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6/17/08
Willie Randolph Fired By The Mets
The Mets Finally Free Willie
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This shouldn't exactly come as a shock to anyone, but the Mets have finally fired Willie Randolph.

The AP is reporting that Randolph was ignominiously let go in the middle of the night about two hours after the Mets' 9-6 victory over the Angels on Monday night. The timing was a little curious as the Mets had won two in a row and are now almost back at .500 (34-35), combined with the fact that they weren't in New York. Bench coach Jerry Manuel will take over on an interim basis.

Pitching coach Rick Peterson and first base coach Tom Nieto also got the gate in what is an enormous overhaul for the team.

Ken Oberkfell, the club's manager at Triple-A New Orleans, and Dan Warthen, pitching coach for the Zephyrs, will join the major league staff along with Luis Aguayo, a Mets field coordinator.

Obviously the meeting that Randolph had only a few weeks ago with Omar Minaya and the team owners, where Minaya said "Willie has my support. He has the support of our ownership," was pretty much a total lie. He never had anyone's support.

You may remember Randolph brought up the race issue as he detailed the way he'd been shown by SNY, the team's TV network. He quickly apologized for that, but it didn't exactly endear him to anyone in the Mets organization, a club which has consistently looked to hire minority candidates of late.

The truth is the Mets pretty much had to make this move. They're a $138 million dollar team that has a 162-game trailing record of basically .500 ball. Not to mention that Randolph was at the helm for one of the worst late season collapses in the history of baseball last year. It's somewhat surprising he wasn't just canned after that debacle.

Right now this team is a mess, and while this total shakeup is a move to revive the team, I think you can pretty much count them out now for the year.

Omar Minaya has also got to be on the hot seat, considering he's the architect for this lumbering, overpaid, inconsistent squad.

Feel free to weigh in with your thoughts and opinions about the firing in the comments.
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6/17/08
5

As a black man, I'm sad to see him go. I thought it was a great thing for a black man from my hometown, from my neighborhood, who played for my favorite team, to be managing my favorite team.

However, being a die hard Mets fan, I ecstatic that he got the boot. I have seen him over manage and throw away way too many games. for me, his last bonehead move was the straw that broke the camel's back. Case in point, Johan Santana's last start we was pitching 3 hit ball through 7 innings with 10 strikeouts and a 4 run lead. CLEARLY dominating. Willie inexplicably takes him out and hands the game over to a bulllpen he KNOWS is shaky. The bullpen surrenders the lead, the Mets lose.

Willie is a nice guy, a great role model and a NY icon...blah blah blah.. In NY, you have to WIN WIN WIN or you're done.

Bye Willie.


6/17/08
3

I might be alone on this, but I think they are blaming the wrong person for their failures.  If you spend that much money on a team, just so you can put an all-star roster together, you have to hold the players accountable for such a lousy season, not the manager.  I disagreed with the media for touting him as the greatest manager in the world a couple of years ago for the same reason too.

 

*note to Braves management*  Rick Pederson is available.  Dump Roger McDowell immediately!


6/17/08
0
Great move by the Mets! When things are not going well for a team, the manager or coach always is the first to go. Everyone knows that, even Willie. Anyone who takes a job as a coach or manager in sports has to realize that there is a very good chance they will be let go sooner or later. It is reality. Is it only me or does everyone wonder why AA coaches cry race when things are going bad but, you never hear of a white guy using that card.

6/17/08
5

As a black man, I'm sad to see him go. I thought it was a great thing for a black man from my hometown, from my neighborhood, who played for my favorite team, to be managing my favorite team.

However, being a die hard Mets fan, I ecstatic that he got the boot. I have seen him over manage and throw away way too many games. for me, his last bonehead move was the straw that broke the camel's back. Case in point, Johan Santana's last start we was pitching 3 hit ball through 7 innings with 10 strikeouts and a 4 run lead. CLEARLY dominating. Willie inexplicably takes him out and hands the game over to a bulllpen he KNOWS is shaky. The bullpen surrenders the lead, the Mets lose.

Willie is a nice guy, a great role model and a NY icon...blah blah blah.. In NY, you have to WIN WIN WIN or you're done.

Bye Willie.


6/17/08
2

I think this move is horrible one for the franchise. Wille has turned this team around since he took over and has reached the play-offs with earlier teams that might not look as great on paper as this team did. And people can blame him for last season's collapse, but I have to lean towards the players were the ones that gave up. Everyone started believing their own hype and thought they should be in just off of their clout.

Now this season has not been an improvement over the last one's, and some players still have a bitter taste. Personally, I agree and disagree with comments that Billy Wagner said earlier. True some of the higher paid players need to step up and take leadership, not only in the clubhouse, but in the media as well (I'm looking at you Carlos, take your choice). But Wagner is also pitching the same attitude that got him kicked out of Philly.

And finally, it seems the Mets became like the Yanks of recent, where they seem more concerned with signing 'right now' players instead of producing their farm system. Some of the best players on the squad are home grown, Reyes and Wright, no different than early '90's Yanks with Jeter and Posada. Ryan Church and Carlos Beltran will progress with the team while they still have youth on their side. But we dealt away Kazmir, and I can only imagine what else we might give up in order to get another Luis Castillo or Carlos Delgado. This season has made the Mets look like the Knicks of the MLB. The Mets need to stop looking towards the cross town rivals for inspiration, and need to look at the Rays or Angels for producing some qulaity players through their youth and farm systems.

Good bye Willie, Like Avery Johnson, I hope you get your ring elsewhere.


6/17/08
1
primo wrote:

I think this move is horrible one for the franchise. Wille has turned this team around since he took over and has reached the play-offs with earlier teams that might not look as great on paper as this team did. And people can blame him for last season's collapse, but I have to lean towards the players were the ones that gave up. Everyone started believing their own hype and thought they should be in just off of their clout.

Now this season has not been an improvement over the last one's, and some players still have a bitter taste. Personally, I agree and disagree with comments that Billy Wagner said earlier. True some of the higher paid players need to step up and take leadership, not only in the clubhouse, but in the media as well (I'm looking at you Carlos, take your choice). But Wagner is also pitching the same attitude that got him kicked out of Philly.

And finally, it seems the Mets became like the Yanks of recent, where they seem more concerned with signing 'right now' players instead of producing their farm system. Some of the best players on the squad are home grown, Reyes and Wright, no different than early '90's Yanks with Jeter and Posada. Ryan Church and Carlos Beltran will progress with the team while they still have youth on their side. But we dealt away Kazmir, and I can only imagine what else we might give up in order to get another Luis Castillo or Carlos Delgado. This season has made the Mets look like the Knicks of the MLB. The Mets need to stop looking towards the cross town rivals for inspiration, and need to look at the Rays or Angels for producing some qulaity players through their youth and farm systems.

Good bye Willie, Like Avery Johnson, I hope you get your ring elsewhere.

Did Randolph really turn this team around?  It seemed to me that he was in the right place at the right time.  They started winning and competing for the NL east under Valentine.  They had a good core of players, brought in Randolph, then bought "right now" players.

 

Nothing against Randolph, I think he's a good guy that will land on his feet somewhere.  But there wasn't a whole lot of coaching that needed to be done with the line-up that he was given.


6/17/08
1
darn that sad gonna miss him an  am a YANKEE FAN

6/17/08
2

Actually Art Howe inherited the team after Bobby and he did an underachievement with the team he was given. The Mets were in a decline since 2001 and Willie brought them back to respectability in 2005 where they finished in 3rd and 7 out of first. This year's team should be a better producing team, not only with the bats, but with pitching and defense.

 

I believe that Willie is made a scapegoat for a team full of overblown egos and media shy players. Jerry Manuel had a good run with the White Sox and I hope he does good (for my team's sake), but I think the best NY managers have been NY type of guys, best exemplified by Bobby V.


6/17/08
1

I forgot about Howe.  Oh yeaaaa.

 

If anyone should be at fault for this (other than the players), it should be Minaya.  He's the one that put this group of huge egos together.  Like sir Primo said, if they would have stuck with the core group of youngsters and brought up kids from their farm (which was pretty good before all of the trades), ole Willie would be sitting pretty right now and one of the best pitching coaches in the game wouldn't be unemployed right now.


6/17/08
1
dobrian69 wrote:
Great move by the Mets! When things are not going well for a team, the manager or coach always is the first to go. Everyone knows that, even Willie. Anyone who takes a job as a coach or manager in sports has to realize that there is a very good chance they will be let go sooner or later. It is reality. Is it only me or does everyone wonder why AA coaches cry race when things are going bad but, you never hear of a white guy using that card.
White guys don't use the race card because we have never been "held back" if you will. Being a white male is probably the least discriminated against race/sex bracket there is.

6/17/08
0
I hope we can still say that next year............................

6/17/08
2

I'm a die hard Mets fan and I don't necessarily believe it was his fault but the firing had to be done. A statement had to be made by the front office that things are gonna change. Obviously the team wasn't responding to his managing style. I believe that Randolph is a quiet guy who doesn't argue many calls.  He just doesn't show that fiery spirit to manage in NY. I think Jerry Manuel the bench coach has been kicked out of more games than Willie has and that is really sad.  Jerry Manuel is no different then Willie though, he is also quiet.  Jerry is definetly not gonna solve much but it's gonna have to do for now. 

I also believe that Minaya should absolutely fire himself along with them! Instead of developing or trying to find a good outfielder, he continues keeping and signing all these players that our way past there prime.  He continues to believe that Alou and Pedro are the answers to there problems. How can Alou be the answer when he plays on an avg of 60 games a season.  And Pedro can't pitch more than 3 games in a row without going on the DL.  He lets go of a developing Gotay but keeps a 39 yr old Easley, too me that doesn't make any sense. And I hope the Trot Nixon deal goes good for us cause we need it.


6/18/08
1
tpowell25 wrote:

I forgot about Howe.  Oh yeaaaa.

 

If anyone should be at fault for this (other than the players), it should be Minaya.  He's the one that put this group of huge egos together.  Like sir Primo said, if they would have stuck with the core group of youngsters and brought up kids from their farm (which was pretty good before all of the trades), ole Willie would be sitting pretty right now and one of the best pitching coaches in the game wouldn't be unemployed right now.

I agree with you. Omar did little during the off season except to get Johan Santana. They traded Kazmir and Jacobs, both decent prospects in there system. I think Jacobs would have been a better candidate to keep and have as there catcher now. Delgado is a waste of money to me. They needed better pitching and didn't get it. I feel all the players don't have that "spark" they did throughout last season. They all seem dull and underachieving. The errors on the field are disgusting. I feel bad Willie got fired, but at the same time, he had a habit of keeping pitchers in to give up five or six more runs before removing them. The game Pelfrey pitched last week, he took him out in the 9th, only to have the game blown with the next two batters. Pelfrey would've won that game if he just left him to face the next two batters in my opinion. Randolph's decisions at times put into question his actually ability to make smart moves when needed. I feel he was a little to quiet in holding his players performances accountable as well. And What happened to Pedro stepping up as he said in the beginning of the season to get his team motivated? He's been pretty quiet. I am still disgusted by there collapse last year and have been bummed with them thus far this year. I think there pretty much done for the season. I just hope they get a manager they can rely on for next year.  I am hoping it's Wally Backman.

6/18/08
1
tpowell25 wrote:

I might be alone on this, but I think they are blaming the wrong person for their failures.  If you spend that much money on a team, just so you can put an all-star roster together, you have to hold the players accountable for such a lousy season, not the manager.  I disagreed with the media for touting him as the greatest manager in the world a couple of years ago for the same reason too.

 

*note to Braves management*  Rick Pederson is available.  Dump Roger McDowell immediately!

It would be nice if they could hold the players accountable for poor performance, like docking them a few million from there over inflated salaries, along with there egos.

6/19/08
0
(Edited by j_dogs_ny)
nymetsfan wrote:
I agree with you. Omar did little during the off season except to get Johan Santana. They traded Kazmir and Jacobs, both decent prospects in there system. I think Jacobs would have been a better candidate to keep and have as there catcher now. Delgado is a waste of money to me. They needed better pitching and didn't get it. I feel all the players don't have that "spark" they did throughout last season. They all seem dull and underachieving. The errors on the field are disgusting. I feel bad Willie got fired, but at the same time, he had a habit of keeping pitchers in to give up five or six more runs before removing them. The game Pelfrey pitched last week, he took him out in the 9th, only to have the game blown with the next two batters. Pelfrey would've won that game if he just left him to face the next two batters in my opinion. Randolph's decisions at times put into question his actually ability to make smart moves when needed. I feel he was a little to quiet in holding his players performances accountable as well. And What happened to Pedro stepping up as he said in the beginning of the season to get his team motivated? He's been pretty quiet. I am still disgusted by there collapse last year and have been bummed with them thus far this year. I think there pretty much done for the season. I just hope they get a manager they can rely on for next year.  I am hoping it's Wally Backman.

I like wally backman also for a coach I personally would like to see Larry Bowa. the guy has a fiery spirit and always backs his players up.


6/21/08
0
j_dogs_ny wrote:

I like wally backman also for a coach I personally would like to see Larry Bowa. the guy has a fiery spirit and always backs his players up.

Larry Bowa would be a decent choice as well. At this point, I just want to see some action and wins.lol.

6/23/08
0
I agree 100% with you

6/23/08
0
nymetsfan wrote:
Larry Bowa would be a decent choice as well. At this point, I just want to see some action and wins.lol.
I agree 100% with you whatever and whoever it takes.

7/8/08
1
j_dogs_ny wrote:
I agree 100% with you whatever and whoever it takes.
I have to say I am happy with the job Manuel is doing thus far. Whatever he is putting into there heads, it seems to be changing there attitude towards playing. Like Beltran commented in an interview the other day, " We have the desire to win now." I am pleased minus Wagner's heartattacks he gives me everytime he comes in to close.lol.

7/8/08
1
nymetsfan wrote:
I have to say I am happy with the job Manuel is doing thus far. Whatever he is putting into there heads, it seems to be changing there attitude towards playing. Like Beltran commented in an interview the other day, " We have the desire to win now." I am pleased minus Wagner's heartattacks he gives me everytime he comes in to close.lol.
I am really surprised and I agree he so far has done a great job you can really see the difference in the way they are playing.  They are playing like the amazin's, hopefully they continue  to play hard and not give up. 1st place is ours for the taking!

7/10/08
0
j_dogs_ny wrote:
I am really surprised and I agree he so far has done a great job you can really see the difference in the way they are playing.  They are playing like the amazin's, hopefully they continue  to play hard and not give up. 1st place is ours for the taking!
I am excited they moved to 1 .5 games out. I like other fans, don't want to be too optomistic, but if they keep it up, we have a chance. For once you can see Reyes smiling like he usually does and you see them more into playing and enjoying themselves. This is how I love to watch them. They actually won five in a row too. I hope they keep this going. Got my fingers crossed.lol.

 
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