Robert Griffin III and Baylor beat Washington 67-56 in the Alamo Bowl

Did Robert Griffin III just supplant Andrew Luck as the top pick in the 2012 Draft?

12/30/11 in NCAAF   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

Last night's Alamo Bowl between Baylor and Washington was a record-setting affair. Between the two teams, they amassed 1397 total yards, 17 total TD, 123 points, and 664 rushing yards and 12 rushing TD.

Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III was thought to have a chance to pass Andrew Luck and become the most coveted QB in the upcoming NFL Draft.

Griffin hasn't yet announced whether or not he'll forgo his senior season and enter the draft, but if he does, he definitely showed NFL teams that he has something excited to offer.



That combination of strength and speed is something that's unparalleled among draft-eligible quarterbacks right now. It actually reminds me of the play that Eli Manning made in the Super Bowl against the Patriots... except Eli ended up throwing a prayer to David Tyree instead of running it in for the score.



Does that TD run give Griffin an edge over Andrew Luck in the 2012 NFL Draft? Personally, I'd still go with Luck, if I desperately needed a QB to start right away. He played under Jim Harbaugh, a former NFL QB, and he's far more NFL ready.

However, if I'm looking for a guy to inject some excitement into the local fan base and I have some time to groom him, I'd take RG3. He's got all the physical tools in the world, and showed he has the potential to be a truly great player. And if you've been watching him all year, you already knew that.

More Alamo Bowl news and notes:

As impressive as RG3 was, there were other guys who helped their draft stock even more. Washington QB Keith Price is only a sophomore, but look for his name next year as he climbs up the draft boards. He finished the game with 438 passing yards and 4 TD on 23-27 passing, and also ran for 3 TD.

Another guy who looked great was Baylor RB Terrance Ganaway. He only rushed 21 times, but managed to rack up 200 yards and 5 TD.

The people who didn't help themselves in this game: Anyone on either defense, and both defensive coordinators. This game was the biggest shootout in bowl history. Both defenses looked like they were on vacation. Not a proud moment for either team, on that side of the ball.
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12/31/11   |   ed7496   |   310 respect

Dan_B wrote:
The season was almost unfair to Luck because whatever he did he wasn't going to be able to live up to the preseason hype. And playing with a bunch of JV receivers that will never play a down in the NFL on a run-first team didn't help him in racking up the gaudy numbers. Oh, and those nine INTs--five were dropped passes off the hands of those aforementioned receivers.  

Thanks, I try not to say anything unless I have some solid reasoning to back it up. Well I try anyway, sometimes my opinion is off....lol. You are so right about Luck, he has been hyped since last season, BIG TIME. So it would take a MONSTER season to overcome that. Although leading your team to a #3 or #4 ranking isn't anything to scoff, it's amazing the pedestal Luck was put on. I didn't know about the tipped interceptions though. Those "picks" sure would change his stats drastically. Have a great New Year!!

12/31/11   |   ed7496   |   310 respect

luciousj_s wrote:
 Ok well said my friend. Being in the NFL is a big deal. Plus if a owner nuture his prize possession
He will have a good contender.  I remember how the Detroit Lions had Andre Ware they didn't nuture him Johnny Unitais was still living they good have paid him to teach Andre how to read defenses they didn't. Andre got lost in the shuffle. I think they rushed TEBOW.

Thank you, you guys all got my point exactly. The Heisman "race" is usually a boatload of hype. It doesn't always go to the most deserving that's for sure. Just like the NCAA and the BCS Championships. Either way it's not in anyone's control but the NCAA, so I grin and bear it. Also you hit the nail on the head with QB situation. So many college QB's have been thrown into the fire before they were ready. Not making excuses for them, but some needed more time to adjust to the pro style defenses. They ended up being scrapped before, like you said got lost in the shuffle. Hopefully that wont happen with Luck or Griffin. Respect to all. Have a great New Year!!!!

12/31/11   |   luciousj_s   |   2449 respect

ed7496 wrote:
The Alamo Bowl was the TRUE definition of a shootout! All I can say is wow, and where was the defense?!?! Were the offenses that good or were the defenses that bad? I will say Robert Griffin is a damn good player, but I still disagree that he won the Heisman over Monte Ball. Before the haters come and attack that comment, I mean NO disrespect to Griffin. These stats are amazing...

Robert Griffin's stats
Comp Att    Yards   Pct       YPA    Lg  TD  Int  Skd  Rating 
291 402 4293 72.4 10.68 87 37 6 27 189.5
Now here's Monte Ball's stats......
Rush                                            Rec
  Att   Yards    Avg   Lg   TD               Rec  Yds   Avg    Lg   TD       
275 1759 6.4 54 32                20 255 12.8 63 6

Here's Andrew Luck's stats
Comp  Att.    Yards  Pct.   YPA    Lg.  TD Int Skd Rating
261 373 3170 70.0 8.50 62 35 9 9 167.5

All three are phenomenal athletes, I just personally believe Ball should have won the Heisman.
OK sorry I went off topic, but I believe Luck will still get the nod as Number 1 overall pick in the draft. All the hype surrounding him has added to his value. If you look at the stats, Griffin has the nod for sure, plus he's a better runner that Luck. The next question is who of the two had the harder schedule, and faced tougher defenses. #4 Stanford was 11-1 while #16 Baylor was 9-3. In the ESPN poll Stanford was #5 and Baylor wasn't ranked. This was before the Alamo bowl. Baylor is now 10-3, but they played a Washington team that was 7-6. Baylor was 3-2 vs. top 25 teams while Washington was 0-4. The point is Baylor should have dominated Washington and Griffin played extremely well. We'll see how Luck does in the Fiesta Bowl vs. Oklahoma State, both teams are 11-1, and are extremely tough. Stanford is 2-1 vs. top 25 teams, while OSU is 4-0.
What this boils down to is which player will be better suited in the NFL? The past has shown that just because you win the Heisman doesn't mean instant success. These decisions can be tough, ask the guys who drafted Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning in '98. Both are superb QB's, in college that is. Who will become the better QB in the NFL? Who should go number 1? I'll say this, if Griffin does decide to forgo his senior year and enter the draft, any team would be LUCKY to have either player on their roster. The real decision is how they utilize that player. If thrown to wolves their rookie season, both could be hammered. Now if you give each the chance to learn the offenses and study the defenses, both could be phenomenal. Good luck to both,as they both have bright futures!!!!

 Ok well said my friend. Being in the NFL is a big deal. Plus if a owner nuture his prize possession
He will have a good contender.  I remember how the Detroit Lions had Andre Ware they didn't nuture him Johnny Unitais was still living they good have paid him to teach Andre how to read defenses they didn't. Andre got lost in the shuffle. I think they rushed TEBOW.

12/31/11   |   usbp_1999   |   110 respect

Could not have said it better !

12/31/11   |   usbp_1999   |   110 respect

Right you are. Running backs were also deserving. Then again, we all know exactly what you said. QBs are always the first to be looked at. Its not fair, but look at who is doing the picking (NCAA). The very same folks that screwed up the BCS championship games. I`ve said it before, both guys were deserving of the trophy. I wish them both luck with ever team that is lucky enough to get them. LOOK OUT NFL.

12/31/11   |   Dan_B   |   1067 respect

Pat wrote:
 Hey man... nothing wrong with going off topic a little bit if you have some solid research to back it up.

I think this year's Heisman race was like most of them... skewed heavily in favor of the QB. To be honest, as great as Luck is, we all knew he was going to be a finalist before the season even started. Ball definitely would have also been a very deserving winner, can't deny that.

The season was almost unfair to Luck because whatever he did he wasn't going to be able to live up to the preseason hype. And playing with a bunch of JV receivers that will never play a down in the NFL on a run-first team didn't help him in racking up the gaudy numbers. Oh, and those nine INTs--five were dropped passes off the hands of those aforementioned receivers.  

12/31/11   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

 Hey man... nothing wrong with going off topic a little bit if you have some solid research to back it up.

I think this year's Heisman race was like most of them... skewed heavily in favor of the QB. To be honest, as great as Luck is, we all knew he was going to be a finalist before the season even started. Ball definitely would have also been a very deserving winner, can't deny that.

12/31/11   |   ed7496   |   310 respect

The Alamo Bowl was the TRUE definition of a shootout! All I can say is wow, and where was the defense?!?! Were the offenses that good or were the defenses that bad? I will say Robert Griffin is a damn good player, but I still disagree that he won the Heisman over Monte Ball. Before the haters come and attack that comment, I mean NO disrespect to Griffin. These stats are amazing...

Robert Griffin's stats
Comp Att    Yards   Pct       YPA    Lg  TD  Int  Skd  Rating 

291 402 4293 72.4 10.68 87 37 6 27 189.5
Now here's Monte Ball's stats......
Rush                                            Rec
  Att   Yards    Avg   Lg   TD               Rec  Yds   Avg    Lg   TD       
275 1759 6.4 54 32                20 255 12.8 63 6

Here's Andrew Luck's stats
Comp  Att.    Yards  Pct.   YPA    Lg.  TD Int Skd Rating
261 373 3170 70.0 8.50 62 35 9 9 167.5

All three are phenomenal athletes, I just personally believe Ball should have won the Heisman.
OK sorry I went off topic, but I believe Luck will still get the nod as Number 1 overall pick in the draft. All the hype surrounding him has added to his value. If you look at the stats, Griffin has the nod for sure, plus he's a better runner that Luck. The next question is who of the two had the harder schedule, and faced tougher defenses. #4 Stanford was 11-1 while #16 Baylor was 9-3. In the ESPN poll Stanford was #5 and Baylor wasn't ranked. This was before the Alamo bowl. Baylor is now 10-3, but they played a Washington team that was 7-6. Baylor was 3-2 vs. top 25 teams while Washington was 0-4. The point is Baylor should have dominated Washington and Griffin played extremely well. We'll see how Luck does in the Fiesta Bowl vs. Oklahoma State, both teams are 11-1, and are extremely tough. Stanford is 2-1 vs. top 25 teams, while OSU is 4-0.
What this boils down to is which player will be better suited in the NFL? The past has shown that just because you win the Heisman doesn't mean instant success. These decisions can be tough, ask the guys who drafted Ryan Leaf ahead of Peyton Manning in '98. Both are superb QB's, in college that is. Who will become the better QB in the NFL? Who should go number 1? I'll say this, if Griffin does decide to forgo his senior year and enter the draft, any team would be LUCKY to have either player on their roster. The real decision is how they utilize that player. If thrown to wolves their rookie season, both could be hammered. Now if you give each the chance to learn the offenses and study the defenses, both could be phenomenal. Good luck to both,as they both have bright futures!!!!

12/31/11   |   KurtKingsley   |   1858 respect

 Griffin is an averagely pretty damn good quarterback................... Luck is Class!!

12/30/11   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

usbp_1999 wrote:
Then Andrew  should have WON THE TROPHY !!!!!! Don`t be a hater. Wish the kid luck (no pun intended)

 To be fair, the Heisman Trophy isn't always the best indicator of NFL success. Just ask Charlie Ward, the best NBA player ever to win the Heisman.

12/30/11   |   Dan_B   |   1067 respect

usbp_1999 wrote:
Then Andrew  should have WON THE TROPHY !!!!!! Don`t be a hater. Wish the kid luck (no pun intended)

Luck was too busy winning games and leading his team to a BCS bowl and not a Dec. 29 bowl game.

12/30/11   |   usbp_1999   |   110 respect

Dan_B wrote:
While I could write a War & Peace-like post as to why Griffin III is a shell of the player Andrew Luck is, I will refrain, for now, and just say no.   

Then Andrew  should have WON THE TROPHY !!!!!! Don`t be a hater. Wish the kid luck (no pun intended)

12/30/11   |   derms33   |   17642 respect

His RB looked damn good...am I am hopin RG stays until the Browns pick

12/30/11   |   Tigers2010   |   646 respect

No D 

12/30/11   |   Dan_B   |   1067 respect

While I could write a War & Peace-like post as to why Griffin III is a shell of the player Andrew Luck is, I will refrain, for now, and just say no.