ALCS Game 1
Game Time: Fri, Oct 15 @ 8:00 PM ET
Final
New York Yankees
New York Yankees
(53-48)
6 Win: D. Moseley (2-7)
Save: M. Rivera (20)
Texas Rangers
Texas Rangers
(40-62)
5 Loss: D. O`Day (0-1)
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YEP!
10/25/10

to bad i was voting for rangers!!!
10/18/10

wrote: You keep talking about that, What should he do volunteer to take less money than the market Value for other players that are less talented. Are you going to go in to your boss and ask for a pay cut because you think they are paying you way too much money?
The question was, who wouldn't want to be Jeter with his 7 rings. And I pointed out that the real reason one would want to be in Jeter's position was his $22 million salary. The rings are merely a byproduct of the team spending what they do. I generally don't blame players for going after the money. You aren't seeing the bigger picture here. I don't care what the players make. If all teams could fairly compete financially with all players making $100 million a year, great for everyone. But the fact is, they don't. There are teams that just cannot compete financially. Which makes for an unbalanced league. This is bad for the game. ALL teams need to be able to compete with the teams that make a ton of money.
Texas Rangers 10/18/10

The Yankees spent way more than anyone even before Steinbrenner owned the team. In fact, the only Yankee owners who DIDN'T spend was CBS in the late '60's and early '70's. And guess what? The Yankees sucked then!
Texas Rangers 10/18/10

wrote: Are you kidding me????? Don't you realize that most of the players that are financially set for life already just want to play for a team that puts the players around them to give them an opportunity to win. You have so many facts,Can you tell me how many teams can you name that have more players that was brought up through their own farm system than the Yankees?
Yes, nearly all players are financially set for life. But that has never stopped them from bailing out of a great offer for one that paid a dime more. Players are like that. Name me the last player to go to the Yankees when his old team offered him more... It never happened. The very first team I looked up (Rays) had more players on their roster from their own draft picks than the Yankees had. And I suspect there are many many more out there. But that is not the point. The point is the Yankees can afford to KEEP any good player they get while other teams have to let them go. You don't think the Rays would love to keep Crawford around? They can't afford him and he's too greedy to stick around on a WINNING team.
Texas Rangers 10/18/10

wrote: And don't forget his $22.6 MILLION salary....
You keep talking about that, What should he do volunteer to take less money than the market Value for other players that are less talented. Are you going to go in to your boss and ask for a pay cut because you think they are paying you way too much money?
New York Yankees 10/18/10

wrote: That is a paranoid conclusion. If the Yankees still won under a reasonable cap, at least 80% of the complaining would turn to praise for an excellently run organization. The thing is, I don't think the Yankees are a well run organization and win mainly because of the money they spend. It doesn't take great baseball minds to say, let's buy the best first baseman and starting pitchers out there. Or to re-sign the really good players you already have. All it takes is money. Further, Hughes hasn't been in the Majors long enough to make $11 million. When he becomes arbitration eligible, and he is half way good, he will get it and then some. And the Yankees won't even flinch about doing it. Because they have it and even more...
They have won 27 World Championship, they have been winning long before the Stienbrenners came into the team, and long before George started outspending everyone else. What was the reason they were winning then?
New York Yankees 10/18/10

wrote: How little you understand... Jeter remains a Yankee because they are willing to spend more than anyone else AND they have no infield prospect to replace him. I promise you that if they had a hot shot SS ready to come up now, Jeter would be let go faster than you can say A-Rod. Further, if there was another team willing to spend more than the Yankees offer (An impossibility, I know but for the sake of this point, just go with it...) Jeter would bail out just as fast.
Are you kidding me????? Don't you realize that most of the players that are financially set for life already just want to play for a team that puts the players around them to give them an opportunity to win. You have so many facts,Can you tell me how many teams can you name that have more players that was brought up through their own farm system than the Yankees?
New York Yankees 10/18/10

Hey, hey everyone... Did I miss anything.?? At least we have a chance today.. GO RANGERS,,,,,
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
i love it !.... WTG ML31 ! ^5 ................ when they had to win just ONE game to secure 1st place they didnt ...............GOOOOOO TEXASSSSSSS !.......ABY!
10/16/10

wrote: That's why the team can afford to pay millions for the players, so they have a great product. then when they sell out even the people that can't afford to pay thousands can see the game on TV so they become lifelong fans too
No, attendance is not why teams can't afford players. It is a number of things, the largest being local TV revenue. That can only go so high and is different in different markets. If the Rays made YES money, they would probably be good for a very long time. They could keep Crawford and the rest around for as long as they like. But they don't, so they can't even though they want to....
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: They don't see that though, they just hate us because we win win win. But the players are motivated to win because the owners are motivated and the fans are motivated and supportive always!
You are blind. People don't hate the Yankees because they "win win win". They hate the Yankees because they SPEND SPEND SPEND when no one else can. All owners are just as motivated to win as the Steinbrenners. They just don't have access to the same resources.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: He won't complain either because he knows when his time comes he is going to get paid! Teams that really want to win will go over the cap and pay the luxury tax to keep the good players. They just want to win and it's worth it for them, it would be worth it for the small market teams too if they wasn't so tight with the purse strings
There is no cap. And teams that have the money have no problem paying that worthless "luxury tax". How would losing money every year be worth it to the low revenue teams?
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: You mentioned Jeter here is someone who spent his entire career from the minors till now in the same organization he wasn't "brought in" and they kept him all these years cause they kept investing to pay for him so people have a product to go to.
How little you understand... Jeter remains a Yankee because they are willing to spend more than anyone else AND they have no infield prospect to replace him. I promise you that if they had a hot shot SS ready to come up now, Jeter would be let go faster than you can say A-Rod. Further, if there was another team willing to spend more than the Yankees offer (An impossibility, I know but for the sake of this point, just go with it...) Jeter would bail out just as fast.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: Sorry I guess i ran ML31 off.. He started a good argument though, he just didn't have any facts just emotions. I love you though man, I hope to see you next year when the Yanks come to Oakland in August
ROTFLMAO!!!!! Facts? I bring a number of facts and then draw reasoned conclusions. What facts do you have? The fallacy that every team is capable of spending like the Yankees do? What on Earth could lead you to that conclusion?

I don't get to many Major League games anyway. I am mostly a Giants guy so I go to Phone Company park once, maybe twice a year. But I hit a lot of minor league games. Much cheaper in many ways, just as fun.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: Trust me they will come with something else to complain about.. They don't see further then the faults of their own. Hell and this is a free market and their own team doesn't spend imagine with a cap..They will pay what they got with peanuts and a team like New York or Boston or Chicago will pay the means as long as it doesn't go over the cap and still they will complain. Phil Hughes is one of the most under rated pitchers in this rotation and one of the most effective, his salary is 447,000, I don't think he has complain on why say Andy Petitte is making 11,750,000
That is a paranoid conclusion. If the Yankees still won under a reasonable cap, at least 80% of the complaining would turn to praise for an excellently run organization. The thing is, I don't think the Yankees are a well run organization and win mainly because of the money they spend. It doesn't take great baseball minds to say, let's buy the best first baseman and starting pitchers out there. Or to re-sign the really good players you already have. All it takes is money. Further, Hughes hasn't been in the Majors long enough to make $11 million. When he becomes arbitration eligible, and he is half way good, he will get it and then some. And the Yankees won't even flinch about doing it. Because they have it and even more...
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: Honestly which player don't want to be like Derek Jeter with like 7 rings
And don't forget his $22.6 MILLION salary....
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: And it seems obvious to us, but these fans all seem to think it's somebody else fault. The Yankees have never held a gun to anyone head and forced them to take the money and come play for them
Why would you "force" someone to take the highest bid? If you Yankee fans could only hear yourselves....
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
No, they know exactly why the free agents to elsewhere. Because those players are looking for the highest payday. I don't blame them for that... To a point. But the other side of the coin is that you can't blame owners for not spending what they don't have either. Like I said... It's a vicious cycle.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
It's not happening in the NBA or NFL or even the NHL for that matter. Why? Because those leagues have SALARY CAPS! All teams are on similar financial footing. It makes the league on the whole stronger and it means the fans still have hope.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
You have to ask yourself why Oakland won't pay. Could it possibly be because the team just doesn't have the money to raise the payroll that significantly? Why are you assuming everyone has access to the same amount of income?
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

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So, you would be mad at the guy who only has $12,000 when he doesn't buy the $30,000 car. Funny that you bring up Rivera... He was signed as an amateur free agent. Many teams courted him but again, even at the amateur level, the Yankee money gets them the foreign prospect.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
Fans will show up for a winner. In nearly every market. Fans coming to the games is not the problem. In fact, in today's game gate is not the main source of income anymore. It is TV. And teams in KC or Pittsburgh will simply not get the money from their local TV that the Yankees get even if they won their division every year and maxed out on ratings and ads. That is the problem.

What would you propose to fix it?
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
You don't know what I'm talking about because either you are incapable of understanding the facts or unwilling to understand the facts. No one cares that George started the YES network with his Yankee profits. What bothers people is that no one else CAN in any other market do it with even a smidgen of success they could get if they were in New York.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
Wrong. 7 of those 9 years the Yankees finished the season in first place. There seem to be only a couple of markets in baseball where fans DON'T come out for winning teams. Further, NY has one of the largest capacity stadiums in the game and play in the largest market in the game. There are teams that play in smaller parks in smaller markets that draw like crazy even when the team sucks.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: Sorry. The City of New York paid $220 million towards it. George didn't buy a TV station to show games, he created a new cable network to show games. Other teams have done that, too. Some have failed. Some have worked, but not like it would work if they were in New York. Face it. A huge factor in the Yankee success is geography. Which makes for poor competition. And why MLB is terribly unpopular on a national basis.
OK I give you that NY is unique, I have to go we will finish this later!
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote:
Partially correct. You are right that there are many markets where the owners will not get a return, or even break even if they were to spend more money on players. And, they would still never be able to compete with the big spenders on a regular basis. So no one can blame them for not even trying. But... If there were media revenue sharing and a salary cap that teams like the Rays could actually reach... I promise you more owners would start trying because they would see that on the field success was suddenly possible.

Remember... The choice for many owners is 1) make $40 million a year and suck or 2) make $1 million a year and be mediocre. Which would you opt for?
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: You can't spend what you DON'T HAVE. A previous owner of the Fish tried to spend spend spend. He lost a ton of money and sold the team. Why are you not understanding this?
Because he is in a market where the team is not supported, it's a catch 22. but that is exactly what I'm trying to tell you, if the fans don't support the teams the owners are not going to spend because it's a sink hole. If the fan base is there to support he won't be losing money so he has no problem spending. What do you mean you can't spend what you don't have? Do you know what the financial requirement is before they will consider letting you in the owners club? You have to be seriously rich! They are duping you into thinking they don't have the money
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote:
Sorry. The City of New York paid $220 million towards it. George didn't buy a TV station to show games, he created a new cable network to show games. Other teams have done that, too. Some have failed. Some have worked, but not like it would work if they were in New York. Face it. A huge factor in the Yankee success is geography. Which makes for poor competition. And why MLB is terribly unpopular on a national basis.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

Later ML31 stay positive and enjoy!!!
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote: I'm not "mad". It is simply an unfortunate situation. I don't care what teams have what level of economic income. I am just looking for a situation where the teams that have the capability to spend the most have the best chances of competing on an annual basis. What is wrong with that?
BTW... There are plenty of A's games on TV. They just don't make nearly as much on their TV deal as even their cross bay NL counterparts do. All the marketing, winning and expensive players in the world won't change that.
Well if they keep winning and keeping the good and popular players you'll see what happens. You'll be surprised how quickly it changes
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote:
You can't spend what you DON'T HAVE. A previous owner of the Fish tried to spend spend spend. He lost a ton of money and sold the team. Why are you not understanding this?
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

Bottom line you have to support your team no matter what, when the stadium is packed the owners have no excuses not to give you a good product. No excuses not to pay the good players to stay. I'm out for the rest of the weekend enjoy the games nice chatting with you!
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote: There was a time when the Coliseum was sold out all the time. But only for an owner the fans liked. Why do I have to keep repeating this... The owner isn't over spending for players because he doesn't have the money to do it in the first place. It's the same reason you don't live in a 12 bedroom mansion. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
How many fans you think loved Stienbrenner? He was an ***hole. But the fans supported the team and because he loved winning more than anything, he fielded a good product for us and we supported them
New York Yankees 10/16/10

I'm not "mad". It is simply an unfortunate situation. I don't care what teams have what level of economic income. I am just looking for a situation where the teams that have the capability to spend the most have the best chances of competing on an annual basis. What is wrong with that?
BTW... There are plenty of A's games on TV. They just don't make nearly as much on their TV deal as even their cross bay NL counterparts do. All the marketing, winning and expensive players in the world won't change that.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
Again, I don't care what the players or owners make. I want to see a good competition. No one wants to watch a marathon where one runner gets a 7 mile head start.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote: There was a time when the Coliseum was sold out all the time. But only for an owner the fans liked. Why do I have to keep repeating this... The owner isn't over spending for players because he doesn't have the money to do it in the first place. It's the same reason you don't live in a 12 bedroom mansion. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
He has the money dude, the fans are not coming out so he is not motivated to spend it. He got his share of the TV revenue which was 100's of millions plus concessions plus what ever little gate receipts. Don't let them bullshit you into thinking they can't afford it. But the fans have to show their appreciation you are supporting your team you don't have to love the owner!
New York Yankees 10/16/10

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The economic imbalance. Personally, I don't care what the players make. They can all make $100 billion a season for all I care. So long as all teams have the means to fairly compete. Since all teams cannot compete on an economic level right now the answer is to create a system that will allow it. It will result in more money for all teams and happier fans. I do not see how this is a bad thing for anyone.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

wrote:
There was a time when the Coliseum was sold out all the time. But only for an owner the fans liked. Why do I have to keep repeating this... The owner isn't over spending for players because he doesn't have the money to do it in the first place. It's the same reason you don't live in a 12 bedroom mansion. Why is this so hard to comprehend?
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

Onegoodredhead- hit me up and lets chat?
New York Yankees 10/16/10

Ok good night all have fun tomorrow
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote: damn the rangers blew it! they didnt protect their lead. the yankees are very good in coming back and they should put that on their mind come game 2 tom.
If they put that on their minds they will be playing scared and you can't win nothing playing scared, They need to get amnesia and forget that game and come out for game 2 like it's the first game or they got no chance. And don't let the yanks get to Cliff Lee because that is their only hope of not getting swept
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote: You know I've been reading what you guys are saying and you are forgetting one thing... the average Joe Blow fan with 2 kids. The way things are now, he can't hardly afford to take the familiy to 10 games a year and it's sure not because he doesn't want to take them! They blacked out the last 2 Chargers games because they didn't sell enough home tickets. Some bars got the feed somehow and they are talking about fining them 10,000 bux for showing it. Meanwhile the cheapest ticket sold for $69 and that was in the nosebleed, you're lucky to see the field section. How does the regular fan afford that on a regular basis?
You are right about the affordability of the ticket prices I agree with you, but that wasn't the argument I was arguing about the haters because the Yankees pay their players to out on a good product. There is really not much we are going to be able to do about the prices have you seen the price of Gas or a loaf of bread, It cost $300 now to go to the supermarket for a weeks worth of groceries for family of 4
New York Yankees 10/16/10

damn the rangers blew it! they didnt protect their lead. the yankees are very good in coming back and they should put that on their mind come game 2 tom.
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

I dont know. 5-0 for seven innings, and in two innings, NY Takes over and dominates...Just go home Texas..Seriously..Gonna be another ring..You watch.. GO YANKS!!
10/16/10

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Texas Rangers 10/16/10

You know I've been reading what you guys are saying and you are forgetting one thing... the average Joe Blow fan with 2 kids. The way things are now, he can't hardly afford to take the familiy to 10 games a year and it's sure not because he doesn't want to take them! They blacked out the last 2 Chargers games because they didn't sell enough home tickets. Some bars got the feed somehow and they are talking about fining them 10,000 bux for showing it. Meanwhile the cheapest ticket sold for $69 and that was in the nosebleed, you're lucky to see the field section. How does the regular fan afford that on a regular basis?
Texas Rangers 10/16/10

Hey you see the box score O'Day came in and threw 1 pitch and he got the shaft by having to take the loss. Damn I feel for the man!
New York Yankees 10/16/10

It's a great formula and these guys complaining should be taking notes, if you can afford to go to the game take your ass to the game so you fill up the stadium, you motivate the players and the owners to do their best for you too
New York Yankees 10/16/10

wrote: Remember when all these new stadiums were popping all over, Seattle and this one and that one they had enough for that but not enough to keep what they got . Sure lovely stadium but who is playing worth to go to these stadiums. I don't want to go pay for a mlb ticket to watch scrub playing.. You mention Rays these were playoffs.. PLAYOFFS THAT TEAM WON THE EAST and still plenty of empty seats.. Rest assure every Yankee playoff year after year it is sold out people willing to pay 1000s for tickets
That's why the team can afford to pay millions for the players, so they have a great product. then when they sell out even the people that can't afford to pay thousands can see the game on TV so they become lifelong fans too
New York Yankees 10/16/10
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