Santonio Holmes Controversial Game Winning Touchdown Catch, Pittsburgh Steelers Vs Baltimore Ravens

Was This Really A Touchdown? Because It Sure Didn't Look Like The Ball Crossed The Goal Line.

12/15/08 in NFL   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

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The end of the Steelers' 13-9 win over the Ravens had a bit of controversy, as Santonio Holmes scored the winning touchdown on this play. Holmes made the catch on 3rd and goal and both of his feet were in the end zone, but it appeared as though the ball never actually crossed the goal line.

If someone makes a catch and goes out of bounds, the catch is good, no matter where the ball is when it is caught. As long as the player's feet are in bounds, the ball is considered in bounds as well. So is that how it works?

But if someone's feet aren't in the end zone but the ball crosses the plane, then it's a TD. So does it work similarly, where if the ball DOESN'T cross the plane, then it's not a TD?

The referees took it to instant replay, and these were his exact words:
"After reviewing the play, the receiver had 2 feet down in the end zone, with possession of the ball. We have a touchdown."

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12/21/08   |     |   1 respect

whatever

12/21/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

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man shut up you can't have yo cake and eat it to if he take bout you team you can't ingore him i mean do you play for the steelers do you work for them are you the water boy or the towel boy either way you fighting Pat for what he says is not gonna make him say ok i will stop it is gonna make him wanna do it more jus to piss YOU off so grow up unless you own the team get over it crying like a b**ch

Don't use cuss words when you reply to me.  I don't care if you mask them with asterisks or not, that's just plain unnecessary.  Don't attack me and tell me to grow up, okay?  What if I did work for the Steelers?  You have absolutely no way of knowing that.  So it would be in your best interest to do everyone a favor and drop this, because I've TRIED to put this article behind me, however, you keep attacking me and telling me to shut up, and therefore I HAVE to defend myself against your childish antics.  Please bury the hatchet already!

12/20/08   |     |   1 respect

kramer wrote:
Did I not say I'll defend my team?  If you have a problem with that, just ignore it from now on, thank you very much.

man shut up you can't have yo cake and eat it to if he take bout you team you can't ingore him i mean do you play for the steelers do you work for them are you the water boy or the towel boy either way you fighting Pat for what he says is not gonna make him say ok i will stop it is gonna make him wanna do it more jus to piss YOU off so grow up unless you own the team get over it crying like a b**ch

12/19/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

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and you can choose to ignore Pats nobody is telling you to read and comment take you own words to heart and head you whine and cry about what he says about your team big whoop get over yourself and the PQ on my comment real nice i like it

Did I not say I'll defend my team?  If you have a problem with that, just ignore it from now on, thank you very much.

12/18/08   |     |   1 respect

kramer wrote:
I will continue to voice my opinion, because you know, that's allowed on this site.  Nobody is forcing you to read my comments and reply.  You can choose to ignore them.
(Edited by )

and you can choose to ignore Pats nobody is telling you to read and comment take you own words to heart and head you whine and cry about what he says about your team big whoop get over yourself and the PQ on my comment real nice i like it

12/18/08   |     |   1 respect

kramer wrote:
I will continue to voice my opinion, because you know, that's allowed on this site.  Nobody is forcing you to read my comments and reply.  You can choose to ignore them.

and you can chocse to ignore Pats nobody is telling you to read and comment take you owns to heart and head you whine and cry about what he says about your team big whoop get over youself

12/18/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

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and your bi**hing is getting really old really fast PERIOD
(Edited by kramer)

I will continue to voice my opinion, because you know, that's allowed on this site.  Nobody is forcing you to read my comments and reply.  You can choose to ignore them.

12/17/08   |     |   1 respect

kramer wrote:
It's all he knows how to do is put the Steelers down.  I'm sorry that you can't understand that point.  I will defend my team to the bitter end, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let some Patriots fan (whose team might not even make the playoffs) ridicule my team and ONLY speak about them negatively.  That gets highly annoying after a while, and I've absolutely had it with Pat's Steeler bashing.  It's gotten really old really fast, PERIOD!

and your bi**hing is getting really old really fast PERIOD

12/16/08   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

kramer wrote:
He doesn't get paid to work for FanIQ, it's not his "job," try again.


12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Oh, and I could care less what my ranking is on this site, so you can drop that idea right there.

12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

WBKsports wrote:
How is it "more than in all good fun"? You don't play for the Steelers man??? Why are you taking this so hard? What a little baby....OH cry,cry,wah,wah,....Pats not respecting my Steelers...cry,cry,wah,wah,... What a baby man...Sit your ass down next Glen Davis and T.O. if you want sympathy for merely being a MAN in this World. If you could hear the audio in the locker room of of Steeler's opponents, you might never stop crying. "Cry Me River, but not an entire Ocean"

I'm a Lakers and Kobe fan...If I had 1 penny for all the trash talk(and some) I've heard about the 2 in my lifetime, I could save the U.S. economy...Buck Up...What a disgrace for somebody who is ranked #11 on FanIQ. If you want respect for your Steelers, let them win in Tampa 47 days from now...Don't cry on FanIQ...

It's all he knows how to do is put the Steelers down.  I'm sorry that you can't understand that point.  I will defend my team to the bitter end, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let some Patriots fan (whose team might not even make the playoffs) ridicule my team and ONLY speak about them negatively.  That gets highly annoying after a while, and I've absolutely had it with Pat's Steeler bashing.  It's gotten really old really fast, PERIOD!

12/15/08   |     |   1 respect

WBKsports wrote:
How is it "more than in all good fun"? You don't play for the Steelers man??? Why are you taking this so hard? What a little baby....OH cry,cry,wah,wah,....Pats not respecting my Steelers...cry,cry,wah,wah,... What a baby man...Sit your ass down next Glen Davis and T.O. if you want sympathy for merely being a MAN in this World. If you could hear the audio in the locker room of of Steeler's opponents, you might never stop crying. "Cry Me River, but not an entire Ocean"

I'm a Lakers and Kobe fan...If I had 1 penny for all the trash talk(and some) I've heard about the 2 in my lifetime, I could save the U.S. economy...Buck Up...What a disgrace for somebody who is ranked #11 on FanIQ. If you want respect for your Steelers, let them win in Tampa 47 days from now...Don't cry on FanIQ...

Amen Brother

12/15/08   |   WBKsports   |   366 respect

kramer wrote:
That's the problem with Pat, it's more than "all in good fun" with him.  He purposely bashes the Steelers because he hates them.  Start paying attention.  Every time he finds something wrong with them, he'll write a public article on this site about it.  You'll never see him give them the credit they deserve for the season they've had, case closed.

How is it "more than in all good fun"? You don't play for the Steelers man??? Why are you taking this so hard? What a little baby....OH cry,cry,wah,wah,....Pats not respecting my Steelers...cry,cry,wah,wah,... What a baby man...Sit your ass down next Glen Davis and T.O. if you want sympathy for merely being a MAN in this World. If you could hear the audio in the locker room of of Steeler's opponents, you might never stop crying. "Cry Me River, but not an entire Ocean"

I'm a Lakers and Kobe fan...If I had 1 penny for all the trash talk(and some) I've heard about the 2 in my lifetime, I could save the U.S. economy...Buck Up...What a disgrace for somebody who is ranked #11 on FanIQ. If you want respect for your Steelers, let them win in Tampa 47 days from now...Don't cry on FanIQ...

12/15/08   |     |   1 respect

kramer wrote:
He doesn't get paid to work for FanIQ, it's not his "job," try again.

he might not get paid but it is still a job YOU TRY AGAIN buddy

12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

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thats his job you pay attention every writer has a team they bash and if the steelers is his team to bash let him its his job just like Jim Mora bashed every team he coached for after a bad game and he coached all of them and bashed all of them it was his job and if it was in good fun or not thats his business all you gotta do is not read his article or his comments like every body does yours

He doesn't get paid to work for FanIQ, it's not his "job," try again.

12/15/08   |     |   1 respect

kramer wrote:
That's the problem with Pat, it's more than "all in good fun" with him.  He purposely bashes the Steelers because he hates them.  Start paying attention.  Every time he finds something wrong with them, he'll write a public article on this site about it.  You'll never see him give them the credit they deserve for the season they've had, case closed.

thats his job you pay attention every writer has a team they bash and if the steelers is his team to bash let him its his job just like Jim Mora bashed every team he coached for after a bad game and he coached all of them and bashed all of them it was his job and if it was in good fun or not thats his business all you gotta do is not read his article or his comments like every body does yours

12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

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you bi**h alot just let it go its all in good fun

That's the problem with Pat, it's more than "all in good fun" with him.  He purposely bashes the Steelers because he hates them.  Start paying attention.  Every time he finds something wrong with them, he'll write a public article on this site about it.  You'll never see him give them the credit they deserve for the season they've had, case closed.

12/15/08   |     |   1 respect

kramer wrote:

Give the Steelers credit for the season they've had and I'll shut up.  Go ahead, because I know that would require you to swallow your pride, and it would be great to see you actually say something nice about the Steelers for once in your life.  I know if the shoe was on the other foot, and it had been Baltimore that was in question for scoring this TD, you'd definitely say it was the right call to rule it a TD, and wouldn't make a joke about "give Baltimore the call."  I know how biased you are when it comes to ANYTHING to do with the Steelers, and it gets pathetic after a while.

you bi**h alot just let it go its all in good fun

12/15/08   |     |   1 respect

it broke the plain by like i quater of an inch from the first angel

12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

Pat wrote:
Clearly you are. As are at least 6 others. Seriously, completely pathetic.

At least everyone outside of Pittsburgh can take a joke.

Give the Steelers credit for the season they've had and I'll shut up.  Go ahead, because I know that would require you to swallow your pride, and it would be great to see you actually say something nice about the Steelers for once in your life.  I know if the shoe was on the other foot, and it had been Baltimore that was in question for scoring this TD, you'd definitely say it was the right call to rule it a TD, and wouldn't make a joke about "give Baltimore the call."  I know how biased you are when it comes to ANYTHING to do with the Steelers, and it gets pathetic after a while.

12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

WBKsports wrote:
Me and Pat have had our moments, we've talked crap to each other, but I learned he is a good writer, and he does a lot of research!!! It was a joke man!!! Obviously the Ravens gave up a 92 yard drive at the end of the game in their house.....But, FANIQ is a forum for opinion and light-hearted joking....He was just creating conversation and debate...No need for 7 PQs on that post just because Steelers fans are "But-Hurt" by funny comments...  We'll see the Steelers fate come this January...

It was a stupid attempt at a joke, because that's all he knows how to do is bash the Steelers.  He refuses to acknowledge anything they do that's good.  I'm not saying he's a bad writer, but constantly bashing the team and writing about them ONLY when he finds something wrong with them shows just how biased he is.

12/15/08   |   WBKsports   |   366 respect

kramer wrote:
Pat got those PQs on that comment for being an idiot.  Yes I gave him one, because it gets old when he claims the refs cheat for the Steelers because he has no other argument.

Me and Pat have had our moments, we've talked crap to each other, but I learned he is a good writer, and he does a lot of research!!! It was a joke man!!! Obviously the Ravens gave up a 92 yard drive at the end of the game in their house.....But, FANIQ is a forum for opinion and light-hearted joking....He was just creating conversation and debate...No need for 7 PQs on that post just because Steelers fans are "But-Hurt" by funny comments...  We'll see the Steelers fate come this January...

12/15/08   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

kramer wrote:
I could easily delete that post, but I'm not that ignorant.

Clearly you are. As are at least 6 others. Seriously, completely pathetic.

At least everyone outside of Pittsburgh can take a joke.

12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

I could easily delete that post, but I'm not that ignorant.

12/15/08   |   kramer   |   11004 respect

WBKsports wrote:
I actually root for the Steelers a lot because my DAD was born in Pittsburgh PA. But, with all these PQs being put out for valid points, it's obvious to see that some Steelers fans are feeling a little "cocky" about their team's success...Not good when when the playoffs don't start for a couple of weeks. I mean Pat got 7 PQ's just for making us all laugh(Even my DAD who like I said loves the Steelers) Watch out for that "Karma Jinx" Steelers fans....Anything can happen in the playoffs, and you fans may not get the outcome you want.....

Pat got those PQs on that comment for being an idiot.  Yes I gave him one, because it gets old when he claims the refs cheat for the Steelers because he has no other argument.

12/15/08   |   WBKsports   |   366 respect

I actually root for the Steelers a lot because my DAD was born in Pittsburgh PA. But, with all these PQs being put out for valid points, it's obvious to see that some Steelers fans are feeling a little "cocky" about their team's success...Not good when when the playoffs don't start for a couple of weeks. I mean Pat got 7 PQ's just for making us all laugh(Even my DAD who like I said loves the Steelers) Watch out for that "Karma Jinx" Steelers fans....Anything can happen in the playoffs, and you fans may not get the outcome you want.....

12/15/08   |   Pat   |   5229 respect

Steelers fans are pathetic. Seriously. You're all a joke.

12/15/08   |   Keeter   |   92 respect

Sure it was...........I had $$$ on the Steelers !!

(wait, just kidding, gambling is wrong.............)

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12/15/08   |   Boski93   |   375 respect

So does this still mean one knee = two feet?

12/15/08   |   huskerdoug2009   |   2790 respect

I love pro football, however the interpretations of the rules is like trying to figure out how to bail out the country from it's recession.  Now if this was a punt coverage and the man is standing in the end zone when he touches the ball it's a touchback, however if he's a receiver on offense and catches the ball with his feet in the end zone it's not a touchdown?  I guess I will have to call an NFL official to come over to my house and tell me what I am watching each Sunday now.  I sure miss the good old days when touchdowns were simply yes/no answers.

12/15/08   |     |   175 respect

The ball looked like it crossed the plane.  TD.

12/15/08   |     |   7 respect

But his feet planted in the endzone while he had possession. The Refs said so. TD, end of story. Atleast they made one good call. Watch the holding by the Ravens on every single down. It was so obvious, yet it was never called. That's what happens when you play IN Baltimore.

12/15/08   |  

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Here is a shot of when the ball first gets to Holmes.... the 'blob' that makes up his hands and the ball appears the be touching some part of the plane... but does he have possession when he first touches the ball?  If you rule that he does... I think it's a TD.  If not, then by the time you rule he does have possession then he's fallen forward and it's no TD.

www.ohcello.com/holmes_grab.jpeg

12/15/08   |   WBKsports   |   366 respect

Why would someone give a PQ because I was confused about the ruling? FanIQ Karma Gods will get u...

12/15/08   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

(Edited by 100%InjuryRate)

Well, there is some truth to that. Remember the 2006 Super Bowl everyone. Or the "Did you know Jerome Bettis is from Detroit?" Super Bowl, as I like to call it.