Tubby Smith will be headed north to Minnesota (although that could be interpreted as south)

3/22/07 in NCAABB   |   CriticalFanatic   |   respect

Wow. Fans Pressure 2, Coaches 0.  Alford leaves for New Mexico. Tubby leaves for Minnesota.

Nearly (sorry) speechless for many reasons.

1) There's just a small, small part of me nervous because I know Kentucky booster would try just about anything to get Izzo.
2) Surprised (assuming Michigan was interested) Tubby would choose Minnesota.
3) Kentucky fans are just going to swallow up the next guy aren't they?

I think Tubby Smith is a great coach, but he's fallen behind a few rivals in recruiting. Is that because he can't recruit or is that because he's going about things the right way. I suspect the latter, so he's off to a land where he'll be given a red carpet welcoming.

Who will replace him? Izzo isn't going anywhere, but mini Izzo - Tom Crean would listen. That's my prediction. Cue the dominos!

What do you think?

Source: (WLKY - TV Louisville, KY)
Gophers hire Tubby Smith (Star Tribune)
The Tubby Smith Story (Sports Frog)
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3/24/07   |   chuck23

kantwistaye wrote:
I don't give a crap what is expected at Kentucky.  WINNING IS NOT A BIRTH RIGHT. (repeat over and over again)

I would agree that winning is not our birth right as UK fans, but like it or not, we do set the standard by which all else is compared.  Kentucky has more wins then any other NCAA D-1 school, our standards  in the game of college basketball are much higher then those at schools such as Wisconsin and other mid level programs that run through hot and cold streaks.   Kansas, Duke, North Carolina and UCLA fans can understand this.  Once you become accustomed to winning on a regular basis, and going deep into the NCAA tourney, 1 weekend in March just doesn't cut it.  Naturally an off year or two along the way is to be expected, I honestly didn't mind the close games in the Elite 8 against the likes of Michigan State, the best team won that day and we missed another shot at a Final Four, but its when you start becoming a seed lower then a 5 and your getting knocked out before the sweet 16, there is going to be problems.

3/24/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

I don't give a crap what is expected at Kentucky.  WINNING IS NOT A BIRTH RIGHT. (repeat over and over again)

3/23/07   |   flhsbagger

Ryan wrote:

Wow.  That's nuts.  Tubby is the classiest coach I've ever been around.  I hope he's treated a little better in Minnesota than he was in Lexington.

They will treat him better in Minnesota if he can get them to the promised land. Tubby Smith had more wins in the NCAA since 1997 (except for Coach K at Duke) He won the NCAA Championship in 1998 (with an inherited team) and failed to make a Final Four since. Kentucky fans NEEDED to treat Tubby Smith better??? Maybe your goals in Minnesota are set a little lower than the UK loyal fans are. A NCAA appearance is not a barometer of a successful season. Classy does NOT = wins. If Minnesota is trying to turn around an image of nonconformist issues and scandals, they have thier guy. Tubby Smith will turn the program around, and thats what Minnesota needs. Kentucky has a program, what they need is championships. THAT IS WHAT IS EXPECTED!

3/23/07   |   huskerdoug2009   |   2790 respect

CPops wrote:
Billy Gillespie from A&M in Kentucky's future?  UK's own "Unforgettable", John Pelphrey from S.Alabama?  Billy Donovan leave Florida for UK?  Pitino?  Gonna hear a lot of rumors for this job!! 

ESPN keeps saying Mark Few from Gonzaga and Marquette's Coach will be the two front runners in a class of thousands whose name will surface.

3/23/07   |   Ryan   |   153 respect

chuck23 wrote:
Ryan,  if they even interview him, I am personally coming to there to throw you in the Ocean.......LOL.......not really.....but that just made me cringe.

Ha ha.  Welcome to my world. 

 

Don't worry.  I wouldn't even wish that upon Kentucky.

3/23/07   |   chuck23

Ryan wrote:

Hey, Kentucky can have Dave Odom.

 

Ryan,  if they even interview him, I am personally coming to there to throw you in the Ocean.......LOL.......not really.....but that just made me cringe.

3/22/07   |   Ryan   |   153 respect

Hey, Kentucky can have Dave Odom.

 

3/22/07   |   camara21

Would Billy Donovan listen? He might field the call, but I dont think going back to Kentucky is a priority of his, although matching up against Rick Pitino, not only 1 game a year, but for comparing seasons and seeing which one could make his Kentucky school better might be an interesting challenge for him.

 

Billy Gillespie might listen as well, but I dont see him being the kind of National Recruiter you need to be to be successful at Kentucky. Also, his style of Basketball is better suited for the Big 12.

 

Tom Crean keeps getting mentioned but that would be a move backwards and an even more backwords move offensively. Also, can he be a National Recruiter and get signatures from the ELITE prospects-I have my doubts.

 

Mark Few? Travis Ford? John Pelphrey? What do people think KENTUCKY IS, a prepartory school for wannabe major college head coaches. Mark Few is a decent recruiter and a decent evaluator, but definately not UK material.

 

If I was Mitch Barnhardy my coaching list of candidates would include, Billy D(I dont think hell come, but has to be on the list). Rick Pitino, why not, he did it once, he can do it again, and he will be coaching for another 15-20 years. Rick Barnes, great recruiter, UK style of play, solid young coach. John Calipari, he would take the job in a heartbeat, is a great recruiter, kids love him, style of play is definately what UK fans like.

 

Last on my list would be Bruce Pearl. I love his dedication to his program. He has a great personality, his style of play is awesome, and he's done a pretty good job of getting recruits while at UT. He also persuaded Chris Lofton to stay when he wanted to leave. This would be an end of the line look, like if 30 guys turned UK job down, but I do like him.

3/22/07   |   Jengirrl   |   6930 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
I'm really stunned.  This is going to be a nice fit for Tubby though.  If he does at Minnesota what he's done the past few years at Kentucky he'll be worshipped.  Recruiting will be tough for Tubby, but he hasn't had a whole lot of talent at Kentucky.  Its going to be weird having the Gophers be relevant again.

HEY!! I LIKE the idea of being "relevant" again--but it will take at least two years to undo the backsliding that has occurred.  (I was going to mention Clem Haskins and the Final Four year, but that doesn't exist!!)

3/22/07   |   WhoDey   |   6 respect

i was just about to post this news link too, but i was a bit too late

3/22/07   |   fxdirect

CPops wrote:
They did get Tubby to jump from Georgia to Kentucky, didn't they?  I expect a lot of coaches to be interested... this is Kentucky!  Basketball is EVERYTHING there! 

True, but of the coaches you would steal right now, all seem to have better opportunities if they stay where they are.  Donovan, Pearl, Stan Heath.  I would say Mark Gottfried, but he went to Alabama, so I can't see him leaving.

 

Here is an interesting thought, given their run in the SEC tourney and the NIT so far, and a string of success in recent years: Rick Stansbury of Mississippi State ( and yes, this goes against my no SEC coach thought).  He is from Kentucky, although he didn't go to school there.

 

 

3/22/07   |   WhoDey   |   6 respect

Ryan wrote:

Wow.  That's nuts.  Tubby is the classiest coach I've ever been around.  I hope he's treated a little better in Minnesota than he was in Lexington.

He may be classy, but he brought nothing to UK but defense.  UK needs a fast paced offense and and good recruiting.

3/22/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

I like how on the Kentucky boards there that they are convinced that Billy Donavon or Billy Gillespie are coming to Lexington.  I just think that those guys are better off where they are at.  Then again I said 'Bama football wasn't the job that Bama fans thought it was and they ended up with Nick Saban so who knows.

3/22/07   |   fxdirect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
I agree with the statement that Michigan would be more of a frying pan than Minnesota ... but Michigan is the Kentucky of the Big Ten??

Minus the national titles, final fours, facilities, fan base that truly cares about basketball ... what else. They had the Fab Five but that was done illegally. Michigan was good in the 70s and late 80s.

The only other school I would put on par with Michigan in the Big Ten in terms of history and rabid fan base is Indiana.  Maybe Indiana is the Kentucky of the Big Ten...  But Michigan would be a close second I would say...

3/22/07   |   fxdirect

CPops wrote:
How about another one... John Calipari from Memphis? 

Funny, I just mentioned that one to a friend of mine. 

 

I think that is a distinct possibility.

3/22/07   |   CPops

fxdirect wrote:

My best bet on this, especially with regards to the Michigan thing, is that Tubby didn't want to jump from one frying pan into another.  And Michigan is the Kentucky of the Big Ten, even if they haven't been very good lately.  They still have that mystique about them from their past, and the fans/boosters/administration there is brutal.

 

I don't see them getting another SEC coach to jump over to Kentucky, and I doubt we will see Pitino come back...  and I am never right with guesses on replacements...

(Edited by CPops)

They did get Tubby to jump from Georgia to Kentucky, didn't they?  I expect a lot of coaches to be interested... this is Kentucky!  Basketball is EVERYTHING there! 

3/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

fxdirect wrote:

My best bet on this, especially with regards to the Michigan thing, is that Tubby didn't want to jump from one frying pan into another.  And Michigan is the Kentucky of the Big Ten, even if they haven't been very good lately.  They still have that mystique about them from their past, and the fans/boosters/administration there is brutal.

 

I don't see them getting another SEC coach to jump over to Kentucky, and I doubt we will see Pitino come back...  and I am never right with guesses on replacements...

I agree with the statement that Michigan would be more of a frying pan than Minnesota ... but Michigan is the Kentucky of the Big Ten??

Minus the national titles, final fours, facilities, fan base that truly cares about basketball ... what else. They had the Fab Five but that was done illegally. Michigan was good in the 70s and late 80s.

3/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

(Edited by CriticalFanatic)

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3/22/07   |   CPops

How about another one... John Calipari from Memphis? 

3/22/07   |   fxdirect

My best bet on this, especially with regards to the Michigan thing, is that Tubby didn't want to jump from one frying pan into another.  And Michigan is the Kentucky of the Big Ten, even if they haven't been very good lately.  They still have that mystique about them from their past, and the fans/boosters/administration there is brutal.

 

I don't see them getting another SEC coach to jump over to Kentucky, and I doubt we will see Pitino come back...  and I am never right with guesses on replacements...

3/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

kantwistaye wrote:

If Crean is gettin "Incredible perks" due to being at a private school it makes you wonder what Coach K must be getting at Duke.

 

Kentucky is Kentucky, I'd probably listen and then politely decline, I wouldn't want to be on that short of a rope.  I'd rather go to UCLA which was really patient with Steve Lavin or UNC who wasn't patient but I think would be an easier sell to recruits than Kentuky would be.

K does have a lifetime contract. That's pretty solid. I doubt K has paid for anything in the last 5 years.

3/22/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Izzo has always said that Crean gets in his term "INCREDIBLE" perks as a result of Marquette being a private school. They can offer a few more extras without it being public knowledge.

However, Kentucky is Kentucky. I'd have a hard time not listening.

If Crean is gettin "Incredible perks" due to being at a private school it makes you wonder what Coach K must be getting at Duke.

 

Kentucky is Kentucky, I'd probably listen and then politely decline, I wouldn't want to be on that short of a rope.  I'd rather go to UCLA which was really patient with Steve Lavin or UNC who wasn't patient but I think would be an easier sell to recruits than Kentuky would be.

3/22/07   |   Scott   |   52631 respect

I'm glad that Tubby Smith is leaving Kentucky, even if it's to a job that isnt as "glamarous".  He's a great coach, classy guy and he brings credibility to a stumbling Minnesota program.  Kentucky's loss is the Big 10 and the Gophers gain. 

3/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

kantwistaye wrote:
I don't see Tom Crean leaving Marquette.  I believe hes the 4th highest paid coach in the nation, and its not like Marquette is a mid-major.  I have a hard time believing Billy Donavon would leave Florida right now for the constant pressure of Kentucky.  Chuck23 brought up Travis Ford from UMASS and I think he ultimately may end up with the job.

Izzo has always said that Crean gets in his term "INCREDIBLE" perks as a result of Marquette being a private school. They can offer a few more extras without it being public knowledge.

However, Kentucky is Kentucky. I'd have a hard time not listening.

3/22/07   |   IlliniBob72   |   83 respect

I read some speculation about Billy Donovan. Not sure if Kentucky would come up with more cash than Florida can ante up. Donovan is building a powerhouse at Florida (or has built). Not sure if Kentucky is all that much of a step up. And besides, after seeing the way Tubby was treated, why would he want to leave Gainesville, where I have to imagine he is a king. (Maybe someone can correct me if football is still king at Florida)

3/22/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

I don't see Tom Crean leaving Marquette.  I believe hes the 4th highest paid coach in the nation, and its not like Marquette is a mid-major.  I have a hard time believing Billy Donavon would leave Florida right now for the constant pressure of Kentucky.  Chuck23 brought up Travis Ford from UMASS and I think he ultimately may end up with the job.

3/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

CPops wrote:
Billy Gillespie from A&M in Kentucky's future?  UK's own "Unforgettable", John Pelphrey from S.Alabama?  Billy Donovan leave Florida for UK?  Pitino?  Gonna hear a lot of rumors for this job!! 

Good call on Gillispie, although he seems committee to his home state and current team.

I couldn't possibly imagine the Pitino going back again. Oh, the headlines. I don't know if Pelfrey is ready yet, but he'll probably get a job as a result of these dominos falling.

3/22/07   |   CPops

(Edited by CPops)

Billy Gillespie from A&M in Kentucky's future?  UK's own "Unforgettable", John Pelphrey from S.Alabama?  Billy Donovan leave Florida for UK?  Pitino?  Gonna hear a lot of rumors for this job!! 

3/22/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

I'm really stunned.  This is going to be a nice fit for Tubby though.  If he does at Minnesota what he's done the past few years at Kentucky he'll be worshipped.  Recruiting will be tough for Tubby, but he hasn't had a whole lot of talent at Kentucky.  Its going to be weird having the Gophers be relevant again.

3/22/07   |   Jengirrl   |   6930 respect

Just came across ESPN News as breaking news...I no longer care about my bracket( well, maybe not THAT crazy!!)

3/22/07   |   Ryan   |   153 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Since I come from the land of Izzo, I'll say he's among the classiest coaches in the business. Honest, and does it the right way. Agree with you, he'll get treated very well in Minnesota and retire their.

I hesitate to go here, but I think part of the reason Tubby Smith hasn't "recruited" as well lately is because he does it the right way ... and some of his closet competition (regionally) I suspect don't. But that's just my opinion.

Well, I've never been around Izzo, so I don't really know for sure.  Tubby's one of the best (and nicest), though.

 

Yeah, I suspect he's facing an uphill battle with recruiting.  I don't figure that will change, though.  He's a great guy who deserves better than he got in Kentucky.  Of course, when you take that job you kind of know what you're getting in to.

3/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Ryan wrote:

Wow.  That's nuts.  Tubby is the classiest coach I've ever been around.  I hope he's treated a little better in Minnesota than he was in Lexington.

Since I come from the land of Izzo, I'll say he's among the classiest coaches in the business. Honest, and does it the right way. Agree with you, he'll get treated very well in Minnesota and retire their.

I hesitate to go here, but I think part of the reason Tubby Smith hasn't "recruited" as well lately is because he does it the right way ... and some of his closet competition (regionally) I suspect don't. But that's just my opinion.

3/22/07   |   Jengirrl   |   6930 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Wow. Fans Pressure 2, Coaches 0.  Alford leaves for New Mexico. Tubby leaves for Minnesota.

Nearly (sorry) speechless for many reasons.

1) There's just a small, small part of me nervous because I know Kentucky booster would try just about anything to get Izzo.
2) Surprised (assuming Michigan was interested) Tubby would choose Minnesota.
3) Kentucky fans are just going to swallow up the next guy aren't they?

I think Tubby Smith is a great coach, but he's fallen behind a few rivals in recruiting. Is that because he can't recruit or is that because he's going about things the right way. I suspect the latter, so he's off to a land where he'll be given a red carpet welcoming.

Who will replace him? Izzo isn't going anywhere, but mini Izzo - Tom Crean would listen. That's my prediction. Cue the dominos!

What do you think?

Source: (WLKY - TV Louisville, KY)
Gophers hire Tubby Smith (Star Tribune)
The Tubby Smith Story (Sports Frog)

WHOO HOO!!!  Oh, I HOPE it's true--he'll own the campus,(if not the whole state of MN) when he wins here!!  This is like Lou Holtz coming up to coach the Gophers(although THAT didn't end so well!!)

3/22/07   |   Ryan   |   153 respect

Wow.  That's nuts.  Tubby is the classiest coach I've ever been around.  I hope he's treated a little better in Minnesota than he was in Lexington.

3/22/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4211 respect

Um... well this blows.  Two guaranteed wins are now going to fought for.  More props to the Gophers I guess.  I brought this up before, but didn't think it'd really happen.