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12/11/08
Steve Cantwell Breaks Razak Al-Hussan's Arm At UFC Fight For The Troops
Steve Cantwell Is One Of The Reasons We May Never See MMA Make It In Places Like New York

There are a few things that every fighter should know about arm bars in MMA.

#1: If you are stuck in one, tap. Period. Don't try to be some kind of hero, because it's way too easy to end up with a broken arm.

#2: If you seriously injure someone, at least pretend that you didn't mean to, and/or didn't really want it to happen. Don't fall prey to the stereotypes of those who see MMA as human cockfighting, and consider the athletes to be barbarians.

Razak Al-Hussan broke rule #1 in last night's UFC Fight For The Truth event. Steve Cantwell had him in an arm bar, and he had it set in deep. There was no way Al-Hussan was going to get out of it. At that point, the only answer is to tap. I'm sure that's the last thing that Razak wanted to hear, and tapping is the last thing he would ever want to do after training for months for the fight. But now, he will have to take at least a few weeks off, maybe more.

The MMA Experts Blog first let me know about this incident, and emphasized Cantwell breaking rule #2. It's understandable that Cantwell would be excited after the win, but there is a line between being happy about a victory, and being excited about inflicting serious harm to an opponent, with possible long term effects.

Cantwell's quote after the fight can be seen in the above video, and it's exactly what the UFC DOESN'T want to hear from their fighters after a victory like this: "That was so sweet, man. I've been waiting so long to do that, you have no idea".

It was as if he didn't just snap another man's arm moments earlier. Cantwell's reaction was one of someone who had just rode a new roller coaster, or tried a great meal at a nice restaurant. He was excited that he had the opportunity, and was thrilled that he had been involved in an unfortunate situation where a fighter payed dearly for his refusal to tap.

Right now, the UFC is trying to eventually hold fights in the state of New York, in the face of much opposition from politicians who say that the sport is too brutal and barbaric. Cantwell's comments only serve to prove them right. Hopefully this doesn't slow MMA's arrival in New York, although it certainly plays directly into the hands of MMA detractors.
 
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12/11/08
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OUCHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


12/11/08
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The UFC should not allow Steve Cantwell to fight for them ever again because what's to say next time he gets in the cage he doesn't break a guys neck. Here's a message for the guy that fought Steve Cantwell next time someone has you in an arm bar tap out  dumb ass

12/11/08
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(Edited by jprivett)
There is a big difference between being prideful and being stupid.  I saw this fight as it took place, allow me to state that Al-Hussan was never going to win this fight.  His skill was very tap-tap (or patty-cake I should say) for a sport that has been pioneered by guys who aim to rip their opponent several new ones. 

But the truth of the matter is all fighters know the rules.  All fighter understand that if the fight goes to the ground you are either going to wind up in a submission or a pounding state.  Also, all fighters know that if you do not tap out, that  pressure will be applied until you do tap out.  If you try to twist your way out of an very secure and well executed arm-bar hold (as you did Mr. Al-Hussan) there is a grave chance you are going to break something or dislocate something.  This is a given and all fighters know this fully well.

As I said this guy was a patty-cake fighter and it takes a certain type of person to compete in this style of arena.  Al-Hussan should have known when to walk away so he could fight another day.  After that break, I will be amazed if he gets full use out of his elbow again.

At the same time Cantwell should not have tried to break the guys arm as he made it sound, but rather just simply keep applying the pressure until Razak taped (come on this is not a pillow fight).

My PO for what's it worth.

-james

12/11/08
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For the record, I don't blame Cantwell at all for his actions during the fight. He did exactly what he should have done. It was his comments after the fight that I take issue with.

12/11/08
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(Edited by jprivett)
I too had issues with his comment after the fight--more so than acutally breaking the guys arm, but you could clearly tell he was trying to break Razak's arm.  Had it been Razak's leg breaking for doing a pitty pat side kick and Cantwell blocking with his shin...sure, then he did what he was supposed to do, but this is a sport and all sport has limit that you should not cross...again, I know it is not a pillow fight out there in the octagon but etiquette man, etiquette.

12/11/08
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I think a large part of what has made MMA more and more acceptable in the mainstream is the mutual respect and sportsmanship of the fighters.  For the most part, these guys don't go out there to maim each other and even the UFC Official Rules are reasonable

Whether he intended to break Razak's arm or not, Cantwell's post-match comments were foolish and not in the spirit of competition the UFC has tried to promote.  For that, he's an idiot, and maybe a little over-emotional, but if he is disrespectful to his opponents like that again, someone is going to hurt him real bad.  That's assuming he gets on another card at all.

This sport exists due to respect among the fighters and discipline.  If those qualities didn't exist you would basically have state-sanctioned homicide.

12/11/08
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I cant beleive that your lead post is "Steve Cantwell is the reason MMA will never ...." Is this really what you think, or is it what you think we should think? I guess boxing being the brutal sport that it is with numerous deaths and injuries, will never be seen in New York. OOPs, hasnt boxing been in NY? Well I guess death from boxing is ok. Of course we may need to invest in ear prosthetics, but boxing is a gentlemans sport. Right? It's acceptable.
The UFC is an areana for Martial Arts, not the theatre for Little House on the Prarie" Martial Arts has been around for 1000's of year's. It is a "sport" that has incrediable benefits both physically and mentally for the practitioner. The UFC has given the 100,000 plus people that practice Martial Arts the opportunity to test their skills against each other. Yes people are going to get hurt, especially when you have an opponent that knows the rules, knows he is going to suffer a broken limb if he doesnt follow the rules, and still wont follow the rules. The only thing that the UFC could have done to prevent this is given al-hussan an IQ test b4 the fight.
Then again, he has won in a way. Even though he could nt beat Steve Cantwell in the ring, he can beat him in the court of public opinion, by taking the arm break. what a way to win. Do e
By the way, if your reading this Steve Cantwell, WOW, you have incrediable skill and talent, your going to go far in this sport. I, WE LOOK FORWARD TO YOUR NEXT FIGHT!!
For the rest of you, If you dont like it, dont watch it!! Im sure you can find a rerun of "insert your favorite show here" and watch that instead.

12/11/08
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I think I may have just lost IQ points reading that post.  Your Troll-Fu is weak, grasshoppa.


12/11/08
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Every fighter that steps into the ring and puts their opponent in any type of arm bar, ankle lock, or leg bar is doing so with one intention only.....to break that limb. Its Tap or Snap. Every competitor that enters the ring knows that and all risks involved. As far as Cantwell and his comments disrespectful yes, distasteful yes. Out of the realm of ordinary no. Watch any boxing pre fight hype or UFC pre fight hype and much worse is said on a regular basis. His comments will not keep him out of the cage, I expect to see him again in 6 months fight a better opponent. Don't be surprised if it is the winner of the light heavyweight division on the ultimate fighter this Saturday.

MMA is a brutal sport but is far less susceptible for serious or fatal injury then boxing.  Even if the state of New York does not come around for the respect of the sport they most definitely will for the money.

12/11/08
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This was at the same event where the dude's leg just broke in half?  Damn, just damn.

12/11/08
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 It's kind of hard to feel sorry for the guy since he didn't tap!

12/13/08
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there is no way the UFC is going to throw the LH TUF winner to the wolves by facing him against Steve Cantwell, the last WEC LH Champ, for his first post TUF fight.

12/13/08
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frontxxrunner wrote:
there is no way the UFC is going to throw the LH TUF winner to the wolves by facing him against Steve Cantwell, the last WEC LH Champ, for his first post TUF fight.
The LH division in the WEC sucks. There was like 3 good fighters not a huge accomplishment for Cantwell, he is a good fighter but relatively untested in the WEC. After Vinny wins tonight he would be a great match up for Cantwell.  Although he has a unimpressive MMA record at 3-2-1 he is a very good fighter and working on his weaker stand up. Vinny is as good if not better then any LH currently in the UFC at Ju Jitsu.

BJJ Pan American champ, 2x American National Champ, Brazilian Nat. Champ, 6x Rio de Janeiro st. champ, U.S. Open Champ, 3x Rio State ranking Champion

his stand up game needs work but all and all Cantwell would be a great matchup for him


12/13/08
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brianmc0331 wrote:
The LH division in the WEC sucks. There was like 3 good fighters not a huge accomplishment for Cantwell, he is a good fighter but relatively untested in the WEC. After Vinny wins tonight he would be a great match up for Cantwell.  Although he has a unimpressive MMA record at 3-2-1 he is a very good fighter and working on his weaker stand up. Vinny is as good if not better then any LH currently in the UFC at Ju Jitsu.

BJJ Pan American champ, 2x American National Champ, Brazilian Nat. Champ, 6x Rio de Janeiro st. champ, U.S. Open Champ, 3x Rio State ranking Champion

his stand up game needs work but all and all Cantwell would be a great matchup for him

I just read that Al-Hussan only suffered a dislocated elbow, and was released from the hospital the same night, unlike Corey Hill's damn near compound fracture of the shin at the same event.
I agree Vinny will win, due to his overwhelming BJJ being more than enough to win TUF.  I still say that they won't put the winner against Cantwell for their first post TUF fight.  

They usually like to use guys coming off of losses or small show guys to build up TUF winners, not overly challenge them in their first fight.  It's a marketing thing, and rightfully so.  If the TUF winner loses right away, it discredits the show, which is the UFC's baby.  Look at some other winner's first fights:  Forest Griffin vs. Bill Mahood, Nate Diaz against Junior Assuncao, Rashad Evans against Sam Hoger, Mike Bisping against Eric Shafer , Diego Sanchez against Brian Gassaway...



12/14/08
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Vader Bader freakin' rocked vinny...nuff said.

bye.

 
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