Raspberry Miss Killed After Doctor Rap Runs Into Her At Churchill Downs Before Kentucky Derby

This Won't Excite Horse Enthusiasts

4/28/09 in Horse Racing   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect


The Kentucky Derby is this weekend, which means once again it's time for pageantry and tradition....and people going nuts about how racehorses are treated poorly and bred in a dangerous fashion, etc., etc.

Well, right now, people going nuts are up 1-0 over pageantry and tradition, mainly because this morning a 2-year-old filly died at Churchill Downs after another horse collided with her during a training session.

Apparently Doctor Rap, a three-year old Colt, bucked his jockey then ran down the track right into Raspberry Miss. Both jockeys were fine, but Raspberry Miss was not, suffering multiple fractures and apparently dying of shock before vets could put her down.

I guess the one piece of good news is that no Kentucky Derby horses were involved in this.

Either way, let the debate begin again: Is forcing horses to race cruel?
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5/1/09   |   ctweety1

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5/1/09   |   ctweety1

jussnod1 wrote:
Obviously, few of you have ever worked backside.  Thoroughbreds aren't built to do this.  Google 'buck shins' for starters.  Lasix for 'bleeders'.  Horses who's lungs bleed from breathing too hard.  Bute for inflammation is doled out like carrots. Tongues have to be tied to their bottom jaw so they don't swallow it.  They're started far too young.  2 year olds aren't 2 years old, unless they were actually born on January 2nd, since all thoroughbreds turn a year older on January 1st.  The list is endless. So other than the floppy hats and mint juleps, there's nothing glamorous out there.  On a positive note, you can't work backside (or frontside oe even own a racehorse) if you've ever been convicted of a felony.   
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THANK YOU JUSSNOD1!!!  You hit the nail on the head!  We rescued a baby off the track last year and he is so, so much happier with his new job!  Being my daughters best buddy!  We put about an additional 200lbs on him and he looks fantastic standing in at 16.2hh. Getting those trotting muscles and butt muscles in shape too!
I truly wish people would get the facts straight before they open up their mouths about this kind of event.  It isn't pretty working backside.  It's all for the love of money instead of the horse!  Shame, shame!

5/1/09   |   jussnod1

Obviously, few of you have ever worked backside.  Thoroughbreds aren't built to do this.  Google 'buck shins' for starters.  Lasix for 'bleeders'.  Horses who's lungs bleed from breathing too hard.  Bute for inflammation is doled out like carrots. Tongues have to be tied to their bottom jaw so they don't swallow it.  They're started far too young.  2 year olds aren't 2 years old, unless they were actually born on January 2nd, since all thoroughbreds turn a year older on January 1st.  The list is endless. So other than the floppy hats and mint juleps, there's nothing glamorous out there.  On a positive note, you can't work backside (or frontside oe even own a racehorse) if you've ever been convicted of a felony.   

4/28/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

I love horse racing, to put it simply. I'm sure that not every trainer or owner is good person, just like not every parent in the world is good to their kids. But does that make parenting bad (or cruel) simply because some parents are a-holes? Nope. Just like horse racing isn't cruel either.

Is football cruel? Couldn't you make the argument that while on the surface people choose to play football, it could also be said that socio-economic conditions force many of the very poor in society to pursue a profession where they have to put their bodies in serious physical danger. So does that make football cruel?

To me, that ridicilous argument posted directly above is just as crazy as saying horse racing is cruel.

4/28/09   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

Most horse trainers and owners treat their horses like members of the family.  Just like I would like to think you other pet owners treat your dogs or cats.  Barbaro captivated a nation (so to speak), there was a reason for that.  This waas a fluke accident.  Honestly I have never heard of this happening.  I have seen jockeys bucked but never a AWOL horse hitting another one

4/28/09   |   snbslugger

My boss and her husband participate in harness racing.  They have a modest farm with a handful of horses.  Her husband works at the farm full time and it's his passion to do this.  They are painstaking in their care of the animals and are equally cautious in who they hire to drive the horses in races.  I don't think it's cruel at all. 

You may have some owners that are doing it wrong, and they should be punished, but to put a blanket label on the sport is unfair.  I know nothing about horse racing but to listen to her talk about it I have learned a lot.   

4/28/09   |   WBKsports   |   366 respect

BearcatFan wrote:
Horses actually like to race.  They are treated very well while they are racers.

You said, "They are treated very well while they are racers...." 

In the U.S., around 5,000 horses leave racing every year, the same number who enter it. Very few enjoy a decent retirement. Some are shot within weeks of their money-earning days coming to an end. A small number become breeders. Many are slaughtered, their bodies sold to countries like France, where people eat horse meat, or they end up as pet food. Others are exported, or sold from owner to owner into increasingly abusive and neglectful situations."

But at least while they are racing, horses are treated good....

4/28/09   |   WBKsports   |   366 respect

TheGreat8 wrote:
 No it isn't cruel. These damn horses are treated better than a lot of people are. Christ. Stop whining you stupid PETA jerks.

That's probably one of the most ignorant comments I've ever heard...

4/28/09   |   LoriDbl18fan   |   138 respect

Horses naturally race each other in fun when out in the pasture/paddocks and these horses are more pampered than an average pleasure horse that only gets to race in the pasture/paddocks.  How can it be cruel to be treated like royalty and be doing something you do normally?

4/28/09   |   The_Pope

I take it the horse in front was the female

4/28/09   |   BearcatFan   |   6 respect

Horses actually like to race.  They are treated very well while they are racers.

4/28/09   |   TheGreat8

 No it isn't cruel. These damn horses are treated better than a lot of people are. Christ. Stop whining you stupid PETA jerks.