The only reason this will get a ton of play is because Jr's fanbase is the most ridiculously stupid fanbase in all of sports.  That was a racing incident and Jr had just as much to do with it as Busch.  If you watch it slowly enough, Jr hit Busch before Busch ever moved to the right.

 

Edit: That characterization of the Jr fanbase may've been slightly unfair.

I'm going to disagree with you on this one. The angle from Clint Bowyer's car looks like Busch started to head right ever so slightly before he was ever touched by Jr.

Even if Busch hadn't ever so slightly moved right he still would have driven directly into Jr. You've got to be turning there, and Busch didn't do that. He kept going straight ahead. What makes it so bad - whether it was intentional or not - was that Busch clipped Jr. when Jr. was in a vulnerable position. And correct me if I'm wrong, but clipping people when they're in a vulnerable position isn't exactly kosher in NASCAR. Demolition derbies, yes. NASCAR, no.

The reason why he never really turned, at least from my perspective, is that Junior never gave him any room.  By the time he would've turned, they had already made contact.  I don't necessarily blame Jr or Busch for what happened.  They were both racing for the win, its just ridiculous that Busch will get ripped right and left for this all week.

I'm all for give and take between drivers but there comes a time when you have to throw protocol out the window and race for the win.  Anybody who watched that race knows that Jr's car was better on the top while Busch's was awesome on the bottom of the track.  Both drivers could be to blame because neither one gave the other any room going into the corner.  It just so happens that Jr was on the outside and when Busch's car slid up, Jr's car was right there to absorb the hit.  This accident was nothing but two drivers racing hard for the win.  Unfortunately, one driver happens to be the most popular guy in Nascar with a rabid fanbase while the other is an aggressive, hot shot driver who's style sometimes rubs fans and other drivers the wrong way.  That said, this is racing and the object is to win the race, not finish in 2nd.

 

The difference between this incident and the one in the Nationwide Race was that Steven Wallace and Kyle Busch werent racing for the win.  There was one lap left, both guys were destined to finish in the top 5 and Wallace basically just drove his car right into the back of Busch's and knocked him out of the way. 

 

 

If you look close at the replay, Kyle Busch doesn't just slide up the race track, you can see his wheels turn slightly into the 88 car and help it along. Kyle Busch is a punk and always will be a punk and he is very hypocritical. It seems like whenever there is an incident in NASCAR Kyle Busch is involved, I just think he needs to grow up. I know everyone wants to win every race but you can't take it out on other people if you can't win.

I agree, you know I am sick of this Jr. Fanbase. There is a reason why he has not won in 2 yrs plus. I have to say after what Jr. did last week to Gordon- Payback is a bitch.
Deal with it earnhart! can you say most overrated driver in Nascar? yet most popular?
I dont get it? Go JJohnson!!! A true back to back champion.

The bottom line is. Rubbing is racing. Jr fans need to get over it. Had it been the other way around. They would have been loving it.

No offense, but doesnt it speak volumes to you that a driver has to have extra security after the race, all because he had a run-in with Dale Earnhardt Jr.  I'm not attacking or chastising your fanbase but throwing debris on the track after the fact and flipping the guy the finger isnt exactly the norm for racing.  You are a racing fan, and even you would have to admit that Jr didnt exactly cut Busch any slack as they went side by side into the corner.  Like you said, it was short track racing at its best with two drivers driving balls to the wall with 3 laps left to try and get a win. 

The last lap of the Nationwide race wasn't for the win, but it's the same deal.  Kyle didn't like the fact someone bumped him out of the way, but he says after the Cup race that he'll wreck as many cars as it takes to win?  You can't tell me that isn't hypocrisy at its finest.  That's what made last night's incident even worse.  He didn't say anything about it being a racing incident, he tried to blame the 88 for the whole thing.  It's no wonder people hate him.  You don't like people running into you, but you can do it to them?  Please grow up, Shrub!

on one hand, i don't believe it was intentional. after the restart for hamlin (moronically) not getting off the track and then just letting his car sit out there waiting for nascar to throw the caution, busch was a little bit faster them jr's, and he had the preferred line. why then, would he intentionally wreck a car he's probably going to pass in the next 2 turns, and take the chance of wrecking himself as well?

 

on the other hand, it's a short track, there's 3 laps to go, and anything goes, so jr. shouldn't be so surprised (especially considering it's the trainwreck that is kyle busch)

 

but if the shoe's on the other foot, and it's jr. wrecking kyle for the win, all the jr fans would be on here screaming about how he's the greatest driver ever and any other driver would do the same thing.....if you really want to talk about hypocrites

I really hate when people say Jr. fans are hypocrites.  It annoys the living hell out of me.  I know I'm not the only one who feels that way too.  I've seen Jr. do stupid things before, and I'll admit when he's at fault, which he usually does too.  That's the difference.  If the shoe was on the other foot, I'd be happy he won, but at the same time I'd be admitting how my driver was a bonehead to wreck someone out for the win.  I'd rather see both drivers race it out instead of one getting punted into the wall, regardless of who it is...a la Kenseth & Burton at Dover a couple years ago, hard-fought battle to the end, but a clean battle and nothing but respect for the competition.  If Jr. would start wrecking people to win, he'd have quite a bit of explaining to do just as much as the next guy.  He just doesn't do it to people and blame it on everyone else like Kyle Busch.

you can definently tell that the editor of this article does not watch racing alot. what happened saturday night was a mistake, kyle's car got loose going into the turn... he had the pass on dale and jr just happened to be above him... its racing, sometimes it happens, how many times did dale sr do it?

I am a JR fan and one thing that drives me nuts is the group you get put in.  I am not a part of JR Nation.  I'm a race fan who loves JR and Stewart, just a race fan!!   I do know that JR  & Tony skrew up, heck they all do.  Last weekend when Tony's tire blew, I thought JR did it getting into Tony, until Tony said it was his tire.   (I talk to my drivers during the race, they don't answer back tho)  I was already fussing at JR.  Can't quote all I said on here, but I wasn't happy about it.  Both of my drivers are great to me, but they are not gods by any means, so are everyone else's drivers out there.  That is NASCAR.  I just get sick of being grouped with people that throw cans and crap on the track, those are just idiots.    Now I have been know to be a fan that will give the 1 finger salute, guilty as charged.  But to let ya know, other driver fans do the the same to any driver they feel the need to salute during a race.   This is needed during a race, I don't know why, but it is one of the 1st things you learn at the track. 

 

Thanks for listening, just wanted it known that we are not all nuts. 

Cosign cosign cosign!  I've gotten ticked off at every driver, Dale Jr included for stupidity.  But throwing the beer cans onto the track is pathetic.  I hate being compared to those people all the time.  I'm not a drunken redneck like those people who toss the beer cans.  I'm a college student who has watched NASCAR since DW was still winning races, and I've seen so many things over the years, both good and bad.  I'm from a major city of the US, a city boy in every sense, and I constantly get thrown into a category with drunken idiots at a racetrack because I like Dale Jr...ridiculous!

Yep!! 

I'm just 15 minutes from Bristol and talk with a bit of a twang.  LOL I'm in the middle of hickville.  I understood every word that Steven Wallace said in his interview Friday.  I know, that is bad.   I'm not a redneck, southern girl is what I use, not a tomboy, I love girly stuff.   So I do get a little upset when I get grouped in with all the nuts.  And every driver has some of those nuts as fans, not just JR.   Gordon had a bunch to start with, the driver hoppers, those that change their driver like they change out their closets. 

But as far as any fan throwing stuff or even letting their trash blow away from them at the track just gets on my nerves.  How many cautions do we have for a little plastic bag that someone just didn't stuff back in the cooler?! 

Forgive, me but I think if it were Jimmie Johnson or Jeff Gordon or particularly SMOKE that Kyle ran into, fan reaction would have been similar.  Maybe NOT throwing beer cans on the track, but certainly flippin' him the bird would have been a common sight. Kyle is a good driver, but his actions are not what we the fan want to see in the sport.  I think he is likely the least liked of the 43 drivers on the track.  Regardless of who he had run into, fan reaction would have been similar, In My Humble Opinion

Hey now!! I'm Canadian (as you well know sis) and I understood Steven Wallace just fine as well!

 

thats the right anwser. I am sick of junior nation. How many times do we have to hear about this issue. J

You are 100% right. What about the time in bristol that terry labonte passed dale sr clean and then Dale sr spun him into the wall. That was a cheap shot! I do not like Kyle or Junior that much. But it was an accident.  If that was anyone but Jr it we would not be talking this much about it. Jr nation grow up and stop crying.  He is your favorite driver, but he is not even close to the best driver in the sport.

You are 100% right. What about the time in bristol that terry labonte passed dale sr clean and then Dale sr spun him into the wall. That was a cheap shot! I do not like Kyle or Junior that much. But it was an accident.  If that was anyone but Jr it we would not be talking this much about it. Jr nation grow up and stop crying.  He is your favorite driver, but he is not even close to the best driver in the sport.

I was at that race in Bristol when Dale wrecked Terry also the year he sent him backwards across the finish line  (Dale was black flagged 3 times and made it back to the front each time, what a race!) and I was there the year that Jeff wrecked Rusty in turn 4 and took the win.  They all do it.  Most of the times it is a cheap shot, that's racin.  Back then I loved SR, liked Rusty, Ricky, Terry, Davey, Sterlin, DW, Mark, DJ, just like now.  I like a lot of drivers.  I have favorite drivers: JR & Tony, and like many other drivers out there.  I am a race fan, not Jr nation.

If Kyle Busch had wrecked anyone for the win we'd still be talking about it.  It's funny how you compare this to Dale Sr. wrecking Terry Labonte in 1999.  You're missing one key difference, their post-race interviews.  Shrub blamed Jr. for the accident while Dale Sr. said "I didn't mean to wreck him, I just wanted to rattle his cage a little."  Dale Sr. knew he was the cause of the wreck, Kyle Busch acted like he was the victim.

First off there is no comparison. Dale Sr deliberatly wrecked Terry. What happened between Kyle and Jr is something that is expected at a short track. Kyle and Jr were both racing hard. Jr already knew that Kyle likes driving his cars loose. So with that in mind he should have given Kyle more room instead of pinching him down low. Kyle had no where to go once his car got loose. Jr needs to realize that he was the one who pushed the issue by changing his racing line and coming down into Kyle's. Jr had been racing the top groove most of the night while Kyle was racing the bottom. In this instance Kyle was more the victim then Jr. Anyone that has been around racing for any amount of time should already know that when the rear end starts to come around. The only way to correct it is to counter steer. Which means turning your wheels the opposite way that your rear end is going. In kyles case he did the right thing by turning right. If not he would have looped the car. These guys get paid big bucks to drive these cars the way they are supposed to be driven. And that is as hard as they can. To go for the win. Its late in the race. Tempers flare. Patience is very low. Desperation sets in. Mistakes are made. Thats just the nature of the beast. Its not the first time that it has happened at it wont be the last.

Yeah, Kyle Busch likes his car loose, and he doesn't know how to control it.  I guess everyone is supposed to give him the whole racetrack and move out of his way because of his incompetence to control the car the way he likes to drive it.  That doesn't make any sense.  It's not the first time Shrub's lack of car control has caused a wreck, and it won't be the last.  Richmond was just the latest incident.  How about last year in The Winston (yes I still call it that) when he wrecked his brother, or last year at Texas where he was driving 150 mph into the smoke when Stewart spun off turn 4?  If he'd have a bit more control of what he was doing, he probably wouldn't cause as many wrecks as he does.

I just need to say this and I know some of you jr fans are not gonna like it. Jr and Kyle busch had an accident. Some people are so crazy they want to hurt kyle busch.. This is a sport!!! This is not war.. This does not matter!! If nascar thought Kyle was reckless they would have parked him. It was an accident. I am a Fan of Hendrick motorsports. As a fan of this great team, I think they made a big mistake.. They let the best driver go in Kyle Busch. Before anyone gets mad, I am a Jeff Gordon fan. I do not like Kyle Busch at all but he can drive. They let the best driver go to sign the most popular. Again Jeff Gordon is my Favorite driver, I do not think he is the best. Kyle Busch is the next big thing. Junior is a good driver but way over rated!!! Compare stats with junior and such top drivers as Johnson, Gordon, Stewart,kyle and kurt busch.  Becaucse someone is your favorite driver does not make them the best. I know I am never going to convince any of you. Dale sr great driver , but Jeff Gordon won more races in more than 200 starts less and he did not have the champions pit like Sr did all the time. I never liked dale sr but I knew he was a great driver.  I still miss seeing that black 3. I also miss Richard Petty, and Darrell Waltrip. Just because you like a driver does not mean there the best there just your favorite. I also am a fan of Kyle Petty he is not good but I like him as a human being. I realize as a gordon fan there are in my opinon at least 5 drivers better than him right now that still drive and they are. Tony Stewart, Jimmy Johnson, Kyle Busch, Denny Hamlin, Carl Edwards. There might be even more. So Junior nation support him all you want but don't scream and want to kill someone over a race.  Accidents happen and is there any of you out there that have never made a mistake?? I don't think so.  Hendrick motorsports let the most talented guy in our sport go for the most popular. If jr is so great in your minds how come he has'nt won a race in 2 years? If he was the best he would have won hes not and my favorite driver has won races in every full year in cup, and I know hes not the best anymore but he once was even dale sr thought jeff was the best one time.

Excuse people for supporting a driver.  I don't see where anybody here said Jr. is the greatest driver in NASCAR today.  Thanks for drawing conclusions and generalizing about people.  Mike Joy's comment last year in the Winston hit the nail on the head. "That's boy's got a lot of talent...if only he could harness it on a weekly basis."  He continues to push his car beyond its limits all the time, and no driver is going to move out of the way for him because he doesn't understand how to control his car.  Again, I haven't seen a single person make a comment in this article saying Dale Jr. is the best driver out there.  Thanks for running your mouth about something that was never said.

Not to be mean but lood at the top of this page. By time you read this posting Kyle Busch may be dead..  Is the title of this forum.  Jeff gordon has classy fans so does junior. Its the bad apples at talledega throwing beer cans at $250,000 car when he goes past sr on the wins list.  Some junior fans take things way to far sometimes.  I said sometimes.. Not all the time.  Gordon fans and jr fans are never going to see eye to eye. Thats just life.  

I guess you don't know anything about the guy who posted this article.  He always goes for the joking titles...obviously you can't see that.  We all know Kyle Busch wasn't gonna be killed, but you can't seem to be able to tell when someone is joking around.  You're correct that it's the bad apples that ruin the reputation of the rest of Jr Nation, but you're guilty of generalizing about all of his fans as well, pulling the opinion out of your a$$ that all Dale Earnhardt Jr. fans think he's in so many words) God's greatest creation, which was never said.

Never said JR was the best, I said "both my drivers are great to me" that would be Dale and Tony.  And for the record I don't think JJ is better than Gordon, Kyle isn't either.  Gordon is one of the best drivers out there.  Just my thoughts.  No one is going to hurt Kyle, unless Steven gets a hold of him again.   That's just people BSing or trash talking.  Why hasn't he won in 2 years, have no clue, but it bothers him more than anyone else.  I would hate to have to deal with it.  He just seems like a great guy, and I like him.  That's all I gotta say about it. 

Oh, one more thing, I go to Bristol with a Gordon fan and we have a blast. 

Just wanted to repeat juniors post race comment. " I don't need securtiy, Kyle Busch is gonna need it to get out of here". They just had a test  at Lowes and they had to increase security around Kyle.  Also Kyle has had death threats since sat. That is so sad. Trust me its not steve wallace fans making those threats. Its those fans that should not be allowed near a racetrack. I agree with every point you made!! I am sorry that I put you in with the Jack a$$ fans.  Your a junior fan that I would'nt mind sitting  next to at NHIS and Dover this year. Wish more junior fans were like you. That conduct yourself in a good manner. Thanks for your comments

I have sat next to some junior fans I wish I could forget but if all junior fans were like you, I would'nt mind sitting with them.

Yeah the police and nascar took those threats seriously. thats why they increased security @ lowes during this weeks test.  Not rude or anything but on the news someone robbed there own mother at knife point. There is some sickos that have hurt people for less than that.  I know that 99.99999999999% of people are not like that but one nut you never know. I am sure every driver has had them.

why did you pick Jr as your favorite driver? Were you a Dale sr fan? Junior got all of his fathers fans. Jeff earned his fans!! They were not his daddys friends. I think Jimmy is better right now than Jeff but do you know who owns the #48 car?  Look at the entry sheet. Its Jeff Gordon that owns it with Rick Hendrick.  So I am happy that jimmy does good. Jeff makes more when jimmys car does good.  I wish Jr would have come up with his own sprint cup team that would have raced from Jr motorsports. Then nascar would have had to make a rule change and have a Past Champions sons provisonal to make sure jr got into the races.  I really wish jr and jeff never became teammates but this will prove who is a better driver because they drive the same equipment.  Its going to be intresting

Listen to it again.  "Whether it was fair or not, he's gonna need security" is what JR said.   Not talking about Steven Wallace fans, talking about Steven Wallace, he won't take any of that crap from any driver.  Heck he is Rusty's kid, never saw Rusty take anything either.  He always gave as good as he got. 

Ok, I'm done after this one, Darlington is this weekend and I am so ready to move on, but you asked.  I'm not sure if you asked me, but I'm not afraid to answer ya.

Yes I know that Jeff has ownership in the 48, duh.

I picked JR when Dale was still alive.  I took a 3 year time off from Nascar, just didn't want to watch it.  I kept up with it, but it wasn't the same with him gone.

I already said JR seems like a great guy, I respect him, I think he is a good driver and it is my choice to do so.  Not trying to be rude or anything, but the "Past Champions Sons" thing is a little silly and goes back to what we are trying to get across.  I'm glad JR and Jeff are on the same team, Dale and Jeff had a good relationship and I hope JR and Jeff do as well.   I support JR and will support Tony in whatever they do.   I am reading this undertone in your words, sorry if I shouldn't be, but "daddy's friends" and not earning his own fans is not all true.   Take it as you want. 

What made you a Gordon fan, was it cause he came out balls to the walls or what?  There were some great drivers driving back then.  What was your reason to pick him?   Was it cause he wasn't a Good ole boy, he wasn't born into it. See it doesn't seem that nice when it is turned around does it.

 

Really not meaning to be a witch, but I do get so tired of the same old same old. 

Kyle Busch being "dead" came from DW on the broadcast speculating on Kyle having to look for an escape route if he "wanted to get out of this place alive" that's it. 

You know what i find funny about the whole issue? The continuous "bashing" because you stick by your driver. It would seem that some of the posters on here are happy chastizing you cause you like a certain driver. WHO GIVES A CR**!! So you don't like Jr.!! Fine! So you don't like Kyle! Fine!!! So you don't like Steven! Fine!!  Calling a fan a stupid Redneck, or an idiot does NOTHING but make you look like an A***!!! And guess what? Those guys are still racing. Why because THEY love Nascar, the sport. If they didn't love it, they'd have NO problem kickin' butt and goin' home...win or lose.

Now their ARE ignorant fans out there, maybe a lot of them. But that doesn't make ALL of us ignorant. That's like calling all football fans pervs because some guy ran across the field naked while you happened to be looking. I'm not a Redneck, nor did i throw a can onto the track...don't put me (A True Nascar fan) in that catagory.

True fans have loved the sport before Jr, before Kyle B., and before Steven Wallace were in it. And true fans will love the sport long after they are gone...but i guess that'll just give us different people to Bi*** about, huh?

I know i know...I'm in trouble for this one

How could you be in trouble for this one?

The voice of reason.  ((Hugs))  LOL

Yep, what she said!

Just curious, who exactly is this in response to?  If you're asking me how I picked Jr. as my favorite driver, you can get lost right now with those comments about "Junior got all of his fathers fans."  That's not entirely true.  I was a Dale Earnhardt fan, but when he died, I sort of hoped to see Harvick run well every week in his car, but I went through all of 2001 without a favorite driver, because he was my 2nd favorite driver to be killed and I felt like some sort of jinx.  I picked Jr. as my guy in 2002 when I started taking notice of how talented a driver he was, how he respected others, told the story like it is, took fault for his own actions, and proved he was capable of doing his own thing without being compared to his dad.  Unfortunately, the people who say Jr. is the most overrated driver in the sport are actually the ones who overrate him.  Any race fan with a brain knows that he is NOT his father, will NEVER BE his father, and they DON'T compare him to his father.  This is when I will defend what he's done so far by bringing up past champions who didn't get that first title right off the bat like Earnhardt did.  People really need to get off Dale Jr.'s back, the haters are the reason he can't step out of his father's shadow because they don't understand that he's an individual!

 

As for the idea of the death threats, those are probably the same morons that Jr. told (in so many words) to shut the hell up when they sent death threats to Sterling Marlin after Dale Sr. was killed.

Oh trust me, I wish steve wallace would have gotten out of the car and kicked kyles butt up and down pitt road!!! Kyle Busch is getting way to cocky. His mouth and driving is going to get him in big trouble. He is nothing but a skinny runt. Steve wallace would hand him his butt.  We have not heard the last of steve wallace and kyle busch. I am sure that Dale jr and kyle will tag again very soon. Kyle needs to grow up.

Kramer you are 100% right!! I agree with all your points!! Thanks for the well thought out reply!! Wanted to get your thoughts on this question. Do you think its more of the media or his fans that hype up junior?  I think sometimes its the media. What do you think?  I think the media pressures jr so much. They remind him everytime that he has not won a race in 2 years.  Jr needs to win a race and get the monkey off his back.  Then maybe the media can talk about something else.

Sorry jr and jeff are not ever going to be close friends. Jeff called him "one way" And "we see his true colors"  That was talladega. When he pushed tony and denny all day long.  Jimmy and Jeff are real friends. Jr is not in that mix trust me. Jeff tolerates jr.  Who do you think Rick Hendrick is going to back when theres a problem Jeff or Jr? Jeff is Hendrick motor sports. Just remember that!!

I told you who overrates him, the media and everyone who hates him.  Most of his fans know he'll never be his father, but the rest of the fans and the media always want to compare what he's done to what his dad did, and you can't do that.  Oh and that's a dumb statement to make about Jeff Gordon saying crap about him at Talladega.  You're talking about the same Jeff Gordon who gets a push from Jr. to get up to the lead thanks to a bump draft, yet whines that "Jr keeps bump drafting me all the time."  If you get to the lead because of it, why are you complaining?  I don't see why it's so bad that he was working with Stewart there.  They've always worked well together in restrictor plate races and they've never been teammates for one day.  It's not always about doing favors for your teammates there, it's about who you know you can work with the best, and if that person isn't a teammate, oh well.  I don't blame Dale Jr. one bit for not working with Jeff at Talladega.  I wouldn't work with him either if I helped him get to the front of the field and then heard him whine that I shouldn't be bump drafting him.

Whats the big deal about helping stewart and not gordon. Well Dale jr drives for Rich hendrick not Dei. So you should help your teammate first.  Jr is not the top dog at hendrick motorsports. That is jimmy and jeff.  Jr should have made a better effort.  Jeff should have also made a better effort to help jr. The real teammates that day were hamlin and busch. Jimmy and Casey Mears also worked good together.  Well its on to Darlington. I think this is going to be a great race. I hope this track gets the southern 500 back. We need a race in the chase from darlington.

I think you're missing the point.  I'll try again.  Jr. has helped Gordon before when they weren't teammates, and all Gordon did was complain about Jr. bump drafting him even though that bump drafting got him to the lead.  Now that he's teammates with Jeff Gordon he's supposed to help him at plate tracks?  Like I said, I wouldn't help a driver, teammate or not, if all they did was complain about how I've driven in past restrictor plate races.  Jr. has even said he wouldn't help Gordon anymore if Gordon doesn't like his bump drafting, and I agree.  If it gets you to the front, and Jr. knows that you can only bump draft in the straightaways, and Gordon gets to the front because of a couple shoves, he has no reason to complain, but he always does.