truth without condemning the other perspective of truth as perceived by some one, and being selective is not the truth.......it is one who looks at the facts..
I repeat my request for a second time. I do not wish to be involved in any discussion with you. I hate irrationality, and have no particular fondness towards irrational men. Moreover, since given your attitude continuing this discussion while continuing to be patient is impossible, I sincerely wish you do not continue this discussion.

11/16/09
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aritragupta wrote:
Dont worry. As Mr.Gavaskar goes on to say in that column, they are a negligible minority, but an irritant. Nevertheless, ignoring them is the best option because that's what they are after - attention.
yeah...ur right.....i think we shud not pay attention to these pple......but seriously i feel pitty on them.....

11/16/09
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tanucute2002 wrote:
yeah...ur right.....i think we shud not pay attention to these pple......but seriously i feel pitty on them.....
Me too. Sad to see Uncle R back by the way.

 
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