Will the Bills and Lions Continue Their Hot Starts? [NFL Week 4 Live Thread]

10/2/11 in NFL   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Welcome to Week 4 of the NFL season. Week 4 is considered to be the week where we truly find out how good teams are. A 3-1 and even 4-0 start is usually enough to prove to the football world that your team is a contender, while a 1-3 or 0-4 start likely means it's time to think about next season and possibly sucking for Luck. There are only three undefeated teams left. One, the defending champion Green Bay Packers, isn't a surprise. The other two though, the Bills and Lions, certainly are. Both teams have big road tests this week. Here are this week's full slate of games.

1:00 PM Games:


Carolina at Chicago: The Bears were in the NFC title game last year, but come into this week one loss away from 1-3. The Cam Newton Show, meantime, was sidetracked by last week's monsoon, but he still got his first career win. The question is, as always, can the Bears protect Jay Cutler, and will Mike Martz remember he has Matt Forte?

Buffalo at Cincinnati: Classic trap game for the Bills after their big win last week. The Bengals are the best defense Buffalo's faced so far this year. Don't assume a blowout.

Tennessee at Cleveland: One of these teams is going to start 3-1. Really.

Detroit at Dallas: Huge road test for the Lions as they go for 4-0. It's a big game for the Cowboys too, as Tony Romo and his bum ribs meet Ndamukong Suh. Despite all the tongue bathing Romo has gotten for Monday's night's game, it must be remembered that Dallas didn't score a touchdown in that game. Miles Austin is inactive.

Minnesota at Kansas City: If this the game you're scheduled to be shown, find a way to watch something else.

Washington at St. Louis: It doesn't feel like the Rams are about to be 0-4, but for the most part they've looked awful. Luckily for the Rams, their division means there's still time to turn in around. That said, if they can't beat Rex Grossman at home, you can probably stick that fork in St. Louis.

San Francisco at Philadelphia: Michael Vick is active, but the Dream Team facade has quickly been crumbling for the 1-2 Eagles. The Niners meanwhile are 2-1, but they haven't particularly looked impressive doing it. Given San Francisco's struggles moving the ball, Philly's defensive issues shouldn't rear their ugly head today.

New Orleans at Jacksonville: Drew Brees vs. Blaine Gabbert doesn't even seem fair, does it?

Pittsburgh at Houston: Huge game for both teams. We truly don't know yet how good the Steelers are, as they have yet to impress this season. Houston, meanwhile, again has a "put up or shut up" game. Last week they couldn't hold on against the Saints. Can they fix their red zone problems this week, or are they a mirage yet again?

2:45 Green Flag:

IZOD IndyCar Series at Kentucky Speedway: 
OK, that one's for me mainly, but hey, Will Power's only up 11 points on Dario Franchitti in the championship, and Kentucky usually produces great action, so if the early games end up dogs, check it out.

4:00 PM Games:

N.Y. Giants at Arizona: Are the Giants any good or did they just take advantage of a struggling Eagles team? We get closer to finding out today against a Cardinals team that look woeful, particularly Kevin Kolb, who hasn't looked much better than Derek Anderson. If the Giants truly are a good team, they should have no issues with the Cardinals.

Atlanta at Seattle: On paper, this is a blowout, but Atlanta has been disappointing all season so far. If the Falcons don't get it together, they might actually be vulnerable at the always loud Qwest Field.

Denver at Green Bay: On paper, another blowout. However, the Packers have struggled finishing teams off so far this year, and haven't put together a complete game just yet. Since I still hate the Broncos (and John Elway) for Super Bowl XXXII, I hope that complete game happens today.

New England at Oakland: Oakland is coming off a big win against the Jets, while of course the Pats are coming off the tough loss to Buffalo. Tom Brady is 25-2 in his career coming off a loss. That's probably an omen, but watch to see if the Pats' maligned secondary can handle Denarius Moore.

Miami at San Diego: Miami will try to avoid an 0-4 start. The fact that they're playing the Chargers early in the season instead of late gives them a punchers chance.

Sunday Night Game:

N.Y. Jets at Baltimore:
 Rex Ryan returns to Baltimore in a big game for both teams. The loser will drop to 2-2 and have significant questions to answer.

Q it up here all day as Week 4 unfolds.
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10/3/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

kobe_lova wrote:

Cowboys, Eagles, Vikings, and Bills....REALLY?! You all suck. Poor Vikings fans though, that's four games lost in the 4th, in a row, right?

As for the Falcons, I hate them too. I thought as some point, they were literally trying to lose.

I am also not liking the inconsistency of certain calls throughout the NFL. I know in one obviously overlooked penalty yesterday, one of the idiot commentators, said, "You're a rookie, you're not gonna get that call..." Um, if it's the rule, it's the rule, ***!... unless you're Brady of course, then you get your own rules, but that's irrelevant at the moment. Helmet to helmet isn't being called consistently across the league in my opinion, and did they change the rules on Pass Interference cause goodness....I must be missing something.

 I couldn't believe it when the announcer said that. I said "what, so now people have to earn the right to get the right calls too?" (I know it was against my team but still)

10/3/11   |   kobe_lova   |   61971 respect

(Edited by kobe_lova)

Cowboys, Eagles, Vikings, and Bills....REALLY?! You all suck. Poor Vikings fans though, that's four games lost in the 4th, in a row, right?

As for the Falcons, I hate them too. I thought as some point, they were literally trying to lose.

I am also not liking the inconsistency of certain calls throughout the NFL. I know in one obviously overlooked penalty yesterday, one of the idiot commentators, said, "You're a rookie, you're not gonna get that call..." Um, if it's the rule, it's the rule, ***!... unless you're Brady of course, then you get your own rules, but that's irrelevant at the moment. Helmet to helmet isn't being called consistently across the league in my opinion, and did they change the rules on Pass Interference cause goodness....I must be missing something.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Travaris Jackson puts the Seahawks back in the game. 30-28 Falcons lead with 8 minutes left.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Eric_ wrote:
Ed Carpenter beats Dario Franchitti by .0098 seconds to win the IndyCar race. It's Carpenter's first win in 114 starts, and the first win for the part-time team Sarah Fisher Racing, who's owner gave birth 2 weeks ago. They did against the series Big Dog. Wow.

Oh, and the Packers are apparently up 14-3, so . I'm eventually going to start paying attention to football again, once I come down for this high.

Just so everyone knows what I was talking about earlier: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pauldalbey/6205372444/

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

When I finally turned on the Packers game, they were leading 21-3. It is now 21-17. I am clearly a jinx and/or the Packers defense clearly has issues. Probably both.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Ed Carpenter beats Dario Franchitti by .0098 seconds to win the IndyCar race. It's Carpenter's first win in 114 starts, and the first win for the part-time team Sarah Fisher Racing, who's owner gave birth 2 weeks ago. They did against the series Big Dog. Wow.

Oh, and the Packers are apparently up 14-3, so . I'm eventually going to start paying attention to football again, once I come down for this high.

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

SuperSerial wrote:
Man Romo did a great job for Detroit

So did the Dallas wideouts and Dallas Defense!

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

As much as I would love to be angry that Dallas blew another big lead, late in the game. I can't stop smiling that the dreaming team is 1-3. Maybe the Philadelphia Red Sox should spend more money next year!

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Man Romo did a great job for Detroit

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

(Edited by Joe_L)

Eagles lose to the 49'ers 24-23. The dream is over!
Dallas falls to the Lions 34-30.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Megatron with a spectacular catch in the back of the end zone. Lions take the lead 34-30 with 1:39 left.

10/2/11   |   HouTxFan   |   5177 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
That poor, poor kool-aid man. He looks sick.

   No insulting the Battle Red kool-aid guy.

10/2/11   |   Scott   |   53862 respect

 Romo throws another pick deep in Cowboy territory.  Lions have the ball inside the Cowboy 5 at the two minute warning down by 3

10/2/11   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

HouTxFan wrote:
Huge, huge win for the Texans!  I'm hoping this game gives them the confidence to develop the killer instinct they've lacked.  They got a win against a team like the Steelers, they did it without Andre Johnson for most of the game, and Arian Foster is back in a big way...hope this all adds up to getting the Texans over that damn "hump" that's always been in their way!

...Yeah...I'm drinkin' it!

That poor, poor kool-aid man. He looks sick.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

49'ers take the lead on the dreaming team. 24-23 with three minutes to play.

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

 I don't think Dallas or Detroit wants to win this game.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Bengals just beat the Bills on a 43 yard field goal 23-20. That's one of the 3 and 0's down.

10/2/11   |   HouTxFan   |   5177 respect

Huge, huge win for the Texans!  I'm hoping this game gives them the confidence to develop the killer instinct they've lacked.  They got a win against a team like the Steelers, they did it without Andre Johnson for most of the game, and Arian Foster is back in a big way...hope this all adds up to getting the Texans over that damn "hump" that's always been in their way!

...Yeah...I'm drinkin' it!

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

richard_cranium wrote:
 Detroit is shooting themselves in the foot right now, in Dallas territory, back to back penalties. Just got a first down, negated by a penalty. Would have been first and goal at the seven, now it is 2 and 12 at the 33.
(Edited by richard_cranium)

 Detroit is shooting themselves in the foot right now, in Dallas territory, back to back penalties. Just got a first down, negated by a penalty. Would have been first and goal at the seven, now it is 2 and 12 at the 33.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Ginger head Andy Dalton is better in his first 4 games than Palmer ever thought about being.

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Good game Steeler fans

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

Joe_L wrote:
Correction: Roethlisberger has one more now.


Texans win 17-10. Congrats to their fams.

Dallas game still has 8+ minutes left, they could still wind up tied.

10/2/11   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Chiefs win.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

richard_cranium wrote:
 You say Roethlisberger, I say Rapeyoursister. Same thing.

Correction: Roethlisberger has one more now.


Texans win 17-10. Congrats to their fams.

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

(Edited by richard_cranium)

 You say Roethlisberger, I say Rapeyoursister. Same thing.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

These games are going to the wire to taunt me, right?

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

richard_cranium wrote:
 I'll put the first pick six on Romo, the second was a great catch by the Detroit corner.

Detroit got 14 points in the 3rd quarter and their offense didn't even take the field till there was 37 seconds left in the quarter.

I think he still has fewer turnovers on the year than Rapeyoursister had in Week 1.

It's Roethlisberger and they are now tied on the season with 4. Although, Romo leads giving the other team points with his.

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

(Edited by richard_cranium)

 I'll put the first pick six on Romo, the second was a great catch by the Detroit corner.

Detroit got 14 points in the 3rd quarter and their offense didn't even take the field till there was 37 seconds left in the quarter.

I think he still has fewer turnovers on the year than Rapeyoursister had in Week 1.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

richard_cranium wrote:
It figures, Bobby Carpenter hasn't had a good play in his NFL career, then when he is playing Dallas he picks off a pass that leads to a Detroit TD!

I see Romo has let the Lions back in the game, throwing his second pick 6 of the day.

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

 Big Play Babs with a pick 6 in Cleveland. Former Hawks are doing great against their old coach today.

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

Eric_ wrote:
Also, I can't say I like that attitude, as it perpetuates the belief (which the media pushes with relish) that football is the Only Sport That Matters.

I can't help it...I love hockey equally as much as football, but the NHL has games all throughout the week too. They can just leave Sunday alone. Football primarily plays on Sunday, and the season is much shorter. While the media may push that it's the only sport that matters, I don't believe that - I simply recognize the fact that the NFL plays fewer games per week and season, and I want to enjoy them without missing something else I love in the process.

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

(Edited by richard_cranium)

It figures, Bobby Carpenter hasn't had a good play in his NFL career, then when he is playing Dallas he picks off a pass that leads to a Detroit TD!

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Jess wrote:
Other sports should never ever schedule events on football day. I say that with hockey too...ticks me off when the Ducks play on Sunday during football season.

Also, I can't say I like that attitude, as it perpetuates the belief (which the media pushes with relish) that football is the Only Sport That Matters.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Jess wrote:
Other sports should never ever schedule events on football day. I say that with hockey too...ticks me off when the Ducks play on Sunday during football season.

It's certainly an issue, this need to capitulate to king football. It's run Saturday evenings or never run in the fall. The crowd is telling IndyCar running now was a bad decision. *sigh*

10/2/11   |   Scott   |   53862 respect

 Redskins teeing off on Bradford now.  No way in hell he lasts the whole year with this offensive line blocking

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

Joe_L wrote:
No kidding, in one of fantasy leagues I have Calvin Johnson, Javid Best and Buffalo kicker Rian Lindell playing right now. Lindell is the leading scorer of the three.

No joke, Hanson nose dived into the field and Sean Lissemore took the kickoff and rumbled for 38 yards.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

richard_cranium wrote:
 Rough day when your special teams lets a D-lineman take the second half kickoff return for 38 yards. I am starting to feel bad for the Lions at this point.

No kidding, in one of fantasy leagues I have Calvin Johnson, Javid Best and Buffalo kicker Rian Lindell playing right now. Lindell is the leading scorer of the three.

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

Eric_ wrote:
IndyCar time. Anyone with me?

*tumbleweeds go by*

Damn.
(Edited by Jess)

Other sports should never ever schedule events on football day. I say that with hockey too...ticks me off when the Ducks play on Sunday during football season.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

IndyCar time. Anyone with me?

*tumbleweeds go by*

Damn.

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

 Rough day when your special teams lets a D-lineman take the second half kickoff return for 38 yards. I am starting to feel bad for the Lions at this point.

10/2/11   |   Scott   |   53862 respect

Jess wrote:
I thought for sure they'd take the division this year, with ease. And what's weird is, knowing that my team isn't going to do it any time soon I was OK with that..I'm not so much OK with either of the other teams 

In all honesty, I'd be surprised if they win 4 games  The schedule alone was tough enough but this team continues to self destruct with dropped passes, crappy line play on both sides of the ball, stupid penalties and missed tackles.  To make matters worse, the coaching staff looks like they have no idea how to fix things

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

HOUSTON -- Houston receiver Andre Johnson has left the Texans' game against the Steelers with an right hamstring injury and his return is questionable.

per espn

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
Jacksonville is special. (check the yard marks)

Special is about the best word used to describe Jacksonville.

As for the yard marks.

10/2/11   |   HouTxFan   |   5177 respect

 Early "unofficial" word is that Andre Johnson has a hamstring injury.  I'll for sure take that over a knee injury!

10/2/11   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

(Edited by Jess)

Jacksonville is special. (check the yard marks)

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Not here.  I am on several sites, and on CBS sports, the Seattle fans are saying it's a conspiracy, lol

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

Joe_L wrote:
Hasselbeck is apparently what the Titans needed. As they lead at the half 21-6.

Hasselbeck has always been better than Seattle let him be. I'm happy to see him doing well.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

HouTxFan wrote:
I can't believe all the stupid penalties!  

If not for those stupid penalties this game would be all but over, I have no doubt.

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

SuperSerial wrote:
Seattle fans blaming the refs again for Steelers getting breaks, lol

 Where the heck did that come from?


10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

Eric_ wrote:
Joe Buck sounds excited again. I'm sure it's no coincidence he's calling a Cowboys game.

 The good news is that after today, no Joe F**k for about a month! I hope the baseball playoffs never end!

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Hasselbeck is apparently what the Titans needed. As they lead at the half 21-6.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Joe Buck sounds excited again. I'm sure it's no coincidence he's calling a Cowboys game.

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Seattle fans blaming the refs again for Steelers getting breaks, lol

10/2/11   |   HouTxFan   |   5177 respect

Joe_L wrote:
Well can't deny the Texans are doing everything in their power to keep the Steelers in this game.

I can't believe all the stupid penalties!  

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Daniel Manning, you win the idiot of the day award.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Well can't deny the Texans are doing everything in their power to keep the Steelers in this game.

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

Scott wrote:
 Sam Bradford and the Rams have regressed since the end of last year.  They are well on their way to being 0-8 by the time November comes around

I thought for sure they'd take the division this year, with ease. And what's weird is, knowing that my team isn't going to do it any time soon I was OK with that..I'm not so much OK with either of the other teams 

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

Joe_L wrote:
Redskins take a 14-0 lead on the Rams.

Guess I should have known better than to root for the other 3 NFC East teams to lose. Since they are all playing the NFL's equivalent of the NCAA's FCS better known as the NFC West!

10/2/11   |   Scott   |   53862 respect

 Sam Bradford and the Rams have regressed since the end of last year.  They are well on their way to being 0-8 by the time November comes around

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Eagles at the goal line never ceases to amuse.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Redskins take a 14-0 lead on the Rams.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

HouTxFan wrote:
 

Hopefully Andre walking to the locker room on his own will maybe a plus.

10/2/11   |   HouTxFan   |   5177 respect

Joe_L wrote:
That's not good for the Texans. Andre Johnson just dropped to the ground untouched grabbing his right knee. 

 

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Omg Casey pulled a Rosencopter

10/2/11   |   richard_cranium   |   17679 respect

 Considering the number of Cowboys players, playing or out with injuries, I expected this Dallas/Detroit game to be going much differently.

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Yep, talk about horrible news.  And he's such a great player.  No one wants to see him gone.  He makes the game better.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

(Edited by Joe_L)

That's not good for the Texans. Andre Johnson just dropped to the ground untouched grabbing his right knee. 

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

I hate you Devin Hester. I hate you so much.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Chief_aka_James wrote:
While I love Gus for basketball, he's average at best for football. It really isn't that great to listen to.

I concur, but I figured Gus means there's a chance of late game insanity.

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

(Edited by Jess)

 Just read this:

Atlanta at Seattle: On paper, this is a blowout, but Atlanta has been disappointing all season so far. If the Falcons don't get it together, they might actually be vulnerable at the always loud Qwest Field.

I know Hawks fans are probably the only ones who know this but it's CenturyLink Field now (or the C'Link, as the 12th Man has already dubbed it). I don't know though, the Hawks and fans will probably always refer to it as Seahawks Stadium regardless of its sponsor.

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Thanks Joe L for directions, lol

10/2/11   |   SuperSerial   |   161 respect

Hello fans.  Go Texans!!!!!!!!!!!!

10/2/11   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Eric_ wrote:
When I implied the Vikings-Chiefs was unwatchable, I didn't realize Gus Johnson was calling it. So it's got that going for it, which is nice.

While I love Gus for basketball, he's average at best for football. It really isn't that great to listen to.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Excellent, the Steelers defense and offense are nonexistent.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

When I implied the Vikings-Chiefs was unwatchable, I didn't realize Gus Johnson was calling it. So it's got that going for it, which is nice.

10/2/11   |   Jess   |   34885 respect

Watching Hasselbeck & Co. take on Holmgren's crew right now. Oh..and GO MARIANI! too (that was for my mom).

I won't be here when my hawks are playing...I can be found on twitter at that point, where my expletives can fly freely.

10/2/11   |   Eric_   |   7716 respect

Helluva opening drive by the Texans, who score a touchdown and chew up almost 11 minutes of clock.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Steelers defense has not showed up to the game yet. Texans march right down the field, take the lead 7-0.

10/2/11   |   kobe_lova   |   61971 respect

Joe_L wrote:
Go Steelers!!...Seahawks at 4.

  You know I  you. 

10/2/11   |   HouTxFan   |   5177 respect

 

10/2/11   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Cassel left one in the middle, tipped by the WR, and right into the hands of Antonie Winfield...he thankfully can't catch it though, and Succop makes the FG. 3-0 Chiefs.

10/2/11   |   Chief_aka_James   |   3307 respect

Chiefs get helped out on their opening drive, was going to go down for a sack on 3rd down, Vikings player got Cassel's facemask though and drive has continued inside the 20.

10/2/11   |   Joe_L   |   12372 respect

Go Steelers!!...Seahawks at 4.

10/2/11   |   kobe_lova   |   61971 respect

 Go Falcons!!! .....Texans right now.