Thierry Henry Handball results in France's win over Ireland
Soccer

I suggest Thierry Henry not set foot in Ireland for awhile.

11/18/09 in Soccer   |   Seth   |   301 respect


A blatant handball by Thierry Henry has propelled France to the World Cup over Ireland. So how bad was this hand ball in the grand scheme of things? Well, as said it got France into the World Cup, and knocked Ireland out of it. Ouch. This hand ball should join the illustrious ranks of the infamous Maradona "Hand of God" goal.
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11/20/09   |   IndoSocialista   |   40 respect

That is not sportmanship. For me Henry was one of the best players of modern football, but having done that blatantly, admited it and still get away with it? Man that is just shameful. But the most incredible thing is that awful refereeing like this continues on the international stage. And until FIFA don't instrument the use of video replay for this kind of actions in a very important games, this kind of joke will continue again and again and again.  

11/19/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3292 respect

Jemstone wrote:
Henry admitted to hand ball.....the ref didnt make the call, so he played it! Who wouldnt have for a chance to play in the World Cup?

I don't think anyone here actually blames Henry himself, just the fact that no ref made any call, whether it be for the two men that were offsides, or the handball.

11/19/09   |   Seth   |   301 respect

(Edited by Seth)

11/19/09   |   Scott   |   51953 respect

I dont remember seeing a play as blatant but time and time again, crucial calls in critical matches have gone the way of the higher-profile team.  FIFA isnt stupid, they know that bigger nations draw larger audiences and create extra revenue.

11/19/09   |   Jemstone   |   20 respect

Henry admitted to hand ball.....the ref didnt make the call, so he played it! Who wouldnt have for a chance to play in the World Cup?

11/19/09   |   sportsgnork   |   44 respect

1. Have a replay system that is extremely fast and constantly monitoring every play. 
2. Two referees, one on each half of the field.  Two extra assistant referees. 
3.  Cards and goals can be given or taken away on reviews.
4.  Severe fines and suspension are needed.

With all this being said, here is how this controversy could have been avoided.

The extra ref and assistant ref would have seen the offside and called it.  The handball would have been null and void.  If they choose to ignore it.  Review is automatic and the goal is taken away and Henry is given a red card.  After the match, Henry is given a fine and a match suspension.  The referees are also fined and suspended.  You have to start punishing refs as plays tend to be ignored due to playing favorites. 

Hit all where it hurts the most, the wallet.

11/18/09   |   Seth   |   301 respect

(Edited by Seth)

Looking at it, it looked they had kind of stopped.
My guess is...
1. He actually was offsides.
2. They weren't expecting him to stop the ball from going out of bounds with his hand.
3. That's all I have, I think #2 is a pretty good reason to slow up.
I get what your saying by soccer still being in play when they do it, but at that point the defender is beat, he can't catch him, might as well hope for the offsides I guess.

All that aside, this play couldn't look any worse unless Henry took a dive after his hand ball and tried to draw a penalty kick.

11/18/09   |   IlliniBob72   |   83 respect

Seth wrote:
I'm no soccer (futbol) expert, but I equate throwing up your hand looking for an offside call to that of a receiver who dropped the ball looking for the pass interference flag, or the NBA player who wildly drove the lane, threw up a shot and missed, and looked to the ref for the call. In this case those guys were beat by Henry and looked for the offsides (which in this case was probably warranted), but in general if you're beat you look for help from the ref just like any other sport.

I hear what you are saying, but they do this while the play is still going on! Brandon Marshall wouldn't do his annoying "flag throwing motion" while the ball is still in the air. Well, at least I hope he wouldn't. Watching the video, everyone on the Irish side quit on the play before the pass even got to the goal scorer. I'm going to look again, but I wonder if they quit the play before the ball even left Henry's foot.

11/18/09   |   Seth   |   301 respect

IlliniBob72 wrote:
That was an awful non-call, but I've got a question. Why is it that in soccer, when a player thinks an opponent is offside or committed a handball or a foul, everyone stops playing and starts looking for the call??? I don't know if that led to the goal here, but I see it all the time, particularly on offside plays. Could you imagine everyone on the Packers defense stopping on a play because they saw a Vikings lineman commit a holding foul?
(Edited by Seth)

I'm no soccer (futbol) expert, but I equate throwing up your hand looking for an offside call to that of a receiver who dropped the ball looking for the pass interference flag, or the NBA player who wildly drove the lane, threw up a shot and missed, and looked to the ref for the call. In this case those guys were beat by Henry and looked for the offsides (which in this case was probably warranted), but in general if you're beat you look for help from the ref just like any other sport.

11/18/09   |   IlliniBob72   |   83 respect

That was an awful non-call, but I've got a question. Why is it that in soccer, when a player thinks an opponent is offside or committed a handball or a foul, everyone stops playing and starts looking for the call??? I don't know if that led to the goal here, but I see it all the time, particularly on offside plays. Could you imagine everyone on the Packers defense stopping on a play because they saw a Vikings lineman commit a holding foul?

11/18/09   |   celticfc411   |   51 respect

celticfc411 wrote:
I like Henry as a player, but he shouldn't be setting foot anywhere near Ireland for about the next 50 years. Ireland had chances to win the game, and probably should have converted those chances. And there's no saying whether or not France would have won in the end anyways. But to lose a game like that...it just hurts. In my opinion that's worse than the blown handball call which led to the US getting bounced from the 2002 World Cup.

But I still don't want instant replay in soccer. It works in baseball, since it's a slow sport. It works in basketball and football since those sports have breaks built in. But I don't think you can change soccer to allow the time for replays.

Ideally, yes. I don't know, though. FIFA has enough trouble running the game as it is.

11/18/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3292 respect

CutterTML wrote:
The refs had to screw it up but Ireland sucked anyway so France would have won no matter what

Yea, that makes sense...Being it was 1-1 aggregate in OT, it was obvious France was soooo much better in both matches that they would've won no matter what. Watch the games, please.

11/18/09   |   Seth   |   301 respect

wrote:
World knows that France is world champion in handball,they didn't have to prove it on the soccer field!And one more thing!Before Henry touched ball TWICE with his hand,he was clearky offside!

I was going to say that too, but I thought the hand ball was enough to draw some outrage.

11/18/09   |   Seth   |   301 respect

celticfc411 wrote:
I like Henry as a player, but he shouldn't be setting foot anywhere near Ireland for about the next 50 years. Ireland had chances to win the game, and probably should have converted those chances. And there's no saying whether or not France would have won in the end anyways. But to lose a game like that...it just hurts. In my opinion that's worse than the blown handball call which led to the US getting bounced from the 2002 World Cup.

But I still don't want instant replay in soccer. It works in baseball, since it's a slow sport. It works in basketball and football since those sports have breaks built in. But I don't think you can change soccer to allow the time for replays.

Seeing as the ref on the field keeps track of time for injuries and the like why can't he add extra time for replays if necessary. And you can just keep it simple for things like goals or penalties in the box and not use it for everything.
This was a goal, time was stopped while they were celebrating and the ball is set for kickoff at midfield. They could have replayed it at the same time and not ruined the flow of the game.
Keep replay to a minimum but still use it.

11/18/09   |   CutterTML   |   16 respect

The refs had to screw it up but Ireland sucked anyway so France would have won no matter what

11/18/09   |   celticfc411   |   51 respect

I like Henry as a player, but he shouldn't be setting foot anywhere near Ireland for about the next 50 years. Ireland had chances to win the game, and probably should have converted those chances. And there's no saying whether or not France would have won in the end anyways. But to lose a game like that...it just hurts. In my opinion that's worse than the blown handball call which led to the US getting bounced from the 2002 World Cup.

But I still don't want instant replay in soccer. It works in baseball, since it's a slow sport. It works in basketball and football since those sports have breaks built in. But I don't think you can change soccer to allow the time for replays.

11/18/09   |   enycee_1999   |   3 respect

WOW CAN WE SEE IF THE HEAD BUDS WILL MAKE AN A APPEARANCE THIS WORLD CUP.

11/18/09   |   Seth   |   301 respect

"Cheese-eating surrender monkeys"

11/18/09   |   BluDevil   |   618 respect

Somehow I knew France was gonna get in.... But I hope the way they got in hurts them in the draw on 12/3, even though I doubt that'll happen.

11/18/09   |   Boski93   |   375 respect

SHENANIGANS! SHENANIGANS! SHENANIGANS!

Oh there is not a broomstick big enough for these SHENANIGANS! Look I know if they had disallowed this it was no guarantee of Ireland winning but BLEEEEEPING BLEEP BLEEEP BLEEP BLEEEP BLEEEEEEP!

Oh I will loathe Thierry Henry with the power of 1,000 suns. It was bad enough he scored the game winner to knock Ireland out of 2006 World Cup he goes and does this. BLEEPING BLEEP BLEEP you BLEEP BLEEP! 

This sucks arse le grande!

11/18/09   |   bwfc2good4u   |   327 respect

100%InjuryRate wrote:
This is why soccer refs blow the SEC officials and MLB umps out of the water. There's one damn dude on the whole field! Aside from the line judges. I mean, that's f******* nuts! Seriously, soccer is insanely stupid to not use instant replay, or at least add a few more refs on the field. The potential for human error in soccer is astronomically high because of the stupidity of only having one main ref covering that many players and that much action.

they've been trying 5 officials in some games this season in the Europa league, but it hasn't really worked. Without any kind of video technology all they did was cause confusion, as they often had split decisions on what they should give, and so we come back to the old problem that if that happens, it is the referee's call anyway...the only way to get rid of that indecision is video technology, but much of the footballing world is against it because it would break up the flow of the game. Also there is the argument that football should be the same at any level...whether it be Sunday league football or Champions league...I think that argument finished when footballers started earning 1000's of times more money than park footballers though...

11/18/09   |   Seth   |   301 respect

100%InjuryRate wrote:
This is why soccer refs blow the SEC officials and MLB umps out of the water. There's one damn dude on the whole field! Aside from the line judges. I mean, that's f******* nuts! Seriously, soccer is insanely stupid to not use instant replay, or at least add a few more refs on the field. The potential for human error in soccer is astronomically high because of the stupidity of only having one main ref covering that many players and that much action.

And lets not get into how much an extra official on the field would help cut down on diving.

11/18/09   |   100%InjuryRate   |   1283 respect

(Edited by 100%InjuryRate)

This is why soccer refs blow the SEC officials and MLB umps out of the water. There's one damn dude on the whole field! Aside from the line judges. I mean, that's f******* nuts! Seriously, soccer is insanely stupid to not use instant replay, or at least add a few more refs on the field. The potential for human error in soccer is astronomically high because of the stupidity of only having one main ref covering that many players and that much action.

11/18/09   |   bwfc2good4u   |   327 respect

Henry knew himself how unsporting he'd been, sitting down with Ireland's centre back Richard Dunne and looking as if he was appologising. As the headline says though, if I was Thierry I wouldn't be booking any holidays to ireland any time soon-football fans have long memories, and if someone wrongs your country like that it is remembered for decades. Look at Maradona, he's still hated over here for what he did before I was even born, but things like that get passed down through the generations...Henry will have lost a lot of fans, and done his reputation irreparable damage with his actions tonight

11/18/09   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3292 respect

Listening to Tommy Smyth on SC about it, I wanted to be upset with him, as it was an entirely BS call, but I can't help but smile when listening to him.

11/18/09   |   guylake   |   321 respect

 I'll bet the Irish aren't going to get too upset over this. It's just football after all.