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Did Tim Donaghy Fix Game 3 of the Suns-Spurs Series?

7/22/07 in NBA   |   CriticalFanatic   |   respect



Suns fans didn't need a reason to feel even more screwed by the 2007 NBA Playoffs. Now it appears that have an even better reason than the ejections of Boris Diaw and Amare Stoudemire. (thanks Jon for the video)

Bill Simmons is all over the issue in his latest column, one of his better pieces of the year. You'll recall Simmons' comments a couple days after the debacle that was Game 3 of the Suns-Spurs series:
"Congratulations to Greg Willard, Tim Donaghy and Eddie F. Rush for giving us the most atrociously officiated game of the playoffs so far: Game 3 of the Suns-Spurs series. Bennett Salvatore, Tom Washington and Violet Palmer must have been outraged that they weren't involved in this mess. Good golly. Most of the calls favored the Spurs, but I don't even think the refs were biased -- they were so incompetent that there was no rhyme or reason to anything that was happening. Other than the latest call in NBA history (a shooting foul for Manu Ginobili whistled three seconds after the play, when everyone was already running in the other direction), my favorite moment happened near the end, when the game was already over and they called a cheap bump on Bruce Bowen against Nash, so the cameras caught Mike D'Antoni (the most entertaining coach in the league if he's not getting calls) screaming sarcastically, "Why start now? Why bother?" What a travesty. Not since the cocaine era from 1978-1986 has the league faced a bigger ongoing issue than crappy officiating."
There's every reason to believe this game's outcome was effected by Donaghy and his cohorts. Simmons provides a few other details of the playoff games officiated by the crooked ref, but none appear worse than Game 3 of the NBA Finals Suns-Spurs. Before it was just a joke that there was something behind the refs incompetence, now the NBA is a joke.

The game wasn't as important, but the worst example of Tim Donaghy's effect was a Knicks-Heat game in February. The Knicks shot 39 free throws to the Heat's 8, and covered a 4.5 spread.

Good luck, Mr. Stern. Suns fans, keep your head up -- karma will find it's way back to you and maybe in the form of a Big Ticket.
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7/30/07   |   Big_Country78   |   38 respect

just trying to get tot he page with the comments on it as the links are all screwed up

7/30/07   |   dagreatjerbear

Nate wrote:
Great, as if the steroid witch hunt wasn't exciting enough, now we get the corrupt official witch hunt.  Damn, and I am all out of popcorn.

exactly

7/30/07   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

J-Mack wrote:
one official my A@#

What do you mean? Unless you have inside information then only one cheating official has been brought to light.

7/27/07   |   Nate   |   128 respect

Great, as if the steroid witch hunt wasn't exciting enough, now we get the corrupt official witch hunt.  Damn, and I am all out of popcorn.

7/27/07   |   J-Mack

Jubanator14 wrote:
The NBA did not have the games set up for years. The proof is that one official did things to help the over/under in the game.  They have never said Donaghy bet on games straight up, he always bet over/under is what reports have said. As a life long NBA fan it really saddens me to see what has come to light and what will come to light as a result of all of this.

one official my A@#

7/27/07   |   dagreatjerbear

Big_Country78 wrote:

dont forget they won that one year beacuae of the shortened season!

 

LMAO

exacttly always tainted!

7/27/07   |   Big_Country78   |   38 respect

Chris wrote:
the NBA is beyond corrupt now. And i hate it and fan-bashers because it comes at a time my team reaches the pinnacle of all teams. I wish the Spurs went on a massive Title run years ago, so you people wouldn't start with the tainted, cheating bologna!

dont forget they won that one year beacuae of the shortened season!

 

LMAO

7/27/07   |   dagreatjerbear

Chris wrote:
the NBA is beyond corrupt now. And i hate it and fan-bashers because it comes at a time my team reaches the pinnacle of all teams. I wish the Spurs went on a massive Title run years ago, so you people wouldn't start with the tainted, cheating bologna!

the spurs did not cheat but it is tainted!

7/26/07   |   Alex

Wow, this really made me think.

7/24/07   |   wachson   |   7 respect

why not?

7/24/07   |   mell_1289

Pat wrote:
Says the guy who called Grant Hill a fag for signing with the Suns.

I honestly don't care whose feelings are hurt, and you know this. It just seemed like her comment was in the same vein as a lot of the comments I've seen recently from certain Spurs fans, and I merely pointed that out.

Instead of apologies, it would be cool if people could be a little more gracious in victory, and not say things like "I'm actually surprised Suns fans are being mature about this". Context or not, that's a low blow.

Like I said...I have always had a great deal of respect for the Spurs and their fans...until this year.

Take that however you want.

It's obviously only a low blow to you. I didn't mean to piss anyone off. My comment was harmless and I just don't get why you are being so defensive about it.

 

My feelings aren't hurt and I wasn't trying to be a sore winner (if there is such a thing). Like I explained, I think if I was in the Suns fans position, I would be letting off a little steam on this thread and none of them did. That is why I said what I did and that is ALL I mean with my comment.

 

I hope Suns fans didn't take my comment the wrong way (or take it personally). I'm not the type of person to take cheap shots at other fans. So, although I don't feel like I owe anyone an apology for my comments, I will apologize if I offended or pissed anyone off.

7/24/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

I'm sorry about the bad things that i have done this year, and i definately did not want to taint my image on everyone on here, especially you Pat and Jason and Ty, because you guys are the pinnacle on here... so i apologize deeply for anything i have said out of anger... i am known for talking out of my ass rather than my brain sometimes... so i apologize... if i can delete my corruption and replace my image with something better, i hope i can do so for the sake of friendship.

7/24/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

Pat wrote:
Says the guy who called Grant Hill a fag for signing with the Suns.

I honestly don't care whose feelings are hurt, and you know this. It just seemed like her comment was in the same vein as a lot of the comments I've seen recently from certain Spurs fans, and I merely pointed that out.

Instead of apologies, it would be cool if people could be a little more gracious in victory, and not say things like "I'm actually surprised Suns fans are being mature about this". Context or not, that's a low blow.

Like I said...I have always had a great deal of respect for the Spurs and their fans...until this year.

Take that however you want.

well i apologize for any wrongs i have done to you Pat, or any bad things i have said out of anger. Please at least accept that for my pride...

 

 

7/24/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

Chris wrote:

Dude.... Pat.... come on.... your not even a Suns fan and your defending them like they are your child... its ok man, don't sweat it. calm down, if something sounded wrong, it is a boo-boo, just accept her apology... don't be cold and take swings at me or anyone... come on Pat...

Says the guy who called Grant Hill a fag for signing with the Suns.

I honestly don't care whose feelings are hurt, and you know this. It just seemed like her comment was in the same vein as a lot of the comments I've seen recently from certain Spurs fans, and I merely pointed that out.

Instead of apologies, it would be cool if people could be a little more gracious in victory, and not say things like "I'm actually surprised Suns fans are being mature about this". Context or not, that's a low blow.

Like I said...I have always had a great deal of respect for the Spurs and their fans...until this year.

Take that however you want.

7/24/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

desertrat wrote:
We all thought that last year too, and the Lakers had em in the hole 3-1. Refs made sure it wouldn't be close by eliminating their shot at winning their first game at home. If you don't think that matters, then explain how the Cavs made it to the finals instead of Detroit.

no kidding... i thought Detroit had them on lock-down... and i thought the Suns were finished when LA went up 3-1...

7/24/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

Pat wrote:
Your original quote: "I'm actually surprised that Suns fans are being mature about this."

You're surprised, huh? Like Suns fans couldn't possibly be mature normally...I'm sure they'll all thank you for the "props".

Normally, I wouldn't say anything. I've never had a problem with Spurs fans until this year. But this year has really changed my perception of the team and the fans a little bit.

Dude.... Pat.... come on.... your not even a Suns fan and your defending them like they are your child... its ok man, don't sweat it. calm down, if something sounded wrong, it is a boo-boo, just accept her apology... don't be cold and take swings at me or anyone... come on Pat...

7/24/07   |   desertrat   |   5497 respect

Boomdogg wrote:

everybody knew dat da lakers didn't have a chance no way dawg

We all thought that last year too, and the Lakers had em in the hole 3-1. Refs made sure it wouldn't be close by eliminating their shot at winning their first game at home. If you don't think that matters, then explain how the Cavs made it to the finals instead of Detroit.

7/24/07   |   Boomdogg

everybody knew dat da lakers didn't have a chance no way dawg

7/24/07   |   Boomdogg

Hell yeah he mess up steve nash championship i knew somethin was in dat game i knew dat fo sho man dat some real bullsh#t they need to throw him under the bus fo real i lot five bills on dat series

7/24/07   |   mell_1289

Pat wrote:
Your original quote: "I'm actually surprised that Suns fans are being mature about this."

You're surprised, huh? Like Suns fans couldn't possibly be mature normally...I'm sure they'll all thank you for the "props".

Normally, I wouldn't say anything. I've never had a problem with Spurs fans until this year. But this year has really changed my perception of the team and the fans a little bit.

You're taking my comment way out of context. I was just saying that Suns fans had a thread to complain on if they wanted and they didn't. There is no bashing any Suns fans. I like the Suns and their fans.

 

Think what you want about my comment and Spurs fans but if the same thing happened to the Spurs and this situation came up, I would probably vent a little bit on this thread. Just my opinion. That's why I said that I was surprised that nobody came on this thread to vent their frustration. That's it.

7/24/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

mell_1289 wrote:

How was I taking "potshots" at the Suns fans? I was simply stating that I think the Suns fans are being mature about this. They could easily get on this thread and start blaming and complaining but none of them have. I was giving props to the Suns fans, not being a smartass.

 

And I don't think it's exactly fair to say that us Spurs fans have had bad behavior on this site. We haven't done anything wrong. I think we've been about as good as can be expected considering that everyone was against the Spurs.

Your original quote: "I'm actually surprised that Suns fans are being mature about this."

You're surprised, huh? Like Suns fans couldn't possibly be mature normally...I'm sure they'll all thank you for the "props".

Normally, I wouldn't say anything. I've never had a problem with Spurs fans until this year. But this year has really changed my perception of the team and the fans a little bit.

7/24/07   |   kantwistaye   |   4201 respect

Even though he might kill my favorite sport, I feel for the guy.  Here's to hoping he stays alive long enough to bring down this whole ring.

7/23/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

Pat wrote:
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the NBA is beyond corrupt now. And i hate it and fan-bashers because it comes at a time my team reaches the pinnacle of all teams. I wish the Spurs went on a massive Title run years ago, so you people wouldn't start with the tainted, cheating bologna!

He tried...but no one took the bait.

we'll i'm glad everyone has that mentality about me. Shows how un-forgiving many people are towards me. Hmph. Didn't realize i was such a pain in the rear to so many people here... twice my name has been mentioned in partial negatively ways...

7/23/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

Beatuofa wrote:
I haven't actually read any of the thread yet, but can I make a guess and say that Chris' head is about to explode from the threat of people picking on his beloved Spurs? 

there is no point to "blow up" over this issue. This isn't just involving the Spurs-- it involves you, me, mell, Pat, all NBA fans, teams, coaches, everyone.

7/23/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

it seems the NBA is in an era of tainted darkness... who knows how bad it is, we don't know 100% of the details. We do know that things need to change. I'd like to state that i dislike the things that are becoming apparent right now. I'm stunned that the NBA is getting to this point. The question for all of us fans and NBA is... Who do you trust? It's really getting down to that question. This is horrible... what a disaster...

7/23/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

desertrat wrote:

Tim Donaghy also officiated the Suns-Lakers game 3 in LA. Look at this boxscore and note the free throw disparity in favor of Phoenix. Apparently, Suns got breaks as well as the shaft in all of this.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270429013

thank you for more facts.

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

desertrat wrote:

Tim Donaghy also officiated the Suns-Lakers game 3 in LA. Look at this boxscore and note the free throw disparity in favor of Phoenix. Apparently, Suns got breaks as well as the shaft in all of this.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270429013

See that was part of mine (and Pat's) point. Every team was affected by this. I'm just saying that I don't think the officiating was particularly unfair in any particular game. The officiating is unfair in most games. That's just the way it is. Every team was helped out by the officiating and every team was hurt by the officiating. And even if there weren't dirty officials, there would still be bad calls made for and against those same teams.

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

Pat wrote:
"Either way, this officiating has had an effect on every team and the Spurs are still the champions!"

Kinda what I said in my first post on here. And exactly why I will never feel bad for a Spurs fan on this one, even if someone DOES give them some heat for it.

But keep taking your potshots at Suns fans. Just know that the behavior I've seen from the Suns fans on this site has been exemplary in defeat. I can't say the same for another group of fans. Won't mention any names...but the Spurs come to mind.

How was I taking "potshots" at the Suns fans? I was simply stating that I think the Suns fans are being mature about this. They could easily get on this thread and start blaming and complaining but none of them have. I was giving props to the Suns fans, not being a smartass.

 

And I don't think it's exactly fair to say that us Spurs fans have had bad behavior on this site. We haven't done anything wrong. I think we've been about as good as can be expected considering that everyone was against the Spurs.

7/23/07   |   desertrat   |   5497 respect

mell_1289 wrote:

True! I'm glad nobody took the bait because it's not worth arguing over. I'm actually surprised that Suns fans are being mature about this.

 

Either way, this officiating has had an effect on every team and the Spurs are still the champions!

Tim Donaghy also officiated the Suns-Lakers game 3 in LA. Look at this boxscore and note the free throw disparity in favor of Phoenix. Apparently, Suns got breaks as well as the shaft in all of this.

http://scores.espn.go.com/nba/boxscore?gameId=270429013

7/23/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

mell_1289 wrote:

True! I'm glad nobody took the bait because it's not worth arguing over. I'm actually surprised that Suns fans are being mature about this.

 

Either way, this officiating has had an effect on every team and the Spurs are still the champions!

"Either way, this officiating has had an effect on every team and the Spurs are still the champions!"

Kinda what I said in my first post on here. And exactly why I will never feel bad for a Spurs fan on this one, even if someone DOES give them some heat for it.

But keep taking your potshots at Suns fans. Just know that the behavior I've seen from the Suns fans on this site has been exemplary in defeat. I can't say the same for another group of fans. Won't mention any names...but the Spurs come to mind.

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

Pat wrote:
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Chris
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the NBA is beyond corrupt now. And i hate it and fan-bashers because it comes at a time my team reaches the pinnacle of all teams. I wish the Spurs went on a massive Title run years ago, so you people wouldn't start with the tainted, cheating bologna!

He tried...but no one took the bait.

True! I'm glad nobody took the bait because it's not worth arguing over. I'm actually surprised that Suns fans are being mature about this.

 

Either way, this officiating has had an effect on every team and the Spurs are still the champions!

7/23/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

mell_1289 wrote:

Actually Chris hasn't been that upset (I think he only posted once or twice). I think we're all in the same boat thinking that this is an unfortunate situation for NBA fans in general. But this situation can't overshadow the fact that the Spurs are still Champions. And I think that's why Chris isn't that upset.

 

Plus we all know that game 3 of the Spurs/Suns series wasn't the only game with crappy officiating. People just chose to pick on that one because Donaghy was a ref and the game actually meant something.

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the NBA is beyond corrupt now. And i hate it and fan-bashers because it comes at a time my team reaches the pinnacle of all teams. I wish the Spurs went on a massive Title run years ago, so you people wouldn't start with the tainted, cheating bologna!

He tried...but no one took the bait.

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

Beatuofa wrote:
I haven't actually read any of the thread yet, but can I make a guess and say that Chris' head is about to explode from the threat of people picking on his beloved Spurs? 

Actually Chris hasn't been that upset (I think he only posted once or twice). I think we're all in the same boat thinking that this is an unfortunate situation for NBA fans in general. But this situation can't overshadow the fact that the Spurs are still Champions. And I think that's why Chris isn't that upset.

 

Plus we all know that game 3 of the Spurs/Suns series wasn't the only game with crappy officiating. People just chose to pick on that one because Donaghy was a ref and the game actually meant something.

7/23/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

wrote:
It's Darwin's law applied to pro sports.  Franchises that overindulge and overpay borderline players deserve to pay the consequences if and when they flop.  The NFL's what have you done for me lately policy of kicking injured players to the curb is borderline fascist.  Not to mention the shady lack of pensioning going on after the fact, with players having debilitating, football-related disorders after they retire and receiving no help from the league.  No level of professional sports is perfect, and how could it be?  Making a living out of playing a game is a gamble going in.

I don't think that it's "fascist" to reward a player for performing well, and punishing them for a lack of performance. That's just capitalism at its finest. If players are concerned about injuries costing them their contract, then they can get insurance for that. And I find it difficult to feel bad for someone who doesn't get a pension, when not only do most other Americans have the same issue, even the lowest paid NFL players makes several times the amount of an average American.

7/23/07   |   Beatuofa

I haven't actually read any of the thread yet, but can I make a guess and say that Chris' head is about to explode from the threat of people picking on his beloved Spurs? 

7/23/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

That's how it should be. If there is going to be a salary cap, then there shouldn't be guaranteed contracts, IMO. Football has the perfect system. There's nothing worse than seeing guys like Vin Baker, Vitaly Potapenko, Chris Webber, Jalen Rose, etc making $14-$15 mil per year, contributing minimally to their team. It's bad for the team, bad for the league and bad for the fans.

7/23/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

wrote:
What are the salary situations you're talking about? 

And it'd take more than one referee's influence to bring down the Spurs.  They were winning no matter what, I don't think it was cheapened at all.

Steve Francis, among others. The NBA is killing itself with guaranteed contracts. There are dozens of insanely overpaid players, and it's killing a lot of teams.

7/23/07   |   Pat   |   5138 respect

I feel so bad for Spurs fans right now. It must be so awful to know that no matter what happened, they still won the championship. Poor, poor Spurs fans. Someone should probably start up a donation for all the beleaguered Spurs fans in this time of sorrow.

Give me a break...anyone who thought the NBA was legitimate at all this season needs their head checked. Between the Celtics (and maybe other teams) throwing games (yeah, I called out my own team), the refs sucking miserably ALL YEAR, and the increasingly ridiculous salary situations, the NBA is becoming more and more of a joke by the day.

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

Jon wrote:
I want to say one thing before we relive the whole Suns/Spurs thing too much in this thread.

This really sucks for you Spurs fans, the fact that there is even this question about this game. It's very unfortunate that all of this happened. Every game this guy reffed is in question, it's just bad luck I guess that it is Suns/Spurs once again. Maybe it doesn't suck quite as much as it does for us Suns fans who have yet another "what if" to add to the pile, but I do feel for the fact that you guys want to be able to know that you won the championship no questions asked. The truth is though, unless the investigation determines that this game was not subject to any shenanigans by Donaghy, we'll never know. That sucks for everyone involved, Spurs fans, Suns fans, and NBA fans in general.

Very well said!! As one of those Spurs fans, it does suck that this game/series is in question due to this/these a$$hole(s). But yeah, it does suck more for you Suns fans, I would hate to be you guys just doing the "what if" thing. It's just very unfortunate that the refs/Stern decided the best series of the playoffs instead of the teams playing it out like we all wanted to see!

 

And the situation does suck for every fan of the NBA. I just really hope that Donaghy rats out some of his colleagues that have been doing the same thing (since we know he's not the only one). But now, for a long time, us NBA fans are going to wonder whether the refs are dirty when we see a bad call.

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

desertrat wrote:

Lucky for us ML31 isn't a basketball fan.

LOL I think it's just lucky for Chris and I at this point because we would be the only ones arguing with him! Although you all would get notified when we posted something

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Ha,  good. Neither do I.

I'm very glad for that!

7/23/07   |   CriticalFanatic

mell_1289 wrote:
LOL I did. I was being a smartass! I just don't feel like arguing!

Ha,  good. Neither do I.

7/23/07   |   mell_1289

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Apparently you didn't read the article I linked to or what I wrote. ;)

LOL I did. I was being a smartass! I just don't feel like arguing!

7/23/07   |   BestofChicago   |   51 respect

Theres no other way to put it, this makes me sick.

7/23/07   |   desertrat   |   5497 respect

I saw on ESPN tonight that he led the NBA refs in technical fouls dished out last year. He also reportedly is going to rat out others, not dure if that means more refs or not.

7/23/07   |   Jon   |   5 respect

wrote:

Weren't the Spurs favored in this game?  If no, correct me, but if I recall correctly and they were, Donaghy wouldn't benefit from the ejections.  He'd want the Suns to win, or at least beat the spread.

Not necessarily. He could make money either way if he bet the right way. Plus, if there are indeed mob ties to this and this isn't just one guy making bets, they could have instructed him to have games go one way or another.

7/23/07   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

wrote:

Weren't the Spurs favored in this game?  If no, correct me, but if I recall correctly and they were, Donaghy wouldn't benefit from the ejections.  He'd want the Suns to win, or at least beat the spread.

Donaghy bet on over/under and called the games to affect the over/under. At least that is what reports have said.

7/22/07   |   desertrat   |   5497 respect

mell_1289 wrote:
I agree with you. It is so unfortunate that all of this comes to a head right after the Spurs win the Championship (especially with the Spurs/Suns series going the way it did). Fortunately though, I don't see many people (or anyone) really flat out saying that the Spurs Championship this year was tainted! Which I'm glad to see because I really don't want to argue with those people during the offseason!

Lucky for us ML31 isn't a basketball fan.

7/22/07   |   theshrewdone

Chris wrote:
...is... the NBA going to die....?

NO BALLS!

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

...is... the NBA going to die....?

7/22/07   |   Jon   |   5 respect

I want to say one thing before we relive the whole Suns/Spurs thing too much in this thread.

This really sucks for you Spurs fans, the fact that there is even this question about this game. It's very unfortunate that all of this happened. Every game this guy reffed is in question, it's just bad luck I guess that it is Suns/Spurs once again. Maybe it doesn't suck quite as much as it does for us Suns fans who have yet another "what if" to add to the pile, but I do feel for the fact that you guys want to be able to know that you won the championship no questions asked. The truth is though, unless the investigation determines that this game was not subject to any shenanigans by Donaghy, we'll never know. That sucks for everyone involved, Spurs fans, Suns fans, and NBA fans in general.

7/22/07   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

Chris wrote:
it would have gone to 7 games if the Suns managed to keep the win despite leading by 16 in game 5.

No doubt but the officiating crews are set up in a way to give certain teams a better chance to win. I'm not a fan of the Spurs or the Suns, I am just a fan of basketball.

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

Jubanator14 wrote:
Game 4 the NBA sent Steve Javie which is widely considered to be one of the best if not the best ref in the NBA. If you really wanna look at that, the NBA wanted that series to go to 7 games. Simmons pointed that out in his column today, not that they wanted it to go to 7 but the way that the refs were used in the series.

it would have gone to 7 games if the Suns managed to keep the win despite leading by 16 in game 5.

7/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

mell_1289 wrote:
I agree with you. It is so unfortunate that all of this comes to a head right after the Spurs win the Championship (especially with the Spurs/Suns series going the way it did). Fortunately though, I don't see many people (or anyone) really flat out saying that the Spurs Championship this year was tainted! Which I'm glad to see because I really don't want to argue with those people during the offseason!

Apparently you didn't read the article I linked to or what I wrote. ;)

7/22/07   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

Chris wrote:
just to note you all... GAME FOURRRRR was the game the ejections occured. DUH?

Game 4 the NBA sent Steve Javie which is widely considered to be one of the best if not the best ref in the NBA. If you really wanna look at that, the NBA wanted that series to go to 7 games. Simmons pointed that out in his column today, not that they wanted it to go to 7 but the way that the refs were used in the series.

7/22/07   |   mell_1289

Chris wrote:
the NBA is beyond corrupt now. And i hate it and fan-bashers because it comes at a time my team reaches the pinnacle of all teams. I wish the Spurs went on a massive Title run years ago, so you people wouldn't start with the tainted, cheating bologna!
(Edited by mell_1289)

I agree with you. It is so unfortunate that all of this comes to a head right after the Spurs win the Championship (especially with the Spurs/Suns series going the way it did). Fortunately though, I don't see many people (or anyone) really flat out saying that the Spurs Championship this year was tainted! Which I'm glad to see because I really don't want to argue with those people during the offseason!

7/22/07   |   MrNFL   |   175 respect

Chris wrote:
was the 2006 NBA Finals rigged? Clearly it looked like the Mavericks owned the Heat... also the routes they took to get there... it looked to be a for sure re-match of San Antonio and Detroit.

I personally don't think the entire league is rigged or any of that stuff.  I think that this ref for the most part is an isolated case, and that the league isn't rigged.  I just think the refs aren't that good lol. 

7/22/07   |   desertrat   |   5497 respect

Chris wrote:
next year i can tell you there may end up being a classic 7-game series between PHX and SA... unless we pick up another flashy star with the extra cash coming in from Rasho's trade, and of course the deal that will give San Antonio $5 million from Houston too... so we may be able to sign a decent player with a good $7-8 million yearly salary.

It would appear the Suns are preparing to make a big move with the trading of Kurt Thomas and draft picks for basically nothing. They did free up some cap space and may try to trade Shawn Marion along with someone else to try and land Kevin Garnett. If that happens, Suns would dominate the paint over Duncan and whomever they throw in there with him.

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

MrNFL wrote:
If the NBA was truely rigged completely, the Suns would have been in the finals, because more people want to watch the flashy high scoring team over the technically sound team.

was the 2006 NBA Finals rigged? Clearly it looked like the Mavericks owned the Heat... also the routes they took to get there... it looked to be a for sure re-match of San Antonio and Detroit.

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

next year i can tell you there may end up being a classic 7-game series between PHX and SA... unless we pick up another flashy star with the extra cash coming in from Rasho's trade, and of course the deal that will give San Antonio $5 million from Houston too... so we may be able to sign a decent player with a good $7-8 million yearly salary.

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

CriticalFanatic wrote:
Yes, Game 3 was the most poorly officiated game of the entire season.

it was... it really was.

7/22/07   |   desertrat   |   5497 respect

J-Mack wrote:
Remember all those super close lucky games the laker's had won against Sacramento and the trailblazers in the Western conference playoffs from back in the day, i noticed the BS then

Sacrament was a joke. They were the team that basically perfected the art of flopping once Vlade joined the team and showed the art to Chris Webber. If the Queens had actually concentrated on playing basketball instead of trying to draw fouls by flopping, they may have made the finals.

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

the NBA is beyond corrupt now. And i hate it and fan-bashers because it comes at a time my team reaches the pinnacle of all teams. I wish the Spurs went on a massive Title run years ago, so you people wouldn't start with the tainted, cheating bologna!

7/22/07   |   CriticalFanatic

Chris wrote:
just to note you all... GAME FOURRRRR was the game the ejections occured. DUH?
(Edited by CriticalFanatic)

Yes, Game 3 was the most poorly officiated game of the entire season.

7/22/07   |   J-Mack

Remember all those super close lucky games the laker's had won against Sacramento and the trailblazers in the Western conference playoffs from back in the day, i noticed the BS then

7/22/07   |   MrNFL   |   175 respect

Chris wrote:
so would the NBA Finals have better ratings with another defensive, "boring" team like say.... Seattle Supersonics? Or Houston Rockets?

If the NBA was truely rigged completely, the Suns would have been in the finals, because more people want to watch the flashy high scoring team over the technically sound team.

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

MrNFL wrote:
Actually, the ratings this past year were the lowest in a long time, and as you can tell just by being here, most people didn't even want to watch the Spurs play.

so would the NBA Finals have better ratings with another defensive, "boring" team like say.... Seattle Supersonics? Or Houston Rockets?

7/22/07   |   Chris   |   3 respect

just to note you all... GAME FOURRRRR was the game the ejections occured. DUH?

7/22/07   |   MrNFL   |   175 respect

Actually, the ratings this past year were the lowest in a long time, and as you can tell just by being here, most people didn't even want to watch the Spurs play.

7/22/07   |   theshrewdone

I don't know...you dig deep enough and you might find the ref from the Seattle v Pittsburgh Referees super-ref game!

In all reality, there's got to be more than just one involved in this kind of thing.  With their salaries and the money that can be made off gambling...they could all be paid off.  Except for Mr. Big Arms in the NFL...he's just the muscle behind it all!  hehehe  I love watching games he refs...he's awesome.

7/22/07   |   MrNFL   |   175 respect

desertrat wrote:
I think if the Feds dig deep enough, you'll find that the fix for many games comes from the league office itself. There are some teams that don't do well for TV ratings meaning the TV networks stand to lose millions in advertising. Stories are good for ratings, last year we had the 3 prong feel good story in Miami with Alonzo Mourning surviving his disease and finally winning a ring, Gary Payton also finally getting a ring, and then Shaq getting another ring while his unpopular former sidekick watches from LA. This year everyone feared another boring Spurs-Pistons final, so suddenly the Cavs come alive and win 4 straight to put the games newest superstar into the finals in Lebron James. There also seems to be obvious calls that are designed to extend a series more games, which translates into more money for TV networks. I could go back a lot of years and point out games that fit all these criteria. This has been my opinion for many years, since before Michael Jordan even entered the league and made a hypocrisy of all NBA officiating with the notorious "Jordan Rules".

If this was truely the case, do you really think the SPURS would have been anywhere NEAR the Finals this year?

7/22/07   |   Nick S

I always thought the C's just had really bad luck in the lottery but no don't know what to think. Gives me even further reason not to watch the NBA, the C's suck and the games have been fixed. Good job David Stern!!

7/22/07   |   desertrat   |   5497 respect

I think if the Feds dig deep enough, you'll find that the fix for many games comes from the league office itself. There are some teams that don't do well for TV ratings meaning the TV networks stand to lose millions in advertising. Stories are good for ratings, last year we had the 3 prong feel good story in Miami with Alonzo Mourning surviving his disease and finally winning a ring, Gary Payton also finally getting a ring, and then Shaq getting another ring while his unpopular former sidekick watches from LA. This year everyone feared another boring Spurs-Pistons final, so suddenly the Cavs come alive and win 4 straight to put the games newest superstar into the finals in Lebron James. There also seems to be obvious calls that are designed to extend a series more games, which translates into more money for TV networks. I could go back a lot of years and point out games that fit all these criteria. This has been my opinion for many years, since before Michael Jordan even entered the league and made a hypocrisy of all NBA officiating with the notorious "Jordan Rules".

7/22/07   |   Jubanator14   |   367 respect

J-Mack wrote:
People was saying this league had games sit up for  years, the NBA they knew about this stuff and now we have proof!
(Edited by Jubanator14)

The NBA did not have the games set up for years. The proof is that one official did things to help the over/under in the game.  They have never said Donaghy bet on games straight up, he always bet over/under is what reports have said. As a life long NBA fan it really saddens me to see what has come to light and what will come to light as a result of all of this.

7/22/07   |   J-Mack

People was saying this league had games sit up for  years, the NBA they knew about this stuff and now we have proof!

7/22/07   |   MrNFL   |   175 respect

Unreal...