Video-Hockey Fight of the Day: Sidney Crosby, Pittsburgh Penguins vs Brett McLean, Florida Panthers - YouTube | NHL | Pittsburgh Penguins

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I love when people try to act like fights or brawls have rules. Gimme a break. This is the NHL, not boxing or MMA. You can't even sit here and pretend to know about what brought this on. Did something happen on the prior shift? The last period? Hell, maybe even the last time they played? You don't know and neither do I, but it's entirely possible something took place that made him handle it like this. I'm not saying that was the best way to go about it, but why is he fighting anyways, not to make friends.

Sorry to hear you think it's disgracing the game. Marty McSorley probably agrees with you. I mean, this is pretty similar to slashing someone in the side of the head to start a fight, right?

1/3/09

5	There are unwritten rules in hockey. Crosby is going to get left out to dry by his enforcer if he keeps up the punk act. Leaving the obvious bias out of this, both people defending him are Penguins fans, what he did was cheap. I wait for the day he runs into one of the men he gave the cheap shots to. Anger or not, there is a right way to go about it and not look like a petulant child.

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Yep, it's the obvious bias. I can play that card also, since the complaints are coming from mostly Detroit fans. Remember the team that beat them last year for the cup. I understand the unwritten rules and what not but lets get real for a minute. There are unwritten rules to everything and those are constantly being broken by anyone trying to get an edge. I find it comical when people try to act like it's a disgrace when someone breaks the "unwritten code." As I stated earlier I think there were better ways to handle this, but come on. What did you really expect. It's not like he's been training with Tie Domi.

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2	u ever herd of getting cot up in the moment? and unwritten rules only go so far, he could have been majorly insolted for good reasons. and u cant tell me that, if u play hockey, uve never done something the same without lieing. plus its only a matter of time before crosby seriously pisses off someone and he gets hurt. but thats his problem.

1/3/09

michaelellington

3	detroit sucks

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2	i agree!!!

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2	ya, he shouldnt have, but he did!! he made a mistake omfg were all gonna die!!! maybe he had a different plan but it didnt work, u have no clue about the situation so lay off!!

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im_not_sugar_im_splenda wrote:

ya, he shouldnt have, but he did!! he made a mistake omfg were all gonna die!!! maybe he had a different plan but it didnt work, u have no clue about the situation so lay off!!

The site is for discussion, most of us are discussing it. I am a Blackhawks fan, have played hockey and hate Detroit as much as anyone. Sidney Crosby is a prima donna that will get his in the end. As far as laying off, not going to happen. I will continue to disagree that what he did was right, it was a punk move. Can't wait for Pittsburgh to play Calgary, he tries that with Iginla on the faceoff he will get it handed to him, but I seriously doubt Crosby has the stones.

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raptrbreth wrote:

The site is for discussion, most of us are discussing it. I am a Blackhawks fan, have played hockey and hate Detroit as much as anyone. Sidney Crosby is a prima donna that will get his in the end. As far as laying off, not going to happen. I will continue to disagree that what he did was right, it was a punk move. Can't wait for Pittsburgh to play Calgary, he tries that with Iginla on the faceoff he will get it handed to him, but I seriously doubt Crosby has the stones.

im discussing, its just in a very mad way

and im sure that from now on crosby will fight not stupidly, so iginla can deal with that.

1/4/09

MarkTheShark

3	im_not_sugar_im_splenda wrote: im discussing, its just in a very mad way and im sure that from now on crosby will fight not stupidly, so iginla can deal with that. Iginla would pound the crap out of Crosby

1/4/09

soupz6

2	I think they should all just get along

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Crosby is easily the biggest punk in the league, and he knows that being the NHL's poster boy, he can get away with anything without fearing suspensions or even a little bit of trashing from the media. If anyone touches him, a penalty is called. If there is anything that could be considered dirty against him, there is a guaranteed suspension. He is basically untouchable, and he knows it.

There are many things wrong with this Crosby "fight"

Instigated a fight with a VISOR on. One of the biggest p**s moves and there are even rules against it now (thankfully called correctly on the ice).
I'm not even sure why the other guy got 5 minutes for fighting- he was defenseless and didn't throw a single punch. It should have been a 2 minute 5-on-3 for Florida followed by 3 minutes of "major" penalty time.
Cheap shots. That "fight" was nothing but cheap shots. The Florida player had his head down to take the face-off and didn't see Crosby come at him. He continued to pummel the Panther with his jersey over his face (which happened at the start), then when he was on the ice, pulled him up and took more shots at him.
The announcers. Take your Penguins flavored glasses off for one second and realize this kid is a disgrace to the game. You don't have to call him out nesessarily, but don't give him credit for a great fight and for trying to get his team back in it by ambushing a defenseless player with his head down.

His actions are worthy of a suspension, no doubt, but he will obviously recieve nothing; not even a warning. He has already taken liberties on a defenseless player more than once in the past few weeks. He has shown time and time again that he will not show any attempt to regard the safety of others, and if he wasn't such a p**s, he could easily hurt someone.
Crosby's only "fights" (except for his first one which was sort of a fight but legal at least) are in which he recieves fighting majors for attacking a defenseless player by ambushing them or punching them from behind (to the head, even) when another player is holding him down.

Great article Pat, I think you should watch hockey more, it seems like you already know what you're talking about and your post is spot on

1/4/09

5	I am really starting to see why you all hate him so much; however, I still wouldn't mind him on the Kings. FYI----Saying Crosby is the biggest "punk" in the league is stretching a bit. There are a lot of other players I would put before him========PRONGER, PRONGER, FOOTE, OTT, ect...

1/4/09

MarkTheShark

5	kteacher wrote: I am really starting to see why you all hate him so much; however, I still wouldn't mind him on the Kings. FYI----Saying Crosby is the biggest "punk" in the league is stretching a bit. There are a lot of other players I would put before him========PRONGER, PRONGER, FOOTE, OTT, ect... you forgot Pronger

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2	MarkTheShark wrote: you forgot Pronger Yeah I knew I should have typed him in again. lol Hey it is my job to remind you Eastern Conference fans that there are other punks in the league beside Crosby.

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kteacher wrote:

I am really starting to see why you all hate him so much; however, I still wouldn't mind him on the Kings.

FYI----Saying Crosby is the biggest "punk" in the league is stretching a bit. There are a lot of other players I would put before him========PRONGER, PRONGER, FOOTE, OTT, ect...

I hate him but I wouldn't mind him on my team because he is a skilled player who can put up points. Who's going to argue that?

That being said, he is indeed the biggest punk in the league. Punk doesn't equate to dirtiest player. Cindy is the biggest punk because he has shown to consistently cheap-shot defenseless players while NOT playing physically or tough otherwise. I wouldn't have as much of a problem if he DIDN'T wear a VISOR, regularly FOUGHT LEGIT fights, and overall played a TOUGH, hard-nosed game. Instead, he looks for the most vulnerable target and attacks them in their weakest position and chooses not to fight when the other player is aware and willing to take him one-on-one.

These two videos are just blatant examples of Crosby's punk nature. He contiually takes cheap shots and retalliation shots at players during every game. If you get to see him play, watch him closely and hope that your broadcast shows after-the-play replays which confirm that he does take cheap-shots on a regular basis.

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nyrangers wrote:

I hate him but I wouldn't mind him on my team because he is a skilled player who can put up points. Who's going to argue that?

That being said, he is indeed the biggest punk in the league. Punk doesn't equate to dirtiest player. Cindy is the biggest punk because he has shown to consistently cheap-shot defenseless players while NOT playing physically or tough otherwise. I wouldn't have as much of a problem if he DIDN'T wear a VISOR, regularly FOUGHT LEGIT fights, and overall played a TOUGH, hard-nosed game. Instead, he looks for the most vulnerable target and attacks them in their weakest position and chooses not to fight when the other player is aware and willing to take him one-on-one.

These two videos are just blatant examples of Crosby's punk nature. He contiually takes cheap shots and retalliation shots at players during every game. If you get to see him play, watch him closely and hope that your broadcast shows after-the-play replays which confirm that he does take cheap-shots on a regular basis.

I am watching him closer---------thanks to you, and I still say there are bigger punks/dirty players (to me these two terms go together and you can't tell me differently. lol

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kteacher wrote:

I am watching him closer---------thanks to you, and I still say there are bigger punks/dirty players (to me these two terms go together and you can't tell me differently. lol

Fair enough, but I think there is a big difference between "punk" and "a-hole" like the players you mentioned before.

Crosby is just punktastic. Always has to throw a little shot to someone who isn't aware or expecting it, then cry to the refs why there was no penalty called when he breaks a nail slapping somebody in the crotch who is being held down by another player.

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(Edited by LA_dodgers_fan)

Ok here's the deal. I get you don't like him, but it's ridiculous that you continue to think he's a disgrace to the game.

Pittsburgh Penguins' franchise record for assists in a season by a rookie (63)
Pittsburgh Penguins' franchise record for points in a season by a rookie (102)
First rookie to record 100 points and 100 penalty minutes in a season
Youngest player in NHL history to record 100 points in a season
Youngest player in NHL history to record 200 career points (19 years and 207 days)
Youngest player in NHL history to have 2 consecutive 100 point seasons.
Youngest player to be voted to the NHL All-Star Game
Youngest player in NHL history to win the Art Ross Trophy
Youngest player in NHL history to win the Lester B. Pearson Award
Youngest player in NHL history to be named to the First All-Star Team
Youngest player in NHL history to be named a full team captain

Award	Year(s)
Art Ross Trophy (Most points in the regular season)	2007
Lester B. Pearson Award (Best player as voted by his peers)	2007
Hart Memorial Trophy (Most valuable player in the NHL)	2007
NHL First All-Star Team	2007
NHL All-Rookie Team	2006
Rookie of the Month	October 2005
All-Star Game	2007, 2008
Mark Messier Leadership Award	Jan. 2007

Not even 4 full years in the league and already has this resume. Ya, and a few cheap shots. You're right, what a disgrace. Get a clue.

1/4/09

2	i think that fight was pretty terrible, it shouldn't have happened like that. but crosby is still an amazing player. something will happen soon and i bet in less than 5 years he wont be doing this kinda thing.

1/4/09

sportsfreak008

2	(Edited by sportsfreak008) I was just watching TSN and Boynton decided to add his two cents to this. that “You don’t jump a guy while his head’s down taking a faceoff,” Boynton said. “That’s pretty immature and childish.

1/4/09

2	soupz6 wrote: I think they should all just get along who should get along? the players? NEVER!! that would suck!!! "yes i did hook u, i'll go to the box now" or "ya i dont know if that was a goal either, lets just sit and wait quietly till the reffs decide!!" barfs i would not watch that, EVER!!!

1/4/09

soupz6

2	im_not_sugar_im_splenda wrote: who should get along? the players? NEVER!! that would suck!!! "yes i did hook u, i'll go to the box now" or "ya i dont know if that was a goal either, lets just sit and wait quietly till the reffs decide!!" barfs i would not watch that, EVER!!! yes...that was the joke

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2	soupz6 wrote: yes...that was the joke ok, good

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LA_dodgers_fan wrote:

Ok here's the deal. I get you don't like him, but it's ridiculous that you continue to think he's a disgrace to the game.

Pittsburgh Penguins' franchise record for assists in a season by a rookie (63)
Pittsburgh Penguins' franchise record for points in a season by a rookie (102)
First rookie to record 100 points and 100 penalty minutes in a season
Youngest player in NHL history to record 100 points in a season
Youngest player in NHL history to record 200 career points (19 years and 207 days)
Youngest player in NHL history to have 2 consecutive 100 point seasons.
Youngest player to be voted to the NHL All-Star Game
Youngest player in NHL history to win the Art Ross Trophy
Youngest player in NHL history to win the Lester B. Pearson Award
Youngest player in NHL history to be named to the First All-Star Team
Youngest player in NHL history to be named a full team captain

Award	Year(s)
Art Ross Trophy (Most points in the regular season)	2007
Lester B. Pearson Award (Best player as voted by his peers)	2007
Hart Memorial Trophy (Most valuable player in the NHL)	2007
NHL First All-Star Team	2007
NHL All-Rookie Team	2006
Rookie of the Month	October 2005
All-Star Game	2007, 2008
Mark Messier Leadership Award	Jan. 2007

Not even 4 full years in the league and already has this resume. Ya, and a few cheap shots. You're right, what a disgrace. Get a clue.

We get it. He is a very talented and young player. That is very hard to argue, and I won't, because he is a good hockey player. But anybody he does what he does is a disgrace to the game. Who gives a crap about what records and awards he holds? That's not the issue here AT ALL

I see you are a Pens fan. It's pointless arguing with you. You and all of Pittsburgh thinks he can do no wrong

1/4/09

soupz6

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nyrangers wrote:

We get it. He is a very talented and young player. That is very hard to argue, and I won't, because he is a good hockey player. But anybody he does what he does is a disgrace to the game. Who gives a crap about what records and awards he holds? That's not the issue here AT ALL

I see you are a Pens fan. It's pointless arguing with you. You and all of Pittsburgh thinks he can do no wrong

Whoooa hold on, don't throw the rest of us under that bus. If a player is a cheap, dirty, punk then he's a cheap, dirty, punk...regardless of his colors. Hockey is my least watched sport of 5, so granted my opinion might not hold as much weight as others, but I'm definitely not proud of what I see in these videos here. However I'm not sure whether to buy the Crosby-bashing completely because I seem to hear the same thing about Hines Ward (only takes cheap shots at people, won't hit someone face to face) which is an absolutely absurd thing to say about him.

1/4/09

retirednuke

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LA_dodgers_fan wrote:

Ok here's the deal. I get you don't like him, but it's ridiculous that you continue to think he's a disgrace to the game.

Pittsburgh Penguins' franchise record for assists in a season by a rookie (63)
Pittsburgh Penguins' franchise record for points in a season by a rookie (102)
First rookie to record 100 points and 100 penalty minutes in a season
Youngest player in NHL history to record 100 points in a season
Youngest player in NHL history to record 200 career points (19 years and 207 days)
Youngest player in NHL history to have 2 consecutive 100 point seasons.
Youngest player to be voted to the NHL All-Star Game
Youngest player in NHL history to win the Art Ross Trophy
Youngest player in NHL history to win the Lester B. Pearson Award
Youngest player in NHL history to be named to the First All-Star Team
Youngest player in NHL history to be named a full team captain

Award	Year(s)
Art Ross Trophy (Most points in the regular season)	2007
Lester B. Pearson Award (Best player as voted by his peers)	2007
Hart Memorial Trophy (Most valuable player in the NHL)	2007
NHL First All-Star Team	2007
NHL All-Rookie Team	2006
Rookie of the Month	October 2005
All-Star Game	2007, 2008
Mark Messier Leadership Award	Jan. 2007

Not even 4 full years in the league and already has this resume. Ya, and a few cheap shots. You're right, what a disgrace. Get a clue.

That's all very nice...but taking cheap shots and his inability to follow the unwritten rules of hockey wipe all of that away in my opinion.

1/4/09

2	retirednuke wrote: That's all very nice...but taking cheap shots and his inability to follow the unwritten rules of hockey wipe all of that away in my opinion. omfg, he takes cheap shots!! he'll learn, im not saying that fight was right, it was pretty bad. plus the unwritten rules only go so far.

1/4/09

gobigblue1960

5	How many guys in the history of the NHL could be called a "punk", and at the same time produce goals, points, and assists like Crosby does every year?I hanve watched very few Pens games, but saw nothing durinh the Stanley Cup Finals to agree with the naysayers..i'll take the kid on the Wings anytime...and take another Cup with it.!!

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gobigblue1960 wrote:

How many guys in the history of the NHL could be called a "punk", and at the same time produce goals, points, and assists like Crosby does every year?I hanve watched very few Pens games, but saw nothing durinh the Stanley Cup Finals to agree with the naysayers..i'll take the kid on the Wings anytime...and take another Cup with it.!!

Thank you, at least somebody can see the truth.

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LA_dodgers_fan wrote:

Thank you, at least somebody can see the truth.

The truth? Are you sure you don't mean your biased opinion?

He is a very good player. He puts up points. That has nothing to do with his class, his respect for others, or how he acts on the ice

I would love him on my team because he would help them win. But I wouldn't deny the fact that he plays dirty, does many questionable things on the ice that are deserving of a beating, and needs to show a little more respect

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nyrangers wrote:

The truth? Are you sure you don't mean your biased opinion?

He is a very good player. He puts up points. That has nothing to do with his class, his respect for others, or how he acts on the ice

I would love him on my team because he would help them win. But I wouldn't deny the fact that he plays dirty, does many questionable things on the ice that are deserving of a beating, and needs to show a little more respect

Just a question----------------Do NHL players think Crosby is dirty, ect..? I know many don't like to talk about a fellow peer, but words and beefs get out into the public and something is usually said. It looks like he is liked on his team, and by other NHLers in the league. I haven't heard a lot of complaining outside of Atlantic Division fans.

1/5/09

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gobigblue1960 wrote:

How many guys in the history of the NHL could be called a "punk", and at the same time produce goals, points, and assists like Crosby does every year?I hanve watched very few Pens games, but saw nothing durinh the Stanley Cup Finals to agree with the naysayers..i'll take the kid on the Wings anytime...and take another Cup with it.!!

We'll just use his owner as an example. Lemieux was a much better player and was not afraid to mix it up. Current players, I would take Ovechkin or Iginla over Crosby anyday of the week, heck Crosby is not even the best player on his team. Both of them are better players and play the game right. Neither will back down in a fair fight. Other than the bias of Pittsburgh fans, I would be interested to know why anyone would want Crosby over the other two I mentioned.

KTeacher I am with you out West, albeit Central Division. I think too many in the discussion let their bias leak in too much. I know one of the Washinton Capitals, not Ovechkin, let his feelings be known. Alex Semin said that he would rate Patrick Kane over Crosby, given it is just one player. http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/michael_farber/12/22/five.things.nhl/index.html

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nyrangers wrote:

The truth? Are you sure you don't mean your biased opinion?

He is a very good player. He puts up points. That has nothing to do with his class, his respect for others, or how he acts on the ice

I would love him on my team because he would help them win. But I wouldn't deny the fact that he plays dirty, does many questionable things on the ice that are deserving of a beating, and needs to show a little more respect

If you would have read any of my ~~biased opinions~~ posts you would see that I am not trying to stick up for him as much as I dispute the fact that he is being labeled a disgrace to the game. Players like Chris Simon and Sean Avery are a disgrace to the game. Guys who have made a career out of cheap shots are disgraces. There is no doubt that fight was dirty, as well as some of his other moves. However, you can't sit here for a second and say that's what Sid has built his career on so how could he be a disgrace to the game? I've never seen a disgrace to the game win the Pearson Award, the trophy voted on by the players. You know, the same trophy Iginla and Ovechkin have won. You can call me bias all you want, facts are still facts, and if you look at his body of work the clean play far outweighs the dirty.

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LA_dodgers_fan wrote:

If you would have read any of my ~~biased opinions~~ posts you would see that I am not trying to stick up for him as much as I dispute the fact that he is being labeled a disgrace to the game. Players like Chris Simon and Sean Avery are a disgrace to the game. Guys who have made a career out of cheap shots are disgraces. There is no doubt that fight was dirty, as well as some of his other moves. However, you can't sit here for a second and say that's what Sid has built his career on so how could he be a disgrace to the game? I've never seen a disgrace to the game win the Pearson Award, the trophy voted on by the players. You know, the same trophy Iginla and Ovechkin have won. You can call me bias all you want, facts are still facts, and if you look at his body of work the clean play far outweighs the dirty.

The Pearson Award is voted on by the COACHES and GMs as the MOST DIFFICULT PLAYER TO PLAY AGAINST. This is based purely on skill and ability. Most cheap-shot artists don't posess the skill Crosby has. Crosby is a unique brand in that he is very skillful but plays very dirty as well.

On a side note, did you just allude to Sean Avery making a career out of CHEAP SHOTS? Call him a pest, annoying, a douchebag, but he has NEVER made a dirty hit or taken a cheap shot. A disgrace to the game? On the ice, no, he uses different, LEGAL strategies that do not put a player's safety at risk. Off the ice, yea, he is a d-bag and is a bit disgraceful. At least he apologized. Yea this isn't on topic but I feel like Avery gets misrepresented by the media and gets unfair treatment.

Also, I see that "disgrace to the game" is a bit of an overstatement. He is not a disgrace, but he is classless and disrespectful and will never have true respect within the league until he cleans up his act and realizes that just because he can get away with things doesn't mean he should do them

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nyrangers wrote:

The Pearson Award is voted on by the COACHES and GMs as the MOST DIFFICULT PLAYER TO PLAY AGAINST. This is based purely on skill and ability. Most cheap-shot artists don't posess the skill Crosby has. Crosby is a unique brand in that he is very skillful but plays very dirty as well.

On a side note, did you just allude to Sean Avery making a career out of CHEAP SHOTS? Call him a pest, annoying, a douchebag, but he has NEVER made a dirty hit or taken a cheap shot. A disgrace to the game? On the ice, no, he uses different, LEGAL strategies that do not put a player's safety at risk. Off the ice, yea, he is a d-bag and is a bit disgraceful. At least he apologized. Yea this isn't on topic but I feel like Avery gets misrepresented by the media and gets unfair treatment.

Also, I see that "disgrace to the game" is a bit of an overstatement. He is not a disgrace, but he is classless and disrespectful and will never have true respect within the league until he cleans up his act and realizes that just because he can get away with things doesn't mean he should do them

Sorry, the Pearson is voted on by members of the NHLPA, none of which are coaches or GM's. Also, Sean Avery isn't cheap, ya right. That's why they had to rewrite the official rules because of his play in front of the net. You know, because he was breaking those unwritten rules that you so highly regard. Breaking them to the point that official action had to be taken. No, he's not cheap and I'm biased, wait, didn't Avery just play with the Rangers?

You know, this has gotten a bit off topic and I agree that the play has been cheap as of late. But to label him as a disgrace to the game is ridiculous, that's all I'm trying to defend.

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LA_dodgers_fan wrote:

Sorry, the Pearson is voted on by members of the NHLPA, none of which are coaches or GM's. Also, Sean Avery isn't cheap, ya right. That's why they had to rewrite the official rules because of his play in front of the net. You know, because he was breaking those unwritten rules that you so highly regard. Breaking them to the point that official action had to be taken. No, he's not cheap and I'm biased, wait, didn't Avery just play with the Rangers?

You know, this has gotten a bit off topic and I agree that the play has been cheap as of late. But to label him as a disgrace to the game is ridiculous, that's all I'm trying to defend.

Alright, I mixed up the way the Pearson is voted upon. It doesn't matter because like I said, it's foolish to deny Crosby's skill and the players voted on who was the most difficult player to play against, not which player you like the most or would like to have a beer with.

Why would I be biased towards Avery, he left the Rangers, after saying that he "bleeds Ranger blue," for more money.
How is what Avery did "cheap"? There is no rule against it and it has never been attempted. I'm sure nobody ever thought of anything like it. He created a new screening technique that was very effective. It's entirely brilliant, and denying that is naive. You still missed the point that he doesn't play dirty or take cheap shots. He might be a douche, but dirty is probably the worst word to describe him.

1/5/09

1	ok, one of u guys sayd crosby wasnt the best player on his team, so who might that be, the best player on his team? just out of curiosity. and i think that crosby did do some cheap shots, but disgrace is a bit strong. hes a good player, otherwise.

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nyrangers wrote:

Alright, I mixed up the way the Pearson is voted upon. It doesn't matter because like I said, it's foolish to deny Crosby's skill and the players voted on who was the most difficult player to play against, not which player you like the most or would like to have a beer with.

Why would I be biased towards Avery, he left the Rangers, after saying that he "bleeds Ranger blue," for more money.
How is what Avery did "cheap"? There is no rule against it and it has never been attempted. I'm sure nobody ever thought of anything like it. He created a new screening technique that was very effective. It's entirely brilliant, and denying that is naive. You still missed the point that he doesn't play dirty or take cheap shots. He might be a douche, but dirty is probably the worst word to describe him.

How is it cheap??? He broke one of your sacred "unwritten rules." You're so big on those and player perception. After all, that is your argument against Crosby. Now you're here trying to tell me Sean Avery isn't cheap but Crosby is. You know, the bias card isn't really working and in the end, you seem to be the one who it's pointless to argue with.
Your post from earlier
"But I wouldn't deny the fact that he plays dirty"
Your post from before that
"That being said, he is indeed the biggest punk in the league. Punk doesn't equate to dirtiest player."
Your post from even before that
"I think there is a big difference between "punk" and "a-hole"
So he's a punk, but that doesn't equate to dirty play, but he plays dirty and is classless, but that doesn't make him a punk......and Pens fans, they're biased......and.......and.....and he's just a disgrace.
You're right, this has become pointless to me.

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LA_dodgers_fan wrote:

How is it cheap??? He broke one of your sacred "unwritten rules." You're so big on those and player perception. After all, that is your argument against Crosby. Now you're here trying to tell me Sean Avery isn't cheap but Crosby is. You know, the bias card isn't really working and in the end, you seem to be the one who it's pointless to argue with.
Your post from earlier
"But I wouldn't deny the fact that he plays dirty"
Your post from before that
"That being said, he is indeed the biggest punk in the league. Punk doesn't equate to dirtiest player."
Your post from even before that
"I think there is a big difference between "punk" and "a-hole"
So he's a punk, but that doesn't equate to dirty play, but he plays dirty and is classless, but that doesn't make him a punk......and Pens fans, they're biased......and.......and.....and he's just a disgrace.
You're right, this has become pointless to me.

You have trouble reading, no?

"He broke one of your sacred "unwritten rules." You're so big on those and player perception. After all, that is your argument against Crosby"

Where did I say any of that? Find it, tell me where it is, send me a link, e-mail me, whatever

You are just twisting my words to make no sense at all. I suggested my idea for two different types of players: "a-holes" and "punks." I never clarified what defined each. An a-hole is more of a Pronger type- a person who takes runs at people and makes dirty hits, usually. A punk is a Crosby type- a person who doesn't play physical but still takes cheap shots at people, usually hiding when a tough oponent shows up. I never said that "punks" don't play dirty, just that dirty does not equal a "punk"

I also already admitted that calling him a disgrace was an overstatement, you obviously missed that.

1/5/09

0	Dive by Crosby in tonight's Rangers vs Pens game to draw a 5 on 3. Classy.

1/5/09

MarkTheShark

1	nyrangers wrote: Dive by Crosby in tonight's Rangers vs Pens game to draw a 5 on 3. Classy. No matter..Rangers lead

1/5/09

2	im_not_sugar_im_splenda wrote: ok, one of u guys sayd crosby wasnt the best player on his team, so who might that be, the best player on his team? just out of curiosity. and i think that crosby did do some cheap shots, but disgrace is a bit strong. hes a good player, otherwise. Malkin is a better player.

1/5/09

3	nyrangers wrote: Dive by Crosby in tonight's Rangers vs Pens game to draw a 5 on 3. Classy. Rick Nash does the same thing-------------so did Paul Kariya, Forsberg, I could go on and on...

1/5/09

lori2911316

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I totally agree with you about Sidney. I used to like him,until I found out what a BIG whining cry baby he is. He needs to grow up. He should of got a game misconduct,especially the way Brett's face hit the ice. I am a season ticket holder to an OHL hockey team,they would never put up with something like that. That player would get a game misconduct.Of all the fights I've ever seen, I have never seen anything so childish as that. I' ve watched Brett play against my team he is such a good player,he even knows better than that!!!!! Remember what he did to Zetterberg after the Wings won the Cup!!! Talk about immature, the Pens were just sore losers!!!!

1/6/09