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2/27/08
What's Going To Happen To Brady Quinn Now That The Browns Seem Set On Derek Anderson?
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While it's long been known that the Browns are looking to re-sign Derek Anderson, it appears that is now on the verge of happening.

The Browns' latest offer (Anderson rejected an earlier one) is a three-year deal worth $20 million, with $10 million guaranteed, according to the Columbus Dispatch. There are indications that an agreement could be struck Wednesday or early Thursday.

Obviously, this isn't good news for Brady Quinn.

After Week 1 of the 2007 season it looked like Quinn might be under center before the end of September. Now, he may never be under center as a Cleveland Brown.

And I think Cleveland is making the right move.

The most difficult thing to find in the NFL is a good, consistent quarterback. After all, pro scouts nearly missed guys like Tom Brady, Tony Romo, Jeff Garcia, Derek Anderson, and Kurt Warner.

So when you manage to get your hands on one, regardless of where he came from, you better hang on to him. Anderson proved over the 2007 season that he was capable of handling an NFL load and being a consistent quarterback by throwing for 3,787 yards and 29 touchdowns and turning a couple of his targets into Pro-Bowl players. He himself went as an alternate.

Now, there's always a risk that teams may pick up on what Anderson was doing in 2007 and find a way to better defend him. For that reason, it makes sense to hold on to Quinn for at least another season. But for most NFL QB's, it seems that once they make it through a complete season as a consistent starter like Anderson, they're unlikely to ever totally revert.

The problem with Quinn is that unlike Anderson, you have no idea what you're getting. There are countless first round QBs who never panned out. I was also never really all that impressed with Quinn and wasn't surprised he fell in the draft. He never won a big game and he never struck me as being particularly accurate.

Despite Quinn's apparent limitations, I don't see him pulling an Aaron Rodgers and voluntarily sitting behind Anderson. I also don't see him (and his agent) remaining quiet about his lack of playing time - primarily because he's pretty damn arrogant (which isn't necessarily a bad thing).

Since Cleveland appears to be comfortable with Anderson, and it doesn't make sense to have two quarterbacks eating up cap space, it only seems to make sense to jettison Quinn after the 2008 season - provided Anderson doesn't implode (which I don't think he will).

Considering Quinn would still be a hot commodity for a number of teams out there - because the league is filled with craptastic QBs - it should be easy to get something for him. And if I were the Browns, I'd definitely focus on beefing up the defense, since that was what ultimately killed them in 2007.

Either way though, I'd say the odds are pretty good that once this contract is signed, Quinn will be out of Cleveland before we ever see him take his first pro snap.
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2/27/08
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100%InjuryRate wrote:
You have some valid points, but I also don't remember Braylon Edwards being a pro-bowl receiver before Anderson was throwing to him. Nor do I remember Kellen Winslow being a pro-bowl player either before Anderson.

Also, Anderson's contract isn't that low. In 2007, here were the top 5 QBs by base pay: QUARTERBACKS Brett Favre, G.B.:$9,533,333; Peyton Manning,Ind.,$8,301,666; Michael Vick, Atl.,$7,892,857;Donovan McNabb, Phi.,$7,861,055;Brad Johnson, T.B.,$6,800,000.

Yes they have more incentives, but Anderson isn't getting some mediocre pocket change. Granted, with only $10 guaranteed, it means he must perform well.

The previous contract was for less total money, but more guaranteed ($11 mil), which Anderson rejected. It does appear that regardless of the contract, he'll need to prove himself. But still, this isn't chump change, and they're making some commitment to see what they can get from Anderson, at the risk of pissing off Quinn.
Something to consider... is Anderson's contract front-loaded?  If it is, the may use him this year and let him go afterwards to give Quinn more time to develop. 

2/27/08
1
Anderson has proven nothing, and the fact that the Browns have only extended him a 3 year deal at a moderate amount of money is proof of that.  He put together about half of a good season behind a very solid offensive line with excellent targets to throw at and a legit running back to take the pressure off him.  It wasn't he that turned his teammates into Pro Bowlers, it was they who did him that favor.  It was an ideal situation, yet he faltered down the stretch anyway, reverting to look a lot more like the collegiate quarterback that never saw an interception he didn't want to throw and the guy that got cut nearly immediately by the Ravens.  It appears to me that the Browns are involved in a public relations maneuver here, extending Anderson the largest contract he's ever likely to see, keeping the fans of a team that just missed the playoffs happy.  In reality, I find it hard to believe that their endgame here is anything but letting Anderson become an RFA, hoping some QB desperate team sign him to a bigger offer than the pittance he's tendered at, and collecting those 1st and 3rd round compensatory picks while Anderson still has any value.  Let it look like it was Anderson's decision to skip town and plug in Quinn who is likely the better QB of the two anyway.  Even if Quinn falters while learning the ropes, picking twice in the first next year will have Browns fans laughing all the way to the bank.

2/27/08
0
I'm not completely sold on Anderson, and from what I've read there seems to be some doubt throughout the league about him as well.  I think right now the Browns would be best to sell high on Anderson and get some good draft picks around Quinn.  If they could get two teams bidding on Anderson, which shouldn't be too hard, they could drive the price up pretty quickly.

2/27/08
0

1) Alex Smith is in a league of his own

2) Quinn will suck next year if he starts, no big deal

3) Rodgers looks good... if he can stay healthy

2/27/08
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Eight wrote:
Anderson has proven nothing, and the fact that the Browns have only extended him a 3 year deal at a moderate amount of money is proof of that.  He put together about half of a good season behind a very solid offensive line with excellent targets to throw at and a legit running back to take the pressure off him.  It wasn't he that turned his teammates into Pro Bowlers, it was they who did him that favor.  It was an ideal situation, yet he faltered down the stretch anyway, reverting to look a lot more like the collegiate quarterback that never saw an interception he didn't want to throw and the guy that got cut nearly immediately by the Ravens.  It appears to me that the Browns are involved in a public relations maneuver here, extending Anderson the largest contract he's ever likely to see, keeping the fans of a team that just missed the playoffs happy.  In reality, I find it hard to believe that their endgame here is anything but letting Anderson become an RFA, hoping some QB desperate team sign him to a bigger offer than the pittance he's tendered at, and collecting those 1st and 3rd round compensatory picks while Anderson still has any value.  Let it look like it was Anderson's decision to skip town and plug in Quinn who is likely the better QB of the two anyway.  Even if Quinn falters while learning the ropes, picking twice in the first next year will have Browns fans laughing all the way to the bank.
You have some valid points, but I also don't remember Braylon Edwards being a pro-bowl receiver before Anderson was throwing to him. Nor do I remember Kellen Winslow being a pro-bowl player either before Anderson.

Also, Anderson's contract isn't that low. In 2007, here were the top 5 QBs by base pay: QUARTERBACKS Brett Favre, G.B.:$9,533,333; Peyton Manning,Ind.,$8,301,666; Michael Vick, Atl.,$7,892,857;Donovan McNabb, Phi.,$7,861,055;Brad Johnson, T.B.,$6,800,000.

Yes they have more incentives, but Anderson isn't getting some mediocre pocket change. Granted, with only $10 guaranteed, it means he must perform well.

The previous contract was for less total money, but more guaranteed ($11 mil), which Anderson rejected. It does appear that regardless of the contract, he'll need to prove himself. But still, this isn't chump change, and they're making some commitment to see what they can get from Anderson, at the risk of pissing off Quinn.

2/27/08
1
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100%InjuryRate wrote:
You have some valid points, but I also don't remember Braylon Edwards being a pro-bowl receiver before Anderson was throwing to him. Nor do I remember Kellen Winslow being a pro-bowl player either before Anderson.

Also, Anderson's contract isn't that low. In 2007, here were the top 5 QBs by base pay: QUARTERBACKS Brett Favre, G.B.:$9,533,333; Peyton Manning,Ind.,$8,301,666; Michael Vick, Atl.,$7,892,857;Donovan McNabb, Phi.,$7,861,055;Brad Johnson, T.B.,$6,800,000.

Yes they have more incentives, but Anderson isn't getting some mediocre pocket change. Granted, with only $10 guaranteed, it means he must perform well.

The previous contract was for less total money, but more guaranteed ($11 mil), which Anderson rejected. It does appear that regardless of the contract, he'll need to prove himself. But still, this isn't chump change, and they're making some commitment to see what they can get from Anderson, at the risk of pissing off Quinn.
Edwards and Winslow were both top six picks if memory serves correct.  These guys are no slouches.  Counting the year Winslow lost to the motorcycle accident, both of these guys were also in their third pro year, which as we all know, is the year any scout will tell you to begin to expect a return on your draft pick at a receiving position.  Those two guys came into their own and took Anderson along for the ride.  That team was also bolstered by offensive line upgrades, most notably Joe Thomas, and the solidifying of their running game by Jamal Lewis.  Pretty nice situation for a quarterback to find himself in.  He couldn't even keep it together for the year the year though.  Last three games (none of which were against elite opponents, but Edwards was injured): 3 TDs to 5 INTs, 180 yards avg, avg 60.3 QB rating.  The Browns themselves aren't over-committing to this guy, and I'd call any GM willing to surrender the picks it'd take to sign him away a fool.

2/27/08
4
100%InjuryRate wrote:
You have some valid points, but I also don't remember Braylon Edwards being a pro-bowl receiver before Anderson was throwing to him. Nor do I remember Kellen Winslow being a pro-bowl player either before Anderson.

Also, Anderson's contract isn't that low. In 2007, here were the top 5 QBs by base pay: QUARTERBACKS Brett Favre, G.B.:$9,533,333; Peyton Manning,Ind.,$8,301,666; Michael Vick, Atl.,$7,892,857;Donovan McNabb, Phi.,$7,861,055;Brad Johnson, T.B.,$6,800,000.

Yes they have more incentives, but Anderson isn't getting some mediocre pocket change. Granted, with only $10 guaranteed, it means he must perform well.

The previous contract was for less total money, but more guaranteed ($11 mil), which Anderson rejected. It does appear that regardless of the contract, he'll need to prove himself. But still, this isn't chump change, and they're making some commitment to see what they can get from Anderson, at the risk of pissing off Quinn.
Something to consider... is Anderson's contract front-loaded?  If it is, the may use him this year and let him go afterwards to give Quinn more time to develop. 

2/27/08
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kantwistaye wrote:
Something to consider... is Anderson's contract front-loaded?  If it is, the may use him this year and let him go afterwards to give Quinn more time to develop. 
Good question, but we don't have the specifics right now. That'd be pretty interesting to find out. Smart question my friend.

2/27/08
1
Eight wrote:
Edwards and Winslow were both top six picks if memory serves correct.  These guys are no slouches.  Counting the year Winslow lost to the motorcycle accident, both of these guys were also in their third pro year, which as we all know, is the year any scout will tell you to begin to expect a return on your draft pick at a receiving position.  Those two guys came into their own and took Anderson along for the ride.  That team was also bolstered by offensive line upgrades, most notably Joe Thomas, and the solidifying of their running game by Jamal Lewis.  Pretty nice situation for a quarterback to find himself in.  He couldn't even keep it together for the year the year though.  Last three games (none of which were against elite opponents, but Edwards was injured): 3 TDs to 5 INTs, 180 yards avg, avg 60.3 QB rating.  The Browns themselves aren't over-committing to this guy, and I'd call any GM willing to surrender the picks it'd take to sign him away a fool.
I think we have to careful with tossing Anderson aside. He had a very good "first" year, although CF considers him more of a second year player (which I can understand). There are tons of great QB's out there who had bad stretches at the end of their first real season. Tony Romo being the most recent example. I wouldn't bury the guy because he ended the season poorly. Bury him if he sucks this next season.

2/27/08
0

I think you hang on to both for at least one more year. If someone comes along and is dumb enough to overpay for Anderson, or recouping some of what was given up to get Quinn then take it.


2/27/08
0
100%InjuryRate wrote:
I think we have to careful with tossing Anderson aside. He had a very good "first" year, although CF considers him more of a second year player (which I can understand). There are tons of great QB's out there who had bad stretches at the end of their first real season. Tony Romo being the most recent example. I wouldn't bury the guy because he ended the season poorly. Bury him if he sucks this next season.
Okay, that's exactly what I'm saying though.  You titled the blog "What's Going To Happen To Brady Quinn Now That The Browns Seem Set On Derek Anderson?"  Perhaps I could be wrong in the tossing the guy aside, but there's nothing about these dealings that should lead anyone to believe the Browns are set on Anderson.  It's a short deal, and as was wisely mentioned above, it's probably front-loaded and will allow them to scrap him next year in favor of Quinn if needs be.  There's lots of guys that have played some pretty decent football for stretches in their first real shot, Rex Grossman and Kyle Orton for example.  He's proven nothing more than either of them.  And to continue using my Bears as example, their offensive unit is a disaster.  O-line in shambles, Mark Bradley set to be the #1 wideout...it's the polar opposite of the situation in Cleveland.  Bring Anderson here, he'd be a laughingstock and two lost draft picks.  Heck, Peyton Manning would fall apart here.

2/27/08
0
Anderson's completion percentage and his INT's are definitely a concern.  While he can improve, I think it's too early to declare him great.

2/27/08
1
It's funny how no Cleveland fans have commented this...there is like ONE Browns fan on here...

2/28/08
0
He'll be traded. My original thought was to the Giants, but Eli squashed that thought.

2/28/08
1
I wish the Browns would trade Anderson, as a Steeler fan it would make life that much better in the division.  But I can't be biased about this, Anderson was solid all year.  The Browns are vastly improved, and you can thank Anderson for that this past season.  If they can get some help on their defense, they may have that 3rd match against the Steelers in the playoffs that I thought might happen in 2007.

3/1/08
1
kramer wrote:
I wish the Browns would trade Anderson, as a Steeler fan it would make life that much better in the division.  But I can't be biased about this, Anderson was solid all year.  The Browns are vastly improved, and you can thank Anderson for that this past season.  If they can get some help on their defense, they may have that 3rd match against the Steelers in the playoffs that I thought might happen in 2007.
I am not an Anderson fan...the reason the Browns were better is because of a better Offensive Line...anyone can look good with a good O-Line!  I am not saying Quinn is great but Anderson has only really played 1 full season...take away Joe Thomas and Steinbach and Quinn is in by the 4th game because Anderson's immoble a$$ is hurt

3/1/08
0
kramer wrote:
I wish the Browns would trade Anderson, as a Steeler fan it would make life that much better in the division.  But I can't be biased about this, Anderson was solid all year.  The Browns are vastly improved, and you can thank Anderson for that this past season.  If they can get some help on their defense, they may have that 3rd match against the Steelers in the playoffs that I thought might happen in 2007.
I am not an Anderson fan...the reason the Browns were better is because of a better Offensive Line...anyone can look good with a good O-Line!  I am not saying Quinn is great but Anderson has only really played 1 full season...take away Joe Thomas and Steinbach and Quinn is in by the 4th game because Anderson's immobile a$$ is hurt

3/1/08
0
kramer wrote:
I wish the Browns would trade Anderson, as a Steeler fan it would make life that much better in the division.  But I can't be biased about this, Anderson was solid all year.  The Browns are vastly improved, and you can thank Anderson for that this past season.  If they can get some help on their defense, they may have that 3rd match against the Steelers in the playoffs that I thought might happen in 2007.
I am not an Anderson fan...the reason the Browns were better is because of a better Offensive Line...anyone can look good with a good O-Line!  I am not saying Quinn is great but Anderson has only really played 1 full season...take away Joe Thomas and Steinbach and Quinn is in by the 4th game because Anderson's immobile a$$ is hurt

3/1/08
0
wow that went up 3 times!

3/1/08
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derms33 wrote:
I am not an Anderson fan...the reason the Browns were better is because of a better Offensive Line...anyone can look good with a good O-Line!  I am not saying Quinn is great but Anderson has only really played 1 full season...take away Joe Thomas and Steinbach and Quinn is in by the 4th game because Anderson's immobile a$$ is hurt
You might wanna pass that thought along to Charlie Frye, I'm sure he'd agree with you.

3/1/08
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kramer wrote:
You might wanna pass that thought along to Charlie Frye, I'm sure he'd agree with you.
i am sure he would...he held the ball too long..he has his own problems

3/1/08
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derms33 wrote:
i am sure he would...he held the ball too long..he has his own problems
That kinda throws off your logic of anyone being able to play well behind a good offensive line, doesn't it?  You do need a decent QB back there who knows how to make good decisions as well.

3/1/08
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kramer wrote:
That kinda throws off your logic of anyone being able to play well behind a good offensive line, doesn't it?  You do need a decent QB back there who knows how to make good decisions as well.
no it doesn't..he played one game behind that line before it jelled and before ryan tucker came back

3/1/08
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derms33 wrote:
no it doesn't..he played one game behind that line before it jelled and before ryan tucker came back

If you remember, Anderson came in the game, and that's when the Browns scored their only TD.  Anderson played better than Frye behind the same offensive line that day from the get-go.

3/1/08
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true..i didn't say ANderson wasn't better than Frye...I just am not sold on D.A. but unfortunately i may not have a choice...you Steeler fans seem to like him...you want him?  oh wait your o-line stinks even worse now w/o Faneca...Batch looks poised to start!

3/1/08
0
I think Ben will have a hard time escaping and may get hurt

3/1/08
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derms33 wrote:
true..i didn't say ANderson wasn't better than Frye...I just am not sold on D.A. but unfortunately i may not have a choice...you Steeler fans seem to like him...you want him?  oh wait your o-line stinks even worse now w/o Faneca...Batch looks poised to start!
I said up above "damn I wish the Browns would trade him."  That way the rest of the division wouldn't have to deal with him anymore.  Ben will be fine back there, and if need be Batch will be able to step in at a moment's notice.

3/1/08
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kramer wrote:
I said up above "damn I wish the Browns would trade him."  That way the rest of the division wouldn't have to deal with him anymore.  Ben will be fine back there, and if need be Batch will be able to step in at a moment's notice.
pitts really content with Batch? Are you seriously not worried about your O-Line?

3/1/08
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derms33 wrote:
pitts really content with Batch? Are you seriously not worried about your O-Line?
I said Batch can step in if he needs to.  He's a solid backuup.  There's still a long time until the start of training camp, and a long time to make moves to improve the O-line through the draft and free agency.  If it still looks this bleak in July, then I'll be worried.

5/13/08
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derms33 wrote:
I am not an Anderson fan...the reason the Browns were better is because of a better Offensive Line...anyone can look good with a good O-Line!  I am not saying Quinn is great but Anderson has only really played 1 full season...take away Joe Thomas and Steinbach and Quinn is in by the 4th game because Anderson's immoble a$$ is hurt
Not anyone,,, Frye started the season off behind that same offensive line and he and the line looked horrible. Although I do believe the line makes a QB look good, I believe a QB makes the line look good as well. Frye held onto the ball too long making the line look average, Anderson comes in with his quick thinking and release and all the sudden we have a top offensive line. I believe Anderson is a good QB but he really needs to work on his short passes. I don't believe you can plug ANY QB in here and be succesful.

5/14/08
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It wasn't, Frye just made the line look bad.

5/14/08
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Brownsfrk wrote:
Not anyone,,, Frye started the season off behind that same offensive line and he and the line looked horrible. Although I do believe the line makes a QB look good, I believe a QB makes the line look good as well. Frye held onto the ball too long making the line look average, Anderson comes in with his quick thinking and release and all the sudden we have a top offensive line. I believe Anderson is a good QB but he really needs to work on his short passes. I don't believe you can plug ANY QB in here and be succesful.
line wasn't exactly gelled...Frye was never any good and I don't really count him anyways!

5/15/08
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derms33 wrote:
line wasn't exactly gelled...Frye was never any good and I don't really count him anyways!
Then you should have said anyone but Frye......lol

 
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