do I think she should have done it ?  *shrug* I personally neither condemn it nor do i think it is a great thing ...  

but I am a little sick of people expecting everyone else to "behave" like you want your kids to..   people are going to behave like idiots..  if you don't like it, avoid places where people are more likely to do so..    you would have took them to a professional game where alcohol is served and people are well-known to act like fools and idiots and brawls can happen...  it is not like it is unheard of for bad behavior to happen at games...    and expected that none of the thousands and thousands of people will do something kid inappropiate ?

pro and college games are attended and intended primarily for adults...    yes, they allow kids to come through the doors too, but it is not the local arcade or a disney movie where kids are the primary purpose..   it is your choice whether you want to bring your kids there or not to a place where adults are and many adults are going to let out the stress of the day...     adults are going to be idiots.. 

it is not the rest of the world's job to walk around thinking--  "is what I want to do appropiate for tardyturtle's kids ?" ..   it is your job to be the one thinking--  "is the behavior at this place likely going to what i want my kids exposed to?"  and then weigh the risks and make the choice whether your kids will be there or not..  sometimes you will be wrong, but unless you stay at home all the time, it is going to happen sometime that someone will do something that you don't approve of your kids seeing.

if this had been a Chuck-E-cheese or a disney movie, then I would be a lot more sympathetic to the idea that kids ought to have somewhere to be kids..   but pro games are not a kid's playground or a disney movie..  they are full of adults who are going to run the spectrum of morals, sobreity,  fondness of using negative language and types of days they are having, not to mention need to blow off steam in what seems at the moment to them as harmless manner...

should she have been arrested ?   sure, because it was against the law....    but you can be arrested for that without a kid seeing you...      but I am also not going to condemn her just because she did something that parents didn't like.

lol..   pro games have cursing and drinking and drunk people and brawls are known to happen..  not sure what games or sections you go to but I am used to hearing curse words and kid-inappropiate comments by drunks or idiots..

so yes, nudity is not a common occurance..   but the idea that it is a kid-friendly place by most standards ?    I find that a stretch..    

and as such, having taken your kid to a place where there is a lot of this conduct,  I think the parents should be looking in the mirror a little if they suddenly are getting outraged and saying "oh no, the kids..."

based on the comments I am used to, if it was a movie, it would be at least PG-13..  which means if you are taking a kid under 13 to these games,  you are taking a chance anyway..

as for kids over 13...    well, if a naked female is a new thing to your boys that they have no basis for understanding and so you have to explain it to them...    and they are over 13 and they don't know what one (naked woman) looks like..   well, way to go !!!   you have accomplished a heck of a feat...

in some ways, it is like going to a horror movie.. you may not know that there will specifically be a leg cut off or a head, but you ought to realize that there will be blood and violence and if you think your kids are too young for violence and blood, then don't take them..      you may not realize that they will show a bloody leg on screen in that particular movie, but it is reasonable to realize that there is going to be a better than usual chance there will be something in it that you ought to think about..    so if you let your kids go to a movie called "death at camp gore", you take your chances...

yes, nudity is rare at games.. but are you saying all the rest of the normal stuff is what you want your kids to hear ?

so kick the woman out, maybe have her arrested if needed...

but the idea that this is truly a kid-friendly environment ?   it is not going to be.. so unless you create a special section and cut it off from the rest and only have kids there, it is not going to be..

is nudity worse than normal ?   *shrug*     I personally think people should be more worried about the angry hateful words of people around kids that often are like sponges than they should with a woman's chest which I do not think is evil or good, it just is...    but whatever...

I do however take offense with the idea of people saying that games are kid-friendly...  

and what exactly should have been done ?  she got arrested..    so what else should have been done ?   what is wrong with saying  "she was punished, there is still a game going on, let's move on"..    does the whole game have to go to the background for the rest of the night ?

maybe the term "laugh" was not the best by this guy but I agree with his basic idea.. it happened, they took care of it,  there was punishment, now let's get back to the original point of the evening which was either the game or hanging out with people, whichever you go to games for..

no, I am saying that the parents took their kids to a place where all kinds of typically-definedas-kid-inappropiate conduct is common..  yes, something out of the ordinary happened.. 

you walk into a bar known for violence..  sure, most of the time, all you see is a fight and some blood...   one day, you watch as someone gets beat a little too hard and they die..       is it a common occurance ?  no..  is it worse than the normal ?  yes...     but I take a little offense at the idea that you should wash your hands of it and say "all I expected was to see some violence, not a death" and act like you shouldn't have realized it was a lot more likely to happen there than it was at some tame little kids restaurant...

teams can do all the advertising they want, but it is up to the parents to have a little common sense and realize that there is cursing and screaming and energy-packed testorone-packed moments and that there will be drunk people through-out the stands...

so when one of these drunk people goes too far.. yes, they should be punished..  yes, they are idiots..  but I take offense at the idea that someone should be shocked as if it is totally unbelievable that something like that could have happened...  or that parents and families shouldn't have used a little caution and realize it was more likely to happen at the game than it was at the local opera or sitting around watching bambi...

yes, teams adevertise for families..  but other than removing the fan after they do something wrong, what else do you expect ?   beyond that, it falls to the parents who don't want their kids to see these things to use a little common sense and caution to realize it is more likely at the game...

not the team's fault it happened...   not the jumbotron operators' fault that someone saw themselves on there and reacted in a stupid way...     and the woman got punished..    so where is all this anger going towards ?

and the vast majority of the time, the games are..  or at least if there is nudity, it is very isolated to the point we don't hear about it..

is it likely to be nudity-free ?  yes..   is it likely to be nudity-free ?  yes...      is it AS LIKELY to be nudity free as watching bambi in your living room ?  probably not.. and if not, then that is your issue with whoever is getting nude in your home :)

my basic point here is that they went somewhere where there was a much higher likelihood for misconduct..     there happened to be some.. it was punished...    now people want to dwell on it and get mad at people who take the stance of "it happened, there was a punishment, back to the game"...      

should the team having seen it coming and stopped it ?    how ?  and if you say the team should have seen it coming, then I reply that the parents should have seen it coming too...

so what is the supposed solution ?  are we going to say no more alcohol at games ?  ..  or heck, let's follow the same logic people use to punish men usually..     "it was a woman who showed her breasts..   men showing their breasts is not a big deal..   so we must not allow women to have alcohol at games to lessen this threat and if they show their breasts, they must be banished for life from all games across the country"...

for the record, i think that would be insane.. but I also think the habit of punishing all men and limiting all men because a few are monsters is wrong too...

basically, I am saying..  you want to be mad at the woman who did it ?  fine..    but don't blame society or the team or the stadium or the jumbotron or the environemnt..  you went to a place where it was more likely to happen..  it was your choice..   someone did it and got punished...      now, what is the score and who has the ball ?

LOL David Stern or Bud Selig would have a coronary if they read this! Parents should think twice about bringing their kids to their leagues' games???  If you go into any souvenir shop in any professional team's stadium, you will find over half of the merchandise is geared towards kids. Why? Because parents bring their kids in there and are begged to buy little Tommy and Mary a foam #1 hand, some thundersticks, and a little baseball for autographs. My God, every promotion at a baseball game is for kids...run the bases after the game, mini-bat night, cheap batting helmet night. What you are saying is absurd.

"it is your choice whether you want to bring your kids there or not to a place where adults are and many adults are going to let out the stress of the day...     adults are going to be idiots.."

So, if there's going to be adults there, I should be prepared to see some breasts? Adults are going to be idiots? Well, only the idiotic ones, I guess. Maybe my standards for adult behavior are a little bit too high.

I helped raise 3 younger siblings..  I took 2 of them to games from the age of 9 or so..   with the traveling for work of one of the parents, I often stepped in as a 2nd adult and 2nd "parent" figure...  before they were old enough, I deemed it a bad place..    for a few years, they only got to go to women's games because it was decided that the conduct at the men's games was too inappropiate...

but whenever I took them to games,  I took a chance and if they heard or saw things that they shouldn't,  yes it annoyed me at times but it was what it was..     if I wanted to be "safe", I would have gone to a kids movie.. but I love sports and wanted to go..   we knew the risks...

and if it got too bad, then I simply would not take them back...   and I even took them to college games and had them in the heart of the student's section where they saw people making out and it would not shock me to find out they saw some girl felt up or a bra or whatever...

oh, and you are right, you have me confused..   unacceptable ????    unless you are saying the woman should be nailed, I think you are off-base.. it is not the stadium or anyone else's fault..      the only way you will stop it is to ban all women from the stadium... otherwise, it can happen and at some point, it probably will.

if you want to lobby congress to make it a felony and raise the punishment, so be it...  punish those who do it..     you just happen to lose me when you make it sound like blame should extend any further than the women who did it...   it is not society's fault and if people thought she was cute and enjoyed the sight, it is not their fault she did it...    the fact that it happened at a game is a shame for those offended but that is all...

justify ?   I have not said she was justified..  I have not said she had a right to do it...   I have not even said she shouldn't be punished..       but parents should not be able to pretend that there wasn't a greater risk of it happening or justify their decision to go to the game with a "morally, nudity is wrong in public so we parents are going to take our kids anywhere we want and off with the heads of anyone who dares defy us and if anyone does not have a deep burning anger when it happens, they are justifying it".

if you think you will go into a place with thousands of adults and none of them will misbehave, then yes, your expectations are a bit too high..

your standards may or may not be too high.. but your expectation that every single one of thosands will meet them is wrong..   and if your standard for whether your kids should go to the game or not is "will they be subject with inappropiate behavior" then you should not take them...

in other words, if you expect your kid will never see any bad behavior, you are going to be wrong...   so if you take them, they will see something you won't like..   may not always be nudity, but more likely it will be a drunk guy screaming that a player should die a horrible death and sometimes even describing the method...

oh, and I love that seeing a an attractive female's chest is a matter to be horrified about.. but massively overweight guys who have chests that hang like sagging boobs and take off their shirts for the entire game is not something to worry about...

so yes, you will see big boobs at games.. sometimes it will be figurative (idiots).. sometimes it will be hairy (guys' boobs)... and very rarely but apparently still possible, it will be a brief glimpse of female breasts.

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See, I am not debating whether people are dumb. I will concede that yes, people are dumb. But your original argument was that people should have the right to be idiots without having to worry about what is appropriate for children. That's the rub. If you want to talk like a sailor and whip your member out, do it in a bar or a strip club. Is it too much to expect people to remain properly clothed at a sporting event? You sound as if it is. Hey, people need to let off a little steam by exposing their privates, right?

Personally, I couldn't care less if she wanted to do a 10 minutes strip tease, but I also realize that a basketball game isn't the proper place. For whatever reason, that bothers you. I think most reasonable people here agree that if you take your kid to a bar, a stripclub, a heavy metal concert, or a Wiggles performance, they are going to see something ghastly, so they shouldn't attend. However, you are arguing that sporting events are also places children should be expected to be exposed to lewd behavior. I cannot agree with that.

As for your fatguy argument, that is a topic for you to take up with your local lawmakers. Until they pass a minimum attractiveness for men to take their shirts off, you're going to be stuck looking at such things.

we are arguing two different things I believe..

I am not arguing whether it is RIGHT that people do these things at sporting events..    I am saying it is very likely to happen anyway, whether it is right or wrong..  and whether you like that it will happen or not, it is still likely to happen..

you can say they SHOULDN'T hear bad things or see adults being jerks and idiots and see drunks do things drunk people are sometimes prone to doing (nudity being a rare case.. but for most people who attend drunken parties, it probably is not a shock to hear drunk women sometimes flash people)... 

but what I have been arguing is that whether you like it or not, someone is probably going to do something bad..   and a ballgame is more likely a place than a kids place...

so if you are truly concerned with keeping your kids from seeing it, then maybe places where large amounts of people are drinking is not the best place..   it may be a hassle and a pain and may not seem "right" to have to be so cautious..    but if your goal is truly to make sure your kids don't see it, then whether people "should" is less important than whether people are more or less likely to "would" do it.

on the other hand, if you want to take your chances and then just sit on a moral high ground and complain when it happens where it is not "right", then so be it...    seems like this woman gave you your chance to complain and teach your kids a lesson on what "not to do" from her example.