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2/16/09
Dale Earnhardt Jr. Caused A Crash During The Daytona 500
Fan Favorite (For No Apparent Reason) Dale Jr. Caused A Crash At The Daytona 500 With Some Dirty Racing


I'm not a huge NASCAR fan. In fact, I hate it. It's absolutely ridiculous that a human being would spend time out of their life watching grown men drive around in circles for hours. I'll never understand the appeal.

Except for one thing. I like the crashes. Those are exciting, and fun. And in some cases, they also provide us with a chance to bash drivers whose name is not Gordon, another hobby of mine.

Anyway, in this one, it looks like Dale Earnhardt, Jr. may have broken some rules in his attempt to pass Brian Vickers. In the process, he caused almost a dozen cars to end up spinning out in the infield, effectively eliminating several cars that were formerly in contention, because of his frustration at not being good enough to pass Vickers on the up-and-up.

Should Dale Jr. be punished by NASCAR for what appears to be a blatant illegal move (from what the announcers tell me)? Kyle Busch had some harsh words to say about Jr's debacle on the track. What's your take?
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2/16/09
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*pelts Pat with beer cans*

Welcome to the club of those who dared criticize Junior.

2/16/09
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I'm not sure it was illegal, just unfortunate. Maybe a borderline "Probably shouldn't have done it" kind of thing. But I don't think it was intentional, as some people *cough* Vickers *cough* would say.

2/16/09
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Dale Jr. meet Dale Berra.

2/16/09
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jr wanted that damn caution flag and the officials said the same thing! but apparently jr figured the only way to get that caution was to cause a caution and so by hitting vickers in the quartor panel it caused a load of problems because it took out more than jr wanted! i bet all of them drivers wants to kick his azz now, and i think thats funny. he needs to realize he'll never be his daddy

2/16/09
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oh i see what happened vickors started something he shouldnt have to jr.

2/16/09
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2/16/09
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What Junior did was just some bad driving by a driver who has "experience". Junior should have known better then to merge in like that. Bonehead move, and he should have known a lot better then that. 

2/16/09
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2/16/09
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One of the Busch boys calling someone dirty.  Ha.

Hi Pot, I'm Kettle.  You're black like me.

2/16/09
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After viewing the footage several times it is clear that Jr had the speed to pass Vickers.  Vickers tried to block him and at those speeds JR couldn't help what happened.  It's called racing, and at Daytona it's only a matter of time when "the big one" happens. I don't see any dirty driving here, just some hard racing!

2/16/09
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2/16/09
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(Edited by Scott)

I know there are some fans who would love nothing more then to see Junior drive like his daddy did but I'm not sure they had this in mind.  It's one thing to be bumping and banging on the last lap in an attempt to try and win the race and it's another to take out half the field when you are a lap down.  The problem I have with this is that the day before Nascar had an incident that wasnt as worse and set a precedent by parking a car for 5 laps for aggressive driving.  You wont be able to convince me that Junior wasnt aggressively trying to get back in line after being forced below the yellow line, even though Nascar has a rule in place that says you are suppose to blend back in should you be forced onto the apron.  I understand that he was fighting to be the first driver a lap down but how do you explain that to the Kyle Busch's, Jimmie Johnson's and Denny Hamlin's of the world that were minding there own business, running in the top ten only to be basically taken out for no apparent reason.  There are fans and drivers who already think that certain drivers get the benefit of the doubt too much and this is just going to fuel that fire.  You cant have a set of rules in place but only decide to enforce them on certain drivers.  Like Mike said, had this been anybody else or had Junior been the one in the top ten that was taken out, all hell woul've broken lose in Daytona yesterday.


2/16/09
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Both Vickers and Earnhardt Jr. were boneheads there, Junior for hooking the 83 and Vickers for blocking him and forcing him below the yellow line.

2/16/09
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jerrodmahaffey wrote:
jr wanted that damn caution flag and the officials said the same thing! but apparently jr figured the only way to get that caution was to cause a caution and so by hitting vickers in the quartor panel it caused a load of problems because it took out more than jr wanted! i bet all of them drivers wants to kick his azz now, and i think thats funny. he needs to realize he'll never be his daddy

"he needs to realize he'll never be his daddy"

People that use that comment to make their argument need to realize that he's NOT his daddy and doesn't want to be compared to his daddy for the rest of his life.


2/16/09
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kramer wrote:
Both Vickers and Earnhardt Jr. were boneheads there, Junior for hooking the 83 and Vickers for blocking him and forcing him below the yellow line.
I'm obviously not a huge NASCAR buff, but isn't it Vickers' JOB to block him? If Jr was trying to pass him on the left like that, then wouldn't it be the obvious move to cut him off like that? To me, that just makes sense. If Earnhardt can't get by, then he'll have to try something else.

And in response to malliecat, there are some people who would say that they ARE cutting him a LOT of slack, and that any other driver would have been penalized, had he done the same thing.

2/16/09
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Pat wrote:
I'm obviously not a huge NASCAR buff, but isn't it Vickers' JOB to block him? If Jr was trying to pass him on the left like that, then wouldn't it be the obvious move to cut him off like that? To me, that just makes sense. If Earnhardt can't get by, then he'll have to try something else.

And in response to malliecat, there are some people who would say that they ARE cutting him a LOT of slack, and that any other driver would have been penalized, had he done the same thing.

If you're going to talk about playing favorites, I can give you a whole list of drivers who wouldn't be penalized had they been in Jr.'s position.  As far as this incident goes, you're not supposed to force someone below the line.  Blocking is one thing, forcing them "out of bounds" is another.


2/16/09
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kramer wrote:

If you're going to talk about playing favorites, I can give you a whole list of drivers who wouldn't be penalized had they been in Jr.'s position.  As far as this incident goes, you're not supposed to force someone below the line.  Blocking is one thing, forcing them "out of bounds" is another.

Like I said... I'm not an expert, by any means. But the announcers seemed pretty clear about it. You're not allowed to advance your position below the yellow line, and if you find yourself in that position, then you're supposed to blend in.

Earnhardt didn't do that, plain and simple. There's really no way to debate it, he did NOT blend in.

I would also argue that Vickers didn't FORCE him anywhere. Junior was BEHIND him. He wasn't forced anywhere. It would have been easily avoided had Junior just slowed down a LITTLE bit.

I really don't care either way... these crazy rednecks are going to do whatever they do, and it doesn't matter how clean a race is, one of them is going to whine about it afterwards. So whatever. I just think that in this case, it's pretty obvious where the blame lies.

2/16/09
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I know how big of a Nascar fan you are so I'm going to assume you saw the Nationwide Race.  How is what Junior did different then what Jason Leffler did?  Both drivers had tremendous runs on the guy in front of them and both guys ended up hooking the guys that were running slower in front of them.  Why is it ok for Nascar to cut Junior some slack while Leffler gets a 5 lap penalty?  Leffler ended up wrecking one guy while Junior took out at least half of the top 10.  I dont think either wreck was intentional but if you are going to nail one guy for driving aggressive when he takes out one guy, why shouldnt the guy who took out half the top ten be punished the exact same way?


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2/16/09
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kramer wrote:

If you're going to talk about playing favorites, I can give you a whole list of drivers who wouldn't be penalized had they been in Jr.'s position.  As far as this incident goes, you're not supposed to force someone below the line.  Blocking is one thing, forcing them "out of bounds" is another.

But here's the thing... everyone knows you're allowed one "block".  If you block the first move and the guy behind still has momentum and makes a second move and you try to block that second move you're in the wrong.  Vickers never tried to block the second move (mostly because it never happened.)  When it comes to restrictor plate racing, Junior is as talented as any driver in the series.  There are plenty of guys who have been block and gone right back into line.  There's no reason why Junior, one of the best at this type of racing, couldn't have.  It was intentional on his part.  Obviously this isn't a typical Junior move, but he did it. 


2/16/09
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Concur. Its racing, Jr tried to pass Vickers said not on my watch. But to hear Jr explain it  (my interpretation)that on any given race day he'll move to let another pass if the speed is there. Just like ya daddy huh Juinor? Please.

2/16/09
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davieoirish1 wrote:
There was a race?? Like ok, who cares.  What a "sport" sitting on your ass and driving in a circle over and over again.  Haven't watched and never will. Those that do, -- get a life.
If you don't like it, just don't read the articles...simple enough concept, right?

2/16/09
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jerrodmahaffey wrote:
jr wanted that damn caution flag and the officials said the same thing! but apparently jr figured the only way to get that caution was to cause a caution and so by hitting vickers in the quartor panel it caused a load of problems because it took out more than jr wanted! i bet all of them drivers wants to kick his azz now, and i think thats funny. he needs to realize he'll never be his daddy
That's like one of the stupidest things I have ever read.....THE OFFICIALS SAID THAT JUNIOR WANTED THE YELLOW? You just automatically assume that the officials gave it to him too? Stop listening to what Vickers said....

2/16/09
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ApopCane wrote:
You'd never see his dad try something like that.
That's because he DID it....he didn't have to try.....

2/16/09
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Hey Pat, you wanna talk about dirty racing? Why don't you write up an article about how Vickers intentionally wrecked Johnson and Jr back in 06 at Talladega....

2/16/09
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ApopCane wrote:
You'd never see his dad try something like that.
actually his daddy would have knocked the 3 cars in front of him out of the way, but not into the wall, and we all would have said "holy crap" !

2/16/09
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Anthonyg7575 wrote:
Hey Pat, you wanna talk about dirty racing? Why don't you write up an article about how Vickers intentionally wrecked Johnson and Jr back in 06 at Talladega....
exactly....

2/16/09
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Anthonyg7575 wrote:
Hey Pat, you wanna talk about dirty racing? Why don't you write up an article about how Vickers intentionally wrecked Johnson and Jr back in 06 at Talladega....
1) He was attempting to push his teammate past Junior.

2) It was for the win.

Not even close to comparable situations.

2/16/09
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Scott wrote:

I know how big of a Nascar fan you are so I'm going to assume you saw the Nationwide Race.  How is what Junior did different then what Jason Leffler did?  Both drivers had tremendous runs on the guy in front of them and both guys ended up hooking the guys that were running slower in front of them.  Why is it ok for Nascar to cut Junior some slack while Leffler gets a 5 lap penalty?  Leffler ended up wrecking one guy while Junior took out at least half of the top 10.  I dont think either wreck was intentional but if you are going to nail one guy for driving aggressive when he takes out one guy, why shouldnt the guy who took out half the top ten be punished the exact same way?

The one difference with this is that:
1. Leffler took Wallace out right in the middle of the track, Leffler wasn't trying to regain control of his car.
which leads me into...
2. Earnhardt's car got pushed down below the yellow line and they were coming up on a turn. The banking on those turns are 32.5 degrees. If he were still below the yellow line when they came to the turn it wouldn't have been pretty. It was just over correction trying to get back on the track.

2/16/09
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(Edited by Anthonyg7575)
kantwistaye wrote:
1) He was attempting to push his teammate past Junior.

2) It was for the win.

Not even close to comparable situations.
Try telling that to Johnson and Jr.... Vickers was already on his way out at Hendrick, do you really think that he was trying to push Johnson to the front? Vickers has always been a prickface.

2/16/09
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Anthonyg7575 wrote:
Try telling that to Johnson and Jr.... Vickers was already on his way out at Hendrick, do you really think that he was trying to push Johnson to the front? Vickers has always been a prickface.
Right as Vickers was about to bump draft him, Johnson changed his line.  That's what caused the wreck.  Vickers has been the consumate professional his whole career, so I do think he had no problem drafting his teammate past Junior and then going for the win.  But quite frankly, his state of mind is irrelevent as the video makes it abundantly clear that Johnson's sudden movement triggered the wreck.

2/16/09
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2/16/09
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Honey, I would pay to see him punt Brian Vickers again.  Added bonus was collecting Kyle Busch in the process...that's two for the price of one nudge.  Only thing worth watching in the whole boring race!  Hats off to JR!

2/16/09
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Its Daytona people!!! Those wrecks happen almost every year at a superspeedway. When you put 43 cars on a track and have them drafting and going 185 mph things are gonna happen. Jr. simply tryed to get back on the track quickly and caught Vickers rear bumper. I would like to see some of you people try to race in the Cup and not make a "mistake" in your entire career, its impossible!!

2/16/09
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kramer wrote:

If you're going to talk about playing favorites, I can give you a whole list of drivers who wouldn't be penalized had they been in Jr.'s position.  As far as this incident goes, you're not supposed to force someone below the line.  Blocking is one thing, forcing them "out of bounds" is another.

i agree with kramer. If anyone should be penalized it should have been Vickers. He through the gauntlet down when he forced Jr. down below the yellow line. All the drivers know it's a penalty to drive down there to gain a spot in the race. When this happened, Vickers should have let off and let Jr. by, or have been flag by NASCAR for the line rule.

2/16/09
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Um, Kyle Busch was faster than any car out there, otherwise how do you lead 88 of 120 laps in a restrictor plate race. I've always liked Jr's laid back style, but yesterday he took out his frustrations on the whole field. It happens. Everyone has a bad day, Jr had probably his worst since he's been in full time Cup series. But to sit there and defend him like he was 100% in the right just makes you look like a blind homer. He hooked Vickers and should have admitted it. It would have preserved the image most of us have of him: honest, and likable. Sad that it didn't happen that way.

2/16/09
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(Edited by njstixx)
I guess I already went throught this on another thread....Dale's just not that good....the wreck was out of frustration period...he BLEW two pits stops...(and another couple over the weekend)...I would think it;s a team problem but Jimmie and Jeff don't seem to have the same issues....Junior's interview stated that all the Pit signs we PINK!...Come on!! You're supposed to be an A driver? Communication might be a problem with his team, but gimme a break...even the rookies didn't mess up their pits like that...Junior was frustrated! Vickers was racing...if it was all about blocking than Kyle Bush would be the pin-up boy!  You people never quit defending this guy...."my tire was barely touching the line"...that's like one foot in bounds in the NFL...and we're supposed to be empethetic? You're a professional....you know the rules....any body notice how Edwards came into the pits? setting up on an angle condusive to getting out the best way possible? I appreciate that...yet Jr...can't even get in...and when he does he screws it up and then has the nerve to complain that Vikers was doing his job...As a matter of fact I'm pretty sure Jr. didn't evn know he was racing Vickers for the free pass based on the interview during the rain delay...Dale's a talented driver, but I don't believe he'll ever win a championship...too many smarter guys with comparative skills....I like him, but geeze, that was a pretty bad day...

2/16/09
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Misspoe93 wrote:
Honey, I would pay to see him punt Brian Vickers again.  Added bonus was collecting Kyle Busch in the process...that's two for the price of one nudge.  Only thing worth watching in the whole boring race!  Hats off to JR!
Hats off to JR.......for finishing 27th?...I would assume that Dale Jr would have liked to win the race not play into the marketing strategies of NASCAR fans who watch it for it's wrestling like soap operas. True racing fans respect the cars who were put together to run the fastest that day and the drivers that are willing to stick his neck out a little. Kyle Busch is one of the few drivers that hasn't let all that corporate money affect his guts and desire to win. WIN. Not just collect a check.

2/16/09
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(Edited by rua4102)
i disagree............i also was at the race in a SUITE...........and drank free beer and ate free weiners......and guess you were in an spelling bee suite or a nascar professionalist suite..........i believe in calling a spade a spade. and after watching the replay over and over........my conclusion is dale jr. was frustrated with his 2 previous mistakes during the day and let the frustration overtake him... and it is what it is.......dale jr. is a great guy .. a great driver . ect. and a great driver knows exactly where their car is and they have to for their safety and also it is their responsibility with all the millions the great drivers are getting paid... so dale jr. being a professional and the most popular driver out there and making millions cannot let frustration get the best of him... and those of you who said dale jr. did not intentionally do this are actually saying jr is not a great drive ..........i disagree ....//////////// i say....dale jr is a GREAT driver and let frustration get the best of him and did this intentionally... a spade is a spade.........peace...

2/16/09
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2/16/09
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rua4102 wrote:
also.. mooser58 ... maybe you had your 58 mooser on backwords ..........what the hell does being in a suite have to do with anything and a bunch of guys opionions in the suite drinking beer..or wine or scotch or tolet water............why didnt you rocket scientists just lauch a rocket while you were at it..?.........................if you read my statement above to you as well...............i was in a suite...#401 on the back stretch.............i sat in the suite #401 all week......starting with the bud shootout...............does being in a suite make you smarter..? if so then i guess i am a brain surgeon.......let me  miss spell a few words for ya while i am working on your ..........brain................in a neutral suite.........
what's the deal with you guys getting on Mooser, he left his opinion just like everyone else.  No need for your comments about him - he has contributed to the site much more then you I'm sure

2/16/09
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2/16/09
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rua4102 wrote:
so just by your words you just bunch jumped down my throat so i guess you are dumb and dumber........sorry i was using the other half of my brain thinkin about some guy getttin smarter while he was serving the beer to richard childress racing and nascar guys .. and rua4102 is ...............r = are............u = you.........a = a............410 is  fortin ( my last name ) and last but not least 2 = too.....................so ........are you a fortin too ?  guess not beer server...........did ya make good tips ?
Whoa!?, Steeler brethren...can't we all get along and agree that Ben Roethlisberger is the best motorcyclist ever?

2/16/09
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MarkTheShark wrote:
Whoa!?, Steeler brethren...can't we all get along and agree that Ben Roethlisberger is the best motorcyclist ever?
no problem mon........just the braggin thing on the suite.............got me fired up..................i just took a cold shower..........all cooled off now...................howa bout them steelers !!!!

2/16/09
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got you goin mr g man as well..................all is good.....................just a little fun to get the blood pumping ........just checkin if all is alive and well........

2/16/09
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mark the shark.................all is good..............will except your friend invite...........sorry for carryin it over the top a bit................i like to push things a bit.............but sometimes i dont know when to quit.................peace..... to you and yours..................

2/17/09
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all good...........understand all........i did set in the coke suite all week, bought ticket from a scalper out front...........spelling is not m y thing..........that is what spell check is i believe.....i am a die hard steeler fan........back to the steel curtain days....i usually set in the stands in al the action......sometime i want to set in the infield................this is my second daytona 500............i live in wyoming.....so i go to vegas and phoenix races every year..........been to louden..........and texas tracks as well..............peace.............y

2/17/09
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To Quote Jr in post race interview:

"Yeah, it was accidental, I don't want to wreck the field. The rain was coming, it was time to try to win the race and I was trying to get back on the lead lap. So I had to run hard. If Vickers could have just held his ground, I had a good run -- I was a lapped car anyway and wasn't battling for the lead. But he drove me down into the grass almost and I didn't have much control of my car after that."

DW said it best. {paraphrase} If Jr got into Vickers on purpose he would have said so - that was purely him trying to get straightened out, AND he obviously did NOT have any clue, even then, that Vickers was also a lap down car.

nuff said.


2/17/09
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rua4102 wrote:
i disagree............i also was at the race in a SUITE...........and drank free beer and ate free weiners......and guess you were in an spelling bee suite or a nascar professionalist suite..........i believe in calling a spade a spade. and after watching the replay over and over........my conclusion is dale jr. was frustrated with his 2 previous mistakes during the day and let the frustration overtake him... and it is what it is.......dale jr. is a great guy .. a great driver . ect. and a great driver knows exactly where their car is and they have to for their safety and also it is their responsibility with all the millions the great drivers are getting paid... so dale jr. being a professional and the most popular driver out there and making millions cannot let frustration get the best of him... and those of you who said dale jr. did not intentionally do this are actually saying jr is not a great drive ..........i disagree ....//////////// i say....dale jr is a GREAT driver and let frustration get the best of him and did this intentionally... a spade is a spade.........peace...
Got news for ya, I've been in that suite (and the food is not that good, free drinks is always a plus though...), but my point here is, if you are in that suite, you wouldn't have seen the wreck unless you were watching one of the tv screens. The wreck was on the backstretch, and from that suite, you can only see the turn coming into the tri-oval past the finish line, and going into turn 1. So what you saw in the suite, was what we saw on out tv sets.....

2/17/09
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Scott wrote:

I know there are some fans who would love nothing more then to see Junior drive like his daddy did but I'm not sure they had this in mind.  It's one thing to be bumping and banging on the last lap in an attempt to try and win the race and it's another to take out half the field when you are a lap down.  The problem I have with this is that the day before Nascar had an incident that wasnt as worse and set a precedent by parking a car for 5 laps for aggressive driving.  You wont be able to convince me that Junior wasnt aggressively trying to get back in line after being forced below the yellow line, even though Nascar has a rule in place that says you are suppose to blend back in should you be forced onto the apron.  I understand that he was fighting to be the first driver a lap down but how do you explain that to the Kyle Busch's, Jimmie Johnson's and Denny Hamlin's of the world that were minding there own business, running in the top ten only to be basically taken out for no apparent reason.  There are fans and drivers who already think that certain drivers get the benefit of the doubt too much and this is just going to fuel that fire.  You cant have a set of rules in place but only decide to enforce them on certain drivers.  Like Mike said, had this been anybody else or had Junior been the one in the top ten that was taken out, all hell woul've broken lose in Daytona yesterday.

Not to mention fans of relative nobodies like myself, a Jamie McMurray fan. I thought that finally this might be the year we get a good start, but no Jr. screws me, and McMurray, over.See it wouldn't be as bad as if he were penalized. Anybody else would have. I am an advocate of enforcing the rules, no matter who committed the wrongdoing. Did anybody else hear one of the announcers claim that it was 100% Vickers' fault? Just goes to show that everyone is doing anything they can to scrape up money in these hard times. Although some are shoveling wheelbarrows of cash instead and still whining for more. After all private jets are expensive to fuel!

2/17/09
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MarkTheShark wrote:
Um, Kyle Busch was faster than any car out there, otherwise how do you lead 88 of 120 laps in a restrictor plate race. I've always liked Jr's laid back style, but yesterday he took out his frustrations on the whole field. It happens. Everyone has a bad day, Jr had probably his worst since he's been in full time Cup series. But to sit there and defend him like he was 100% in the right just makes you look like a blind homer. He hooked Vickers and should have admitted it. It would have preserved the image most of us have of him: honest, and likable. Sad that it didn't happen that way.
There is some merit to what you say about frustration on Dale Earnhardt Jr's part--between two mistakes on pit road and impending rain, he was moving right along a breakneck speed.  However, I can't agree on the Kyle Busch part for one reason:  These stupid crap, I mean CAR, of tomorrow running around out there today contraptions. Between restrictor plates, and these gems, whoever is up front can usually stay there.  Busch's car I think had the best handling of any of them--and possibly because he's just a good driver.  I don't like the guy, but he CAN drive. 

2/17/09
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MarkTheShark wrote:
Hats off to JR.......for finishing 27th?...I would assume that Dale Jr would have liked to win the race not play into the marketing strategies of NASCAR fans who watch it for it's wrestling like soap operas. True racing fans respect the cars who were put together to run the fastest that day and the drivers that are willing to stick his neck out a little. Kyle Busch is one of the few drivers that hasn't let all that corporate money affect his guts and desire to win. WIN. Not just collect a check.
Are you saying I'm not a "true fan"?  That's rich, considering you have never spoken to me before in your life.  I rendered an opinion, you rendered yours.  A little respect, eh?

2/17/09
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JrCanuckFan wrote:

 

To Quote Jr in post race interview:

"Yeah, it was accidental, I don't want to wreck the field. The rain was coming, it was time to try to win the race and I was trying to get back on the lead lap. So I had to run hard. If Vickers could have just held his ground, I had a good run -- I was a lapped car anyway and wasn't battling for the lead. But he drove me down into the grass almost and I didn't have much control of my car after that."

DW said it best. {paraphrase} If Jr got into Vickers on purpose he would have said so - that was purely him trying to get straightened out, AND he obviously did NOT have any clue, even then, that Vickers was also a lap down car.

nuff said.

bravo!

2/17/09
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I was there...I saw it.  Jr was in fact also racing my driver for the lucky dog position and he was sent spinning through the infield as a part of it.  He was still regaining control when he came on the radio and said it had been done purposely.  He was just a tiny bit upset.   That's what I heard...I wasn't in the middle of the pack.  But honestly the race went to hell in a handbasket after that because a lot of top cars went on the rollback.

Maybe he didn't wreck him with pre-meditation, but I do think he was frustrated at not being able to get past him and get in front of the #7, and frustrated at himself for idiot errors in the pits.  I don't think he expected his actions to result in such a collossal mess- I think he may have expected to just get  Vickers loose, drive him up the track and pass below him. But I think the frustration and furious racing got the better of him. Because he was 'involved' (as was the #7), Nascar reviewed it and declined to give out a lucky dog at all.

I think what bothered me the most was the duration of the incident...and the inconsistancy between what happened there and what they did to Leffler in the Nationwide race the day before.  Unless there was radio chatter that Nascar didn't like then I don't see how that garnered a five lap penalty.

Having said that...the lack of testing provided some of the tightest, most frenzied racing I've ever seen.  I would have sat in the rain to have those last 48 laps. 

2/17/09
3
In the N'wide race, they commented that there was previous "issues" between the 66 and the 38 earlier in the race - Steven passed Leffler earlier and did it in a nananana booo boo way - it's beenn TALKED about, but I haven't seen it.  I realise Jr was frustrated, but I truly believe he DID NOT KNOW Vickers was a lap down with him and was just going for the front.  He has always said when he has done something on purpose - who can forget the spin to bring out the caution which changed the lucky dog rule ;)

2/18/09
4
1. 5 simple rules.
A.either move or be moved.
B.lead or get out of the way.
C.block and hold position at any cost when necessary.
D.there is no such thing as friends between 1st green and checkered flag.
E.the distance to the finish line is proportional to the distance between the
gas pedal to the floor board.
2. Blocking
Blocking had been a tool used by many drivers sense racing started. It can be useful and effective as it can be destructive

I watched many different angles of “THE WRECK” NO ONE IS TO BLAME JUST HARD RACIN !!!! BUT IF you need to BLAME, BLAME BRIAN VICKERS …..
3. Dale JR Got a run and was closing the gap and there was plenty room for the pass. OK
4. Brian Vickers sees or gets word JR is coming around he either does it himself or from info from spotter. OK
5. JR DID NOT INTENTIONALLY HIT VICKERS …….
6. VICKERS DID NOT INTENTIONALLY CAUSE “THE WRECK” just hard “RACIN”
7. I tip my hat to Vickers for a gutsy move.
8. “THE BLOCK” JR had the run and spot when Vickers made move to
BLOCK. The block would have been successful had Vickers went .5-1 sec. earlier. Brilliant Move!!!
WHO was at fault well YOU could say Vickers. I SAY “NO ONE” BUT GO review THE FILM.
YOU CAN see VICKERS car Make HARD LEFT TURN to MAKE THE BLOCK as he was in the turn and trying to straighten car after forcing JR BELOW LINE VICKERS had LOST car and in PROCESS got a LOVE TAP from JR.. END of STORY.. “JUST HARD RACIN”
My view is if you are going to be MAN enough to throw a gutsy Block like that BE MAN enough to MAN up and LIVE with the RESULTS.
What’s your take on “THE BLOCK or BLOCKING

2/18/09
2
key word from aunty up there "Love Tap"!!! True Jr. did spin out Vickers but at those speeds it really doesnt take a whole lot.

2/18/09
0
jerrodmahaffey wrote:
jr wanted that damn caution flag and the officials said the same thing! but apparently jr figured the only way to get that caution was to cause a caution and so by hitting vickers in the quartor panel it caused a load of problems because it took out more than jr wanted! i bet all of them drivers wants to kick his azz now, and i think thats funny. he needs to realize he'll never be his daddy
jerod I totally agree with you. Jr wanted that caution because he thought he was going to be the next one to get his lap back. I'm a Hendrick's fan and Jr, even he though drive's for them now he still gets away with stuff because his last name is Earnhardt. He should be penalized for the crash because he was responsible for it.

2/18/09
0
Anthonyg7575 wrote:
Got news for ya, I've been in that suite (and the food is not that good, free drinks is always a plus though...), but my point here is, if you are in that suite, you wouldn't have seen the wreck unless you were watching one of the tv screens. The wreck was on the backstretch, and from that suite, you can only see the turn coming into the tri-oval past the finish line, and going into turn 1. So what you saw in the suite, was what we saw on out tv sets.....
actually the food kinda sucked... beer tasted awsome when free.............this suite is on the back stretch... but say the crash on tv monitor........

2/18/09
2
jerrodmahaffey wrote:
jr wanted that damn caution flag and the officials said the same thing! but apparently jr figured the only way to get that caution was to cause a caution and so by hitting vickers in the quartor panel it caused a load of problems because it took out more than jr wanted! i bet all of them drivers wants to kick his azz now, and i think thats funny. he needs to realize he'll never be his daddy
I'm sure Jr did want the caution flag but after he got passed vickers. Again im pretty sure he was frustrated after he made the bonehead pitstop so he was driving more aggressively. But everyone knows that if your involved in the caution you do not get the free pass even if you are the 1st one in line for it.  So thats why I believe he didn't purposely wreck him.  And as for the comment about not being his daddy. If you have ever paid attention to Dale Sr. when he was driving and now Dale Jr. there driving styles are completely opposite. Jr could have went to RCR and drove the #3 but he said that was his dad's number and not his.

2/18/09
3
ALL the drivers know they will not benefit from causing a caution to come out.  Didn't I say that in my previous post?  The REASON they don't benefit is because of Jr.  He spinned to bring out a caution and told Tony Jr that he did.  NASCAR changed the rule the following week. DUH!

2/18/09
1
I DO NOT BELIEVE THAT JR. CAUSED THAT WRECK. HE WAS TRYING TO PASS VICKERS AND VICKERS BLOCKED JR SO JR WENT BACK BEHIND HIM AND THATS WHEN ALL HELL BROKE LOOSE AND NASCAR DID NOT PENILIZE JR FOR THAT SO IT WAS NOT HIS FAULT........ I WATCHED IT

2/19/09
1
If you listened to the interview with Jr. He said he had no clue Vickers was a lap down to. Vickers caused the whole thing. There was no reason for him to push Jr below the yellow line. Jr had the speed to pass Vickers he acted like the dummy he is. He pulled the same crap in 07 and caused Jimmy and Jr to crash he went on to win the race.  You tell me who the dirty driver is cuz it sure isnt Jr. As far as him needing a caution he was already in position to get it if the caution came out. So all you people who say anything different are full of crap. Pay attention folks Vickers caused the crash and got what he deserved. Stop crying about Jr and get with the program

2/19/09
1
Ok , let back off Jr.  Ive watched the accident over alot, Really think Vicker is the one at fault.  I honestly i couldnt see where Jr. did anything wrong.  GOOOOO JRRRRRR, hope this is your season

2/21/09
1
Just posting a quick update to this story:

Earnhardt said he called Vickers early this week to make sure there were no hard feelings.

“He said it was intentional on the television and I wanted to make sure he knew it wasn’t intentional, that I didn’t have a problem with him and that I wouldn’t wreck him intentionally,” Earnhardt said. “Just trying to clear that up with him. Me and Vickers have actually been friends for quite a while.”

From Yahoo Sports Friday



2/23/09
5
dalejrnumber38 wrote:
If you listened to the interview with Jr. He said he had no clue Vickers was a lap down to. Vickers caused the whole thing. There was no reason for him to push Jr below the yellow line. Jr had the speed to pass Vickers he acted like the dummy he is. He pulled the same crap in 07 and caused Jimmy and Jr to crash he went on to win the race.  You tell me who the dirty driver is cuz it sure isnt Jr. As far as him needing a caution he was already in position to get it if the caution came out. So all you people who say anything different are full of crap. Pay attention folks Vickers caused the crash and got what he deserved. Stop crying about Jr and get with the program
People like you are hilarious. NASCAR is lucky to have fans like you. Yesterday, Dale Jr said it was his fault. Vickers blocked...and? that's his freaking job and everyone out there knows EVERYONE blocks when rain is 15 minutes away. Jr didn't even know that he and Vickers were battling for the lucky dog, VICKERS DID! Duh....Jr needs to get rid of that entire crew he has. They are hangers on and idiots. If he had a professional crew, he would be winning championships with his ability. The interview Dale had with DW yesterday was what I LIKE about Jr., ... Not a fake bone in his body. I always wish Jr success, but he needs to jettison that joke of a crew and ask Hendrick to build him a new crew with a crew chief that only cares about getting on the same page with him and kicking his butt when he needs it.

3/1/09
2
I'm real tired of this mindless "he was pushed below the yellow line" bull****. Earlier on in the race there were 2 occasions where the cameras focused on someone being pushed below the yellow line and the commentators said "if you are pushed below the yellow line you have to slow down and wait for an oppurtunity to get back on the track." I hate holier than thou Junior fans!

4/12/09
0
stupid april fool. i hate dat sucka

 
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