Bo Ryan explains transfer restrictions on Jarod Uthoff
NCAABB, Jarod Uthoff

Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan attempts to explain why he's such an obnoxious jerk

4/19/12 in NCAABB   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

Feb. 28, 2012; Madison, WI, USA; Wisconsin Badgers head coach Bo Ryan directs his team as they play the Minnesota Gophers at the Kohl Center. Wisconsin defeated Minnesota 52-45. Mandatory Credit: Mary Langenfeld-US PRESSWIREIt's no secret that college athletes, especially football and basketball players, aren't exactly treated fairly all the time.

The latest example is Wisconsin basketball player Jarod Uthoff, who's attempting to transfer to another school.

Wisconsin coach Bo Ryan proceeded to put a few restrictions on Uthoff in terms of where he will be allowed to transfer to. And by a few, I mean a lot.

Ryan barred Uthoff from transferring anywhere in the Big Ten (understandable, since he doesn't want to lose him to an in-conference rival), Marquette (also understandable, since it's in the state of Wisconsin), Iowa State (huh?) and the entire ACC (kind of a head-scratcher there as well).

That's 25 teams total, including a lot of the more desirable basketball programs, as well as some places where Uthoff has old high school teammates and is familiar with some of the coaches.

Ryan went on ESPN's Mike and Mike show to attempt to justify the restrictions that he's putting on Uthoff. Quite frankly, he comes off sounding pretty stupid, and completely like an a-hole.

 

It might not be fair to put the blame solely on Ryan. The fact of the matter is that the system is broken. Coaches can (and often DO) leave teams and players in the middle of their contract, whenever a more appealing offer is presented to them.

Players, on the other hand, are the ones who the fans are coming to see, yet they'll get in trouble if they sell an autograph to pay for lunch. This, despite the fact that their performance on the court (or field) is the reason their coach and their school gets to rake in millions every year.

Uthoff is appealing the restrictions through the school, and hopefully he'll get the chance to transfer to a decent school and get on with his career. Either way, the system is clearly broken, and should be fixed to make it more fair to the student athletes.


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4/20/12   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
Players routinely leave after one semester and transfer to another school.  When was the last time you heard of a coach being in charge of one school the first semester and then being in charge of another school the second semester.

It is not a double standard.  Coaches are paid employees of a university.  Players are student athletes that have to abide by the rules of the university and the NCAA in order to go to school on a scholarship. A five-year old does have the same rights as an 18-year old.  Obviously, certain actions of a coach are under NCAA rules.  For example, Kelvin Sampson and Bruce Pearl are under show-cause penalties for a certain number of years.  It is up to the university to construct the contract of a coach, not the NCAA.

"It is not a double standard."

With that statement, you're confirmed that it's a complete waste of time to discuss this with you. No further comment is needed.

4/20/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

(Edited by Burrellfan1)

Players routinely leave after one semester and transfer to another school.  When was the last time you heard of a coach being in charge of one school the first semester and then being in charge of another school the second semester.

It is not a double standard.  Coaches are paid employees of a university.  Players are student athletes that have to abide by the rules of the university and the NCAA in order to go to school on a scholarship. A five-year old does have the same rights as an 18-year old.  Obviously, certain actions of a coach are under NCAA rules.  For example, Kelvin Sampson and Bruce Pearl are under show-cause penalties for a certain number of years.  It is up to the university to construct the contract of a coach, not the NCAA.

4/20/12   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
If you are old enough to go to war when you are eighteen, you are old enough to make an informed decision on where to go to college.  It is an important decision, and the student athletes should treat it as such.  They are signing their name on a piece of paper, it is their responsibility to know what the document says.  Just because they are athletes, they think someone will come to aid and help them if it  doesn't work out.

So... how come coach Ryan could pack up and leave for another school tomorrow if he felt like it, but players can't? Explain the double standard please.

4/20/12   |   kantwistaye   |   4201 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
If you are old enough to go to war when you are eighteen, you are old enough to make an informed decision on where to go to college.  It is an important decision, and the student athletes should treat it as such.  They are signing their name on a piece of paper, it is their responsibility to know what the document says.  Just because they are athletes, they think someone will come to aid and help them if it  doesn't work out.

By comparing this to war, you've already lost.

4/20/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

Pat wrote:
A student is still ALLOWED to transfer to another school. The financial aspect of it is an entirely separate issue.

The way your logic fails here is starting to make me think you ARE Bo Ryan. If that were the case, everything would actually make a lot of sense all of a sudden.

An athlete is allowed to transfer to any other school as well.  He may not be able to play a sport there right away, but he can transfer there.  Some sports don't even require the athlete sitting out a year.  

The person who made the original comment did not use the word "allowed."  He said students without an athletic scholarship can transfer with restrictions.  That statement is not true.  Most athletes are still getting a free ride when they go from school to school, a regular student is probably not getting a free ride.  Therefore, the regular student does have restrictions.

4/20/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
Also, blaming the athlete is ridiculous. He's 18 or 19. He's a kid. Kids rush decisions. He has the right to admit a mistake and move on.

If you are old enough to go to war when you are eighteen, you are old enough to make an informed decision on where to go to college.  It is an important decision, and the student athletes should treat it as such.  They are signing their name on a piece of paper, it is their responsibility to know what the document says.  Just because they are athletes, they think someone will come to aid and help them if it  doesn't work out.

4/20/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

beerstudk wrote:
I'm curious to hear what you consider to be "professional".... Bo Ryan wasn't attacked at all.  I think 99% of rational people would agree with that statement as well.  You make it sound like Coach Ryan was attacked and verbally assaulted as soon as he was handed the phone and didn't get a chance to make his case or tell his side of the story, which is totally and completely 100% false.  He spoke for at least 70% of the interview and he spent the majority of that time talking in circles, making stupid analogies and excuses and even instulted Greenie, which is the definition of unprofessional and petty, not to mention childish.

Question:  If Bo Ryan was so "in the right" by putting a ridiculous amount of restrictions on Uthoff, then why did they drop Iowa St and the entire ACC off their restricted list?

Answer:  Because the Administration saw that Ryan was actually acting like a child throwing a fit and were tired of the bad pub that he was generating for the school and the atheltic program.

Ryan left a coaching job in the middle of a contract to go to Wisconsin because is was a better situation for he and his family, why can't Uthoff do the same?  Wisconsin football benifited greatly from an ACC transfer by the name of Russel Wilson, a guy that made their football team a Championship contender, so why can Wisconsin benefit from a highly recurited transfer but the ACC can't?  After you unobjectively look at the entire situation, I have a hard time believing that ANYBODY would side with Bo Ryan on this issue because he is sooooo effing wrong how he handled this.

Russell Wilson and Jarrod Uthoff are two totally different situations.  Wilson already had his degree at NC State before transferring.  Uthoff was a freshman at Wisconsin who happened to be redshirting, so I doubt he is anywhere close to getting a degree.  Plus, Wilson was no longer wanted at NC State.  NC State was upset at Wilson for playing minor league baseball instead of being around for offseason workouts.  My understanding is that Ryan was totally surprised by Uthoff's decision to transfer.

I don't believe the administration said anything negative about Ryan during the appeal.  Actually, I believe anything said in that meeting was confidential, so I have no idea how you would know what the administration thought of Ryan's actions.

I have a hard understanding why anyone is siding against Ryan.  Uthoff made up a weak excuse for wanting to transfer.  He told Ryan about it when Ryan was on vacation.  Uthoff wouldn't even go on campus to turn in his letter asking for an appeal.  The whole situation smells funny, and Ryan did the only thing possible to try to get root of the issue.  Uthoff filed an appeal, it was heard, and now everyone can move on.

4/20/12   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
That is not true.  If you are just a student paying your way to school, you have to make sure your credits transfer to another school.  Plus, unless a regular student wants to go in debt big time, a student cannot transfer to a school that is too expensive.  A regular student may not be able to go out of state or to a private school because they are too expensive. I also believe you have to be accepted by the school you want to transfer to.  

A student is still ALLOWED to transfer to another school. The financial aspect of it is an entirely separate issue.

The way your logic fails here is starting to make me think you ARE Bo Ryan. If that were the case, everything would actually make a lot of sense all of a sudden.

4/20/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

(Edited by Burrellfan1)

That is not true.  If you are just a student paying your way to school, you have to make sure your credits transfer to another school.  Plus, unless a regular student wants to go in debt big time, a student cannot transfer to a school that is too expensive.  A regular student may not be able to go out of state or to a private school because they are too expensive. I also believe you have to be accepted by the school you want to transfer to.  

4/20/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

elevenbravo138again wrote:
Bash is too strong a statement, he simlpy said it's unwise to tie your franchises future to a somewhat unproven commodity.  I like Tannehill, but speaking of broken systems, it's a bit nutty for him to be considered a top 4-12 prospect.  He's very athletic, talented, smart and tough but like Sanchez, he's not quite ready to start day 1 and the 1st half of the draft is usually reserved for players who can contribute right away.

The only team in that range that would even be a possibility is the 'phins because of Mike Sherman, but remember that Mike Sherman was fired because (in some part) of Tannehill

4/20/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
Actually, Mike Greenberg started the interview off by saying that Ryan would have the opportunity to give his side of the story, and then he said "You heard what we had to say, the floor is yours."  Well, Ryan didn't hear what they said.  He said he was working out.  

Mike and Mike weren't very professional with Ryan Tannehill either.  The interview was cut really short, and he really didn't get much of a chance to say anything.  Tannehill could have at least be given a chance to respond to the comments made by Brian Billick since Billick bashed Tannehill on more than one occasion on Mike & Mike.

I'm curious to hear what you consider to be "professional".... Bo Ryan wasn't attacked at all.  I think 99% of rational people would agree with that statement as well.  You make it sound like Coach Ryan was attacked and verbally assaulted as soon as he was handed the phone and didn't get a chance to make his case or tell his side of the story, which is totally and completely 100% false.  He spoke for at least 70% of the interview and he spent the majority of that time talking in circles, making stupid analogies and excuses and even instulted Greenie, which is the definition of unprofessional and petty, not to mention childish.

Question:  If Bo Ryan was so "in the right" by putting a ridiculous amount of restrictions on Uthoff, then why did they drop Iowa St and the entire ACC off their restricted list?

Answer:  Because the Administration saw that Ryan was actually acting like a child throwing a fit and were tired of the bad pub that he was generating for the school and the atheltic program.

Ryan left a coaching job in the middle of a contract to go to Wisconsin because is was a better situation for he and his family, why can't Uthoff do the same?  Wisconsin football benifited greatly from an ACC transfer by the name of Russel Wilson, a guy that made their football team a Championship contender, so why can Wisconsin benefit from a highly recurited transfer but the ACC can't?  After you unobjectively look at the entire situation, I have a hard time believing that ANYBODY would side with Bo Ryan on this issue because he is sooooo effing wrong how he handled this.

4/20/12   |   elevenbravo138again   |   1155 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
Actually, Mike Greenberg started the interview off by saying that Ryan would have the opportunity to give his side of the story, and then he said "You heard what we had to say, the floor is yours."  Well, Ryan didn't hear what they said.  He said he was working out.  

Mike and Mike weren't very professional with Ryan Tannehill either.  The interview was cut really short, and he really didn't get much of a chance to say anything.  Tannehill could have at least be given a chance to respond to the comments made by Brian Billick since Billick bashed Tannehill on more than one occasion on Mike & Mike.

Bash is too strong a statement, he simlpy said it's unwise to tie your franchises future to a somewhat unproven commodity.  I like Tannehill, but speaking of broken systems, it's a bit nutty for him to be considered a top 4-12 prospect.  He's very athletic, talented, smart and tough but like Sanchez, he's not quite ready to start day 1 and the 1st half of the draft is usually reserved for players who can contribute right away.

4/20/12   |   WhoDat12   |   2252 respect

It's often said that athletes should be treated like any other student, but students who don't have athletic scholarships can transfer as much as they choose without any restrictions whatsoever. Coaches can just get up and leave and go to a job with more money (even if it is in the same conference) or go to the NBA whenever the mood hits them.  Simply stated the system sucks.

4/20/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

(Edited by Burrellfan1)

Why don't you realize that those restrictions in part protect the student themselves.  I was not a student athlete, but if I was, I certainly would not want to still be recruited while I am already at a school.  Plus, do you really want more corruption in college sports?  That is what you would get if the players had no restrictions.

Aren't the kids suppose to be going to college to get an education.  That concept is totally thrown out the window if you allow a player to play for eight different schools in four years.  The NCAA also does want college sports look like pro sports during free agency.

4/20/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

sfcbenny wrote:
What I am surprised by is the power and influence that ESPN really has now. W/O them, this is a non-story, but they took the whole thing and ran with it and Ryan had no choice but to back down after looking like a real jerk. I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad thing that a media outlet can have that much of a real effect.

I don't think Bo Ryan backed down at all.  It was Mike and Mike that looked like idiots during the interview.    Uthoff went through an appeal process that had nothing to do with Bo Ryan and the list of restricted schools was reduced.

4/20/12   |   sfcbenny   |   45 respect

What I am surprised by is the power and influence that ESPN really has now. W/O them, this is a non-story, but they took the whole thing and ran with it and Ryan had no choice but to back down after looking like a real jerk. I'm not sure whether this is a good or bad thing that a media outlet can have that much of a real effect.

4/19/12   |   Scott   |   49469 respect

kantwistaye wrote:
Also, blaming the athlete is ridiculous. He's 18 or 19. He's a kid. Kids rush decisions. He has the right to admit a mistake and move on.

Ultimately, that's the point that these college coaches and the NCAA don't seem to understand.  If it's ok for a head coach to break his contract with a school to "do what is right for himself and his family", then it should be ok for a 18-21 year old kid to do the same thing without all these restrictions.

4/19/12   |   kantwistaye   |   4201 respect

Also, blaming the athlete is ridiculous. He's 18 or 19. He's a kid. Kids rush decisions. He has the right to admit a mistake and move on.

4/19/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

beerstudk wrote:
I don't remember Mike and Mike saying anything leading up to the interview other than they had him on the line, if you listened to it this morning they actually skipped talking to Ryan Tannehill to speak with Coach Ryan, so they were literally in the middle of switching topics from Hossa possibly missing the rest of the playoffs to speaking to Tannehill.

And if Ryan probably (and by probably we both mean definately) knew what they wanted to speak with him about, why is it their fault that he was stupid enough to walk into an ambush?  Have you listened to the interview?  It was a bad look for Ryan regardless of how the Mikes' acted, which I again will say was totally professional and respectful, because he acted like a petty child that was "taking his ball and going home" because he was dissed by a cool kid.

Actually, Mike Greenberg started the interview off by saying that Ryan would have the opportunity to give his side of the story, and then he said "You heard what we had to say, the floor is yours."  Well, Ryan didn't hear what they said.  He said he was working out.  

Mike and Mike weren't very professional with Ryan Tannehill either.  The interview was cut really short, and he really didn't get much of a chance to say anything.  Tannehill could have at least be given a chance to respond to the comments made by Brian Billick since Billick bashed Tannehill on more than one occasion on Mike & Mike.

4/19/12   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Phil Martelli is not impressed.

4/19/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
Even if Ryan probably already knew what the topic would be when he went on the show, he still had no idea what Mike and Mike had already said about the topic.  Not everyone agrees with what Mike and Mike think.  The show still could have the decency to tell Ryan what was going on before he went on the show.    There was no need to ambush Ryan.  Were they afraid he wouldn't go on the show if they actually told him why they wanted him on the show?

I don't remember Mike and Mike saying anything leading up to the interview other than they had him on the line, if you listened to it this morning they actually skipped talking to Ryan Tannehill to speak with Coach Ryan, so they were literally in the middle of switching topics from Hossa possibly missing the rest of the playoffs to speaking to Tannehill.

And if Ryan probably (and by probably we both mean definately) knew what they wanted to speak with him about, why is it their fault that he was stupid enough to walk into an ambush?  Have you listened to the interview?  It was a bad look for Ryan regardless of how the Mikes' acted, which I again will say was totally professional and respectful, because he acted like a petty child that was "taking his ball and going home" because he was dissed by a cool kid.

4/19/12   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

Wow... someone is a HUGE Bo Ryan fan, apparently.

4/19/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

beerstudk wrote:
If Ryan thought that Mike and Mike wanted to talk to him about anything else than Utoff, he's retarded.  His season has been over for almost a month, he didn't win any awards, so the only thing anybody associated with the media would want to talk to him about was Utoff and he knew that.  So him feigning ignorance about the purpose of the call isn't fooling anybody.

Also, Ryan comes of petty with his reasoning during the interview.  You can totally tell that he's butt-hurt and petty about it when he tried to insult Mike Greenberg for not playing college sports and playing the "if you never played then you just won't understand" card.  The only one that acted 'Bush League" was Ryan, I listened to the interview live and thought that Mike and Mike were very polite and professional. 

Even if Ryan probably already knew what the topic would be when he went on the show, he still had no idea what Mike and Mike had already said about the topic.  Not everyone agrees with what Mike and Mike think.  The show still could have the decency to tell Ryan what was going on before he went on the show.    There was no need to ambush Ryan.  Were they afraid he wouldn't go on the show if they actually told him why they wanted him on the show?

4/19/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

Burrellfan1 wrote:
You are a douche for saying it was wrong for him to leave Wisconsin-Milwaukee for Wisconsin without restrictions.  He is a paid employee.  He certainly has the right to do what is best for him and his family.  The only restrictions he should have faced were what Wisconsin-Milwaukee put in his contract.  Coaches certainly shouldn't tie themselves into uprooting their families for one-year contracts nor should they have to sit out a year like the players.  Who is coaching the team while the hired coach is sitting out a year-the coach that got fired or an assistant they really no longer want on the staff?

If players didn't sit out a year, some of them would still be getting recruited throughout their four years of college at another institution.  Plus, having players transfer without penalty would only lead to more athletes getting illegal payments from coaches and boosters.

Uthoff really gave a lame excuse for wanting to transfer.  Coach Ryan has been at Wisconsin for a while now.  Uthoff should have known what kind of offense Ryan runs and that he wouldn't have been a good fit for it.  He should have done more homework before he selected a school to attend.

Ryan probably did put too many restrictions on Uthoff, but just because he wanted permission to talk to certain schools does not mean those schools want him or even have an available scholarship for him.  There are 345 schools in Division I. That means there are still lots of schools to choose from even when you subtract 26 schools from the list.

Mike and Mike were really bush league.  He wasn't even listening to the show.  Whomever talked to him just asked him if he wanted to talk to Mike and Mike.  He had no idea he was about to be ambushed.  I think it was Mike and Mike that ended up looking bad when the interview was over.

If Ryan thought that Mike and Mike wanted to talk to him about anything else than Utoff, he's retarded.  His season has been over for almost a month, he didn't win any awards, so the only thing anybody associated with the media would want to talk to him about was Utoff and he knew that.  So him feigning ignorance about the purpose of the call isn't fooling anybody.

Also, Ryan comes of petty with his reasoning during the interview.  You can totally tell that he's butt-hurt and petty about it when he tried to insult Mike Greenberg for not playing college sports and playing the "if you never played then you just won't understand" card.  The only one that acted 'Bush League" was Ryan, I listened to the interview live and thought that Mike and Mike were very polite and professional. 

4/19/12   |   beerstudk   |   1538 respect

While I don't in any way agree with how Ryan has handled this, he did say on the interview that Utoff has given no verbal reason or a possible destination to coach Ryan.  If the kid just told Ryan he wanted to transfer and then filed the paperwork without at the very least giving a super basic explanation as to why, which is apparantly the case, I can somewhat justify his over-reaction.

Fact of the matter is, Utoff will probably be able to go anywhere he wants outside of the BIG10 and Marquette.  He may have to sue the school to go to Iowa St, but I don't see how they can keep him out.

4/19/12   |   Burrellfan1   |   22709 respect

Scott wrote:
What makes Ryan come off like even more of a douche is that he is one of those coaches who left one job while under contract to go to another, without restrictions.

You are a douche for saying it was wrong for him to leave Wisconsin-Milwaukee for Wisconsin without restrictions.  He is a paid employee.  He certainly has the right to do what is best for him and his family.  The only restrictions he should have faced were what Wisconsin-Milwaukee put in his contract.  Coaches certainly shouldn't tie themselves into uprooting their families for one-year contracts nor should they have to sit out a year like the players.  Who is coaching the team while the hired coach is sitting out a year-the coach that got fired or an assistant they really no longer want on the staff?

If players didn't sit out a year, some of them would still be getting recruited throughout their four years of college at another institution.  Plus, having players transfer without penalty would only lead to more athletes getting illegal payments from coaches and boosters.

Uthoff really gave a lame excuse for wanting to transfer.  Coach Ryan has been at Wisconsin for a while now.  Uthoff should have known what kind of offense Ryan runs and that he wouldn't have been a good fit for it.  He should have done more homework before he selected a school to attend.

Ryan probably did put too many restrictions on Uthoff, but just because he wanted permission to talk to certain schools does not mean those schools want him or even have an available scholarship for him.  There are 345 schools in Division I. That means there are still lots of schools to choose from even when you subtract 26 schools from the list.

Mike and Mike were really bush league.  He wasn't even listening to the show.  Whomever talked to him just asked him if he wanted to talk to Mike and Mike.  He had no idea he was about to be ambushed.  I think it was Mike and Mike that ended up looking bad when the interview was over.

4/19/12   |   kantwistaye   |   4201 respect

The biggest problem is the system, but obviously other school's actions and wrongdoings are never a justification for your own. As for why Iowa State is blocked.. I do know Wisconsin and Iowa State are going after a pretty good recruit right now (Matt Thomas) so that could have something to do with it.

4/19/12   |   Scott   |   49469 respect

What makes Ryan come off like even more of a douche is that he is one of those coaches who left one job while under contract to go to another, without restrictions.