Floyd Mayweather Says That Manny Pacquiao Needs Him, But He Doesn't Need Pacquiao
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Floyd Mayweather Is Still All About The Money, And Still Has An Incredibly Enormous Ego.

5/20/09 in Boxing   |   Pat   |   5234 respect


Floyd Mayweather refuses to look past his fight with Juan Manuel Marquez. But he would still like to point out that he believes that Manny Pacquiao needs him for more than he needs Pacquiao. It's moments like these that make me desperately hope that Pacquiao (or anyone, really) knocks Mayweather out cold.

Mayweather is clearly delusional, even going so far as no pretend that he has no idea how Pacquiao could claim the title of "pound for pound champion" after Mayweather retired for over a year. Not that it matters, since he made it clear that he's only in it for the money. None of this surprises us about Mayweather. But it would be nice if he didn't COMPLETELY embody everything that most of us hate about sports.


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6/4/09   |   elma_serolf

manny is successful because he doesnt fight for his own glory only but also for the filipino fans. he has the strength of a champion but doesnt have the ego of most popular sports icon. he keeps his feet on the ground.

6/4/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

Manny Pacquiao is the only Filipino and only boxer who was able to make it to the "Forbes top 100", saw it on TV
My hats off to the PACMAN!

6/4/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

billiePAL1998 wrote:
well i'm amenable to what you've said bludevil,
lets just wait for the fight. and save yourself from agony,dont assume anymore because they will truly meet on the ring.
as you have said everybody needs somebody including your guy,  lets not excuse floyd from the pack.
and as far as pacman is concerned? there is a lingo in the corporate and showbiz world, you are as good as your last performance.
as an expectator, I enjoyed every minute of pacmans fights, i dont feel short change, he really gives his best without reservation. Some boxers makes you feel you're being robbed because you know thats not the real deal that you're getting.
and if mayweather is really good then he should truly fight pacquiao, because fighting pacman is an honor.
he is the true barometer for any boxers ability.
If he wins vs manny then he is really good but if he losses to manny then its a good loss bec he is fighting the best.


I agree with you there, Pac Man does give his best and I've always felt that he is worth every last penny when I've paid to watch him fight. And I'll pay to watch him fight again, he's an incredible talent.

I'd also say that fighting Floyd is an honor, as Floyd is an undefeated champion and has earned his way to the top of boxing. Obviously, having never been beaten, Floyd is also a pretty good barometer for another boxers ability.

6/4/09   |   deols70

fine

6/4/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

well i'm amenable to what you've said bludevil,
lets just wait for the fight. and save yourself from agony,dont assume anymore because they will truly meet on the ring.
as you have said everybody needs somebody including your guy,  lets not excuse floyd from the pack.
and as far as pacman is concerned? there is a lingo in the corporate and showbiz world, you are as good as your last performance.
as an expectator, I enjoyed every minute of pacmans fights, i dont feel short change, he really gives his best without reservation. Some boxers makes you feel you're being robbed because you know thats not the real deal that you're getting.
and if mayweather is really good then he should truly fight pacquiao, because fighting pacman is an honor.
he is the true barometer for any boxers ability.
If he wins vs manny then he is really good but if he losses to manny then its a good loss bec he is fighting the best.


6/1/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

billiePAL1998 wrote:
hahaha! you know for a fact that your judges, when pacman was not yet as famous were conniving devils on being partial to anyboby but pacquiao, dont turn a blind eye on it man you maybe knowledgeable BUT you are blind!  at least manny did not sleep on the ring nor knelt down on it,    check HBO VIEWERSHIP PACMAN HAS THE HIGHEST PAY-PER-VIEW in the history of boxing. and admit it! you are somewhat insulted when somebody from a third world country defeats you, its painful isnt it? hahaha! as for the issue of being a homer? HIS ACCOLADES from Ali and other boxing afficionado et al is not enough for you? then you are the homer, OPPS and pls check who has the highest attendance for a fight too.
And correction, being a FAN thats what WE ARE, you dont have to be a genius or a know- it -all- guy to know hit from run.
You can be famous without the scandals (Mike Tyson) or be famous without rumors of game fixing (dela hoya) be famous for being loud mouth and good (floyd)or be famous just by simply being good. its your choice.

Umm... last time I checked I hadn't been defeated by somebody for a third world country... and even if I had, not, it wouldn't insult me. Fact of the matter is that I'm also a huge soccer fan and I've got no problem admitting that there are plenty of third world countries that are better than the USA and that have deservedly beaten the USA. That's no insult to me, just means that the USA needs to be better if they expect to compete. I really don't like the fact that its implied that I'm some kind of racist because of my comments in this thread. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Yes, Pac Man has the highest PPV, that's true. Just as Floyd had before him, and Oscar had before Floyd and Tyson had before Oscar. My entire point was that you stated that the *only* two boxers in the history of the sport that had made boxing viable were Ali and Pac Man and I'm saying that is simply not true. I'm not saying that Pac Man didn't make boxing viable, he certainly has. But to say that *only* Pac Man and Ali have done that is simply incorrect.

Look, Pac Man is great. I just don't think he's as good as Floyd, or that he's had as good of a career as Floyd has had, or that Floyd needs Pac Man. Floyd does not need Pac Man in order to cement his legacy. That's clear. Pac Man does need Floyd to cement his legacy. That's clear.

We'll see it settled in the ring, assuming that Pac Man does not get beaten by Shane Mosley or Miguel Cotto in the near future.

And if Floyd does lose to Pac Man, assuming they fight, you'll get no excuses from me. I can guarantee that.

6/1/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

Bludevil has always an excuse for his man floyd.... boxers are damage goods by the time pacman reached him or hasnt been KOed etc.. by the time manny beats his man he will have another excuse like..... he has been retired for some time or age does matter what else???
I'm a marketing executive, and in life, any undertakings that requires talent or asset or whatever it is that equates money needs marketing! and your career is measured on how marketable are you? not how many winnings you have.
Floyd needs pacman why? becuase HE...IS...THE...MOST....VIABLE....BOXER....AS.....OF...THIS......TIME.....
and it would be a tremendous ego trip for him to beat PACMAN.
So lets just talk about who is a better fighter NOT WHO NEEDS WHO OR WHO HAS A BETTER CAREER.

5/31/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

BluDevil wrote:
Wow....

I don't know what I'm talking about, eh?

You said "THE ONLY BOXER OTHER THAN ALI THAT MADE BOXING VIABLE AGAIN IS MANNY PAQUIAO". That statement is so ridiculous, I don't know what to say. I mean, Mike Tyson didn't make boxing viable when he dominated and basically created boxing pay-per-view? Or you ever heard of Oscar De La Hoya, who did a pretty good job of keeping boxing viable, and if you know anything at all about the sport, you'd know that. And you can go check the viewing income from HBO and Showtime for both Tyson and De La Hoya and look at the endorsements that De La Hoya has gotten. De La Hoya has easily made 10 times the amount of endorsement money as Pac Man.

The fact that you think that Ali and Pac Man are the only two boxers in history that made boxing viable tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge level when it comes to boxing.

And your opinion on what "better career" means is just that, your opinion. You can say that it means you've earned respect, made your country proud of you, etc., etc. But what you sound like to me is a homer fan, and that's fine, you can be a homer if you want. I'm a homer sometimes too, but I know when I am and I recgonize it and admit it.

But in my opinion, better career means better wins, more KOs and less losses. Floyd has *never* been KOed and Manny has... where I come from that means Floyd has had the better career. Not to mention when I "check the history" as you suggest, I see that Floyd has beaten a much higher level of opponent during his career than Manny has. And when you look at opponents that Floyd and Manny have in common, like De La Hoya and Hatton, you see that Floyd beat those guys when they were better fighters and Manny followed the road map that Floyd laid down for him so that he could beat those guys too (and they were damaged goods by the time Manny got to them).

But we'll hopefully get to see this debate settled in the ring. But just do yourself a favor and admit that you are being a bit of a homer and you're seeing Pac Man and his career and legacy through rose colored glasses.

hahaha! you know for a fact that your judges, when pacman was not yet as famous were conniving devils on being partial to anyboby but pacquiao, dont turn a blind eye on it man you maybe knowledgeable BUT you are blind!  at least manny did not sleep on the ring nor knelt down on it,    check HBO VIEWERSHIP PACMAN HAS THE HIGHEST PAY-PER-VIEW in the history of boxing. and admit it! you are somewhat insulted when somebody from a third world country defeats you, its painful isnt it? hahaha! as for the issue of being a homer? HIS ACCOLADES from Ali and other boxing afficionado et al is not enough for you? then you are the homer, OPPS and pls check who has the highest attendance for a fight too.
And correction, being a FAN thats what WE ARE, you dont have to be a genius or a know- it -all- guy to know hit from run.
You can be famous without the scandals (Mike Tyson) or be famous without rumors of game fixing (dela hoya) be famous for being loud mouth and good (floyd)or be famous just by simply being good. its your choice.

5/30/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

billiePAL1998 wrote:
well here we go again, pls check each ones history, if manny was given the same exposure as floyd, then you will know what i mean. good for floyd he's in the USA, and he got all the trainings and fights he needed, given that the two has equal oppurtunity? pacman will leave floyd by a mile. as of to date, they are equal, after the fight? thats what we have to see.

So since when is life fair and we're all guaranteed equality? People do have to *earn* things sometimes. Manny isn't just going to be given the same exposure as Floyd because Manny hasn't earned the same exposure as Floyd until recently.

And to be fair, Floyd wasn't just *given* his exposure either. Floyd did earn it, by going out and beating every man that was put in front of him and becoming a champion.

5/30/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

billiePAL1998 wrote:
Hey guys listen up! if we are talking about better career then bludevil is not knowledgeable on what his saying. Better career means you've earned the respect of your co-athletes, you've made yourself and your country proud of you, you've earned enough money to continue on with your legacy and no matter you look at it pacman may not have the same exposure as floyd because he started poor, but take this THE ONLY BOXER OTHER THAN ALI THAT MADE BOXING VIABLE AGAIN IS MANNY PAQUIAO (check out the attendance and viewing income from HBO, plus endorsement). Withour him boxing will be dominated by boring fighters like floyd and barrera etc.

Wow....

I don't know what I'm talking about, eh?

You said "THE ONLY BOXER OTHER THAN ALI THAT MADE BOXING VIABLE AGAIN IS MANNY PAQUIAO". That statement is so ridiculous, I don't know what to say. I mean, Mike Tyson didn't make boxing viable when he dominated and basically created boxing pay-per-view? Or you ever heard of Oscar De La Hoya, who did a pretty good job of keeping boxing viable, and if you know anything at all about the sport, you'd know that. And you can go check the viewing income from HBO and Showtime for both Tyson and De La Hoya and look at the endorsements that De La Hoya has gotten. De La Hoya has easily made 10 times the amount of endorsement money as Pac Man.

The fact that you think that Ali and Pac Man are the only two boxers in history that made boxing viable tells me everything I need to know about your knowledge level when it comes to boxing.

And your opinion on what "better career" means is just that, your opinion. You can say that it means you've earned respect, made your country proud of you, etc., etc. But what you sound like to me is a homer fan, and that's fine, you can be a homer if you want. I'm a homer sometimes too, but I know when I am and I recgonize it and admit it.

But in my opinion, better career means better wins, more KOs and less losses. Floyd has *never* been KOed and Manny has... where I come from that means Floyd has had the better career. Not to mention when I "check the history" as you suggest, I see that Floyd has beaten a much higher level of opponent during his career than Manny has. And when you look at opponents that Floyd and Manny have in common, like De La Hoya and Hatton, you see that Floyd beat those guys when they were better fighters and Manny followed the road map that Floyd laid down for him so that he could beat those guys too (and they were damaged goods by the time Manny got to them).

But we'll hopefully get to see this debate settled in the ring. But just do yourself a favor and admit that you are being a bit of a homer and you're seeing Pac Man and his career and legacy through rose colored glasses.

5/29/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

BluDevil wrote:
Has Pacman beaten anyone that Floyd didn't already beat the crap out of?

well here we go again, pls check each ones history, if manny was given the same exposure as floyd, then you will know what i mean. good for floyd he's in the USA, and he got all the trainings and fights he needed, given that the two has equal oppurtunity? pacman will leave floyd by a mile. as of to date, they are equal, after the fight? thats what we have to see.

5/29/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

BluDevil wrote:
Ummm... I'm such a loser 'cause I like Floyd? Listen bro, I don't care if anyone else in the world likes the same things I like. I learned a long time ago that other people don't have to like what I like in order for me to feel validated. I have plenty of respect for other people who can make a decent point in their argument.

I don't have to wait for the fight to happen to know that Floyd has had a better career than Manny thus far. After the fight, I might not be able to say the same. But right now, today, there is no debate. Floyd has had a better career than Manny, no matter how you look at it.

hMMMM YOUR COMMENT IS SUBJECTIVE JUST LIKE MINE, I dont have to wait for the fight to happen I know Manny is a better fighter, and careerwise? Nah pacman's career has climb up enormously - coupled with all the fee he recieves, his opponents even had taken advantage of his flourishing carrer. without him they will just be a flash in the can. ITS CLEAR MAYWEATHER NEEDS PACMANS CAREER (and handsome pay off) AND MANNY NEEDS FLOYDS TITLE.

5/29/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

BluDevil wrote:
I get it, I know that is what he says in the interview. But boxers are *notorious* for saying stuff to hype up fights, or to hype themselves up when they don't really mean it. Tyson did the same thing when he talked all that smack about Lennox to get people interested in the fight so they could both make more money and then after the fight he's all hugs and even said, after the fight, that it was all hype to get people to watch.

Bernard Hopkins has done that before, saying "No white boy can beat me" and then afterwards saying that he said that about Calzage just to get more people to buy the fight.

And again, the biggest of all time by all accounts was Ali who was known for his private generosity to fighters while publically shaming them, just to hype things up.

Floyd is no fool, I think. I think he knows that people hate him when he talks all about the money, and then those haters are gonna pay to see him fight so they can root for him to get KOed and "put in his place". But ultimately that is just Floyd hyping up a fight, in my opinion. So I know that is what he said, I did watch the interview, I just don't put any faith into thinking that is really how he feels because there are tons of examples, way more than I listed here, of top fighters saying one thing to the cameras to get hype up and then really being totally different when the cameras are off.

I don't think he's coming back just as a favor to other fighters. I think he's coming back because he loves the sport and wants to prove he's the best and yes, money is a factor but not the sole factor. And his love for the sport is a reason why Floyd should be liked by fans, just like many fans love other athletes who compete for the love of the game.

But we have to admit without Manny the pay will not be as high.  Remember as per record pacman made boxing great again as far as viewership is concern, Let's all thank the guy PACMAN!

5/29/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

mech_alde wrote:

Yeah really, you like spanish Mr. Taylordanley?? don't divert to the topic, you are already discriminating someone....I don't care if my english is not good....you cannot understand what I'm saying because may you don't know your language either.....if you have an opinion, tell your opinion, if you like to discriminate someone, don't ever post here.....

Mr. taylordanley pick somebody your own size man, people are looking up to pacman (ordinary people I mean) because he was the only boxer who inspires the masses. If they can't articulate what they wanted you to know READ BETWEEN THE LINES! IQ does not equate your knowledge in the english language, its more than that!
Manny is appreciated because he's good let's not beat around the bush HE IS REALLLLLYYYYY GOOOODDD,
He arrived at his status not just by luck but sheer determination, he thanked the Lord for his winnings not his mouth or coach, now that's what I call a champion.
Athletes nowadays are a lot smarter than before, so are the fans.
So put your foot where your mouth is.....

5/29/09   |   billiePAL1998   |   2796 respect

BluDevil wrote:
Ummm... I'm such a loser 'cause I like Floyd? Listen bro, I don't care if anyone else in the world likes the same things I like. I learned a long time ago that other people don't have to like what I like in order for me to feel validated. I have plenty of respect for other people who can make a decent point in their argument.

I don't have to wait for the fight to happen to know that Floyd has had a better career than Manny thus far. After the fight, I might not be able to say the same. But right now, today, there is no debate. Floyd has had a better career than Manny, no matter how you look at it.

Hey guys listen up! if we are talking about better career then bludevil is not knowledgeable on what his saying. Better career means you've earned the respect of your co-athletes, you've made yourself and your country proud of you, you've earned enough money to continue on with your legacy and no matter you look at it pacman may not have the same exposure as floyd because he started poor, but take this THE ONLY BOXER OTHER THAN ALI THAT MADE BOXING VIABLE AGAIN IS MANNY PAQUIAO (check out the attendance and viewing income from HBO, plus endorsement). Withour him boxing will be dominated by boring fighters like floyd and barrera etc.

5/29/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

ugly_bastard6 wrote:
come on....you're such a loser...NOT EVERYBODY likes your boy bludevil....that's it...just respect what other people thinks of your boy and stop whining...let's just wait for the fight to happen and then you can leave your fair and honest judgment later....

Ummm... I'm such a loser 'cause I like Floyd? Listen bro, I don't care if anyone else in the world likes the same things I like. I learned a long time ago that other people don't have to like what I like in order for me to feel validated. I have plenty of respect for other people who can make a decent point in their argument.

I don't have to wait for the fight to happen to know that Floyd has had a better career than Manny thus far. After the fight, I might not be able to say the same. But right now, today, there is no debate. Floyd has had a better career than Manny, no matter how you look at it.

5/29/09   |   mech_alde

taylordanley wrote:
i would have understood this better if it was just in Spanish

Yeah really, you like spanish Mr. Taylordanley?? don't divert to the topic, you are already discriminating someone....I don't care if my english is not good....you cannot understand what I'm saying because may you don't know your language either.....if you have an opinion, tell your opinion, if you like to discriminate someone, don't ever post here.....

5/29/09   |   ramonski_isp

manny pacquiao is a good figther,not a boastful,good heart and god fearing.he fight not only for the money,but for the pride of his country.

5/28/09   |   ugly_bastard6

come on....you're such a loser...NOT EVERYBODY likes your boy bludevil....that's it...just respect what other people thinks of your boy and stop whining...let's just wait for the fight to happen and then you can leave your fair and honest judgment later....

5/28/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

mech_alde wrote:
never mind if mayweather jr. owns an olympic medal, as far as we concern now is his mouthful talking, looking down on all boxers becasue he thinks he's the best. Pacquiao will be his ultimate opponent that he cannot put down. Maybe you did not observe the fights of pacman because all of his opponents are too much talkative and their mouth usual used to punch pacquiao (maybe they like kiss pacman). If mayweather will continue punching his loud mouth, he also will suffer the fate of other boxers from the iron fists of pacman....

Has Pacman beaten anyone that Floyd didn't already beat the crap out of?

5/28/09   |   taylordanley   |   6 respect

mech_alde wrote:
never mind if mayweather jr. owns an olympic medal, as far as we concern now is his mouthful talking, looking down on all boxers becasue he thinks he's the best. Pacquiao will be his ultimate opponent that he cannot put down. Maybe you did not observe the fights of pacman because all of his opponents are too much talkative and their mouth usual used to punch pacquiao (maybe they like kiss pacman). If mayweather will continue punching his loud mouth, he also will suffer the fate of other boxers from the iron fists of pacman....

i would have understood this better if it was just in Spanish

5/28/09   |   mech_alde

never mind if mayweather jr. owns an olympic medal, as far as we concern now is his mouthful talking, looking down on all boxers becasue he thinks he's the best. Pacquiao will be his ultimate opponent that he cannot put down. Maybe you did not observe the fights of pacman because all of his opponents are too much talkative and their mouth usual used to punch pacquiao (maybe they like kiss pacman). If mayweather will continue punching his loud mouth, he also will suffer the fate of other boxers from the iron fists of pacman....

5/27/09   |   taylordanley   |   6 respect

BlueDevil has been correct this entire arguement! Floyd has never ducked anybody and has been in the ring with some of the best of his weightclass. jose luis castillo (57-9) with 49 KO's for instance. CHICOOO diego corrales who also owns a respectable record at 40-5, 33 of them being knockouts. not to mention floyd owns another thing pacman has yet to achieve, an olympic medal

5/23/09   |   dennydammit

BluDevil wrote:
Couldn't agree more, glad to see some other fans out there get what is going on here.

Yes I do BlueDevil. Thank you.

 

5/23/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

dennydammit wrote:
The Topic is Mayweather was all about  the money and he's cocky. Well, why shouldn't he be all about the money. I wouldn't stand in a ring boxing for fans if I didn't make the money either. Look at all the ball players, football, baseball and basket ball. They get paid enormous bucks for what they do, but we aren't saying each one ot them are in it for the money. But they are!!!!! At least he is honest and tells  everyone right out front, but just like Blue Devil says, I don't think it's all about the money. He does love the sport and does want to prove he's the best. . And as far as having and enourmous ego, yes he does, but he is entitled. He is damned good at what he does and just think, Ali had an enormous ego  too . I am torn on the issue of these two fighters fighting each other. They are 2 of my most favorite. I have to say that I think Mayweather will prevail. He's always been my favorite boxer and probably always will be. Manny is good, and I respect him as a fighter, but my money is on Floyd. I believe a fight between them is inevitable. It's going to happen, it's already being thought about, discussed, being built up in the media. As per video. Floyd is just doing his part to promote that fight that is ahead. That's just how its's done. If a fight wasn't going to happen Floyd wouldn't waste his time. Floyd is already the best, his record speaks for itself. Yes he hasn't been in the llimelight for some time, but bet he misses it. As far as backing down goes, he hasn't backed down, he isn't scared he has fought some of the biggest names in boxing, and like he says, he's in it for the money. I bet if he'd been paid enough he'd of fought them. Blame circumstances, not the man. The pieces of the puzzle never fell into place, or he just felt that some of them weren't worth his time fighting. Like I said, I am torn because Manny is a favorite too, and it will be heartbreaking in a way to watch. There can only be one winner. I still think Mayweather has it.
 

Couldn't agree more, glad to see some other fans out there get what is going on here.

5/23/09   |   dennydammit

The Topic is Mayweather was all about  the money and he's cocky. Well, why shouldn't he be all about the money. I wouldn't stand in a ring boxing for fans if I didn't make the money either. Look at all the ball players, football, baseball and basket ball. They get paid enormous bucks for what they do, but we aren't saying each one ot them are in it for the money. But they are!!!!! At least he is honest and tells  everyone right out front, but just like Blue Devil says, I don't think it's all about the money. He does love the sport and does want to prove he's the best. . And as far as having and enourmous ego, yes he does, but he is entitled. He is damned good at what he does and just think, Ali had an enormous ego  too . I am torn on the issue of these two fighters fighting each other. They are 2 of my most favorite. I have to say that I think Mayweather will prevail. He's always been my favorite boxer and probably always will be. Manny is good, and I respect him as a fighter, but my money is on Floyd. I believe a fight between them is inevitable. It's going to happen, it's already being thought about, discussed, being built up in the media. As per video. Floyd is just doing his part to promote that fight that is ahead. That's just how its's done. If a fight wasn't going to happen Floyd wouldn't waste his time. Floyd is already the best, his record speaks for itself. Yes he hasn't been in the llimelight for some time, but bet he misses it. As far as backing down goes, he hasn't backed down, he isn't scared he has fought some of the biggest names in boxing, and like he says, he's in it for the money. I bet if he'd been paid enough he'd of fought them. Blame circumstances, not the man. The pieces of the puzzle never fell into place, or he just felt that some of them weren't worth his time fighting. Like I said, I am torn because Manny is a favorite too, and it will be heartbreaking in a way to watch. There can only be one winner. I still think Mayweather has it.

 

5/22/09   |   bjdadj_88_1

Manny can beat Floyd.  Hes just as quick as Floyd, has a geat chin, is dangerous in both hands now and can punch like a mule.  All Floyd did was talk about Mannys past, but Floyd has been called out by many fighters in the past 5 or 6 years and hes ducked them. Mosley, Margarito, Cotto, Williams, etc... The best in his division.  Manny would never back down from any of them.  In fact, Manny and his team have talked about a bout with Mosley, hopefully later this year.  Manny puts the pressure on Floyd, plus his 2 dangerous hands. Floyd is in for a rude awakening and his 0 will go.  Floyd can't block everything, especially when its coming at all angles with intent about 5 punches at a time.

5/20/09   |   Jo_Racer

in the end, it all goes down in the ring. first, with Juan Marquez. then, with whoever comes next with whatever outcome of that fight. i've seen Floyd Jr.'s fight in the years before his retirement, and judging from his style, and Marquez's style, the first few rounds would result in measuring up each other. Floyd has the reach advantage here and a has good quick jabs, while Marquez is a defensive, tactical counterpuncher who will probably be the one on the aggressive side.

if ever the Floyd Jr. - Pacquiao fight surfaces, i'll give my opinion on that later.

what they say on the press, is to give the fight the ratings is needs. i just wanna watch the fists fly.

5/20/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

Pat wrote:
And no, I'm not mad at criticism. I agree with a lot of what you said there, especially about my lack of knowledge about the sport. But like I said, if I don't post it, it doesn't get posted. Now, the discussion is started.

I am 110% serious when I say that any boxing posts that you would like to write would be more than appreciated. It's always good to get someone else's take on it, other than myself and 100%InjuryRate. Feel free to post something about Money's place in history, and why he's among the greats. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

I appreciate the offer and I will submit some articles. I've already written boxing posts about lots of the recent fights, like Jermain Taylor vs. Carl Froch, Winky Wright vs. Paul Williams, Chad Dawson vs. Antonio Tarver and I plan to write up stuff on Berto vs. Urango and Valuev vs. Chagev in the coming weeks. The posts I've submitted haven't made the front page, but they are there for boxing fans who want to read them.

As far as Floyd goes, I'd love to write something up and I will. But I think by reading my posts in this thread you've already heard most of my thoughts on him. I'm his #1 fan on the Q and I wouldn't be much of a fan if I didn't pop in to defend him.

5/20/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

Pat wrote:
If I thought someone else would have posted this, I would have gladly left it to them.

But the reality is that it's not my opinion that he's only in it for the payday. Did you watch the interview? He says it himself. He's all about the money. It's not my opinion, it's HIS opinion.


I'm sorry, but when a guy says that he doesn't care who is the pound for pound best, then I have a hard time believing that he's just coming back as a favor to other fighters. I'm just not buying it.

I get it, I know that is what he says in the interview. But boxers are *notorious* for saying stuff to hype up fights, or to hype themselves up when they don't really mean it. Tyson did the same thing when he talked all that smack about Lennox to get people interested in the fight so they could both make more money and then after the fight he's all hugs and even said, after the fight, that it was all hype to get people to watch.

Bernard Hopkins has done that before, saying "No white boy can beat me" and then afterwards saying that he said that about Calzage just to get more people to buy the fight.

And again, the biggest of all time by all accounts was Ali who was known for his private generosity to fighters while publically shaming them, just to hype things up.

Floyd is no fool, I think. I think he knows that people hate him when he talks all about the money, and then those haters are gonna pay to see him fight so they can root for him to get KOed and "put in his place". But ultimately that is just Floyd hyping up a fight, in my opinion. So I know that is what he said, I did watch the interview, I just don't put any faith into thinking that is really how he feels because there are tons of examples, way more than I listed here, of top fighters saying one thing to the cameras to get hype up and then really being totally different when the cameras are off.

I don't think he's coming back just as a favor to other fighters. I think he's coming back because he loves the sport and wants to prove he's the best and yes, money is a factor but not the sole factor. And his love for the sport is a reason why Floyd should be liked by fans, just like many fans love other athletes who compete for the love of the game.

5/20/09   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

And no, I'm not mad at criticism. I agree with a lot of what you said there, especially about my lack of knowledge about the sport. But like I said, if I don't post it, it doesn't get posted. Now, the discussion is started.

I am 110% serious when I say that any boxing posts that you would like to write would be more than appreciated. It's always good to get someone else's take on it, other than myself and 100%InjuryRate. Feel free to post something about Money's place in history, and why he's among the greats. I'd love to hear your thoughts on it.

5/20/09   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

BluDevil wrote:

Pat,  you seem like a nice, likeable guy and I know you do a lot for the community around here. So I'm sure you'll be mad at what I have to say, but I feel it needs to be said.

You just pointed out that you don't know enough about boxing to come up with names of guys that Floyd has dodged. Yet you take it upon yourself to write this article that basically attempts to paint Floyd as a money grubbing, delusional no talent hack who doesn't deserve to get in the ring with Pac Man.

Since you don't know a lot about boxing and you are willing to admit that, then why don't you leave the articles that are trying to really examine boxing to people who do know a lot about the sport? Just something to think about.

Floyd is a tremendous fighter and he makes excellent points that Pac Man needs him more than he needs Pac Man. Floyd already has an established legacy that isn't going to be *that* much greater if he beats Pac Man. But if Pac Man becomes the only man to defeat Floyd? Then that is a tremendous lift to Pac Man's legacy. Floyd could stay retired, take no chances and protect his legacy. He's already got tons of money. But yet he gets no credit at all for coming out of retirement to take on guys that are calling him out when he has everything to lose and nothing to gain, legacy wise? Why can't there be an article around here that gives Floyd some credit for taking a chance, not ducking guys who are calling him out and providing those guys who are calling him out with the opportunity to become legendary (if they can beat him) and also providing those guys with what is likely to be the biggest pay day of their careers?

If I thought someone else would have posted this, I would have gladly left it to them.

But the reality is that it's not my opinion that he's only in it for the payday. Did you watch the interview? He says it himself. He's all about the money. It's not my opinion, it's HIS opinion.


I'm sorry, but when a guy says that he doesn't care who is the pound for pound best, then I have a hard time believing that he's just coming back as a favor to other fighters. I'm just not buying it.

5/20/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

Pat wrote:
You missed one very important point.

Floyd is in it for the pay days. No more, no less. Don't try to make him out to be some sort of saint just because his opponents make money off fighting him. Money doesn't care about that at all.
(Edited by BluDevil)

Says you, the guy who admits that he does not know enough about boxing to name guys that Floyd has supposedly dodged. I guess we can add "mind reader" to your credits since you obviously know exactly what is going on in Floyd's mind and what he cares about or does not care about.

In public, Ali was much the same way as Floyd appears to be now. He called Frazier a gorilla, among other things, just as an example. But years later it was revealed that in private, away from the cameras and hype that Ali gave Frazier a fight because he knew Joe needed the money. So you can base your opinion on what Floyd does and says in public if you like. He is, after all, a master promoter and if a lot of people hate him they are likely to pay to watch him because they want to see him lose just like his fans will pay to watch him because they want to see him win. But just because he seems to only care about money with his public persona, you nor I nor anyone else around here knows what he is really like in private or what he really cares about.

I get the sense that he really cares about proving he is the best, which is why he's coming out of retirement to fight guys who are calling him out when he could easily stay retired and protect his legacy. But instead he's coming out to fight and yeah, he'll get paid, but he'll also get to prove that not only is he the best of his generation but he might be the best of all time. To me, that's what I see as Floyd's real motivation, not just the money.

5/20/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

Pat wrote:
I don't know enough about boxing to come up with names, but I DO know that he fought De La Hoya wayyyyyy past Oscar's prime.

Pat,  you seem like a nice, likeable guy and I know you do a lot for the community around here. So I'm sure you'll be mad at what I have to say, but I feel it needs to be said.

You just pointed out that you don't know enough about boxing to come up with names of guys that Floyd has dodged. Yet you take it upon yourself to write this article that basically attempts to paint Floyd as a money grubbing, delusional no talent hack who doesn't deserve to get in the ring with Pac Man.

Since you don't know a lot about boxing and you are willing to admit that, then why don't you leave the articles that are trying to really examine boxing to people who do know a lot about the sport? Just something to think about.

Floyd is a tremendous fighter and he makes excellent points that Pac Man needs him more than he needs Pac Man. Floyd already has an established legacy that isn't going to be *that* much greater if he beats Pac Man. But if Pac Man becomes the only man to defeat Floyd? Then that is a tremendous lift to Pac Man's legacy. Floyd could stay retired, take no chances and protect his legacy. He's already got tons of money. But yet he gets no credit at all for coming out of retirement to take on guys that are calling him out when he has everything to lose and nothing to gain, legacy wise? Why can't there be an article around here that gives Floyd some credit for taking a chance, not ducking guys who are calling him out and providing those guys who are calling him out with the opportunity to become legendary (if they can beat him) and also providing those guys with what is likely to be the biggest pay day of their careers?

5/20/09   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

BluDevil wrote:

Floyd is coming out of retirement to fight guys who have been CALLING HIM OUT. Floyd's not walking around, being quoted saying "Man, I really want to fight so and so". How is Floyd the embodiement of what people hate about sports when he's coming back to fight guys who want to fight him?

Not to mention, but a lot of times when a guy takes a fight he's doing that to get the other fighter some pub and a pay day too. Ali did that with Joe Frazier, for example. You think JMM isn't happy that he's gonna get paid more than he could for virtually any other fight because he's fighting Floyd? You think Pac Man won't be happy when he gets a HUGE payday to fight Floyd? These fights wouldn't happen without Floyd, so guys like JMM and Pac Man wouldn't be getting paid huge were it not for Floyd. Floyd is doing these guys a favor by coming back to the sport. Yeah, he's gonna make some money but so are the guys who are stepping into the ring with him.

And he's gonna destroy these guys. He's the best fighter of his generation and will eventually be recgonized as one of the best fighters of all time.

You missed one very important point.

Floyd is in it for the pay days. No more, no less. Don't try to make him out to be some sort of saint just because his opponents make money off fighting him. Money doesn't care about that at all.

5/20/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

Floyd is coming out of retirement to fight guys who have been CALLING HIM OUT. Floyd's not walking around, being quoted saying "Man, I really want to fight so and so". How is Floyd the embodiement of what people hate about sports when he's coming back to fight guys who want to fight him?

Not to mention, but a lot of times when a guy takes a fight he's doing that to get the other fighter some pub and a pay day too. Ali did that with Joe Frazier, for example. You think JMM isn't happy that he's gonna get paid more than he could for virtually any other fight because he's fighting Floyd? You think Pac Man won't be happy when he gets a HUGE payday to fight Floyd? These fights wouldn't happen without Floyd, so guys like JMM and Pac Man wouldn't be getting paid huge were it not for Floyd. Floyd is doing these guys a favor by coming back to the sport. Yeah, he's gonna make some money but so are the guys who are stepping into the ring with him.

And he's gonna destroy these guys. He's the best fighter of his generation and will eventually be recgonized as one of the best fighters of all time.

5/20/09   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

BluDevil wrote:
BS. Floyd fought everyone, including De La Hoya. Name some names of who he dodged, don't just make a blanket statment with no facts please.

I don't know enough about boxing to come up with names, but I DO know that he fought De La Hoya wayyyyyy past Oscar's prime.

5/20/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

100%InjuryRate wrote:
Mayweather is scared s***less. He'll probably do everything possible to avoid fighting Pacquiao, just like how he dodged multiple legit challenges when he was champ.

BS. Floyd fought everyone, including De La Hoya. Name some names of who he dodged, don't just make a blanket statment with no facts please.

5/20/09   |   Murph   |   4 respect

Pat wrote:
That's the most overrated saying ever. It's simply not true. Especially in boxing, when there are a million other factors that go into it. Like Mayweather's retirement, the difference in weight classes, the quality of recent opponents, etc.
(Edited by Murph)

Well in that case...every weight class that Floyd has been in he has never lost in it. P4P Floyd is the best boxer in the world and he will be until someone beats him. If you look at the list of top 5 P4P fighters in the world, they all have a blemish in their record which shows a flaw. Now either Floyd has no flaws or his flaws have yet to be exposed. Which one is it?

5/20/09   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

Mayweather is scared s***less. He'll probably do everything possible to avoid fighting Pacquiao, just like how he dodged multiple legit challenges when he was champ.

5/20/09   |   taylordanley   |   6 respect

floyd has been training ever since he retired. basically, the only reason he retired is his hands were literally falling apart. it has nothing to do with his skills, technique, or drive and determination to win. floyd is fun to watch and a great boxer. he will come out and make this match happen. recent opponants? floyd went out on hatton and de la hoya, two recent defeats of pacman. this is begging for a match.. he'll revive his career from the graves of all those doubting him so beware.

5/20/09   |   truely   |   77 respect

i agree with mayweather  if the two meet  i say floyd  hes not a sitting target

5/20/09   |   drn0iswatr   |   731 respect

Pat wrote:
That's the most overrated saying ever. It's simply not true. Especially in boxing, when there are a million other factors that go into it. Like Mayweather's retirement, the difference in weight classes, the quality of recent opponents, etc.

 not to mention how some of it depends on your manager and who actually gets the shot at fighting - there could be some great boxers out there that won't even get a shot. 

5/20/09   |   Reef PIE   |   1 respect

lol, i hate this guy cause he's too cocky.....but he makes this sport fun to watch

5/20/09   |   Pat   |   5234 respect

Murph wrote:
To be the best you gotta beat the best......Mayweather is undefeated. Nuff said!

That's the most overrated saying ever. It's simply not true. Especially in boxing, when there are a million other factors that go into it. Like Mayweather's retirement, the difference in weight classes, the quality of recent opponents, etc.

5/20/09   |   Murph   |   4 respect

To be the best you gotta beat the best......Mayweather is undefeated. Nuff said!